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Edge Handcuff Speculation (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter LHUCKS
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Put on a 
once in a while.
ron dayne was garbage last year and people can't stop talking about him here...
True...he made the Barlow pick two years look genius.I would be curious to see how many gambled on JJ Arr. last year if they owned Barlow the year before. I was pretty snakebitten by Barlow last year and avoided Arrington in all my drafts.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Your posts are worthless. Some of us care. Now go away if the subject doesn't interest you.BTW, thanks for the tidbit LHUCKS.
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Couch Potato
Footballguy
This guy joined 8 days ago and he's already deciding what the dumbest posts of the week are.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Honestly, the handcuff to edge is worthless. Did anyone start JJ or Shipp last year? If Edge goes down ...... pray you have an Arizona WR.
+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2005 den | 10 | 53 270 5.1 1 | 3 17 5.7 0 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+NFL and fantasy factor?
CalBear
Footballguy
Is that why he's gone since 2002 (almost 500 touches) without a TD? Inside the 20 in 2005, Shipp had 27 carries for 29 yards and 3 receptions for 3 yards; Arrington had 20 carries for 44 yards and 2 TDs, and 3 receptions for 8 yards, which is not exactly impressive but it's a lot better than Shipp.Inside the 5 it was even worse; Shipp had 8 carries for -4 yards and 2 receptions for 2 yards.
CalBear
Footballguy
Arrington had more production and more TDs on fewer chances. In 2003, Shipp had zero TDs on 9 carries inside the 5. In 2004, Emmitt had 4 TDs on 11 carries inside the 5. In 2005, Shipp had zero TDs on 8 carries inside the 5, and Arrington had 1 TD on 3 carries inside the 5. That looks like a bad goal-line runner to me. Yes, the O-line stinks, but both Arrington and an aged and retiring Emmittt outperformed Shipp.
CalBear
Footballguy
I've watched games, too, and I haven't seen anything from Shipp. And when the stats show the following split since 2003 on carries inside the 5:Shipp: 17 carries, 0 TD, 2 receptions, 0 TD
All other Arizona RBs: 30 carries, 10 TDs, 7 receptions, 3 TDs.
I'm certainly going to need something other than your assertion. It's not like it's a close thing. How about a Shipp highlight reel on those 8 carries for -4 yards?
Defending Champs
Footballguy
Or ammusing
CalBear
Footballguy
I don't know anything about what's happening in camp, but I'd wager a Cal mini football against an Arizona mini basketball or something. We'd have to define "#2 job" somehow. (Well, the entire Arizona running game was a #2 job last season). #2 on the depth chart is not always equivalent to "person who will get the bulk of the carries if the #1 goes down," which is the handcuff argument.sorry no hilight reels handy. friendly wager on who wins the #2 job?
Defending Champs
Footballguy
I will say this once.
Go with Williams.
Go with Williams.
Red Apples
Footballguy
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Any RB who is a clear cut NFL starter should not be "worthless" in any FF league.
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Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
I agree with the scientist. So close to worthless it's not worth the discussion time. Kinda like "Who will be the Buffalo starting QB this year".
M
MLBrandow
Guest
You guys not named LHUCKS are all worthless, including those with "666" pinned to the back of their name.
Shipp is fantasy gold compared to Arrington. He has some potential, and can hit the hole (if it's ever open).
Edge will see a huge blow to his numbers for being in ARI to begin with, and as such, expecting a doubly exponential decay in numbers from Edge to Shipp seems off.
If Shipp were the unquestioned starter, he likely could push for 1000/7, and those are decent handcuff numbers.
Also, you have to figure if Edge went down, it would be later in the season likely, and so Shipp would have the fresh legs advantage to help mitigate some of the dropoff as well.
As such, I really don't feel like it would be worth a handcuff except in the deepest redraft leagues though, because otherwise he'll be available on the wire. I'd rather save a roster spot for a guy like Drew/Moore/Betts/Haynes/etc.
Shipp is fantasy gold compared to Arrington. He has some potential, and can hit the hole (if it's ever open).
Edge will see a huge blow to his numbers for being in ARI to begin with, and as such, expecting a doubly exponential decay in numbers from Edge to Shipp seems off.
If Shipp were the unquestioned starter, he likely could push for 1000/7, and those are decent handcuff numbers.
Also, you have to figure if Edge went down, it would be later in the season likely, and so Shipp would have the fresh legs advantage to help mitigate some of the dropoff as well.
As such, I really don't feel like it would be worth a handcuff except in the deepest redraft leagues though, because otherwise he'll be available on the wire. I'd rather save a roster spot for a guy like Drew/Moore/Betts/Haynes/etc.
CalBear
Footballguy
Shipp doesn't have 7 rushing TDs in his career--543 carries (two seasons' worth). He just came off a season where he had 157 carries (more than half a season's worth) and only managed 451 yards on 2.9 ypc. The last time he was the unquestioned starter, he had 830 yards and 0 TDs. 1000/7 for Shipp is crazy talk.
