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Here's hoping violence is minimized tomorrow/this am.
latest i've heard is bad weather - heavy/torrential rain probable for tomorrow. the test is if the military will fire on civilians (military heavy units deployed this evening). if they fire, s@#$, hits the fan. if they don't mubarak is toast.
From the US perspective of wanting stability in the region, shouldn't we be secretly hoping Mubarak is successful? It is highly likely whatever emerges will not be friendly towards the US. Egypt is a more moderate country, but when revolutions happen, it is not the moderate voices when carry the day.
dice roll... you feel lucky? israel is &@*%ing bricks. the US habit of supporting dictators is a heavy weight. suez canal? lets hope it is not another shah/iran situation.otoh, egypt has been sh^^ing on palastine for years (as have other arab states. no one wants a palistine state- they just like to talk about it to poke israel.). feel lucky???interesting times indeed...
 
:banned:Tunisia, Egypt, all these little mini-rebellions going on over there... who's next? We seeing the start of a wave of these?
They were also protesting in Yemen FWIW
In the last decade, there was the Rose Revolution in Georgia, the Orange Revolution in the Ukraine, Tulip in Kyrgyzstan, the Green Revolution in Iran, the Blue Revolution in Kuwait, Cornflower in Belarus and Saffron in Burma, the Cedar Revolution in Lebanon... now Yemen, Tunisia, Egypt... this is a part of the world that's always a bit unstable, but I don't think we've seen a series of citizen-led uprisings like this, one after another, before...Just curious if something bigger is on the close horizon...?
This won't stop until the world has run out of flowers and colors!!!! :scared: -QG
 
:rolleyes:Tunisia, Egypt, all these little mini-rebellions going on over there... who's next? We seeing the start of a wave of these?
They were also protesting in Yemen FWIW
In the last decade, there was the Rose Revolution in Georgia, the Orange Revolution in the Ukraine, Tulip in Kyrgyzstan, the Green Revolution in Iran, the Blue Revolution in Kuwait, Cornflower in Belarus and Saffron in Burma, the Cedar Revolution in Lebanon... now Yemen, Tunisia, Egypt... this is a part of the world that's always a bit unstable, but I don't think we've seen a series of citizen-led uprisings like this, one after another, before...Just curious if something bigger is on the close horizon...?
This won't stop until the world has run out of flowers and colors!!!! :bye: -QG
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: You know, for lawless, bloody, populists uprisings, they sure do get some purty names.
 
:lmao:Tunisia, Egypt, all these little mini-rebellions going on over there... who's next? We seeing the start of a wave of these?
They were also protesting in Yemen FWIW
In the last decade, there was the Rose Revolution in Georgia, the Orange Revolution in the Ukraine, Tulip in Kyrgyzstan, the Green Revolution in Iran, the Blue Revolution in Kuwait, Cornflower in Belarus and Saffron in Burma, the Cedar Revolution in Lebanon... now Yemen, Tunisia, Egypt... this is a part of the world that's always a bit unstable, but I don't think we've seen a series of citizen-led uprisings like this, one after another, before...Just curious if something bigger is on the close horizon...?
This won't stop until the world has run out of flowers and colors!!!! :lmao: -QG
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: You know, for lawless, bloody, populists uprisings, they sure do get some purty names.
Guess it's the "thing" to do with revolutions. Kinda like sticking -gate on the end of every scandal.-QG
 
6:29 am Associated Press news agency is reporting that China has blocked the word "Egypt" from the country's wildly popular Twitter-like service, while coverage of the political turmoil has been tightly restricted in state media.

 
6:29 am Associated Press news agency is reporting that China has blocked the word "Egypt" from the country's wildly popular Twitter-like service, while coverage of the political turmoil has been tightly restricted in state media.
China's government will be screwed if their people ever learn pig latin.-QG
 
According to CNN, some months ago Joe Biden said, "I would not consider President Mubarak to be a dictator." This comment has been repeated all over Egypt (and the Middle East.)

Nice going, Joe.

 
Here's hoping violence is minimized tomorrow/this am.
latest i've heard is bad weather - heavy/torrential rain probable for tomorrow. the test is if the military will fire on civilians (military heavy units deployed this evening). if they fire, s@#$, hits the fan. if they don't mubarak is toast.
From the US perspective of wanting stability in the region, shouldn't we be secretly hoping Mubarak is successful? It is highly likely whatever emerges will not be friendly towards the US. Egypt is a more moderate country, but when revolutions happen, it is not the moderate voices when carry the day.
I think that it's a faulty assumption to think that it's highly likely that whatever emerges will not be friendly to us. Anything can happen once the region is destabilized, but so far the protests appear to be secular in nature.
 
Here's hoping violence is minimized tomorrow/this am.
latest i've heard is bad weather - heavy/torrential rain probable for tomorrow. the test is if the military will fire on civilians (military heavy units deployed this evening). if they fire, s@#$, hits the fan. if they don't mubarak is toast.
From the US perspective of wanting stability in the region, shouldn't we be secretly hoping Mubarak is successful? It is highly likely whatever emerges will not be friendly towards the US. Egypt is a more moderate country, but when revolutions happen, it is not the moderate voices when carry the day.
I think that it's a faulty assumption to think that it's highly likely that whatever emerges will not be friendly to us. Anything can happen once the region is destabilized, but so far the protests appear to be secular in nature.
It's true that this could go a lot of ways, but I would think it unlikely that it goes in a way that is particularly good for us after we've been in bed with Mubarak for so long. Even so I'm always going to root for people to have freedom and democracy even if they are foreigners.
 
More Hannity:

When we have Republicans in power like Reagan and George W. Bush, we get more freedom around the world. But when Democrats are in power like Carter, Clinton and Obama, we get situations like this where the extremists take over. Is there a connection?
Now that the United States has removed the target from their back by moving away from the hamfisted hardline foreign policy of the last administration nations no longer have a boogeyman to placate the populace and must be held accountable for domestic policy. Now we see popular organic revolution around the Middle East. Is there a connection?
 
More Hannity:

When we have Republicans in power like Reagan and George W. Bush, we get more freedom around the world. But when Democrats are in power like Carter, Clinton and Obama, we get situations like this where the extremists take over. Is there a connection?
Now that the United States has removed the target from their back by moving away from the hamfisted hardline foreign policy of the last administration nations no longer have a boogeyman to placate the populace and must be held accountable for domestic policy. Now we see popular organic revolution around the Middle East. Is there a connection?
Obama's foreign policy isn't uniformly less hardline than Bush's. This administration has deliberately reached out to the muslim world and they have been marginally more critical of Israel than the previous one, but they have conversely taken a more robust approach towards Iran and North Korea than the last guys did.
 
According to CNN, some months ago Joe Biden said, "I would not consider President Mubarak to be a dictator." This comment has been repeated all over Egypt (and the Middle East.)Nice going, Joe.
Even if Joe did not say something stupid, the extremists would make up something or just go back further in history.
 
More Hannity:

When we have Republicans in power like Reagan and George W. Bush, we get more freedom around the world. But when Democrats are in power like Carter, Clinton and Obama, we get situations like this where the extremists take over. Is there a connection?
Now that the United States has removed the target from their back by moving away from the hamfisted hardline foreign policy of the last administration nations no longer have a boogeyman to placate the populace and must be held accountable for domestic policy. Now we see popular organic revolution around the Middle East. Is there a connection?
Very interesting observation.
 
More Hannity:

When we have Republicans in power like Reagan and George W. Bush, we get more freedom around the world. But when Democrats are in power like Carter, Clinton and Obama, we get situations like this where the extremists take over. Is there a connection?
Now that the United States has removed the target from their back by moving away from the hamfisted hardline foreign policy of the last administration nations no longer have a boogeyman to placate the populace and must be held accountable for domestic policy. Now we see popular organic revolution around the Middle East. Is there a connection?
Very interesting observation.
Not really. If you think for a moment that such subtleties are affecting popular uprisings you don't know much about foreign political cultures.

 
More Hannity:

When we have Republicans in power like Reagan and George W. Bush, we get more freedom around the world. But when Democrats are in power like Carter, Clinton and Obama, we get situations like this where the extremists take over. Is there a connection?
Now that the United States has removed the target from their back by moving away from the hamfisted hardline foreign policy of the last administration nations no longer have a boogeyman to placate the populace and must be held accountable for domestic policy. Now we see popular organic revolution around the Middle East. Is there a connection?
Obama's foreign policy isn't uniformly less hardline than Bush's. This administration has deliberately reached out to the muslim world and they have been marginally more critical of Israel than the previous one, but they have conversely taken a more robust approach towards Iran and North Korea than the last guys did.
We have Iran and Hamas winning thanks to the GOP hardline positions.

They considered bombing Iran's nuclear program but now we achieved more it seems with a computer worm.

WE need thoughtful plans not bullies. Attacking countries unifies them and rarely works.

 
More Hannity:

When we have Republicans in power like Reagan and George W. Bush, we get more freedom around the world. But when Democrats are in power like Carter, Clinton and Obama, we get situations like this where the extremists take over. Is there a connection?
Now that the United States has removed the target from their back by moving away from the hamfisted hardline foreign policy of the last administration nations no longer have a boogeyman to placate the populace and must be held accountable for domestic policy. Now we see popular organic revolution around the Middle East. Is there a connection?
Obama's foreign policy isn't uniformly less hardline than Bush's. This administration has deliberately reached out to the muslim world and they have been marginally more critical of Israel than the previous one, but they have conversely taken a more robust approach towards Iran and North Korea than the last guys did.
We have Iran and Hamas winning thanks to the GOP hardline positions.

They considered bombing Iran's nuclear program but now we achieved more it seems with a computer worm.

WE need thoughtful plans not bullies. Attacking countries unifies them and rarely works.
Would you all stop it? Never a moment wasted for both sides to start pointing the finger at the other over every situation in the World...as I said earlier in the thread it's not all about us.

Just grab some popcorn and a coke and watch the show.

 
More Hannity:

When we have Republicans in power like Reagan and George W. Bush, we get more freedom around the world. But when Democrats are in power like Carter, Clinton and Obama, we get situations like this where the extremists take over. Is there a connection?
Now that the United States has removed the target from their back by moving away from the hamfisted hardline foreign policy of the last administration nations no longer have a boogeyman to placate the populace and must be held accountable for domestic policy. Now we see popular organic revolution around the Middle East. Is there a connection?
Obama's foreign policy isn't uniformly less hardline than Bush's. This administration has deliberately reached out to the muslim world and they have been marginally more critical of Israel than the previous one, but they have conversely taken a more robust approach towards Iran and North Korea than the last guys did.
We have Iran and Hamas winning thanks to the GOP hardline positions.

They considered bombing Iran's nuclear program but now we achieved more it seems with a computer worm.

WE need thoughtful plans not bullies. Attacking countries unifies them and rarely works.
Would you all stop it? Never a moment wasted for both sides to start pointing the finger at the other over every situation in the World...as I said earlier in the thread it's not all about us.

Just grab some popcorn and a coke and watch the show.
Not pointing fingers, just saying that the current situation in Egypt and the ongoing movement in Tunisia have very little to do with US foreign policy (other than long term geopolitical conditions) and I hope it stays that way.
 
More Hannity:

When we have Republicans in power like Reagan and George W. Bush, we get more freedom around the world. But when Democrats are in power like Carter, Clinton and Obama, we get situations like this where the extremists take over. Is there a connection?
Now that the United States has removed the target from their back by moving away from the hamfisted hardline foreign policy of the last administration nations no longer have a boogeyman to placate the populace and must be held accountable for domestic policy. Now we see popular organic revolution around the Middle East. Is there a connection?
Obama's foreign policy isn't uniformly less hardline than Bush's. This administration has deliberately reached out to the muslim world and they have been marginally more critical of Israel than the previous one, but they have conversely taken a more robust approach towards Iran and North Korea than the last guys did.
We have Iran and Hamas winning thanks to the GOP hardline positions.

They considered bombing Iran's nuclear program but now we achieved more it seems with a computer worm.

WE need thoughtful plans not bullies. Attacking countries unifies them and rarely works.
Would you all stop it? Never a moment wasted for both sides to start pointing the finger at the other over every situation in the World...as I said earlier in the thread it's not all about us.

Just grab some popcorn and a coke and watch the show.
Thats what i plan on doing, i love watching the turmoil over in my favorite part of the world :rolleyes:
 
The King of Saudi Arabia has weighed in, calling the protestors "infiltrators", pledging his firm support to Mubarak, and proclaiming that "freedom of expression must not be allowed to interfere with security."

 
There's been a great amount of looting going on and now some fools have broken into the Antiquities Museum in Cairo- idiots. They could do permanent damage to some of the world's greatest treasures.

 
The King of Saudi Arabia has weighed in, calling the protestors "infiltrators", pledging his firm support to Mubarak, and proclaiming that "freedom of expression must not be allowed to interfere with security."
Yeah, coming from the guy who could be next in line for such a fall, that position makes sense.
 
The King of Saudi Arabia has weighed in, calling the protestors "infiltrators", pledging his firm support to Mubarak, and proclaiming that "freedom of expression must not be allowed to interfere with security."
Yeah, coming from the guy who could be next in line for such a fall, that position makes sense.
He probably won't be though, because if there is ever an uprising in Saudi Arabia, the United States would be forced to get involved, likely with troops. Let's hope it doesn't happen.
 
The King of Saudi Arabia has weighed in, calling the protestors "infiltrators", pledging his firm support to Mubarak, and proclaiming that "freedom of expression must not be allowed to interfere with security."
Hmmm, I wouldn't think this is what we would want to happen here.
 
They just put out these figures for Egypt on CNN:

90% Muslim

9% Coptic

1% Christian

Question for Christians here: isn't Coptic a sect of Christianity? Why are they separated out?

 
I think that we are going to see uprisings all over the planet. When people have no jobs or low paying jobs and then essentials become unaffordable, people get mad. I'm looking at you US.

You can only squeeze so tight for so long and then the heads get cut off.

 
I think that we are going to see uprisings all over the planet. When people have no jobs or low paying jobs and then essentials become unaffordable, people get mad. I'm looking at you US.You can only squeeze so tight for so long and then the heads get cut off.
What does this mean?
 
They just put out these figures for Egypt on CNN:

90% Muslim

9% Coptic

1% Christian

Question for Christians here: isn't Coptic a sect of Christianity? Why are they separated out?
They are Christian....
Prior to the “Great” East/West Schism of A.D. 1054, the Coptics were separated from the rest by the Council of Chalcedon in A.D. 451. The council met to discuss the Incarnation of Christ and declared that Christ was "one hypostasis in two natures" (i.e., one person who shares two distinct natures). This became standard orthodoxy for Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Protestant churches from then on. The Coptic understanding is that Christ is one nature from two natures: "the Logos Incarnate." In this understanding, Christ is from, not in, two natures: full humanity and full divinity. Some in the Coptic Orthodox Church believe that their position was misunderstood at the Council of Chalcedon and take great pains to ensure that they are not seen as Monophysitic (denying the two natures of Christ), but rather "Miaphysitic" (believing in one composite/conjoined nature from two). Some believe that perhaps the council understood the church correctly, but wanted to exile the church for its refusal to take part in politics or due to the rivalry between the bishops of Alexandria and Rome. To this day, 95 percent of Christians in Alexandria are members of the Coptic Orthodox Church.
 
I think that we are going to see uprisings all over the planet. When people have no jobs or low paying jobs and then essentials become unaffordable, people get mad. I'm looking at you US.You can only squeeze so tight for so long and then the heads get cut off.
What does this mean?
It means that if ever the poor people in the US see that their right to have HDTV and iPhones is challenged, they will revolt with pitchforks and lanterns.
 
Sean Hannity just now: "Seems to me that the Muslim Brotherhood has completely taken this over."

That is really an irresponsible thing for him to say. It's a very irresponsible network anyhow, as we all know, but this is really bad.
You've been pretty much saying the exact same thing for days until DD came in and stated otherwise. Pretty hypocritical to bash Hannity for basically agreeing with you.
 
Britain's Daily Telegraph is indicating that leaked documents show that the US has been supporting the dissidents.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...d-uprising.html
This is not getting enough love. So the uprising was "sponsored" by the last administration, but has been "sanctioned" by the current? Or am I reading that wrong? Regardless, it reads like a chapter in a CIA spy novel. Very interesting to me.
Well, Great Britain's newspapers make the Enquirer look like the a reputable scientific journal. They're apt to run all sorts of stuff that ends up being total garbage. The Telegraph is a little better than some, but still prone to running just about anything as long as it will guarantee lots of attention.
 
Sean Hannity just now: "Seems to me that the Muslim Brotherhood has completely taken this over."

That is really an irresponsible thing for him to say. It's a very irresponsible network anyhow, as we all know, but this is really bad.
You've been pretty much saying the exact same thing for days until DD came in and stated otherwise. Pretty hypocritical to bash Hannity for basically agreeing with you.
You're wrong on three counts. First off, my comments about the Muslim Brotherhoods was a response to Dr. Detroit, not the other way around: go back and look.Second, I stated my fears that once the revolution had taken place, the Muslim Brotherhood as the only organized group would be in a good position to take over. I am still fearful of this. I NEVER stated that the Muslim Brotherhood were currently in control of the uprising. That would be ignorant to the extreme. I don't agree with Hannity over this.

Third, I am a nobody on a football internet site. Sean Hannity is watched by millions of people, both here and around the world. To equate our statements, and the responsibilties that go with them, is absurd.

 
Tim, you keep saying Fox is watched by people around the world. Do people from other countries really tune into this channel for insight, or are you just referring to Americans that might be abroad or something llike that? I would be very disappointed if foreigners were watching any of our major cable news networks.

 
Hannity is speculating based upon his fears. It is irresponsible to state it as it fact, but it is a legitimate concern. But really, it is just Hannity. Nobody cares what he says.

 
Tim, you keep saying Fox is watched by people around the world. Do people from other countries really tune into this channel for insight, or are you just referring to Americans that might be abroad or something llike that? I would be very disappointed if foreigners were watching any of our major cable news networks.
I had a friend travel to Rome recently, a family member travel to Columbia, another to China, another to Turkey, and I myself was just in Costa Rica. All of them matched my own experience- Fox News is everywhere. CNN is in most places, but not everywhere- Fox News is everywhere.
 
Hannity is speculating based upon his fears. It is irresponsible to state it as it fact, but it is a legitimate concern. But really, it is just Hannity. Nobody cares what he says.
It is not, IMO, as dangerous as Biden's ridiculous statement. But it's still dangerous and irresponsible.
 
Saw some sympathy protests in Lebanon. Unfortunately these had a decidedly anti-American feel that the ones in Egypt don't have so far. There were cartoons being held up of Mubarak with a Star of David on his forehead, Mubarak waiving an American flag, Mubarak getting a bag with a dollar sign from Uncle Sam. Bad news.

 
Tim, you keep saying Fox is watched by people around the world. Do people from other countries really tune into this channel for insight, or are you just referring to Americans that might be abroad or something llike that? I would be very disappointed if foreigners were watching any of our major cable news networks.
Canada Rejected Fox news for years....it was only allowed to be broadcast here for the first time in 2010.I would say, around the world, the #1 news source is BBC. It's been in all 40 countries I have been to.
 
Tim, you keep saying Fox is watched by people around the world. Do people from other countries really tune into this channel for insight, or are you just referring to Americans that might be abroad or something llike that? I would be very disappointed if foreigners were watching any of our major cable news networks.
Canada Rejected Fox news for years....it was only allowed to be broadcast here for the first time in 2010.
you guys reject our football so thats not saying much
 
Saw some sympathy protests in Lebanon. Unfortunately these had a decidedly anti-American feel that the ones in Egypt don't have so far. There were cartoons being held up of Mubarak with a Star of David on his forehead, Mubarak waiving an American flag, Mubarak getting a bag with a dollar sign from Uncle Sam. Bad news.
The cartoon is pretty accurate. The US gives the corrupt Mubarak $1.3 Billion every year.
 
Tim, you keep saying Fox is watched by people around the world. Do people from other countries really tune into this channel for insight, or are you just referring to Americans that might be abroad or something llike that? I would be very disappointed if foreigners were watching any of our major cable news networks.
Canada Rejected Fox news for years....it was only allowed to be broadcast here for the first time in 2010.
you guys reject our football so thats not saying much
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Tim, you keep saying Fox is watched by people around the world. Do people from other countries really tune into this channel for insight, or are you just referring to Americans that might be abroad or something llike that? I would be very disappointed if foreigners were watching any of our major cable news networks.
Canada Rejected Fox news for years....it was only allowed to be broadcast here for the first time in 2010.
you guys reject our football so thats not saying much
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Get to the hexagonal round (or I guess now the final-8) in qualifying and we'll talk. -QG

 
Tim, you keep saying Fox is watched by people around the world. Do people from other countries really tune into this channel for insight, or are you just referring to Americans that might be abroad or something llike that? I would be very disappointed if foreigners were watching any of our major cable news networks.
I had a friend travel to Rome recently, a family member travel to Columbia, another to China, another to Turkey, and I myself was just in Costa Rica. All of them matched my own experience- Fox News is everywhere. CNN is in most places, but not everywhere- Fox News is everywhere.
I lived overseas for 15 years and never saw Fox once unless it was on AFN.CNN International on the other hand is on every hotel TV in Europe, Africa and the Middle East. I guess everything changed in the past two years as we now only see Fox and CNN is hard to find.
 

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