Electric Cars (Tesla and Others) (3 Viewers)

[fatness]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/07/07/musk-trump-feud-tesla-stock/

Longtime supporters of Tesla appealed to the company’s board Monday to pull CEO Elon Musk’s attention back to the embattled electric vehicle company, as the entrepreneur appeared to renege on an April pledge to spend more time at the company by saying he would start a new political party. “The board can’t just sit here and watch this go by without saying something and putting guardrails in,” said Dan Ives, managing director of Wedbush Securities, who has consistently expressed a bullish outlook on Tesla and Musk’s leadership. “I’m hearing from many shareholders that the frustration is hitting a tipping point.”

archived article if you hit a paywall: https://archive.ph/nCiWz#selection-683.0-757.132

 

[Bob Sacamano]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/07/07/musk-trump-feud-tesla-stock/

Longtime supporters of Tesla appealed to the company’s board Monday to pull CEO Elon Musk’s attention back to the embattled electric vehicle company, as the entrepreneur appeared to renege on an April pledge to spend more time at the company by saying he would start a new political party. “The board can’t just sit here and watch this go by without saying something and putting guardrails in,” said Dan Ives, managing director of Wedbush Securities, who has consistently expressed a bullish outlook on Tesla and Musk’s leadership. “I’m hearing from many shareholders that the frustration is hitting a tipping point.”

archived article if you hit a paywall: https://archive.ph/nCiWz#selection-683.0-757.132

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1942613724017352971

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Tesla Is Cooked. And It's All Xiaomi’s Fault​

https://insideevs.com/reviews/764315/xiaomi-yu7-first-drive-china/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=9KTXcCDYq2MTGVmRyXwCMjzsnLzQ7JbF9ywFQ_9jyiE.VCGm8F

Yup. I didn't want to reply to jvd's hit pieces above but China is making great cars for the money and every manufacturer knows it. Ford CEO imported the SU7 and didn't want to give it up. It's only allowed here for 6 months, I think. Anyway, Mercedes, Audi, BMW, Volvo, the Koreans, Ford, etc etc., all are leveraging advanced Chinese auto tech and opening joint projects in China.

The BYD Shark is the best ev truck on the market dollar for dollar. Priced less than a Lightning, close to a Rivian in quality and features. I would have purchased a Chinese MPV by now if I could. They're pretty amazing for the money and I'd still like a mini-van, just nothing available here. They are all over Tijuana.

I’m not sure why you would categorize them as “hit pieces”. The gentleman that put out the first piece has worked for several technology companies in China for over a decade and is aware of the business practices that go on there. The fact that there are fields of over-produced low quality cars sitting all across the country is a fact. The dynamic that they made those vehicles not only to take advantage of subsidies—but to create fraudulent sales data as a means of getting more and more investment both foreign and domestic is also true. Manufacturing in China is not done in an environmentally friendly way under any circumstance—-that is just a fact. There is a reason why a lot of companies from around the world go there—and it’s not just because of cheap slave labor. It’s also because of far more relaxed regulations when it comes to the environmental stuff. The economics of BYD and a lot of the other Chinese EV companies is not a “hit piece”—-thats data—and the data from China tends to underestimate concerns (not overestimate them). A lot of suppliers of parts for these vehicles are not getting paid and will slowly go under—which will make long term maintenance and availability of parts very questionable. The fact that Brazil sued BYD for putting workers in its factory in slave-like conditions is not a “hit-piece”—its real data. If the conditions were so bad in Brazil that they took action—how do you think the conditions are for the workers in mainland China—where nobody will take action for them? I understand that a lot of you love the idea of vehicles that look good, that seem solid on paper, for a price that is a fraction of the competition to just exist magically and without any negative consequences—but that is just not reality. If something seems too good to be true—-there is almost always a reason. Let’s just say that I’m happy to sit back and wait for 5-7 years and see how these Chinese EV’s treat their buyers over time. My prediction is that they will end up being almost disposable.

If you purchase a Chinese EV , the best case scenario is that you are supporting an authoritarian communist regime that actively looks away from child labor, slave labor, that actively enslaves or disappears Uyghur Muslims effectively manipulating global markets by using these atrocities to give their companies a competitive advantage to destroy other automakers from around the world. Don’t get me wrong—I own stuff that is made in China—I am not denying a certain level of hypocrisy. I don’t feel good about those items. However, a vehicle is one of the biggest and most expensive purchases that one makes (you rely on them for the safety of you, your family, your friends)—and perpetuating this Ponzi scheme that is designed to destroy automakers that actually have to make an attempt to play by safety regulations and labor conditions.

Are we sure this is the extent of our hypocrisy? I mean, if we're comparing them to the largest US EV manufacturer, it might be less apples and oranges and more gala apples and cosmic crisp apples.

There is a lot to dissect here—but I will say this. When the United States creates products in other countries—both sides benefit from it. The size of China’s middle class growing was largely correlated to foreign investments from international companies like Apple, Tesla, Starbucks and others creating jobs there and putting more money into circulation in their markets. Apple didn’t undersell cell phones in China in order to destroy other Chinese cell phone brands. If you look at the Chinese car companies—many just copied the style and designs of other established brands—and they are using their corrupt government incentives to try to destroy other automobile manufacturers around the world. They are trying to destroy the jobs/companies of their trading partners as opposed to creating a situation where both sides benefit from the relationship. That doesn’t mean that our hands are completely clean of hypocrisy—but I do think there is a substantial difference between how each country handles things. In modern times, I can’t think of a time when a US company copied a Chinese innovation—cut corners to make it cheaper—gave corrupt government incentives to actively go and erode/destroy the Chinese companies that created that product (and consequently force Chinese citizens to lose jobs and suffer even more).

 

[the moops]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/07/07/musk-trump-feud-tesla-stock/

Longtime supporters of Tesla appealed to the company’s board Monday to pull CEO Elon Musk’s attention back to the embattled electric vehicle company, as the entrepreneur appeared to renege on an April pledge to spend more time at the company by saying he would start a new political party. “The board can’t just sit here and watch this go by without saying something and putting guardrails in,” said Dan Ives, managing director of Wedbush Securities, who has consistently expressed a bullish outlook on Tesla and Musk’s leadership. “I’m hearing from many shareholders that the frustration is hitting a tipping point.”

archived article if you hit a paywall: https://archive.ph/nCiWz#selection-683.0-757.132

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1942613724017352971

He is such a child. Geez

 

[fatness]

Tesla’s Autopilot system is in the spotlight at a Miami trial over a student killed while stargazing

A rare trial against Elon Musk’s car company began Monday in Miami where a jury will decide if it is partly to blame for the death of a stargazing university student after a runaway Tesla sent her flying 75 feet through the air and severely injured her boyfriend. Lawyers for the plaintiff argue that Tesla’s driver-assistance feature called Autopilot should have warned the driver and braked when his Model S sedan blew through flashing red lights, a stop sign and a T-intersection at nearly 70 miles an hour in the April 2019 crash. Tesla lays the blame solely on the driver, who was reaching for a dropped cell phone.

The driver, George McGee, was sued separately by the plaintiffs. That case was settled.

 

[Tick]

Tesla’s Autopilot system is in the spotlight at a Miami trial over a student killed while stargazing

A rare trial against Elon Musk’s car company began Monday in Miami where a jury will decide if it is partly to blame for the death of a stargazing university student after a runaway Tesla sent her flying 75 feet through the air and severely injured her boyfriend. Lawyers for the plaintiff argue that Tesla’s driver-assistance feature called Autopilot should have warned the driver and braked when his Model S sedan blew through flashing red lights, a stop sign and a T-intersection at nearly 70 miles an hour in the April 2019 crash. Tesla lays the blame solely on the driver, who was reaching for a dropped cell phone.

The driver, George McGee, was sued separately by the plaintiffs. That case was settled.

Weird that this movie predates that.

Another Earth - Wikipedia

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[culdeus]

Tesla’s Autopilot system is in the spotlight at a Miami trial over a student killed while stargazing

A rare trial against Elon Musk’s car company began Monday in Miami where a jury will decide if it is partly to blame for the death of a stargazing university student after a runaway Tesla sent her flying 75 feet through the air and severely injured her boyfriend. Lawyers for the plaintiff argue that Tesla’s driver-assistance feature called Autopilot should have warned the driver and braked when his Model S sedan blew through flashing red lights, a stop sign and a T-intersection at nearly 70 miles an hour in the April 2019 crash. Tesla lays the blame solely on the driver, who was reaching for a dropped cell phone.

The driver, George McGee, was sued separately by the plaintiffs. That case was settled.

Autopilot is just a cruise control that lane follows it hasn't ever stopped for red lights, just like basically every other car out there. This is no different than just running a red light and plowing someone over.