Electric Cars (Tesla and Others) (2 Viewers)

[fatness]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/07/07/musk-trump-feud-tesla-stock/

Longtime supporters of Tesla appealed to the company’s board Monday to pull CEO Elon Musk’s attention back to the embattled electric vehicle company, as the entrepreneur appeared to renege on an April pledge to spend more time at the company by saying he would start a new political party. “The board can’t just sit here and watch this go by without saying something and putting guardrails in,” said Dan Ives, managing director of Wedbush Securities, who has consistently expressed a bullish outlook on Tesla and Musk’s leadership. “I’m hearing from many shareholders that the frustration is hitting a tipping point.”

archived article if you hit a paywall: https://archive.ph/nCiWz#selection-683.0-757.132

 

[Bob Sacamano]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/07/07/musk-trump-feud-tesla-stock/

Longtime supporters of Tesla appealed to the company’s board Monday to pull CEO Elon Musk’s attention back to the embattled electric vehicle company, as the entrepreneur appeared to renege on an April pledge to spend more time at the company by saying he would start a new political party. “The board can’t just sit here and watch this go by without saying something and putting guardrails in,” said Dan Ives, managing director of Wedbush Securities, who has consistently expressed a bullish outlook on Tesla and Musk’s leadership. “I’m hearing from many shareholders that the frustration is hitting a tipping point.”

archived article if you hit a paywall: https://archive.ph/nCiWz#selection-683.0-757.132

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1942613724017352971

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Tesla Is Cooked. And It's All Xiaomi’s Fault​

Tesla Is Cooked. And It's All Xiaomi’s Fault

We drove the Xiaomi YU7 during a last-minute trip around the world. It's China’s greatest Tesla Model Y fighter yet, and proves just how far behind the U.S. market is.

insideevs.com

Yup. I didn't want to reply to jvd's hit pieces above but China is making great cars for the money and every manufacturer knows it. Ford CEO imported the SU7 and didn't want to give it up. It's only allowed here for 6 months, I think. Anyway, Mercedes, Audi, BMW, Volvo, the Koreans, Ford, etc etc., all are leveraging advanced Chinese auto tech and opening joint projects in China.

The BYD Shark is the best ev truck on the market dollar for dollar. Priced less than a Lightning, close to a Rivian in quality and features. I would have purchased a Chinese MPV by now if I could. They're pretty amazing for the money and I'd still like a mini-van, just nothing available here. They are all over Tijuana.

I’m not sure why you would categorize them as “hit pieces”. The gentleman that put out the first piece has worked for several technology companies in China for over a decade and is aware of the business practices that go on there. The fact that there are fields of over-produced low quality cars sitting all across the country is a fact. The dynamic that they made those vehicles not only to take advantage of subsidies—but to create fraudulent sales data as a means of getting more and more investment both foreign and domestic is also true. Manufacturing in China is not done in an environmentally friendly way under any circumstance—-that is just a fact. There is a reason why a lot of companies from around the world go there—and it’s not just because of cheap slave labor. It’s also because of far more relaxed regulations when it comes to the environmental stuff. The economics of BYD and a lot of the other Chinese EV companies is not a “hit piece”—-thats data—and the data from China tends to underestimate concerns (not overestimate them). A lot of suppliers of parts for these vehicles are not getting paid and will slowly go under—which will make long term maintenance and availability of parts very questionable. The fact that Brazil sued BYD for putting workers in its factory in slave-like conditions is not a “hit-piece”—its real data. If the conditions were so bad in Brazil that they took action—how do you think the conditions are for the workers in mainland China—where nobody will take action for them? I understand that a lot of you love the idea of vehicles that look good, that seem solid on paper, for a price that is a fraction of the competition to just exist magically and without any negative consequences—but that is just not reality. If something seems too good to be true—-there is almost always a reason. Let’s just say that I’m happy to sit back and wait for 5-7 years and see how these Chinese EV’s treat their buyers over time. My prediction is that they will end up being almost disposable.

If you purchase a Chinese EV , the best case scenario is that you are supporting an authoritarian communist regime that actively looks away from child labor, slave labor, that actively enslaves or disappears Uyghur Muslims effectively manipulating global markets by using these atrocities to give their companies a competitive advantage to destroy other automakers from around the world. Don’t get me wrong—I own stuff that is made in China—I am not denying a certain level of hypocrisy. I don’t feel good about those items. However, a vehicle is one of the biggest and most expensive purchases that one makes (you rely on them for the safety of you, your family, your friends)—and perpetuating this Ponzi scheme that is designed to destroy automakers that actually have to make an attempt to play by safety regulations and labor conditions.

Are we sure this is the extent of our hypocrisy? I mean, if we're comparing them to the largest US EV manufacturer, it might be less apples and oranges and more gala apples and cosmic crisp apples.

There is a lot to dissect here—but I will say this. When the United States creates products in other countries—both sides benefit from it. The size of China’s middle class growing was largely correlated to foreign investments from international companies like Apple, Tesla, Starbucks and others creating jobs there and putting more money into circulation in their markets. Apple didn’t undersell cell phones in China in order to destroy other Chinese cell phone brands. If you look at the Chinese car companies—many just copied the style and designs of other established brands—and they are using their corrupt government incentives to try to destroy other automobile manufacturers around the world. They are trying to destroy the jobs/companies of their trading partners as opposed to creating a situation where both sides benefit from the relationship. That doesn’t mean that our hands are completely clean of hypocrisy—but I do think there is a substantial difference between how each country handles things. In modern times, I can’t think of a time when a US company copied a Chinese innovation—cut corners to make it cheaper—gave corrupt government incentives to actively go and erode/destroy the Chinese companies that created that product (and consequently force Chinese citizens to lose jobs and suffer even more).

 

[the moops]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/07/07/musk-trump-feud-tesla-stock/

Longtime supporters of Tesla appealed to the company’s board Monday to pull CEO Elon Musk’s attention back to the embattled electric vehicle company, as the entrepreneur appeared to renege on an April pledge to spend more time at the company by saying he would start a new political party. “The board can’t just sit here and watch this go by without saying something and putting guardrails in,” said Dan Ives, managing director of Wedbush Securities, who has consistently expressed a bullish outlook on Tesla and Musk’s leadership. “I’m hearing from many shareholders that the frustration is hitting a tipping point.”

archived article if you hit a paywall: https://archive.ph/nCiWz#selection-683.0-757.132

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1942613724017352971

He is such a child. Geez

 

[fatness]

Tesla’s Autopilot system is in the spotlight at a Miami trial over a student killed while stargazing

A rare trial against Elon Musk’s car company began Monday in Miami where a jury will decide if it is partly to blame for the death of a stargazing university student after a runaway Tesla sent her flying 75 feet through the air and severely injured her boyfriend. Lawyers for the plaintiff argue that Tesla’s driver-assistance feature called Autopilot should have warned the driver and braked when his Model S sedan blew through flashing red lights, a stop sign and a T-intersection at nearly 70 miles an hour in the April 2019 crash. Tesla lays the blame solely on the driver, who was reaching for a dropped cell phone.

The driver, George McGee, was sued separately by the plaintiffs. That case was settled.

 

[Tick]

Tesla’s Autopilot system is in the spotlight at a Miami trial over a student killed while stargazing

A rare trial against Elon Musk’s car company began Monday in Miami where a jury will decide if it is partly to blame for the death of a stargazing university student after a runaway Tesla sent her flying 75 feet through the air and severely injured her boyfriend. Lawyers for the plaintiff argue that Tesla’s driver-assistance feature called Autopilot should have warned the driver and braked when his Model S sedan blew through flashing red lights, a stop sign and a T-intersection at nearly 70 miles an hour in the April 2019 crash. Tesla lays the blame solely on the driver, who was reaching for a dropped cell phone.

The driver, George McGee, was sued separately by the plaintiffs. That case was settled.

Weird that this movie predates that.

Another Earth - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[culdeus]

Tesla’s Autopilot system is in the spotlight at a Miami trial over a student killed while stargazing

A rare trial against Elon Musk’s car company began Monday in Miami where a jury will decide if it is partly to blame for the death of a stargazing university student after a runaway Tesla sent her flying 75 feet through the air and severely injured her boyfriend. Lawyers for the plaintiff argue that Tesla’s driver-assistance feature called Autopilot should have warned the driver and braked when his Model S sedan blew through flashing red lights, a stop sign and a T-intersection at nearly 70 miles an hour in the April 2019 crash. Tesla lays the blame solely on the driver, who was reaching for a dropped cell phone.

The driver, George McGee, was sued separately by the plaintiffs. That case was settled.

Autopilot is just a cruise control that lane follows it hasn't ever stopped for red lights, just like basically every other car out there. This is no different than just running a red light and plowing someone over.

 

[Psychopav]

So this just happened...

I was driving from my home in DFW to College Station to take my kid on a college visit to A&M. We stopped to charge up about halfway there at an Electrify America station just outside of Waco, which I have used a couple times before. This was the first time that all of the charging stations were in use when I got there, but that's part of the deal I guess. No biggie, I can wait. There was one other car already waiting when I pulled in. Two more cars pulled in also waiting when it was finally my turn next. Just before the dude on the end unplugged, this Karen pulls up in her EV and starts acting weird...driving slow past all the bays, then back on in to a spot across the stations right next to me. So she's facing the charging stations while I have my back to them (I will have to back in). The guy on the end unplugs and pulls out. And before I even have time to put my car in reverse, Karen sprints forward and take the spot. Naturally I lay on the horn and then back right next to her. I roll down my window and say hey there are 3 other cars waiting. We've been here for over half an hour. You're fourth in line! She doesn't even pause to talk to me, just proceeds to plug in as she says "I didn't see any line."

What would you do? What would MOP do?

@Ministry of Pain ?

 

[Dezbelief]

So this just happened...

I was driving from my home in DFW to College Station to take my kid on a college visit to A&M. We stopped to charge up about halfway there at an Electrify America station just outside of Waco, which I have used a couple times before. This was the first time that all of the charging stations were in use when I got there, but that's part of the deal I guess. No biggie, I can wait. There was one other car already waiting when I pulled in. Two more cars pulled in also waiting when it was finally my turn next. Just before the dude on the end unplugged, this Karen pulls up in her EV and starts acting weird...driving slow past all the bays, then back on in to a spot across the stations right next to me. So she's facing the charging stations while I have my back to them (I will have to back in). The guy on the end unplugs and pulls out. And before I even have time to put my car in reverse, Karen sprints forward and take the spot. Naturally I lay on the horn and then back right next to her. I roll down my window and say hey there are 3 other cars waiting. We've been here for over half an hour. You're fourth in line! She doesn't even pause to talk to me, just proceeds to plug in as she says "I didn't see any line."

What would you do? What would MOP do?

@Ministry of Pain ?

I would unplug her.

 

[fruity pebbles]

So this just happened...

I was driving from my home in DFW to College Station to take my kid on a college visit to A&M. We stopped to charge up about halfway there at an Electrify America station just outside of Waco, which I have used a couple times before. This was the first time that all of the charging stations were in use when I got there, but that's part of the deal I guess. No biggie, I can wait. There was one other car already waiting when I pulled in. Two more cars pulled in also waiting when it was finally my turn next. Just before the dude on the end unplugged, this Karen pulls up in her EV and starts acting weird...driving slow past all the bays, then back on in to a spot across the stations right next to me. So she's facing the charging stations while I have my back to them (I will have to back in). The guy on the end unplugs and pulls out. And before I even have time to put my car in reverse, Karen sprints forward and take the spot. Naturally I lay on the horn and then back right next to her. I roll down my window and say hey there are 3 other cars waiting. We've been here for over half an hour. You're fourth in line! She doesn't even pause to talk to me, just proceeds to plug in as she says "I didn't see any line."

What would you do? What would MOP do?

@Ministry of Pain ?

That’s a tough one cause it’s a woman. You can’t get physical or even threatening so what really are you going to do without risking a lot for a little. What did you end up doing?

 

[fruity pebbles]

So this just happened...

I was driving from my home in DFW to College Station to take my kid on a college visit to A&M. We stopped to charge up about halfway there at an Electrify America station just outside of Waco, which I have used a couple times before. This was the first time that all of the charging stations were in use when I got there, but that's part of the deal I guess. No biggie, I can wait. There was one other car already waiting when I pulled in. Two more cars pulled in also waiting when it was finally my turn next. Just before the dude on the end unplugged, this Karen pulls up in her EV and starts acting weird...driving slow past all the bays, then back on in to a spot across the stations right next to me. So she's facing the charging stations while I have my back to them (I will have to back in). The guy on the end unplugs and pulls out. And before I even have time to put my car in reverse, Karen sprints forward and take the spot. Naturally I lay on the horn and then back right next to her. I roll down my window and say hey there are 3 other cars waiting. We've been here for over half an hour. You're fourth in line! She doesn't even pause to talk to me, just proceeds to plug in as she says "I didn't see any line."

What would you do? What would MOP do?

@Ministry of Pain ?

I would unplug her.

And then she plugs it back in and says don’t touch my car. What’s the next step?

 

[Terminalxylem]

Depends how much time I had. I might try to enlist other people waiting in line to strengthen your case, just in case she believes you’re FOS.

 

[Terminalxylem]

So this just happened...

I was driving from my home in DFW to College Station to take my kid on a college visit to A&M. We stopped to charge up about halfway there at an Electrify America station just outside of Waco, which I have used a couple times before. This was the first time that all of the charging stations were in use when I got there, but that's part of the deal I guess. No biggie, I can wait. There was one other car already waiting when I pulled in. Two more cars pulled in also waiting when it was finally my turn next. Just before the dude on the end unplugged, this Karen pulls up in her EV and starts acting weird...driving slow past all the bays, then back on in to a spot across the stations right next to me. So she's facing the charging stations while I have my back to them (I will have to back in). The guy on the end unplugs and pulls out. And before I even have time to put my car in reverse, Karen sprints forward and take the spot. Naturally I lay on the horn and then back right next to her. I roll down my window and say hey there are 3 other cars waiting. We've been here for over half an hour. You're fourth in line! She doesn't even pause to talk to me, just proceeds to plug in as she says "I didn't see any line."

What would you do? What would MOP do?

@Ministry of Pain ?

That’s a tough one cause it’s a woman. You can’t get physical or even threatening so what really are you going to do without risking a lot for a little. What did you end up doing?

What would he be risking?

If the cops were called, do you think they’d side with her, versus the line?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Sleep with her wife.

 

[Psychopav]

I did have my soon-to-be senior with me, and there really wasn't anything I could legally do, technically. I told her she was very rude and another spot opened up immediately (although it was the 150 vs. the 350 kwh spots). At the end of the day I will leave it up to her conscience to deal with it. She wasn't very smart though. As we were leaving about 25 minutes later, she left her vehicle unattended. Both of the others who she line-jumped were also still there. Any one of us could have let the air out of her tires and cost her at least as much time as she had stolen from us, if not more. People like that in my experience aren't happy people.

 

[Psychopav]

So this just happened...

I was driving from my home in DFW to College Station to take my kid on a college visit to A&M. We stopped to charge up about halfway there at an Electrify America station just outside of Waco, which I have used a couple times before. This was the first time that all of the charging stations were in use when I got there, but that's part of the deal I guess. No biggie, I can wait. There was one other car already waiting when I pulled in. Two more cars pulled in also waiting when it was finally my turn next. Just before the dude on the end unplugged, this Karen pulls up in her EV and starts acting weird...driving slow past all the bays, then back on in to a spot across the stations right next to me. So she's facing the charging stations while I have my back to them (I will have to back in). The guy on the end unplugs and pulls out. And before I even have time to put my car in reverse, Karen sprints forward and take the spot. Naturally I lay on the horn and then back right next to her. I roll down my window and say hey there are 3 other cars waiting. We've been here for over half an hour. You're fourth in line! She doesn't even pause to talk to me, just proceeds to plug in as she says "I didn't see any line."

What would you do? What would MOP do?

@Ministry of Pain ?

That’s a tough one cause it’s a woman. You can’t get physical or even threatening so what really are you going to do without risking a lot for a little. What did you end up doing?

What would he be risking?

If the cops were called, do you think they’d side with her, versus the line?

I also considered blocking her in but that would have cost me even more time. I could certainly have blocked her in until the police showed up and made me move, I figured. I watch a lot of first amendment auditors and cop cams on Youtube and I know I don't want to be on the wrong side of some of those confrontations.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

So this just happened...

I was driving from my home in DFW to College Station to take my kid on a college visit to A&M. We stopped to charge up about halfway there at an Electrify America station just outside of Waco, which I have used a couple times before. This was the first time that all of the charging stations were in use when I got there, but that's part of the deal I guess. No biggie, I can wait. There was one other car already waiting when I pulled in. Two more cars pulled in also waiting when it was finally my turn next. Just before the dude on the end unplugged, this Karen pulls up in her EV and starts acting weird...driving slow past all the bays, then back on in to a spot across the stations right next to me. So she's facing the charging stations while I have my back to them (I will have to back in). The guy on the end unplugs and pulls out. And before I even have time to put my car in reverse, Karen sprints forward and take the spot. Naturally I lay on the horn and then back right next to her. I roll down my window and say hey there are 3 other cars waiting. We've been here for over half an hour. You're fourth in line! She doesn't even pause to talk to me, just proceeds to plug in as she says "I didn't see any line."

What would you do? What would MOP do?

@Ministry of Pain ?

Start filming her, the car, license plate and tell her you are putting it up on every social media platform
Likely won't have any impact on her
I've had people try to steal my gas pump a couple times when I'm trying to fuel up but usually I either get my way or just jump across the street to the next gas pump if I don't want confrontation

-I can understand your frustration and anger, not sure what would come flying out of my mouth

 

[Psychopav]

So this just happened...

I was driving from my home in DFW to College Station to take my kid on a college visit to A&M. We stopped to charge up about halfway there at an Electrify America station just outside of Waco, which I have used a couple times before. This was the first time that all of the charging stations were in use when I got there, but that's part of the deal I guess. No biggie, I can wait. There was one other car already waiting when I pulled in. Two more cars pulled in also waiting when it was finally my turn next. Just before the dude on the end unplugged, this Karen pulls up in her EV and starts acting weird...driving slow past all the bays, then back on in to a spot across the stations right next to me. So she's facing the charging stations while I have my back to them (I will have to back in). The guy on the end unplugs and pulls out. And before I even have time to put my car in reverse, Karen sprints forward and take the spot. Naturally I lay on the horn and then back right next to her. I roll down my window and say hey there are 3 other cars waiting. We've been here for over half an hour. You're fourth in line! She doesn't even pause to talk to me, just proceeds to plug in as she says "I didn't see any line."

What would you do? What would MOP do?

@Ministry of Pain ?

Start filming her, the car, license plate and tell her you are putting it up on every social media platform
Likely won't have any impact on her
I've had people try to steal my gas pump a couple times when I'm trying to fuel up but usually I either get my way or just jump across the street to the next gas pump if I don't want confrontation

-I can understand your frustration and anger, not sure what would come flying out of my mouth

I did think about filmimg her too.

In retrospect I'm glad I had my kid with me. I would certainly have been more confrontational and likely gotten pretty rude and vocal with her, at the very least. Better for me to walk away still on good terms with my conscience.

 

[Dezbelief]

I did have my soon-to-be senior with me, and there really wasn't anything I could legally do, technically. I told her she was very rude and another spot opened up immediately (although it was the 150 vs. the 350 kwh spots). At the end of the day I will leave it up to her conscience to deal with it. She wasn't very smart though. As we were leaving about 25 minutes later, she left her vehicle unattended. Both of the others who she line-jumped were also still there. Any one of us could have let the air out of her tires and cost her at least as much time as she had stolen from us, if not more. People like that in my experience aren't happy people.

That would have been the time to unplug her

 

[nysfl2]

So this just happened...

I was driving from my home in DFW to College Station to take my kid on a college visit to A&M. We stopped to charge up about halfway there at an Electrify America station just outside of Waco, which I have used a couple times before. This was the first time that all of the charging stations were in use when I got there, but that's part of the deal I guess. No biggie, I can wait. There was one other car already waiting when I pulled in. Two more cars pulled in also waiting when it was finally my turn next. Just before the dude on the end unplugged, this Karen pulls up in her EV and starts acting weird...driving slow past all the bays, then back on in to a spot across the stations right next to me. So she's facing the charging stations while I have my back to them (I will have to back in). The guy on the end unplugs and pulls out. And before I even have time to put my car in reverse, Karen sprints forward and take the spot. Naturally I lay on the horn and then back right next to her. I roll down my window and say hey there are 3 other cars waiting. We've been here for over half an hour. You're fourth in line! She doesn't even pause to talk to me, just proceeds to plug in as she says "I didn't see any line."

What would you do? What would MOP do?

@Ministry of Pain ?

I would unplug her.

And then she plugs it back in and says don’t touch my car. What’s the next step?

Unplug her and stand there holding the charger in your hand until she leaves

 

[gianmarco]

If she pulled into the spot like that, just get out of your car and walk to the charger and grab it before she can get it and put it in her car.

Then it's a waiting game. How patient can you be? She may be parked there but she can't physically take the charger out of your hand.

 

[HellToupee]

Was driving on 75 yesterday in Florida and saw a Geely Starray. Never heard of them , the are Chinese and own Volvo

 

[Terminalxylem]

If she pulled into the spot like that, just get out of your car and walk to the charger and grab it before she can get it and put it in her car.

Then it's a waiting game. How patient can you be? She may be parked there but she can't physically take the charger out of your hand.

To spice things up, I’d tuck it in my pants, unzip, and peek the charger through the pee-hole.

 

[jb1020]

Anyone down to help a guy get a Supercharger in Starkville MS? Please

Been a Tesla owner since 2019 and I'm getting tired of telling people I can take it pretty much anywhere I want, but I can't make it the 240 mile round trip from Jackson to Starkville for Miss State games. There's no reliable charging there, or on the way. Drives me insane having to take my wifes suburban.

 

[the moops]

Anyone down to help a guy get a Supercharger in Starkville MS? Please

Been a Tesla owner since 2019 and I'm getting tired of telling people I can take it pretty much anywhere I want, but I can't make it the 240 mile round trip from Jackson to Starkville for Miss State games. There's no reliable charging there, or on the way. Drives me insane having to take my wifes suburban.

Looks like there is a 125 kW ChargePoint charging station you could use. 201 E Lampkin St, Starkville, MS 39759

 

[the moops]

Anyone down to help a guy get a Supercharger in Starkville MS? Please

Been a Tesla owner since 2019 and I'm getting tired of telling people I can take it pretty much anywhere I want, but I can't make it the 240 mile round trip from Jackson to Starkville for Miss State games. There's no reliable charging there, or on the way. Drives me insane having to take my wifes suburban.

Looks like there is a 125 kW ChargePoint charging station you could use. 201 E Lampkin St, Starkville, MS 39759

And a 350 kW EvGo charger here 403 SW Frontage Rd, Winona, MS 38967

 

[Dezbelief]

Anyone down to help a guy get a Supercharger in Starkville MS? Please

Been a Tesla owner since 2019 and I'm getting tired of telling people I can take it pretty much anywhere I want, but I can't make it the 240 mile round trip from Jackson to Starkville for Miss State games. There's no reliable charging there, or on the way. Drives me insane having to take my wifes suburban.

Looks like there is a 125 kW ChargePoint charging station you could use. 201 E Lampkin St, Starkville, MS 39759

And a 350 kW EvGo charger here 403 SW Frontage Rd, Winona, MS 38967

I'm starting to see a few gas stations add in charging stations.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

Anyone down to help a guy get a Supercharger in Starkville MS? Please

Been a Tesla owner since 2019 and I'm getting tired of telling people I can take it pretty much anywhere I want, but I can't make it the 240 mile round trip from Jackson to Starkville for Miss State games. There's no reliable charging there, or on the way. Drives me insane having to take my wifes suburban.

Looks like there is a 125 kW ChargePoint charging station you could use. 201 E Lampkin St, Starkville, MS 39759

And a 350 kW EvGo charger here 403 SW Frontage Rd, Winona, MS 38967

I'm starting to see a few gas stations add in charging stations.

If you can't beat them...

 

[jb1020]

Anyone down to help a guy get a Supercharger in Starkville MS? Please

Been a Tesla owner since 2019 and I'm getting tired of telling people I can take it pretty much anywhere I want, but I can't make it the 240 mile round trip from Jackson to Starkville for Miss State games. There's no reliable charging there, or on the way. Drives me insane having to take my wifes suburban.

Looks like there is a 125 kW ChargePoint charging station you could use. 201 E Lampkin St, Starkville, MS 39759

And a 350 kW EvGo charger here 403 SW Frontage Rd, Winona, MS 38967

I've checked that one on Lampkin Street twice. Both times it was blocked by a regular car.

Winona - a solid 60 miles out of the way.

Just vote, nothing to debate here!

 

[Tick]

The screens typically have a "I'm done, quit charging" button - if she did that and walked away, I'd press it.

Unfortunately, about 10% of the touchscreens seem to work - UV is brutal.

 

[the moops]

Posted in another thread that we are taking a family trip to northern Noway in a couple weeks. Used getaround app/website to rent a person to person car for the vacation. I have never used getaround but have used US version Turo many times to great success. Got a Tesla Y long rage for under 100 bucks a day which was far less than all the rental agencies. Even though we are EV owners, I am always a bit nervous renting an EV in unfamiliar places. Did see that 90% of all new car sales in Norway are electric, so felt way better about the choice. And looking at northern Norway EV charging locations - holy moly is the US still lacking in this sort of infrastructure.

 

[fatness]

Tesla’s Autopilot system is in the spotlight at a Miami trial over a student killed while stargazing

A rare trial against Elon Musk’s car company began Monday in Miami where a jury will decide if it is partly to blame for the death of a stargazing university student after a runaway Tesla sent her flying 75 feet through the air and severely injured her boyfriend. Lawyers for the plaintiff argue that Tesla’s driver-assistance feature called Autopilot should have warned the driver and braked when his Model S sedan blew through flashing red lights, a stop sign and a T-intersection at nearly 70 miles an hour in the April 2019 crash. Tesla lays the blame solely on the driver, who was reaching for a dropped cell phone.

The driver, George McGee, was sued separately by the plaintiffs. That case was settled.

Update on this trial:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/tech...ot-crashes-evidence-testimony-wrongful-death/
archived link: https://archive.ph/8rWcO

Tesla said it could not recover data from the crash.
Then a hacker hired by plaintiffs recovered the data, rather easily.
Then Tesla said oh gosh, we did have it after all.

The batch of data the plaintiffs were after, internally referred to as a collision snapshot, showed exactly what the vehicle’s cameras detected before the crash, including the young woman who was killed. The plaintiffs’ attorneys said they believed the data would present a damning picture of the system’s shortcomings, and the hacker — who for years had been taking Autopilot computers apart and cloning their data — was confident he could find it.

It took the jury less than a day of deliberation to find Tesla 33 percent liable for the crash and responsible for $243 million in punitive and compensatory damages. The verdict was a stunning setback for a company that for years has successfully argued that the driver bears the responsibility when its technology is involved in a crash. Tesla said that the verdict was wrong and that it plans to appeal, given the “substantial errors of law and irregularities at trial.” U.S. District Judge Beth Bloom, who presided over the case, said in an order that she did not find “sufficient evidence” that Tesla’s failure to initially produce the data was intentional. She ruled, however, that Tesla was required to reimburse the plaintiffs for all the costs related to retrieving the data themselves.

In interviews, Angulo and Benavides Leon’s sister, Neima Benavides, said they passed up “a lot of money” from Tesla, which they said tried to avoid trial by offering them a confidential settlement. Tesla declined to comment, though settlement offers are not unusual in such cases. Aware they faced a tough defense, the plaintiffs said they wanted the public to know how Tesla deceived them in the years following the crash — including the prolonged battle over the data eventually recovered by the hacker.

After years of trying and failing to retrieve this data from Tesla, the plaintiffs’ attorneys said, they finally hit a wall in 2024 and were preparing to go to trial without it. But in a last-ditch effort to find the snapshot that summer, they recovered the control units from the Florida Highway Patrol, which still had them in its possession. Then they needed a technical expert to understand and extract what was on them. That’s when they turned to hacker greentheonly, who had a robust social media following for his work recovering data from damaged Teslas and posting his findings on X. The hacker was consulting with the plaintiffs’ team when Tesla proposed to the plaintiffs that they power on the Autopilot control unit to determine what data it held — an idea greentheonly vehemently opposed.
“‘Let’s just power it on and update [it] and see what happens,’” he recalled them suggesting. “If I wanted to destroy evidence on the computer, that would be exactly the advice I would give.”
After a lengthy back-and-forth, Tesla and the plaintiffs agreed on terms for the hacker to access the data from the Autopilot unit himself.

Over the next few days, the hacker used the data he had found to create an augmented video of the crash that showed in stark detail exactly what the Tesla saw in the moments before the crash. In the annotated video played for the jury, the vehicle detects a vehicle about 170 feet away. A subsequent frame shows it detecting a pedestrian about 116 feet away. As McGee hurtles closer and closer, the video shows the Tesla planning a path through Angulo’s truck, right where he and his girlfriend were standing behind signs and reflectors highlighting the end of the road.

 

[Nugget]

Less than a week left for tax credit. Q4 likely to sell half as many EVs as Q3. Inventories are dropping, production is getting scaled back, and investment is dropping short term (2026). Tesla is likely to gain market share but in a shrinking EV market. Next year is down likely 25%+ over 2025 levels for EV sales. Curious to see if buyers go back to ICE or stay on the sidelines.

 

[Psychopav]

Less than a week left for tax credit. Q4 likely to sell half as many EVs as Q3. Inventories are dropping, production is getting scaled back, and investment is dropping short term (2026). Tesla is likely to gain market share but in a shrinking EV market. Next year is down likely 25%+ over 2025 levels for EV sales. Curious to see if buyers go back to ICE or stay on the sidelines.

Between lower demand and lack of government subsidy, In theory the cost of the EV's should come down considerably.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I don't see consumers returning to ICE vehicles in mass; global demand continues to grow despite the policy headwinds here in the US.

EVs are simply superior products, and I think we're past the point of there not being enough traction to sustain the industry. Cheaper, faster, more reliable, etc will win out in the long run over dirtier, more expensive, and less reliable.

 

[the moops]

Less than a week left for tax credit.

Trying to squeeze a purchase of a 2022 Polestar 2 in before this expires. Not sure I can though.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Less than a week left for tax credit. Q4 likely to sell half as many EVs as Q3. Inventories are dropping, production is getting scaled back, and investment is dropping short term (2026). Tesla is likely to gain market share but in a shrinking EV market. Next year is down likely 25%+ over 2025 levels for EV sales. Curious to see if buyers go back to ICE or stay on the sidelines.

I assume many will sit tight and weather the storm for another 3.5 years. It should also push prices lower and production efficiency higher in theory.

 

[Psychopav]

I don't see consumers returning to ICE vehicles in mass; global demand continues to grow despite the policy headwinds here in the US.

EVs are simply superior products, and I think we're past the point of there not being enough traction to sustain the industry. Cheaper, faster, more reliable, etc will win out in the long run over dirtier, more expensive, and less reliable.

On average, there are 20 moving parts in an EV drivetrain, contrasted with over 2,000 in an ICE drivetrain (source: Gemini). Add on top of that the inherent wear involved in containing thousands of explosions per minute to keep an ICE car running vs. the EV motor's relatively low impact method of locomotion, now that we have batteries that provide range the EV is simply a better mousetrap. Plus since gasoline is used ONLY for engines while electricity is used to power homes, it's probably a safe bet that electricity will always be cheaper than gas - before even considering the relative costs of delivery.

We took a road trip from Dallas to Chicago this last weekend, and we were there for 6 days. My wife commented on how few EV's we saw relative to what we see in the DFW area, which seems like Tesla central. She even mentioned how surprised she was that in 6 days in Chicagoland we didn't see a single Cybertruck. Consider: Illinois is the blue state; Texas is the red. Supposedly.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

I don't see consumers returning to ICE vehicles in mass; global demand continues to grow despite the policy headwinds here in the US.

EVs are simply superior products, and I think we're past the point of there not being enough traction to sustain the industry. Cheaper, faster, more reliable, etc will win out in the long run over dirtier, more expensive, and less reliable.

On average, there are 20 moving parts in an EV drivetrain, contrasted with over 2,000 in an ICE drivetrain (source: Gemini). Add on top of that the inherent wear involved in containing thousands of explosions per minute to keep an ICE car running vs. the EV motor's relatively low impact method of locomotion, now that we have batteries that provide range the EV is simply a better mousetrap. Plus since gasoline is used ONLY for engines while electricity is used to power homes, it's probably a safe bet that electricity will always be cheaper than gas - before even considering the relative costs of delivery.

We took a road trip from Dallas to Chicago this last weekend, and we were there for 6 days. My wife commented on how few EV's we saw relative to what we see in the DFW area, which seems like Tesla central. She even mentioned how surprised she was that in 6 days in Chicagoland we didn't see a single Cybertruck. Consider: Illinois is the blue state; Texas is the red. Supposedly.

It's also gets REALLY cold in Chicago. I can assume that reduced charging speed, reduced battery availability, and increased battery usage in the cold plays a part in how many you see there.

 

[Instinctive]

I don't see consumers returning to ICE vehicles in mass; global demand continues to grow despite the policy headwinds here in the US.

EVs are simply superior products, and I think we're past the point of there not being enough traction to sustain the industry. Cheaper, faster, more reliable, etc will win out in the long run over dirtier, more expensive, and less reliable.

On average, there are 20 moving parts in an EV drivetrain, contrasted with over 2,000 in an ICE drivetrain (source: Gemini). Add on top of that the inherent wear involved in containing thousands of explosions per minute to keep an ICE car running vs. the EV motor's relatively low impact method of locomotion, now that we have batteries that provide range the EV is simply a better mousetrap. Plus since gasoline is used ONLY for engines while electricity is used to power homes, it's probably a safe bet that electricity will always be cheaper than gas - before even considering the relative costs of delivery.

We took a road trip from Dallas to Chicago this last weekend, and we were there for 6 days. My wife commented on how few EV's we saw relative to what we see in the DFW area, which seems like Tesla central. She even mentioned how surprised she was that in 6 days in Chicagoland we didn't see a single Cybertruck. Consider: Illinois is the blue state; Texas is the red. Supposedly.

I don't see consumers returning to ICE vehicles in mass; global demand continues to grow despite the policy headwinds here in the US.

EVs are simply superior products, and I think we're past the point of there not being enough traction to sustain the industry. Cheaper, faster, more reliable, etc will win out in the long run over dirtier, more expensive, and less reliable.

On average, there are 20 moving parts in an EV drivetrain, contrasted with over 2,000 in an ICE drivetrain (source: Gemini). Add on top of that the inherent wear involved in containing thousands of explosions per minute to keep an ICE car running vs. the EV motor's relatively low impact method of locomotion, now that we have batteries that provide range the EV is simply a better mousetrap. Plus since gasoline is used ONLY for engines while electricity is used to power homes, it's probably a safe bet that electricity will always be cheaper than gas - before even considering the relative costs of delivery.

We took a road trip from Dallas to Chicago this last weekend, and we were there for 6 days. My wife commented on how few EV's we saw relative to what we see in the DFW area, which seems like Tesla central. She even mentioned how surprised she was that in 6 days in Chicagoland we didn't see a single Cybertruck. Consider: Illinois is the blue state; Texas is the red. Supposedly.

It's also gets REALLY cold in Chicago. I can assume that reduced charging speed, reduced battery availability, and increased battery usage in the cold plays a part in how many you see there.

Plus at least when we were there, most probably don't have the ability to install a home charger. Which is a huge reason I got one - to just plug in at home and never worry about charge.

 

[Psychopav]

I don't see consumers returning to ICE vehicles in mass; global demand continues to grow despite the policy headwinds here in the US.

EVs are simply superior products, and I think we're past the point of there not being enough traction to sustain the industry. Cheaper, faster, more reliable, etc will win out in the long run over dirtier, more expensive, and less reliable.

On average, there are 20 moving parts in an EV drivetrain, contrasted with over 2,000 in an ICE drivetrain (source: Gemini). Add on top of that the inherent wear involved in containing thousands of explosions per minute to keep an ICE car running vs. the EV motor's relatively low impact method of locomotion, now that we have batteries that provide range the EV is simply a better mousetrap. Plus since gasoline is used ONLY for engines while electricity is used to power homes, it's probably a safe bet that electricity will always be cheaper than gas - before even considering the relative costs of delivery.

We took a road trip from Dallas to Chicago this last weekend, and we were there for 6 days. My wife commented on how few EV's we saw relative to what we see in the DFW area, which seems like Tesla central. She even mentioned how surprised she was that in 6 days in Chicagoland we didn't see a single Cybertruck. Consider: Illinois is the blue state; Texas is the red. Supposedly.

I don't see consumers returning to ICE vehicles in mass; global demand continues to grow despite the policy headwinds here in the US.

EVs are simply superior products, and I think we're past the point of there not being enough traction to sustain the industry. Cheaper, faster, more reliable, etc will win out in the long run over dirtier, more expensive, and less reliable.

On average, there are 20 moving parts in an EV drivetrain, contrasted with over 2,000 in an ICE drivetrain (source: Gemini). Add on top of that the inherent wear involved in containing thousands of explosions per minute to keep an ICE car running vs. the EV motor's relatively low impact method of locomotion, now that we have batteries that provide range the EV is simply a better mousetrap. Plus since gasoline is used ONLY for engines while electricity is used to power homes, it's probably a safe bet that electricity will always be cheaper than gas - before even considering the relative costs of delivery.

We took a road trip from Dallas to Chicago this last weekend, and we were there for 6 days. My wife commented on how few EV's we saw relative to what we see in the DFW area, which seems like Tesla central. She even mentioned how surprised she was that in 6 days in Chicagoland we didn't see a single Cybertruck. Consider: Illinois is the blue state; Texas is the red. Supposedly.

It's also gets REALLY cold in Chicago. I can assume that reduced charging speed, reduced battery availability, and increased battery usage in the cold plays a part in how many you see there.

Plus at least when we were there, most probably don't have the ability to install a home charger. Which is a huge reason I got one - to just plug in at home and never worry about charge.

Why would that be any different from the DFW area?

 

[Instinctive]

I don't see consumers returning to ICE vehicles in mass; global demand continues to grow despite the policy headwinds here in the US.

EVs are simply superior products, and I think we're past the point of there not being enough traction to sustain the industry. Cheaper, faster, more reliable, etc will win out in the long run over dirtier, more expensive, and less reliable.

On average, there are 20 moving parts in an EV drivetrain, contrasted with over 2,000 in an ICE drivetrain (source: Gemini). Add on top of that the inherent wear involved in containing thousands of explosions per minute to keep an ICE car running vs. the EV motor's relatively low impact method of locomotion, now that we have batteries that provide range the EV is simply a better mousetrap. Plus since gasoline is used ONLY for engines while electricity is used to power homes, it's probably a safe bet that electricity will always be cheaper than gas - before even considering the relative costs of delivery.

We took a road trip from Dallas to Chicago this last weekend, and we were there for 6 days. My wife commented on how few EV's we saw relative to what we see in the DFW area, which seems like Tesla central. She even mentioned how surprised she was that in 6 days in Chicagoland we didn't see a single Cybertruck. Consider: Illinois is the blue state; Texas is the red. Supposedly.

I don't see consumers returning to ICE vehicles in mass; global demand continues to grow despite the policy headwinds here in the US.

EVs are simply superior products, and I think we're past the point of there not being enough traction to sustain the industry. Cheaper, faster, more reliable, etc will win out in the long run over dirtier, more expensive, and less reliable.

On average, there are 20 moving parts in an EV drivetrain, contrasted with over 2,000 in an ICE drivetrain (source: Gemini). Add on top of that the inherent wear involved in containing thousands of explosions per minute to keep an ICE car running vs. the EV motor's relatively low impact method of locomotion, now that we have batteries that provide range the EV is simply a better mousetrap. Plus since gasoline is used ONLY for engines while electricity is used to power homes, it's probably a safe bet that electricity will always be cheaper than gas - before even considering the relative costs of delivery.

We took a road trip from Dallas to Chicago this last weekend, and we were there for 6 days. My wife commented on how few EV's we saw relative to what we see in the DFW area, which seems like Tesla central. She even mentioned how surprised she was that in 6 days in Chicagoland we didn't see a single Cybertruck. Consider: Illinois is the blue state; Texas is the red. Supposedly.

It's also gets REALLY cold in Chicago. I can assume that reduced charging speed, reduced battery availability, and increased battery usage in the cold plays a part in how many you see there.

Plus at least when we were there, most probably don't have the ability to install a home charger. Which is a huge reason I got one - to just plug in at home and never worry about charge.

Why would that be any different from the DFW area?

Well most people in DFW own a house. Most people in Chicago live in condos or brownstones or apartments with parking garages they don't have rights to install stuff in.

I guess I could be convinced I'm wrong but I've actually lived a decent amount of time in both places. And have friends in Chicago still.

 

[Psychopav]

I don't see consumers returning to ICE vehicles in mass; global demand continues to grow despite the policy headwinds here in the US.

EVs are simply superior products, and I think we're past the point of there not being enough traction to sustain the industry. Cheaper, faster, more reliable, etc will win out in the long run over dirtier, more expensive, and less reliable.

On average, there are 20 moving parts in an EV drivetrain, contrasted with over 2,000 in an ICE drivetrain (source: Gemini). Add on top of that the inherent wear involved in containing thousands of explosions per minute to keep an ICE car running vs. the EV motor's relatively low impact method of locomotion, now that we have batteries that provide range the EV is simply a better mousetrap. Plus since gasoline is used ONLY for engines while electricity is used to power homes, it's probably a safe bet that electricity will always be cheaper than gas - before even considering the relative costs of delivery.

We took a road trip from Dallas to Chicago this last weekend, and we were there for 6 days. My wife commented on how few EV's we saw relative to what we see in the DFW area, which seems like Tesla central. She even mentioned how surprised she was that in 6 days in Chicagoland we didn't see a single Cybertruck. Consider: Illinois is the blue state; Texas is the red. Supposedly.

I don't see consumers returning to ICE vehicles in mass; global demand continues to grow despite the policy headwinds here in the US.

EVs are simply superior products, and I think we're past the point of there not being enough traction to sustain the industry. Cheaper, faster, more reliable, etc will win out in the long run over dirtier, more expensive, and less reliable.

On average, there are 20 moving parts in an EV drivetrain, contrasted with over 2,000 in an ICE drivetrain (source: Gemini). Add on top of that the inherent wear involved in containing thousands of explosions per minute to keep an ICE car running vs. the EV motor's relatively low impact method of locomotion, now that we have batteries that provide range the EV is simply a better mousetrap. Plus since gasoline is used ONLY for engines while electricity is used to power homes, it's probably a safe bet that electricity will always be cheaper than gas - before even considering the relative costs of delivery.

We took a road trip from Dallas to Chicago this last weekend, and we were there for 6 days. My wife commented on how few EV's we saw relative to what we see in the DFW area, which seems like Tesla central. She even mentioned how surprised she was that in 6 days in Chicagoland we didn't see a single Cybertruck. Consider: Illinois is the blue state; Texas is the red. Supposedly.

It's also gets REALLY cold in Chicago. I can assume that reduced charging speed, reduced battery availability, and increased battery usage in the cold plays a part in how many you see there.

Plus at least when we were there, most probably don't have the ability to install a home charger. Which is a huge reason I got one - to just plug in at home and never worry about charge.

Why would that be any different from the DFW area?

Well most people in DFW own a house. Most people in Chicago live in condos or brownstones or apartments with parking garages they don't have rights to install stuff in.

I guess I could be convinced I'm wrong but I've actually lived a decent amount of time in both places. And have friends in Chicago still.

I guess I don't follow. People in Chicagoland don't live in houses? How odd that you have that perspective. Both places have urban and suburban areas. I'm not sure what you mean by brownstones or even if you're just limiting your comment to the city proper (maybe you're talking about 3 flats or Chicago style bungalows?), but I'm really talking about the entire metro area of both locations. Which include plenty of single family homes.

 

[the moops]

I don't see consumers returning to ICE vehicles in mass; global demand continues to grow despite the policy headwinds here in the US.

EVs are simply superior products, and I think we're past the point of there not being enough traction to sustain the industry. Cheaper, faster, more reliable, etc will win out in the long run over dirtier, more expensive, and less reliable.

On average, there are 20 moving parts in an EV drivetrain, contrasted with over 2,000 in an ICE drivetrain (source: Gemini). Add on top of that the inherent wear involved in containing thousands of explosions per minute to keep an ICE car running vs. the EV motor's relatively low impact method of locomotion, now that we have batteries that provide range the EV is simply a better mousetrap. Plus since gasoline is used ONLY for engines while electricity is used to power homes, it's probably a safe bet that electricity will always be cheaper than gas - before even considering the relative costs of delivery.

We took a road trip from Dallas to Chicago this last weekend, and we were there for 6 days. My wife commented on how few EV's we saw relative to what we see in the DFW area, which seems like Tesla central. She even mentioned how surprised she was that in 6 days in Chicagoland we didn't see a single Cybertruck. Consider: Illinois is the blue state; Texas is the red. Supposedly.

It's also gets REALLY cold in Chicago. I can assume that reduced charging speed, reduced battery availability, and increased battery usage in the cold plays a part in how many you see there.

According the intermet, Illinois has more EVs per 100,000 residents than Texas. Neither state is in the top 15 though

Mapped: Electric Vehicles Per Capita by U.S. State

See which U.S. states lead in electric vehicle registrations per capita, with California far ahead of the pack in 2023.

www.visualcapitalist.com

 

[Psychopav]

I don't see consumers returning to ICE vehicles in mass; global demand continues to grow despite the policy headwinds here in the US.

EVs are simply superior products, and I think we're past the point of there not being enough traction to sustain the industry. Cheaper, faster, more reliable, etc will win out in the long run over dirtier, more expensive, and less reliable.

On average, there are 20 moving parts in an EV drivetrain, contrasted with over 2,000 in an ICE drivetrain (source: Gemini). Add on top of that the inherent wear involved in containing thousands of explosions per minute to keep an ICE car running vs. the EV motor's relatively low impact method of locomotion, now that we have batteries that provide range the EV is simply a better mousetrap. Plus since gasoline is used ONLY for engines while electricity is used to power homes, it's probably a safe bet that electricity will always be cheaper than gas - before even considering the relative costs of delivery.

We took a road trip from Dallas to Chicago this last weekend, and we were there for 6 days. My wife commented on how few EV's we saw relative to what we see in the DFW area, which seems like Tesla central. She even mentioned how surprised she was that in 6 days in Chicagoland we didn't see a single Cybertruck. Consider: Illinois is the blue state; Texas is the red. Supposedly.

It's also gets REALLY cold in Chicago. I can assume that reduced charging speed, reduced battery availability, and increased battery usage in the cold plays a part in how many you see there.

According the intermet, Illinois has more EVs per 100,000 residents than Texas. Neither state is in the top 15 though

Mapped: Electric Vehicles Per Capita by U.S. State

See which U.S. states lead in electric vehicle registrations per capita, with California far ahead of the pack in 2023.

www.visualcapitalist.com

Interesting. Looks like as of 2025 it's about even on a per capita basis between IL and TX, on a statewide basis, at about 0.007 ev's per capita in each state:

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g65078275/state-ev-adoption/

I will say I live in North Dallas and I'm sure the ev density is quite a bit higher here than in Fort Worth. That said, I definitely expected to see more than we did in the Southeast Chicago suburbs (Naperville area) and downtown, where we spent most of our time.

 

[Instinctive]

I don't see consumers returning to ICE vehicles in mass; global demand continues to grow despite the policy headwinds here in the US.

EVs are simply superior products, and I think we're past the point of there not being enough traction to sustain the industry. Cheaper, faster, more reliable, etc will win out in the long run over dirtier, more expensive, and less reliable.

On average, there are 20 moving parts in an EV drivetrain, contrasted with over 2,000 in an ICE drivetrain (source: Gemini). Add on top of that the inherent wear involved in containing thousands of explosions per minute to keep an ICE car running vs. the EV motor's relatively low impact method of locomotion, now that we have batteries that provide range the EV is simply a better mousetrap. Plus since gasoline is used ONLY for engines while electricity is used to power homes, it's probably a safe bet that electricity will always be cheaper than gas - before even considering the relative costs of delivery.

We took a road trip from Dallas to Chicago this last weekend, and we were there for 6 days. My wife commented on how few EV's we saw relative to what we see in the DFW area, which seems like Tesla central. She even mentioned how surprised she was that in 6 days in Chicagoland we didn't see a single Cybertruck. Consider: Illinois is the blue state; Texas is the red. Supposedly.

I don't see consumers returning to ICE vehicles in mass; global demand continues to grow despite the policy headwinds here in the US.

EVs are simply superior products, and I think we're past the point of there not being enough traction to sustain the industry. Cheaper, faster, more reliable, etc will win out in the long run over dirtier, more expensive, and less reliable.

On average, there are 20 moving parts in an EV drivetrain, contrasted with over 2,000 in an ICE drivetrain (source: Gemini). Add on top of that the inherent wear involved in containing thousands of explosions per minute to keep an ICE car running vs. the EV motor's relatively low impact method of locomotion, now that we have batteries that provide range the EV is simply a better mousetrap. Plus since gasoline is used ONLY for engines while electricity is used to power homes, it's probably a safe bet that electricity will always be cheaper than gas - before even considering the relative costs of delivery.

We took a road trip from Dallas to Chicago this last weekend, and we were there for 6 days. My wife commented on how few EV's we saw relative to what we see in the DFW area, which seems like Tesla central. She even mentioned how surprised she was that in 6 days in Chicagoland we didn't see a single Cybertruck. Consider: Illinois is the blue state; Texas is the red. Supposedly.

It's also gets REALLY cold in Chicago. I can assume that reduced charging speed, reduced battery availability, and increased battery usage in the cold plays a part in how many you see there.

Plus at least when we were there, most probably don't have the ability to install a home charger. Which is a huge reason I got one - to just plug in at home and never worry about charge.

Why would that be any different from the DFW area?

Well most people in DFW own a house. Most people in Chicago live in condos or brownstones or apartments with parking garages they don't have rights to install stuff in.

I guess I could be convinced I'm wrong but I've actually lived a decent amount of time in both places. And have friends in Chicago still.

I guess I don't follow. People in Chicagoland don't live in houses? How odd that you have that perspective. Both places have urban and suburban areas. I'm not sure what you mean by brownstones or even if you're just limiting your comment to the city proper (maybe you're talking about 3 flats or Chicago style bungalows?), but I'm really talking about the entire metro area of both locations. Which include plenty of single family homes.

Yeah maybe. You said Chicago and DFW not Chicagoland. Was just sharing my sense from living in both based on the words written.

 

[Psychopav]

I don't see consumers returning to ICE vehicles in mass; global demand continues to grow despite the policy headwinds here in the US.

EVs are simply superior products, and I think we're past the point of there not being enough traction to sustain the industry. Cheaper, faster, more reliable, etc will win out in the long run over dirtier, more expensive, and less reliable.

On average, there are 20 moving parts in an EV drivetrain, contrasted with over 2,000 in an ICE drivetrain (source: Gemini). Add on top of that the inherent wear involved in containing thousands of explosions per minute to keep an ICE car running vs. the EV motor's relatively low impact method of locomotion, now that we have batteries that provide range the EV is simply a better mousetrap. Plus since gasoline is used ONLY for engines while electricity is used to power homes, it's probably a safe bet that electricity will always be cheaper than gas - before even considering the relative costs of delivery.

We took a road trip from Dallas to Chicago this last weekend, and we were there for 6 days. My wife commented on how few EV's we saw relative to what we see in the DFW area, which seems like Tesla central. She even mentioned how surprised she was that in 6 days in Chicagoland we didn't see a single Cybertruck. Consider: Illinois is the blue state; Texas is the red. Supposedly.

I don't see consumers returning to ICE vehicles in mass; global demand continues to grow despite the policy headwinds here in the US.

EVs are simply superior products, and I think we're past the point of there not being enough traction to sustain the industry. Cheaper, faster, more reliable, etc will win out in the long run over dirtier, more expensive, and less reliable.

On average, there are 20 moving parts in an EV drivetrain, contrasted with over 2,000 in an ICE drivetrain (source: Gemini). Add on top of that the inherent wear involved in containing thousands of explosions per minute to keep an ICE car running vs. the EV motor's relatively low impact method of locomotion, now that we have batteries that provide range the EV is simply a better mousetrap. Plus since gasoline is used ONLY for engines while electricity is used to power homes, it's probably a safe bet that electricity will always be cheaper than gas - before even considering the relative costs of delivery.

We took a road trip from Dallas to Chicago this last weekend, and we were there for 6 days. My wife commented on how few EV's we saw relative to what we see in the DFW area, which seems like Tesla central. She even mentioned how surprised she was that in 6 days in Chicagoland we didn't see a single Cybertruck. Consider: Illinois is the blue state; Texas is the red. Supposedly.

It's also gets REALLY cold in Chicago. I can assume that reduced charging speed, reduced battery availability, and increased battery usage in the cold plays a part in how many you see there.

Plus at least when we were there, most probably don't have the ability to install a home charger. Which is a huge reason I got one - to just plug in at home and never worry about charge.

Why would that be any different from the DFW area?

Well most people in DFW own a house. Most people in Chicago live in condos or brownstones or apartments with parking garages they don't have rights to install stuff in.

I guess I could be convinced I'm wrong but I've actually lived a decent amount of time in both places. And have friends in Chicago still.

I guess I don't follow. People in Chicagoland don't live in houses? How odd that you have that perspective. Both places have urban and suburban areas. I'm not sure what you mean by brownstones or even if you're just limiting your comment to the city proper (maybe you're talking about 3 flats or Chicago style bungalows?), but I'm really talking about the entire metro area of both locations. Which include plenty of single family homes.

Yeah maybe. You said Chicago and DFW not Chicagoland. Was just sharing my sense from living in both based on the words written.

I actually did but all good. I said DFW but I really mean north Dallas and it's suburbs, and I didn't say that.

 

[tommyGunZ]

FWIW, the problem Instinctive is commenting on is a real issue. I worked for a large energy utility company for a decade and the future of the grid and electric delivery was a big topic. Getting electric vehicle chargers into every apartment building in urban areas is a current challenge.

Charging at home is a game changer. Once you get used to powering your vehicle by simply plugging in every third day or so, going back to an ICE vehicle and the hassle of gas stations is a deal breaker. Conversely, living in an apartment without access to level 2 charging at your home is also a borderline dealbreaker due to the amount of time it takes for cars to charge. No one wants to go sit somewhere for an hour 2/3 times a week simply to charge their EV.

As batteries evolve and full charging in 5-10 minutes becomes the norm, this is much less of a problem. And as buildings/workspaces modernize and add charging stations, the problem lessens. But we're not anywhere near that in urban areas currently.

 

[tommyGunZ]

According the intermet, Illinois has more EVs per 100,000 residents than Texas. Neither state is in the top 15 though

Mapped: Electric Vehicles Per Capita by U.S. State

See which U.S. states lead in electric vehicle registrations per capita, with California far ahead of the pack in 2023.

www.visualcapitalist.com

Thanks for sharing this @the moops . Astonishing that we're still at such a low adoption rate nationwide. I don't understand why it's so hard for Americans (and policy makers) to understand how much cheaper renewable energy generation and electric power is than the entire process that comes with extracting and delivering fossil based fuels. It's the biggest no brainer in the history of no brainers, yet some folks are still reluctant.

 

[Instinctive]

I don't see consumers returning to ICE vehicles in mass; global demand continues to grow despite the policy headwinds here in the US.

EVs are simply superior products, and I think we're past the point of there not being enough traction to sustain the industry. Cheaper, faster, more reliable, etc will win out in the long run over dirtier, more expensive, and less reliable.

On average, there are 20 moving parts in an EV drivetrain, contrasted with over 2,000 in an ICE drivetrain (source: Gemini). Add on top of that the inherent wear involved in containing thousands of explosions per minute to keep an ICE car running vs. the EV motor's relatively low impact method of locomotion, now that we have batteries that provide range the EV is simply a better mousetrap. Plus since gasoline is used ONLY for engines while electricity is used to power homes, it's probably a safe bet that electricity will always be cheaper than gas - before even considering the relative costs of delivery.

We took a road trip from Dallas to Chicago this last weekend, and we were there for 6 days. My wife commented on how few EV's we saw relative to what we see in the DFW area, which seems like Tesla central. She even mentioned how surprised she was that in 6 days in Chicagoland we didn't see a single Cybertruck. Consider: Illinois is the blue state; Texas is the red. Supposedly.

I don't see consumers returning to ICE vehicles in mass; global demand continues to grow despite the policy headwinds here in the US.

EVs are simply superior products, and I think we're past the point of there not being enough traction to sustain the industry. Cheaper, faster, more reliable, etc will win out in the long run over dirtier, more expensive, and less reliable.

On average, there are 20 moving parts in an EV drivetrain, contrasted with over 2,000 in an ICE drivetrain (source: Gemini). Add on top of that the inherent wear involved in containing thousands of explosions per minute to keep an ICE car running vs. the EV motor's relatively low impact method of locomotion, now that we have batteries that provide range the EV is simply a better mousetrap. Plus since gasoline is used ONLY for engines while electricity is used to power homes, it's probably a safe bet that electricity will always be cheaper than gas - before even considering the relative costs of delivery.

We took a road trip from Dallas to Chicago this last weekend, and we were there for 6 days. My wife commented on how few EV's we saw relative to what we see in the DFW area, which seems like Tesla central. She even mentioned how surprised she was that in 6 days in Chicagoland we didn't see a single Cybertruck. Consider: Illinois is the blue state; Texas is the red. Supposedly.

It's also gets REALLY cold in Chicago. I can assume that reduced charging speed, reduced battery availability, and increased battery usage in the cold plays a part in how many you see there.

Plus at least when we were there, most probably don't have the ability to install a home charger. Which is a huge reason I got one - to just plug in at home and never worry about charge.

Why would that be any different from the DFW area?

Well most people in DFW own a house. Most people in Chicago live in condos or brownstones or apartments with parking garages they don't have rights to install stuff in.

I guess I could be convinced I'm wrong but I've actually lived a decent amount of time in both places. And have friends in Chicago still.

I guess I don't follow. People in Chicagoland don't live in houses? How odd that you have that perspective. Both places have urban and suburban areas. I'm not sure what you mean by brownstones or even if you're just limiting your comment to the city proper (maybe you're talking about 3 flats or Chicago style bungalows?), but I'm really talking about the entire metro area of both locations. Which include plenty of single family homes.

Yeah maybe. You said Chicago and DFW not Chicagoland. Was just sharing my sense from living in both based on the words written.

I actually did but all good. I said DFW but I really mean north Dallas and it's suburbs, and I didn't say that.

You are right. Apologies.