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Your 808s will start collecting dust after that. The only times I use them are at work (I don't think people are ready to handle the mod yet - looks too much like you're doing something illicit) and when I go to amusement parks. if I worked from home or could easily use the Grand at work, I'd have already sold off all my 808s.
I can't speak to other mods, but if a juice feeder is what you're looking for, you may want to wait. The Grand is amazing. The thing is solid as hell, so easy to clean and maintain that it's not even worth discussing, fires EVERY time, never leaks, feeds beautifully, no wires, looks great. I can't say enough about it. Dollar for dollar, I may be more satisfied with this than anything else I've ever purchased.That's not gonna happen this weekend. They got delayed again.
Looks like I may have to look into other options.From the REO website...
I figure I'll use the 808s at work, in the car, and when I want to go light or need to stealth vape. The mod seems like it might be too distracting while driving.
My bet is you'll use the mod while driving. It's not distracting at all, a quick squonk and blast away. When you want to go light, you'll take less and/or smaller hits off of it. You'll use the 808s when you want to stealth vape and that's about it (actually, the Grand is small enough that you can be relatively stealthy if you have big enough hands.) The experience vs. the 808s with cartos is night and day.
I agree with Stevie. Going a with a starter kit from v4l would probably be good. I would imagine not many women would feel comfortable with a Buzz (a larger thing that doesn't even try to look like a cig). I don't have the xl. Just the regular auto batteries from v4l and they serve my purpose just fine.A nice touch would be to find out what desserts your sister likes and get a few carts of similar flavors. Also the batteries (the long end of the e-cig) come in different colors. Also, you'll need to know how what kind of cigs she smokes to figure out what level of nicotine to purchase. I smoked camel lights and the 16mg is good for me.
Bravo on doing this for your sis. The V4L products worked great for me. I'd go with the manual xl Vapor King. It may be a bit bigger than she likes, and to Steevie's point may not be a huge difference over the standard battery, but my sense is bigger means stronger and the huge hurdle for a new user is having an experience that fills the void of cigs. As Steevie mentioned, her smoking habit will dictate the nicotine mg needs. If she is a pack a day smoker, I'd get her one cartomizer package of 18s and a second of 24s. If she's a lighter smoker, I'd get one of 12 mg and a second of 18. You wouldn;t want to get her 4 mgs as her initial experience will be that these don't fill the void. On cartomizer type, you'll probably want to stick with Premium/WOW and not go with the "VG" cartomizers. VG carts have more vapor, but may not give the 'throat hit' a person moving from cigs to vaping will really need. Higher nicotine mg level will equate to better throat hit. My post 498 on page 10 is what I would recommend for a newbie, but probably more than you want to get as a gift. Information you might pass along though. Good luck.ETA: Before you place an order, check in here and ask about sales. V4L almost always has sales running that are sent via email to prior buyers. I think "smilin15" is an ongoing 15% off everything you buy. Right now they have a 25% sale on any amount of cartomizers purchased, using promo code "juicecarts25" March 25-27. Almost weekly they have 15%-25% sales that would apply to an entire purchase, including a starter kit, but unfortunately only juice and carts are in this sale. So try smilin15 if you are buying this weekend and check back for a new sale code if you are buying after the weekend... save some $$.
If I had to start over, my first order would be an Ultimate XL Auto kit from V4L, a car adapter, and 2 or 3 extra packs of flavored 18 and 24mg carts (most likely sample packs). That would give me a couple weeks worth of supplies, and during those weeks I would re-order the flavors that I preferred (id buy juice and blank carts in my 2nd order).ETA: Ive been using my original V4L XL autos for almost 3 months now with no problems. Ive since added a Manual, and those 3 batteries are all I have needed and used, and I have no desire to move up to a bigger and better unit, these work and have worked perfectly for me.
I think the general consensus would be to start with a V4L starter kit. After that opinions will vary. Some of the guys really want a powerful battery, but I've actually been using the regular auto batteries most of the time. The XLs do have a little more power but I am fine with the regular autos. The USB passthru is great, and lets you charge your batteries when you are on the computer.
I live in NYC and I didn't wanna be that guy. Not a fan of attention.
Ah. I was sitting in a Waffle House vaping this morning, but I was being very discreet. Noone (even my wife, at first) had any idea.
A lot of times up here I'll just wait till it's time to head to the bathroom and bong that sucker out. I'll also vape on not-so crowded subways and wait a while to exhale (less vapor).
Agree here, the people around you have no idea what is in the vapor. Why do something you know will bother others, whether it's perfectly safe or not.
Yeah, I know. I was able to land a Grand on the ECF classifieds last night.I can't speak to other mods, but if a juice feeder is what you're looking for, you may want to wait. The Grand is amazing. The thing is solid as hell, so easy to clean and maintain that it's not even worth discussing, fires EVERY time, never leaks, feeds beautifully, no wires, looks great. I can't say enough about it. Dollar for dollar, I may be more satisfied with this than anything else I've ever purchased.
There may be other equivalent/better juice feeders out there, I don't know. All I'm saying is that if your research pointed you towards the Grand, you don't want to buy a lesser product to get it a week sooner.
I have a similar problem going the other way. Charging the V4L battery on the Bloog charger works, but the indicators don't. I think you have to just slap it on overnight or for a few hours and then pull it off when you think it's charged.There's really no appreciable difference between the Bloog batteries and the V4L. It's the cartos that are much better.
Nice. Your vaping world is about to be turned on its head. I let my brother hit the Grand for the first time on Saturday and he was glued to me for the rest of the night. I'm pretty sure he hit it more often than I did. Actually started to get annoying after a bit.Yeah, I know. I was able to land a Grand on the ECF classifieds last night.I can't speak to other mods, but if a juice feeder is what you're looking for, you may want to wait. The Grand is amazing. The thing is solid as hell, so easy to clean and maintain that it's not even worth discussing, fires EVERY time, never leaks, feeds beautifully, no wires, looks great. I can't say enough about it. Dollar for dollar, I may be more satisfied with this than anything else I've ever purchased.
There may be other equivalent/better juice feeders out there, I don't know. All I'm saying is that if your research pointed you towards the Grand, you don't want to buy a lesser product to get it a week sooner.
After taking a look at the Grand and after having so-so experiences lately with my v4l batts and carts I think I'm going to jump on this bandwagon when he gets more in. Like the fact that AI can get something somewhat custom.Nice. Your vaping world is about to be turned on its head. I let my brother hit the Grand for the first time on Saturday and he was glued to me for the rest of the night. I'm pretty sure he hit it more often than I did. Actually started to get annoying after a bit.Yeah, I know. I was able to land a Grand on the ECF classifieds last night.I can't speak to other mods, but if a juice feeder is what you're looking for, you may want to wait. The Grand is amazing. The thing is solid as hell, so easy to clean and maintain that it's not even worth discussing, fires EVERY time, never leaks, feeds beautifully, no wires, looks great. I can't say enough about it. Dollar for dollar, I may be more satisfied with this than anything else I've ever purchased.
There may be other equivalent/better juice feeders out there, I don't know. All I'm saying is that if your research pointed you towards the Grand, you don't want to buy a lesser product to get it a week sooner.
I got the indicator light going. Must have just been a contact issue.As far as the batts, I must have misunderstood earlier in the thread. I thought it was the batts that were being hyped...
It's mainly the cartos, but people have reported having a better experience by keeping the batt/cartos the same brand.
I like the Bloog batteries better as far as texture/look and consistency (the V4L batteries I've had seem to choose not to fire from time to time, and/or sometimes the LED will start to dim after 1-2 seconds of a hit and I won't get a good pull.) The V4L XLs have a better duration and a longer cutoff, plus their CS, prices, and sales are far superior. You could make a case for either. It's the MaxxFusion cartos that, IMO, nuke the V4L cartos. They hit harder, hold more juice, last longer, are easier to fill, etc. I traded my 5 V4L Cafe Mocha WOW carts (which I hated) to my brother for 5 MaxxFusion RY4s (which he hated) a few weeks ago and he was thrilled with the trade based on flavor. Just Saturday, though, he was cursing me because the WOW carts were already hitting poorly and seemed "on the way out" after 2-3 fills, whereas I still have every single MF carto I've ever ordered. I have some I've filled 10-12 times since 2/2/11 that still work great.
Once that thing shows up...... and you get your atomizer primed..... and you strap it on..... and you get your favorite juice in the fill bottle..... and you take that one primer puff and release it without inhaling... stop for a second. Before you take that one blast that starts off your world of "dripping", look at your 808s and smile. Thank them for helping you kick cigarettes once and for all. Promise them you'll still use them when you need to grab something for "on the go." Then, put them away. Now, take that first blast off the REO. If it doesn't taste very good, give the atomizer a minute to adjust, squonk the bottle if needed, and hit it again. Now one more time. It'll settle in pretty quickly. Now sit back and enter a world of pure vaping bliss.Oh, and try not to enter a "vape coma" on day 1. Seems almost inevitable. Itching, sweating, mild nausea, anxiety - you'll probably feel any or all of these on day 1 until your body adjusts and/or you establish your new rhythm.After taking a look at the Grand and after having so-so experiences lately with my v4l batts and carts I think I'm going to jump on this bandwagon when he gets more in. Like the fact that AI can get something somewhat custom.Nice. Your vaping world is about to be turned on its head. I let my brother hit the Grand for the first time on Saturday and he was glued to me for the rest of the night. I'm pretty sure he hit it more often than I did. Actually started to get annoying after a bit.Yeah, I know. I was able to land a Grand on the ECF classifieds last night.I can't speak to other mods, but if a juice feeder is what you're looking for, you may want to wait. The Grand is amazing. The thing is solid as hell, so easy to clean and maintain that it's not even worth discussing, fires EVERY time, never leaks, feeds beautifully, no wires, looks great. I can't say enough about it. Dollar for dollar, I may be more satisfied with this than anything else I've ever purchased.
There may be other equivalent/better juice feeders out there, I don't know. All I'm saying is that if your research pointed you towards the Grand, you don't want to buy a lesser product to get it a week sooner.
Can't wait! Should have it in my hands by Wednesday!'Evilgrin 72 said:Once that thing shows up...... and you get your atomizer primed..... and you strap it on..... and you get your favorite juice in the fill bottle..... and you take that one primer puff and release it without inhaling... stop for a second. Before you take that one blast that starts off your world of "dripping", look at your 808s and smile. Thank them for helping you kick cigarettes once and for all. Promise them you'll still use them when you need to grab something for "on the go." Then, put them away. Now, take that first blast off the REO. If it doesn't taste very good, give the atomizer a minute to adjust, squonk the bottle if needed, and hit it again. Now one more time. It'll settle in pretty quickly. Now sit back and enter a world of pure vaping bliss.Oh, and try not to enter a "vape coma" on day 1. Seems almost inevitable. Itching, sweating, mild nausea, anxiety - you'll probably feel any or all of these on day 1 until your body adjusts and/or you establish your new rhythm.'Cunk said:After taking a look at the Grand and after having so-so experiences lately with my v4l batts and carts I think I'm going to jump on this bandwagon when he gets more in. Like the fact that AI can get something somewhat custom.'Evilgrin 72 said:Nice. Your vaping world is about to be turned on its head. I let my brother hit the Grand for the first time on Saturday and he was glued to me for the rest of the night. I'm pretty sure he hit it more often than I did. Actually started to get annoying after a bit.'Athletic Supporter said:Yeah, I know. I was able to land a Grand on the ECF classifieds last night.I can't speak to other mods, but if a juice feeder is what you're looking for, you may want to wait. The Grand is amazing. The thing is solid as hell, so easy to clean and maintain that it's not even worth discussing, fires EVERY time, never leaks, feeds beautifully, no wires, looks great. I can't say enough about it. Dollar for dollar, I may be more satisfied with this than anything else I've ever purchased.
There may be other equivalent/better juice feeders out there, I don't know. All I'm saying is that if your research pointed you towards the Grand, you don't want to buy a lesser product to get it a week sooner.
This could be me. Grew up a military brat when cigarets were encouraged. Motivation:
I'm gonna get on this train too. I'm 56, been smoking since I was 15. Addicted to cigs at conception. (seriously)
Thanks for all the info folks...
Make no mistake about it!!And the #1 reason...My wife of 21-years, a life-long non-smoker, can't keep her hands off me since I switched...she can't believe how good I smell and taste!
I'm really psyched! 
Hey Glump! I only have experience with V4L, and whole-heartedly recommend them for someone who is looking to jump on the vaping wagon. I'm very happy with their products and they were a very satisfying substitude for cigarettes. Not to mention they continually run specials...in fact right now they are running a 48hr sale - 29% off everything (no minimum order)! Use code World29Gawd I love this place! Saw this thread Monday; three days of studying things and I'm just through page 8. A Lotta Stuff here!!
Situation:
This could be me. Grew up a military brat when cigarets were encouraged. Motivation:
I'm gonna get on this train too. I'm 56, been smoking since I was 15. Addicted to cigs at conception. (seriously)
Thanks for all the info folks...
Make no mistake about it!!And the #1 reason...My wife of 21-years, a life-long non-smoker, can't keep her hands off me since I switched...she can't believe how good I smell and taste!
Can't keep pulling off of work to read the rest of the thread first though so need help with the choices:
V4L seems to be the most popular here, and maybe the most like handling an "analog" cigaret?
Bloog should be a modified version of the same, coming from the same roots...
I didn't see anything more on the Volcano since TJRaider recommended it after his trials--anything?
And--I really like the looks of the eGo-T tank refill system that Gadabout is using.
Are there others I haven't seen yet to recommend for starting up? New problems with any of these four? I'm finally ready to roll here after having tried everything else, and this time it's gotta stick--so it's all or nothing!
I know nothing about them, but I just saw this and thought you might be interested if you're considering these and looking to buy soon!Brand New EGO kits!
Mine just arrived today!Still waiting for my atomizers though...Grands are being prepped for anodizing 4/11/11 is my best guess could be a couples days sooner
Mini Reos Two to three weeks 4/20/11 estimation
Woodvils 4/8/11 7 pm eastern
I've got batteries, a charger, all kindsa juice, plenty atomizers but no Reo.You should order your atomizers from Avid Vaper. They're a NY company and if I were to place an order tomorrow morning, they'd be in my mailbox Friday afternoon (I'm in NYC).Mine just arrived today!Still waiting for my atomizers though...Grands are being prepped for anodizing 4/11/11 is my best guess could be a couples days sooner
Mini Reos Two to three weeks 4/20/11 estimation
Woodvils 4/8/11 7 pm eastern
AS--that link--or maybe my computer here at home--switched a couple times but led me once to a Volcano Inferno T...with a tank?! That's like the eGo-T that caught my attention. Steevie, I'm hoping my 'starter' will be my 'final' kit, which I know could be the V4L--but I'm thinking from what I've seen in the thread so far that I'll be juicing it pretty quickly and want that to be as smooth an operation as possible. That's what caught my attention with the eGo-t's. My sister is so keen on me doing this she's offered to buy the first kit. Love the sale going on but my indecision is between the more analog-like V4L (I think) vs the more user friendly tanks. And thanks to all in this thread!! I know it's a mutually rewarding experience!I know nothing about them, but I just saw this and thought you might be interested if you're considering these and looking to buy soon!Brand New EGO kits!
Gadabout... As a matter of fact, I did order from avidvaper.comJust checked on the website...I've got batteries, a charger, all kindsa juice, plenty atomizers but no Reo.You should order your atomizers from Avid Vaper. They're a NY company and if I were to place an order tomorrow morning, they'd be in my mailbox Friday afternoon (I'm in NYC).Mine just arrived today!Still waiting for my atomizers though...Grands are being prepped for anodizing 4/11/11 is my best guess could be a couples days sooner
Mini Reos Two to three weeks 4/20/11 estimation
Woodvils 4/8/11 7 pm eastern
I'm seriously considering sending a message to the dude who makes the Reo telling him that my little brother is in the "Make a Wish" program and the only thing he wants is a black & gold Reo Grand for this weekend.
Time to send another email...
Weird...sorry about that. They must've sold.AS--that link--or maybe my computer here at home--switched a couple times but led me once to a Volcano Inferno T...with a tank?! That's like the eGo-T that caught my attention. Steevie, I'm hoping my 'starter' will be my 'final' kit, which I know could be the V4L--but I'm thinking from what I've seen in the thread so far that I'll be juicing it pretty quickly and want that to be as smooth an operation as possible. That's what caught my attention with the eGo-t's. My sister is so keen on me doing this she's offered to buy the first kit. Love the sale going on but my indecision is between the more analog-like V4L (I think) vs the more user friendly tanks. And thanks to all in this thread!! I know it's a mutually rewarding experience!I know nothing about them, but I just saw this and thought you might be interested if you're considering these and looking to buy soon!Brand New EGO kits!
If I had it to do over, and the size/shape/appearance of the PV is/was a non issue, I'd skip the 808s (Bloog/V4L) altogether and either get a blaster VV mod like the Buzz or Infinity or a box mod like the REO Grand. Both cost more, but they give you the luxury of using atomizers or cartomizers, dripping or not, huge battery life, added power to more closely resemble the experience of smoking, etc. The 808s are a great introduction into the world of vaping, but ultimately, most want something more (unless you're using vaping simply as a bridge from smoking to not inhaling anything but air) and the 808s end up being an investment of several hundred bucks rendered moot and unnecessary by the mod.Gawd I love this place! Saw this thread Monday; three days of studying things and I'm just through page 8. A Lotta Stuff here!!
Situation:
This could be me. Grew up a military brat when cigarets were encouraged. Motivation:
I'm gonna get on this train too. I'm 56, been smoking since I was 15. Addicted to cigs at conception. (seriously)
Thanks for all the info folks...
Make no mistake about it!!And the #1 reason...My wife of 21-years, a life-long non-smoker, can't keep her hands off me since I switched...she can't believe how good I smell and taste!
Can't keep pulling off of work to read the rest of the thread first though so need help with the choices:
V4L seems to be the most popular here, and maybe the most like handling an "analog" cigaret?
Bloog should be a modified version of the same, coming from the same roots...
I didn't see anything more on the Volcano since TJRaider recommended it after his trials--anything?
And--I really like the looks of the eGo-T tank refill system that Gadabout is using.
Are there others I haven't seen yet to recommend for starting up? New problems with any of these four? I'm finally ready to roll here after having tried everything else, and this time it's gotta stick--so it's all or nothing!
Excellent! Ordered one of each of the Cisco 306 & 510 @2 ohms. Apparently avidvapes is forced to update their website order status manually and are behind. My order should be waiting for me when I get home!
REO Vaping coma, here I come! 
Seriously, try to resist the urge to hit it 15-20 times in 5 minutes. You can get mildly ill for a little while.The 510s work fine, but the 306 is superior on all fronts in my opinion. I also like 2 ohms with this unit, you don't need anything less. 1.5 ohms tastes kind of burnt, I find 1.85-1.95 amps to be a sweet spot with the Grand.Excellent! Ordered one of each of the Cisco 306 & 510 @2 ohms. Apparently avidvapes is forced to update their website order status manually and are behind. My order should be waiting for me when I get home!
