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Eli Manning > Peyton Manning (1 Viewer)
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Giantseasonticketholder
Whammy
Not sure I am ready to go that far, simply because I don't think Eli would have beaten Peyton at his best INSIDE A DOME.
But in less than ideal conditions, Eli would wipe the floor with him! You cannot convince me that Peyton would have gone into GB in 2007 or would have played yesterday in SF as well as Eli had. There are very few QB's who could have done what Eli has.
But in less than ideal conditions, Eli would wipe the floor with him! You cannot convince me that Peyton would have gone into GB in 2007 or would have played yesterday in SF as well as Eli had. There are very few QB's who could have done what Eli has.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
well how about giving the Giants front 4 some credit? that unit is beastly.
Eli has certainly improved a great deal even since the last superbowl run
Eli has certainly improved a great deal even since the last superbowl run
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
I will and agree. Do you think the Colts front 4 is equal, in the same neighborhood, or not even close?
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
Peyton never had a D that could support...
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
not even close right now. Freeney and Mathias seemed good 2 years ago. NYG has a little bit of it all, a Great Dline, Good run game, Solid trio of WR, a good QB with pedigree.And what else I think is underrated is Webster is a shutdown corner
DoubleG
Footballguy
Umm...yes. This is really a question?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Disagree. Being a team game and all, we saw what happened to Indy without Peyton. Eli has a better receiving corps, coach, running game, defense, special teams, offensive line...pretty much everything outside of (maybe) Dallas Clark. Silly argument really as there are just too many variables involve to compare the two.I don't think there's any doubt now. Disagree?
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Eli and Peyton on the same team, same coach, Peyton would have way more rings. The Giants have just had better coaching over the years than the Colts and a better all around team.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
I don't think it's silly. Eli has a chance to win a second ring, has an above .500 record in the playoffs, neither of which Peyton has. Plus, I'll assume the bolded means "I have nothing to back up my assertion."Disagree. Being a team game and all, we saw what happened to Indy without Peyton. Eli has a better receiving corps, coach, running game, defense, special teams, offensive line...pretty much everything outside of (maybe) Dallas Clark. Silly argument really as there are just too many variables involve to compare the two.I don't think there's any doubt now. Disagree?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
So are you saying the two teams are exactly equal? And that they have played against all the same opponents in the playoffs in the same game situations? Come on, guy.I don't think it's silly. Eli has a chance to win a second ring, has an above .500 record in the playoffs, neither of which Peyton has. Plus, I'll assume the bolded means "I have nothing to back up my assertion."Disagree. Being a team game and all, we saw what happened to Indy without Peyton. Eli has a better receiving corps, coach, running game, defense, special teams, offensive line...pretty much everything outside of (maybe) Dallas Clark. Silly argument really as there are just too many variables involve to compare the two.I don't think there's any doubt now. Disagree?
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
and coachingCaldwell was one of the ####tiest coaches to rise the the level of head coach in ti league.Dungy was adequate only, but Couglin is a very good coach, especially in the playoffs.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Huh? Peyton was surrounded by first round draft picks at the skill positions his entire career (Harrison, Wayne, James, Addai, Brown) and there was plenty of other talent on both offense and defense on his Colts' teams.Peyton is the more skilled player of the two, but Eli has proven to be more of a clutch player.
Phlash
Footballguy
I don't think so, Tim.Peyton had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Brandon Stockley, and Edgerrin James for a while, while having Harrison & Wayne for basically his whole career. Let's not act like Peyton hasn't had top tier players around him his whole career. Eli *only* has two stud WRs but he put up almost 5k yards this year. Peyton may have in the same situation, but I doubt his numbers would be overall that much better. And he certainly isn't as reliable in the playoffs as Eli has been.
netnalp
Footballguy
But consider that Peyton had Harrison, Wayne, James, Clark, Collie to work with. Eli had Plaxico for 3 1/2 seasons, Toomer on the downside, Shockey and Tiki would be about equal to Edge. Then S. Smith, Nicks, Cruz. I think Peyton has had more continuity in his receiving core.I'd still put Peyton ahead so far. Peyton seemed to master the QB craft faster than Eli did.
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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Apparently, I've generated some discussion on the topic. You can choose to participate or not; it's up to you.So are you saying the two teams are exactly equal? And that they have played against all the same opponents in the playoffs in the same game situations? Come on, guy.I don't think it's silly. Eli has a chance to win a second ring, has an above .500 record in the playoffs, neither of which Peyton has. Plus, I'll assume the bolded means "I have nothing to back up my assertion."Disagree. Being a team game and all, we saw what happened to Indy without Peyton. Eli has a better receiving corps, coach, running game, defense, special teams, offensive line...pretty much everything outside of (maybe) Dallas Clark. Silly argument really as there are just too many variables involve to compare the two.I don't think there's any doubt now. Disagree?
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
The fact is Peyton went into the playoffs each year with a talented lineup and was constantly thought of as the "team to beat". Yet, he's 6-10 in the playoffs with 1 SB ring. Eli has now led 2 Giant teams on extraordinary runs to the Super Bowl and has a record over .500. Winner.
beef
Footballguy
i remember people saying how the 2007 giants were one of the worst super bowl teams ever. and this year's giants was picked to finish 3rd in the east.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Unfortunately, Peyton's hurt right now. Could you pick someone else right now?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Erroneous. The Colts defense was main reason they won that Super Bowl back in 2006. Peyton's 2nd half against the Patriots was awesome, but he was carried for the remainder of that Super Bowl run. Anyway, Peyton is obviously better all-time, but in the playoffs, Eli has been better. W/o a doubt.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Why would we forget something that never happened.
kentric
Footballguy
Over the period both have played, the Giants D was much better than the Colts. When I say supporting cast, I'm not referring solely to the offensive skill positions (which currently, the Giants have better skill positions - although I would say the Colts over the same 7-8 year period had better SP on average). Even with a less than stellar D, Manning continually carried the Colts to 10+ win seasons. You can't say the same for Eli. Right now, Eli is in top form but I am still of the opinion that with Peyton (if healthy) at QB, the Giants would be a better team.
ADP
Footballguy
Thought he was 9-10 int he playoffs?
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
People who don't follow the Giants closely enough will never give Eli the credit he deservedly has earned.
I have read a couple of times in this post that the supporting cast has been awesome this year for NY. Offensively this is not true. The O line has been very inconsistent at best and the running game has been awful (in fact one of the worst run games in the league ranking 31st).
What Eli has done this year has been nothing short of amazing. We are talking about on offense a team that entered the year with 3 starting WR's having a grand total of 5 years of playing experience combined between all of them. Nicks had 2 years, Manningham had 3 years, and Cruz never played a down in the NFL. Their starting TE was the great Jake Ballard who was entering his second year in the NFL and had yet to catch a pass. You could have won a lot of money had you bet on Eli to clear 4,900 yards prior to the year.
You would have thought that Eli would have been able to rely on his RB's and his veteran O line entering the year with such a young receiving core, but instead Bradshaw misses 4 games and tallies a grand total of 659 rushing yards, while his counter part Mr. 2 yards and a pile of dust Jacobs misses 2 games and racks up 571 rushing yards.
What has made Eli so amazing this year is how awesome he has become in the pocket. His growth in the pocket over the last few years has been nothing short of amazing. Pocket presence and allowing yourself the time to make your reads down the field is what seperates the men from the boys. Brady, Brees, Manning are not overly atletic guys, but their pocket awarness is uncanny. Eli has finally got it, and is one of the premier QB's in the game. If you take everything into account, from 4th quarter statistics, to QB rating, to supporting cast etc etc. Eli was absolutely brilliant this year and it had been over shadowed all year.
I have read a couple of times in this post that the supporting cast has been awesome this year for NY. Offensively this is not true. The O line has been very inconsistent at best and the running game has been awful (in fact one of the worst run games in the league ranking 31st).
What Eli has done this year has been nothing short of amazing. We are talking about on offense a team that entered the year with 3 starting WR's having a grand total of 5 years of playing experience combined between all of them. Nicks had 2 years, Manningham had 3 years, and Cruz never played a down in the NFL. Their starting TE was the great Jake Ballard who was entering his second year in the NFL and had yet to catch a pass. You could have won a lot of money had you bet on Eli to clear 4,900 yards prior to the year.
You would have thought that Eli would have been able to rely on his RB's and his veteran O line entering the year with such a young receiving core, but instead Bradshaw misses 4 games and tallies a grand total of 659 rushing yards, while his counter part Mr. 2 yards and a pile of dust Jacobs misses 2 games and racks up 571 rushing yards.
What has made Eli so amazing this year is how awesome he has become in the pocket. His growth in the pocket over the last few years has been nothing short of amazing. Pocket presence and allowing yourself the time to make your reads down the field is what seperates the men from the boys. Brady, Brees, Manning are not overly atletic guys, but their pocket awarness is uncanny. Eli has finally got it, and is one of the premier QB's in the game. If you take everything into account, from 4th quarter statistics, to QB rating, to supporting cast etc etc. Eli was absolutely brilliant this year and it had been over shadowed all year.
You'd better hope that game isn't in the playoffs, then.
SWC
Bromigo
there dad was better than both of them so i guess this is a post that doesnt matter like in most things the dad is better than the kids and then stuff just gets diulted and watered down as you go through the generations look at george bush senior to george w bush and george forman to george forman 6 who will never be the heavyweight champion of the world or have a sandwhich machine named after him take it to the bank my brethren
The_Fonz
Footballguy
I'd like to wait until both players are done with thier careers before I can say for sure BUT I am biased as a Giants fan and I think that at the end of both careers Eli will prove to be the better one. A lot depends on what you think matters. I really want to see him win a 2nd SB to slant this discussion in his favor. He has proven to be more than Dilfer or Rob Johnson, I still think he doesnt get enough credit for SB42. The defense was awesome but Eli played a great game....and the Green Bay game was also very well played.
He has made more impact with his team than Peyton did in less time, won his first playoff game sooner in his career and of course a superbowl sooner in his career. Peyton may end up with more individual records but that remains to be seen. Eli is already the best QB the Giants have probably ever had. AND while I think Eli has benefitted from a consistently better defense, Peyton has had better weapons consistently in his career. The last two seasons started with everyone saying "Who is Eli going to throw to?" I credit the Giants front office for scouting and drafting great talent but Eli has been playing with a revolving cast of people to throw to much moreso than Peyton ever had to deal with. I wanted to get Plax back badly and thought HE was what we were missing....now with Nicks and Cruz I am thrilled that he went to the Jets.
He has made more impact with his team than Peyton did in less time, won his first playoff game sooner in his career and of course a superbowl sooner in his career. Peyton may end up with more individual records but that remains to be seen. Eli is already the best QB the Giants have probably ever had. AND while I think Eli has benefitted from a consistently better defense, Peyton has had better weapons consistently in his career. The last two seasons started with everyone saying "Who is Eli going to throw to?" I credit the Giants front office for scouting and drafting great talent but Eli has been playing with a revolving cast of people to throw to much moreso than Peyton ever had to deal with. I wanted to get Plax back badly and thought HE was what we were missing....now with Nicks and Cruz I am thrilled that he went to the Jets.
Regular season stats and January tee times.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Didn't the Colts have Bob Sanders? Didn't he win defensive player of the year?
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Harrison, Wayne, James were good.. Addai and Brown are average at best.. Very poor argument..
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Apparently, I've generated some discussion on the topic. You can choose to participate or not; it's up to you.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Addai was very good for that offense. They also had Rhodes who was solid in their playoff run. Name all the studs Eli was surrounded with. This post was only in reference to the revisionist history where Eli is surrounded by studs while poor Peyton Manning was asked to win games with scrubs.Before this season started was everyone saying that an undrafted second year player (who missed his rookies season) out of UMASS was some stud of that a later round draft pick at TE was the a great option in the passing game?Over the years Peyton played with:HarrisonWayneStokelyClarkCollieGarconJamesAddaiEli played with:NicksCruzManninghamBurressToomerBossShockeyBallardBarberBradshawJacobsIt was a "poor argument" in the first place. Peyton worked with plenty of talent - most of those players were first through third round picks. Eli played with some talent as well - but anyone acting like he was better set up for success than Peyton was is being disingenuous.ETA: and in no way do I think Eli is better than Peyton - but in the context of the OP in which we are talking playoffs I do think Eli has been more clutch in big games than his older brother and it's not because he had the better supporting cast.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Also I like how future Hall of Famers that were drafted in the first round of the NFL draft were only "good".
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Doubtful, since Coughlin is a great coach and not a clueless dope like Caldwell, and the Giants have done a better job of building a good team around Eli than the Colts have recently done around Peyton.
Banemorth
Footballguy
If Eli wins the big game again I really don't think there can be any doubt. In the end a QB's greatness needs to be measured by the number of times they "got it done." Even Post-Season wins don't mean much if you don't win the Superbowl. That's what the whole year is about.
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
Peyton wouldn't have one ring if the Bears had anybody at QB besides Rex Grossman. So there's that.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Harrison is HOF material.. Not so sure the other 2 are a lock.. I'd actually be surprised if Edge gets in..And if you prefer a different adjective, then insert it.. You read the word 'good' as 'bad'?
What if I say 'really good'?
The round a player is drafted, gives you some idea what a players odds are of being relevant in the NFL, but does not mean much after that.. We could have a pointless discussion about what percentage of first round picks make it to the HOF... Or win a SB since that seems to be a divine measure of greatness.. Or how many actually succeed in the NFL.. The list of lack luster first rounders would end this thread..
One More Rep
Footballguy
Peyton is better
