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Dude is awful. How long does he get a free pass thanks thanks to the SB win?
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Rick James
Footballguy
Hate having to depend on an NYG player not named Nicks. You think I'd learn my lesson by now
nxmehta
Footballguy
It really bites to be a Giants fan right now. Eli is so horrible, and because of his name, they will never bench him. It will be this way for 7-8 more years.
You already won your superbowl.
Norseman
Footballguy
Congrats on the Super Bowl win.It really bites to be a Giants fan right now. Eli is so horrible, and because of his name, they will never bench him. It will be this way for 7-8 more years.
Jed
Footballguy
Your favorite "wait till the play clock is at 1 to snap" is in play tonight. Of course they look good in the 2 minute drill where they can't do that.
Islanders rule
Footballguy
I need 11.2 points from Manningham in the 2nd half to win my game. Not gonna happen, I need an ugly guy to throw him the ball. E. manning SUCKS!!
Avery
Footballguy
Sorry to bring some level headed thought in here but you should look at the guy on your roster.Manning hit Manningham in the hands and if Manningham didn't juggle the ball, he would have easily went for another 20 yards and a TD.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
I'll take any of those three before Eli.And I'd also rather have Freeman, and this year, maybe even Sanchez or Campbell.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Romo? The same guy who blows every big m oment in his entire career and has exactly 1 playoff win? Flacco who has been Mr erratic his entire career so far? Sanchez & Freeman too soon in their careers yet. Campbell is laughable
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
He's not to mentioned with Tony Romo, Flacco, or Cutler. He really sucks. He's to be mentioned with Alex Smith, David Garrard, Donovan McNabb. I solidly put Jason Campbell ahead of him. And that's not being a homer, or saying he's even good.⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
I hate the Cowboys and prefer if he sucks in the clutch. But I'll take his FF numbers. In a redraft, Sanchez and Freeman are proving to be better picks than Eli. Hell, in a keeper/dynasty too. Campbell is off to a decent start to his fantasy year. The fact that he could even be mentioned with Eli is what's laughable.I understand Eli puts up good yardage but that's offset by his interceptions. And as a QB, he's just about the worst on-field leader I've ever seen run a team for this long. He's like a good Dilfer.
shadyridr
Footballguy
woah Im not talking fantasy
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Speaking of Romo, he gets bashed for his lack of being "clutch". But in the 4th qtr, he's money. Probably the best 4th Qtr QB in the league. Go back and look at the game logs and isolate on just the 4th Qtr. You'd be surprised. I'm no Cowboy fan, or Romo fan. Don't own any Cowboys. Just telling it like it is. Anyone who trashes Romo's 4th quarter play is being lazy and not done their homework or checked the game logs.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Yeah has stats are terrible.Improves in every facet of the game except for interceptions (which anyone that watches the giants play know it has nothing to do with eli) every year.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Leadership?
Run It Up
Footballguy
Where do find that on ESPN?
, he has to be good at something "I said"......I drafted him anyway........WOW
Manster
Footballguy
yesterday, during the Cowboys v. Niners game they ran a stat that Romo has the highest QB rating of all time in the 4th quarter at 100. I was kinda shocked actuallyThe thing is, some of his failures are on big stages. AND he's the QB of the Dallas Cowboys, so hes under a huge microscope.
That debaucle in NY was pretty bad, but he followed it up with redemption in SF. It's maddening at times, but its never dull.
oh, and Eli sucks.........he's looked MUCH better in the past. Maybe a lot of it is his surrounding cast, i dont know, but dang, he looks like hot garbage anymore.
Starts 2-11/19 yards/1TD/1INTthen goes16-18/181 yards/1TDPretty much what you would expect consistency wise.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Ignoring completely that their star WR is playing injured and losing their #2 and 3 in that same 2-11 period.
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KentGraham10
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It shocks me how little support even so called Giants fans have for Eli Manning. His team is built to run the ball and play defense, and they win when they do that consistently. Eli didn't have an ELITE year last year, but he did lead the team to a 10-6 record, and that's saying something. He might not be what you want from a fantasy QB, but he's exactly what I want as a Giants fan. I've been a Giants fan since I was 6 years old. Before he came along, I didn't comprehend what a franchise QB was. Hell, my favorite player was Kent Graham BECAUSE HE SUCKED LESS THAN DANNY KANNEL/DAVE BROWN/MIKE CHERRY AND LED THE TEAM TO A 5-4 RECORD IN 1998!
Since Eli over as a full-time starter:
2005: 11-5
2006: 8-8
2007: 10-6 (Super Bowl Ring/Clutch)
2008: 12-4
2009: 8-8
2010: 10-6
2011: 1-1
60 - 38
I think the fact that Eli is inconsistent yet was able to be clutch against some of the most popular teams in the league during the Super Bowl run is what makes him so hated: Romo @ Dallas, Favre @ Lambo, and Brady @ Superbowl. Add to the fact that Eli got a Super Bowl before hated, then beloved, then hated McNabb with the Eagles just adds to it.
Since Eli over as a full-time starter:
2005: 11-5
2006: 8-8
2007: 10-6 (Super Bowl Ring/Clutch)
2008: 12-4
2009: 8-8
2010: 10-6
2011: 1-1
60 - 38
I think the fact that Eli is inconsistent yet was able to be clutch against some of the most popular teams in the league during the Super Bowl run is what makes him so hated: Romo @ Dallas, Favre @ Lambo, and Brady @ Superbowl. Add to the fact that Eli got a Super Bowl before hated, then beloved, then hated McNabb with the Eagles just adds to it.
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Yeah, people like digging into Eli from both sides of the fence.
As you say, this team SHOULD be tryiing to dominate on the ground and on D. Injuries have weakened the D front, and the running game is pretty aenemic atm, for whatever reason you want to attribute. New look oline hasn't looked great. In the end I think Eli is trying to do too much, rather than do the simple things that win games, well.
The O playcalling also leaves (And always has) left a lot to be desired. Especially on 3rd downs.
As you say, this team SHOULD be tryiing to dominate on the ground and on D. Injuries have weakened the D front, and the running game is pretty aenemic atm, for whatever reason you want to attribute. New look oline hasn't looked great. In the end I think Eli is trying to do too much, rather than do the simple things that win games, well.
The O playcalling also leaves (And always has) left a lot to be desired. Especially on 3rd downs.
bigdaddydave
Footballguy
I don't get the NEW YORK GIANTS..
They give the ball to ahmad and every time he gets 3-10 yards. Then they give the ball 5 times to the other rb who gets 1-2 yards....
THEN
NICKS makes a one handed insane catch... they throw to him 4 times all game and then throw 10 balls at manningham who can't catch ####!!!
ohh yes and eli IS HORRIBLE!
They give the ball to ahmad and every time he gets 3-10 yards. Then they give the ball 5 times to the other rb who gets 1-2 yards....
THEN
NICKS makes a one handed insane catch... they throw to him 4 times all game and then throw 10 balls at manningham who can't catch ####!!!
ohh yes and eli IS HORRIBLE!
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
The first half Eli made some of the worst throws I've seen in the NFL in 2 years. I'm not kidding. He was missing WIDE OPEN receivers badly, including underthrowing Manningham twice and Nicks once when they beat their guys by 3-4 steps. Even the touchdown to Nicks was on the wrong freakin' side. Announcers said great throw but that was supposed to be on the back shoulder and Nicks had to make a great grab. Granted, he threw better underdneath stuff later in the game and Manningham did bobble the one nice deep throw that Manning made, but I was still astounded by that Jimmmy Clausen meets Tavaris Jackson impersonation in the first half. If I didn't know any better I'd swear he had a thumb injury or something - anything to explain how poor his throws really were.
Eli still did what no other QB had actually done in a SB in that final quarter IIRC (Needing a TD, not being able to settle for a FG in the last 2 minutes). And half the reason why he was signed on for decent money was because of the contract lengths - The FO was betting on QB salaries continuing to go up, and they would be set with a middle of the road QB contract for someone who will be around for a while and can win games. He did have a pretty good 4th quarter comeback record compared to a decent amount of QBs not too long ago.14 4th quarter comebacks and 17 game winning drives according to PFR, compared to 13-16 for Rivers and 19-25 for Roethlisberger.People decide Brady's leg was gimpy after the fact.The first argument is just pointless. They aren't mutually exclusive tactics. Steelers/Ravens just two recent examples of teams who would love to win by pounding the ball and stout defense, but have above average QBs who do more than enough to win games (If the Steelers had a half decent oline, I have no doubt they would run it an extra 8-12 times a game)The very fact that people actually think there is someone better out there NOW, or definitely someone better in the coming drafts other than possibly Luck boggles the mind.'Matthias said:
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Addai's Adidas
Footballguy
Still producing fantasy wise and getting about what is expected of him.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
Sorry. Stopped reading after that.'Matthias said:
RUSF18
Footballguy
Bull####. It has everything to do with Eli. Football Outsiders evaluates every single INT thrown. Four were the direct result of the WR tipping/dropping the ball, leaving him with 20 true INTs, still the worst in the league.
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Eli wasn't being helped much by an ultra conservative game plan particularly in the first half. Its like the chicken and the egg thing. Are the Giants conservative because they have no confidence in Eli or do the Giants and Coughlin's conservative nature erode Eli's confidence and put extra pressure on the plays when Eli does get to air it out?
kiLLscaLLion
Footballguy
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Hue G
Footballguy
After watching that game last night I don't see why Coughlin would have any confidence in Eli. I bet they wish they would have just hung on to Phillip Rivers. I haven't been able to stand Eli since he refused to play for San Diego when it was thought that they would draft him, poor baby may have had to play for an NFL team his daddy didn't really like and make millions of dollars.'Area51Inhabitant said:
ratbast
Footballguy
Well as I said I just bought him to compete on my roster with Freeman.
We don't count interceptions and I don't care if he is good as long as he throws TDs and gets me some yardage points.
He outscored my other rostered QBs (Freeman, Henne, Collins and Peyton) and a top 12 QB isn't just showing up on my waiver wire or being given to me. I know you don't care about my roster but Eli is pretty valuable to me and i just don't see some of the logic with some of these comments. Everyone loves Freeman but do you think he outscores Eli by the end of the year?
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
That's all fine and good but the interception rule is kind of JV.
ratbast
Footballguy
Keeper league, 18 years old. Hardly JV but certainly archaic.That's all fine and good but the interception rule is kind of JV.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Fair enough. Our league is about 16 years old. Only 8 teams, took us years to adopt TE, didn't subtract for turnovers initially. We did ban the kicker. One of our better moves.Keeper league, 18 years old. Hardly JV but certainly archaic.That's all fine and good but the interception rule is kind of JV.
Koya
Footballguy
Don't understand the outrage. Eli is Eli. He is frustratingly inconsistent, but the guy has proven (not just the SB season either) that he can get it done, especially in crunch time. The guy is a gunslinger, but the awwwww shucks look works against him.
He will never be great, but he has won a lot more than guys listed as better... it is what it is, and while it makes you nuts sometimes, the guy can win (and lose - but some guys just don't win at all).
He will never be great, but he has won a lot more than guys listed as better... it is what it is, and while it makes you nuts sometimes, the guy can win (and lose - but some guys just don't win at all).
Yes.
Koya
Footballguy
He is very good at times. He is very bad at times (so was Brett Favre, but he had the cowboy look as opposed to the clueless little brother, and it appears some can not get past well, appearance).He makes poor decisions, but also gives his WRs a chance to win games. Hmm, kinda like Favre. Or Romo (and Romo doesnt have the track record of clutch playHe is a leader. He may not be Brady, but to say he is not a leader is to not know the Giants nor Eli.To think that his last name is why he is starting is pretty naive. You think Coughlin gives a crap? Its about performance.'JuSt CuZ said:
KentGraham10
Footballguy
Great post, and I really like the comparison to Favre. I never really thought of it like that but that's exactly the kind of elite QB Eli can be compared to. There is no middle ground with him, either you are going to get a great performance or... not so much.
FavreCo
Footballguy
Amazing isn't it. Yet they don't run the no huddle all the time.Your favorite "wait till the play clock is at 1 to snap" is in play tonight. Of course they look good in the 2 minute drill where they can't do that.
