Eli Manning (1 Viewer)

[PatsFanCT]

It really bites to be a Giants fan right now. Eli is so horrible, and because of his name, they will never bench him. It will be this way for 7-8 more years.

how does it feel now?

Not sure what you're bumping here. The Giants won today, sure, but not because Manning did anything spectacular. Unless you think getting Pass interference calls for balls being under/over thrown gets your QB props. Manning passed for 100+ yards less than probably any other QB the Pats faced this year. The Giants won despite Manning, or any offensive player for that matter.

Are you out of your mind? You obviously did not watch that game yesterday. That or you don't know football. In the first half, both defenses were stifling the other team. Eli single handedly put the team in his back and made unbelievable throw after unbelievable throw towards the end of the game to beat the pats...IN FOXBORO! He showed poise, leadership, and accuracy. Everything you would err want in your franchise qb. I am a huge giants fan and have been a pretty active critic of Eli for much of his career. I specifically can't stand his demeanor on the field, and seeming lack of leadership. I never got the sense that he was really respected by teammates and that it was his team.

But this season Eli is a different guy. He is making better decisions with the football. He is throwing more accurately. He is showing some fire. Some passion. And did you stop to think who his wrs were yesterday that he beat the pays with? Manningham, victor Cruz, Ramses Braden, Michael Clayton, and jake Ballard. Can you honestly say that given the circumstances (team they played, where they played, and who he had to throw to, no nicks, no Bradshaw, no baas) that Eli wasn't spectacular yesterday????

And you say you watched the game?

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I, for one, am shocked that PatsFanCT doesn't think Tom Brady got outplayed yesterday.

 

[qimqam]

The OP claimed Eli Manning is "awful." I think it's clear that he's not an "awful" QB. Whether people think he's elite or not is a different argument, but I think everyone can agree he's not "awful."

I agree he's not awful, and think he gets too much crap from his own fan base. But this old thread was bumped because the Giants won yesterday. Eli did not have a great game yesterday by any means. In fact, it was one of his worst games of the season, but because they beat the Patriots, an old Eli thread is bumped to somehow show how good he is.

The final drive, Eli got a 35 yard PI call on a ball that was so badly under-thrown that he hit the defender in the back of the helmet. Then he gets another PI call and 1st and goal on a ball he so badly overthrew that his receiver never had a chance of catching.

And no, he did not "outplay" Brady yesterday. Just because a team wins, doesn't mean the winning QB outplayed the losing one. The Giants Defense outplayed the Patriots.

Agree with this 100% ... Eli did not outplay Brady. He owned that B itch!

 

[PatsFanCT]

I, for one, am shocked that PatsFanCT doesn't think Tom Brady got outplayed yesterday.

I didn't say Brady was great yesterday, but Manning wasn't as spectacular as everyone is making him out to be.I actually like Eli, but if this was his great game, then he's already hit his ceiling.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Eli and Brady both did not play their best games of the year yesterday.

However, when the game was on the line both QB's showed what makes them great QB's. Brady marches his team down to score a td on a 4th and 8 play that puts his team on top, however with 1:40 left the stage was set for Eli to one up him.

Eli then marches his team down the field and on 3rd and 1 he made a great throw to ballard to give his team the win. On this day Eli gets the nod and the game ball for his effort. Throwing two TD passes in the final 3 minutes of the game to allow his team to win on the road against a great opponent is MVP worthy.

I have been saying for sometime that Eli has finally turned the corner from being a good QB to a great one. He is doing what his brother and other elite QB's do. They make their great no matter who you plug in there.

Sure the defense stepped up and played great, but when Eli needed to pull it together for his team to win, he did. That my friends is what elite QB's do. I can assure you that Brady, Bellichek and company would agree that Eli has played extremely well against them, and after Eli said he deserves to be considered as one of the top QB's in the game he has backed it up by all accounts this season.

Being an Eli critic and supporter he has out played everyone's expectations especially when you factor in everything that has happened on the offensive side of the ball.

 

[Hedgehog]

Not having Nicks and Bradshaw really slowed him down for while - the Giants were clearly trying to run the ball more - once they had to go to throw mode the offense was much better.....Eli has been great and a clear top 10 #1 QB this season but schedule gets tight and weather gets cold....hope he can keep it up!

 

[FavreCo]

I, for one, am shocked that PatsFanCT doesn't think Tom Brady got outplayed yesterday.

I didn't say Brady was great yesterday, but Manning wasn't as spectacular as everyone is making him out to be.I actually like Eli, but if this was his great game, then he's already hit his ceiling.

Gomer is handicapped by the playcalling. You put Gomer in the hurry up and he drives the team down the field repeatedly. He does it time after time.

 

[wharf rat]

I, for one, am shocked that PatsFanCT doesn't think Tom Brady got outplayed yesterday.

I didn't say Brady was great yesterday, but Manning wasn't as spectacular as everyone is making him out to be.I actually like Eli, but if this was his great game, then he's already hit his ceiling.

The ball he dropped in on the Manningham TD was a great pass. Go back and watch the tape. You will also see some of the others as well. He dropped a few in to Cruz and the ball to Ballard down the middle. Didn't have his top receiver, top RB and starting center.

He doesn't look like he stepped off the cover of GQ and he doesn't date supermodels. All he does is go out and gives 100% every time. Some throws arent pretty and he is a gunslinger that will take big risks with some throws. Favre made a career off that.

He currently is having a great season and a decent career. With the game on the line in the 4th quarter he is currently one of the best.

As of right now he is Top 5 in the NFL.

 

[sycamore]

It really bites to be a Giants fan right now. Eli is so horrible, and because of his name, they will never bench him. It will be this way for 7-8 more years.

how does it feel now?

Not sure what you're bumping here. The Giants won today, sure, but not because Manning did anything spectacular. Unless you think getting Pass interference calls for balls being under/over thrown gets your QB props. Manning passed for 100+ yards less than probably any other QB the Pats faced this year. The Giants won despite Manning, or any offensive player for that matter.

Eli made plays when he had to, both his TDs were in the 4th quarter. Stop being a sore loser because Eli stuck it to Brady AGAIN and gave him his first home loss since 2006.Give Eli some credit.

LOL, I give the Giants all the credit in the world. The defense played great. Eli and the offense, outside of Ballard and maybe Cruz, not so much. Stop giving Eli the credit for the win. It's not like he actually outplayed Brady. Hell, nobody on the Giants offense outplayed anyone on the Pats Offense.

Actually, he did.

Care to elaborate on that misconception?

C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT NFL RATING E. Manning 20/39 250 6.4 2 1 77.9

T. Brady 28/49 342 7.0 2 2 75.4

Turnovers- Eli= 1, Brady = 3

4th qtr TD drives- Eli 2, Brady 1

lol at passer ratings. The most worthless stat in all of football. Eli goes 20-39 & 250 against the worse defense in the league where every other QB outside of crappy Sanchez throws for almost 400 yards.Brady goes 28-49 for 342 against a much better defense than Eli faced.

Eli was also without his top receiver and running back. Quit being a sore loser. Brady had 3 turnovers, Eli 1. Giants win. Eli outplayed. There's no debate.

 

[simey]

lol at passer ratings. The most worthless stat in all of football. Eli goes 20-39 & 250 against the worse defense in the league where every other QB outside of crappy Sanchez throws for almost 400 yards.Brady goes 28-49 for 342 against a much better defense than Eli faced.

Wow, you sure are a bad sport. The Giants had the lead all the way up until the 4th quarter, so why should Eli be throwing all over the field with his #1 WR out, his #1 RB out (who is also his best pass catching RB), his #1 center out, and playing with a rusty WR? I would think the Giants were trying to be balanced and take time off the clock, and to keep it out of Bradys hands, although Brady did turn it over three times compared to Eli's one. Brady passed it 10 more times than Eli, and the Giants ran it five more times than the Patriots. Big deal. Aaron Rodgers threw for 247 yards yesterday and in the same game Rivers threw for 385. They both had 4 tds, but Rivers threw three picks. I assume you think Rivers had the better game.

 

[PatsFanCT]

It really bites to be a Giants fan right now. Eli is so horrible, and because of his name, they will never bench him. It will be this way for 7-8 more years.

how does it feel now?

Not sure what you're bumping here. The Giants won today, sure, but not because Manning did anything spectacular. Unless you think getting Pass interference calls for balls being under/over thrown gets your QB props. Manning passed for 100+ yards less than probably any other QB the Pats faced this year. The Giants won despite Manning, or any offensive player for that matter.

Eli made plays when he had to, both his TDs were in the 4th quarter. Stop being a sore loser because Eli stuck it to Brady AGAIN and gave him his first home loss since 2006.Give Eli some credit.

LOL, I give the Giants all the credit in the world. The defense played great. Eli and the offense, outside of Ballard and maybe Cruz, not so much. Stop giving Eli the credit for the win. It's not like he actually outplayed Brady. Hell, nobody on the Giants offense outplayed anyone on the Pats Offense.

Actually, he did.

Care to elaborate on that misconception?

C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT NFL RATING E. Manning 20/39 250 6.4 2 1 77.9

T. Brady 28/49 342 7.0 2 2 75.4

Turnovers- Eli= 1, Brady = 3

4th qtr TD drives- Eli 2, Brady 1

lol at passer ratings. The most worthless stat in all of football. Eli goes 20-39 & 250 against the worse defense in the league where every other QB outside of crappy Sanchez throws for almost 400 yards.Brady goes 28-49 for 342 against a much better defense than Eli faced.

Eli was also without his top receiver and running back. Quit being a sore loser. Brady had 3 turnovers, Eli 1. Giants win. Eli outplayed. There's no debate.

I love seeing everyone drop the "He was missing his best receiver, best RB, etc etc" shtick. Every team has injuries, get over it.

I gave the Giants props for the win. They played better as a team and deserved to win. I also said I liked Eli and that I don't think he's awful. I just think it's odd that this tread was bumped as an example of how great Manning is when he played a pretty pedestrian game.

Like I said. If this was a great game for Eli, then he's already reached his ceiling.

I always thought he could and should be an elite QB and keep waiting for him to be that guy, but somehow he just always falls short of his potential.

This thread has run it's course as far as I'm concerned, so I'm out. However, I will be back to bump it when Eli does have his breakout game.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

He has shown that he can be elite at times. But, for all of us who have followed him or played fantasy football... we know he goes on those streaks where he cant hit the broad side of the barn. It's not the talent that makes him not elite, it's his mental make up and consistency.

 

[Avery]

I love seeing everyone drop the "He was missing his best receiver, best RB, etc etc" shtick. Every team has injuries, get over it.

I gave the Giants props for the win. They played better as a team and deserved to win. I also said I liked Eli and that I don't think he's awful. I just think it's odd that this tread was bumped as an example of how great Manning is when he played a pretty pedestrian game.

Like I said. If this was a great game for Eli, then he's already reached his ceiling.

I always thought he could and should be an elite QB and keep waiting for him to be that guy, but somehow he just always falls short of his potential.

This thread has run it's course as far as I'm concerned, so I'm out. However, I will be back to bump it when Eli does have his breakout game.

I have no idea why I'm engaging someone so biased but...Why is that Shtick? He was missing those guys. Sure, every team has a lot of injuries but there are some big time injuries. The point is, it's not an excuse why Eli didn't win, he stepped up and won under hostile circumstances (playing a team that has been unbeatable at home during the regular season for years) even through he was shorthanded.

That is why he deserves to be mentioned amongst the elite QBs.

Also, I have no idea what if this was a great game that means that he can't get better.

That makes even less sense than your other non-sensical points.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

He has shown that he can be elite at times. But, for all of us who have followed him or played fantasy football... we know he goes on those streaks where he cant hit the broad side of the barn. It's not the talent that makes him not elite, it's his mental make up and consistency.

I agree, physically he could be his brother. What separates them is mental.

 

[Run It Up]

I like Eli alot, I praised him in this thread, but he didnt outplay Brady on Sunday.

The Pats secondary with the exception of Mccourty and Chung is utter garbage, its gonna be uphill for the rest of Brady's career if they cant fix this soon.

 

[Jed]

I like Eli alot, I praised him in this thread, but he didnt outplay Brady on Sunday.The Pats secondary with the exception of Mccourty and Chung is utter garbage, its gonna be uphill for the rest of Brady's career if they cant fix this soon.

With one billion draft picks ahead, they probably will.

 

[Run It Up]

I like Eli alot, I praised him in this thread, but he didnt outplay Brady on Sunday.The Pats secondary with the exception of Mccourty and Chung is utter garbage, its gonna be uphill for the rest of Brady's career if they cant fix this soon.

With one billion draft picks ahead, they probably will.

I was expecting that to happen this year, but instead we just ended up with 3 elite DLine men, hopefully they will stick around.

 

[sycamore]

I like Eli alot, I praised him in this thread, but he didnt outplay Brady on Sunday.The Pats secondary with the exception of Mccourty and Chung is utter garbage, its gonna be uphill for the rest of Brady's career if they cant fix this soon.

Regardless of the secondary the Pats have, Brady had 3 turnovers and didn't lead his team to enough touchdowns to win the game. So one QB played well enough to win and another win did not.

 

[TwinTurbo]

For everyone who thinks that Eli is a terrible QB, could you honestly name 15 QBs that are better?

Eli is a good but not great QB. Giants could do a lot worse and nobody is going to gift them a top 5 guy. So be happy with what you got.

 

[GreenNGold]

Can we change the thread title to Elite Manning?

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Can we change the thread title to Elite Manning?

no

 

[shadyridr]

OOF

 

[shadyridr]

It really bites to be a Giants fan right now. Eli is so horrible, and because of his name, they will never bench him. It will be this way for 7-8 more years.

how does it feel now?

Not sure what you're bumping here. The Giants won today, sure, but not because Manning did anything spectacular. Unless you think getting Pass interference calls for balls being under/over thrown gets your QB props. Manning passed for 100+ yards less than probably any other QB the Pats faced this year. The Giants won despite Manning, or any offensive player for that matter.

Eli made plays when he had to, both his TDs were in the 4th quarter. Stop being a sore loser because Eli stuck it to Brady AGAIN and gave him his first home loss since 2006.Give Eli some credit.

LOL, I give the Giants all the credit in the world. The defense played great. Eli and the offense, outside of Ballard and maybe Cruz, not so much. Stop giving Eli the credit for the win. It's not like he actually outplayed Brady. Hell, nobody on the Giants offense outplayed anyone on the Pats Offense.

Actually, he did.

Care to elaborate on that misconception?

C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT NFL RATING E. Manning 20/39 250 6.4 2 1 77.9

T. Brady 28/49 342 7.0 2 2 75.4

Turnovers- Eli= 1, Brady = 3

4th qtr TD drives- Eli 2, Brady 1

lol at passer ratings. The most worthless stat in all of football. Eli goes 20-39 & 250 against the worse defense in the league where every other QB outside of crappy Sanchez throws for almost 400 yards.Brady goes 28-49 for 342 against a much better defense than Eli faced.

How bout in the rematch?

 

[shadyridr]

Dude is awful. How long does he get a free pass thanks thanks to the SB win?

He sucks.

It really bites to be a Giants fan right now. Eli is so horrible, and because of his name, they will never bench him. It will be this way for 7-8 more years.

If Eli was not a Manning, would he even be a starter in the League?He is not very good at all, not accurate, not a good decision maker, throws a ton of bad balls, dont act like a leader at all, and is a turnover machine.

 

[FavreCo]

Dude is awful. How long does he get a free pass thanks thanks to the SB win?

He sucks.

It really bites to be a Giants fan right now. Eli is so horrible, and because of his name, they will never bench him. It will be this way for 7-8 more years.

If Eli was not a Manning, would he even be a starter in the League?He is not very good at all, not accurate, not a good decision maker, throws a ton of bad balls, dont act like a leader at all, and is a turnover machine.

I'll continue to berate Gomer until he gives me another FF championship. It motivates him.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Yeah I might need to rethink my position here. I still don't think he's elite (I don't consider Roethlisberger elite either) but I think it's way off to say he sucks now.

 

[Popinski]

It really bites to be a Giants fan right now. Eli is so horrible, and because of his name, they will never bench him. It will be this way for 7-8 more years.

how does it feel now?

Not sure what you're bumping here. The Giants won today, sure, but not because Manning did anything spectacular. Unless you think getting Pass interference calls for balls being under/over thrown gets your QB props. Manning passed for 100+ yards less than probably any other QB the Pats faced this year. The Giants won despite Manning, or any offensive player for that matter.

Eli made plays when he had to, both his TDs were in the 4th quarter. Stop being a sore loser because Eli stuck it to Brady AGAIN and gave him his first home loss since 2006.Give Eli some credit.

LOL, I give the Giants all the credit in the world. The defense played great. Eli and the offense, outside of Ballard and maybe Cruz, not so much. Stop giving Eli the credit for the win. It's not like he actually outplayed Brady. Hell, nobody on the Giants offense outplayed anyone on the Pats Offense.

Actually, he did.

Care to elaborate on that misconception?

C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT NFL RATING E. Manning 20/39 250 6.4 2 1 77.9

T. Brady 28/49 342 7.0 2 2 75.4

Turnovers- Eli= 1, Brady = 3

4th qtr TD drives- Eli 2, Brady 1

lol at passer ratings. The most worthless stat in all of football. Eli goes 20-39 & 250 against the worse defense in the league where every other QB outside of crappy Sanchez throws for almost 400 yards.Brady goes 28-49 for 342 against a much better defense than Eli faced.

How bout in the rematch?

Did you see Welker drop the ball? Did you see Gronkowski not bat down the INT?And Brady was doing it with basically a broken left shoulder.

 

[Koya]

How bout in the rematch?

Did you see Welker drop the ball? Did you see Gronkowski not bat down the INT?And Brady was doing it with basically a broken left shoulder.

He probably saw two things. One qb bring it down the field making perfect passes for a game winning drive while the other failed to do so.And the scoreboard (for the second time on this the biggest stage against one another).

 

[Chairshot]

And Brady was doing it with basically a broken left shoulder.

Oh come on. It wasn't a broken shoulder. It was a sprain. On his non-throwing shoulder. I'm sure it caused him considerable pain. And I'm sure it adversely effected him in some way. But the fact is he didn't have a great game overall. He had a pretty good run in the middle of the game but mostly he was jumpy and seemed to force some throws. He got a little unlucky, too. Overall you can't look at that game and say it was a good one for him. I'm sure he wouldn't say it was a good game.ETA: And as far as the Welker drop, I can't believe people are blaming that one on Welker. It would have been a circus catch. It wasn't a very well thrown ball. 95% of the WRs in the league don't make that catch. And on the Gronk ball, it was way, way under thrown. Gronk had his man beat by 2 steps, bad ankle and all. If Brady throws the ball into the end zone, Gronk walks under it for an easy TD. Those 2 throws plus the intentional grounding play make for at least 3 pretty bad mistakes on Brady's part.