weevol said:
Koya said:
I wonder if anyone argued so hard for Trent Dilfer when he won a Super bowl like some are for Eli...so winning a superbowl and actually being a consistant QB for 3 games gets you crowned Denny Green style now?
Im not trying to hate but really....too small and inconsistent a sample size for both guys to be ranking them as high as some folks are ranking them.
I thought the same thing, Dilfer won a super bowl and many may have said the Ravens won "in spite of" Dilfer. The same argument could be made for Eli, though not as strongly.Until this last streak of games by Eli, most Giants fans I know lived in the fear of "oh no! what is Eli going to do to screw this game up". This recent streak may be a sign that he is moving beyond the point of the QB who makes everyone cringe when he drops back to pass. That would be good for the league and the NYG's.
Don't forget folks, just before Eli's "great escape"/helmet catch by Tyree, there was an ill-advised floating pass that was very close to being intercepted on the sidelines by the PATS.
Don't get me wrong, I was rooting for Elisha, but let's not pretend he is flawless just because he won a super bowl! It obviously does not take a QB "great" to win a SB, see earlier Dilfer reference.
Again, Dilfer's situation is not AT ALL comparable to Eli's other than the winning the SB part.Dilfer was a caretaker. Eli was the best offensive player through the course of the playoffs.
Dilfer had to just not lose the game, Eli had numerous KEY drives at PIVOTAL moments of the game (end of half against Dallas, two 80 yard + TD drives ending in TD passes in the 4th quarter to twice retake the lead against NE and others).
Dilfer had a top 5 defense EVER behind him. Eli's D played fantastic, but it was not the Ravens.
Dilfer had a run run run first offense. The Giants are a fairly balanced attack, and Eli did well even when the running game did not in the playoffs.
Dilfer was a known commodity and Eli is still a young, growing QB.
So stop with the Dilfer comparisons. They are not apt.
I agree that Eli > Dilfer. But Eli may have just graduated to the Romo tier, but has certainly not passed him yet. Let's see if Eli's passer rating can crack 90 next year.....Eli-lovers are suffering from "recency" effect, they can only remember what happened yesterday, not 2 yesterdays ago. The real key is tomorrow, in which I believe Romo will continue to put up better numbers and win a higher percentage of games than Eli as he has career to date.
If better QB meant better numbers I would agree with you.As of right now, I think Romo and Eli are very close, but also very different. Romo will put up better numbers but as of right now, it is hard to argue against Eli being the more clutch of the two - not just because of this past month (and while it is a small sample size, it is still somewhat significant. You don't luck into 4 consecutive good to great weeks on the way to a SB against three of the leagues best defenses along the way) but also because of Eli's comebacks throughout his first three seasons starting at QB.
Again, I can certainly see someone taking Romo, but Eli has PROVEN he can handle the pressure and actually win it all. Romo might have it in him, but we have yet to see him win a playoff game, not to say a NFC championship, not to say the SB. To dismiss the fact that Eli actually DID this is foolish imo.
For the most part I can agree with you,
but if being a better QB is not measured by numbers, then what is it measured by, letters??? haircuts??? The recency effect still applies here, Eli overperformed his previous baseline considerably during that playoff stretch, his baseline was about what any mediocre QB's baseline would be. However, Romo's performance baseline is much higher and he underperfomed at the end of the season the past 2 years. Though in my opinion, the underperforming Romo was NOT the downfall of the Cowboys vs. the NYG's in the playoffs this year. Romo has consistenly played at a higher level than Eli, of course I am using "numbers" here.
The only this I can think of that Eli has bested Romo on is that this year Eli FINALLY won a playoff game and now has won the super bowl.
I would rather have Romo.
A QB is measured by how much he enables his team to win. For some, that is clear via stats, for others, not so much. Eli imo falls into the latter - he will never have gaudy stats but I do believe he is a true winner and will help his team win more than QBs with considerably better raw numbers.Stats certainly give you a window into a player's ability and contributions to the team, but only in their correct context. While Eli's stats have been meh at best during his career, he also has shown a clear ability to rise to the occasion in the 4th quarter and pull wins out of a hat. Of course, as Elways once said about his play, if Eli played better during the first 3 quarters, you wouldnt be in the position for so many comebacks... but his ability to rise to the occasion, as a QB and leader of his team, can not go without mention.
That is why I can see why people would take Romo, but Eli's biggest assets are not necessarily the most measurable by stats. Now, if Eli can show that these past weeks are not an exception, and not just rising to the occasion, then I believe he overtakes Romo - although Romo would still likely have better stats.
But as of today, we can not say that. We can assume that will happen, or think it will or debate it but we can not know that next regular season Eli will play like a top 7 QB in the league as his postseason play would indicate.