ELI5: Why I Should Be Scared of Measles If I've Been Vaccinated? (1 Viewer)

[chet]

Are all ~100 cases of measles people who haven't been vaccinated? Are there some people who can't be vaccinated because of existing health conditions (i.e. the Make-a-Wish children)? I am asking from the perspective of personal health instead of the cost of containing the outbreak to the larger population.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

You probably won’t get infected if you’ve been vaccinated, and the risk is even lower if you’ve received both recommended doses. The first dose of the measles vaccine is usually given to infants aged 12 to 15 months, but it’s never too late to get vaccinated, even as an adult, says Johanna Goldfarb, MD, at the Cleveland Clinic Children's Hospital.

The second dose can be given four weeks after the first, but is usually administered between the ages of 4 and 6 years, which is before a child typically starts kindergarten. The vaccine is considered to be 99 percent effective for people who have received both doses, compared to 95 percent for one dose.

 

[Slapdash]

Google down?

 

[TheIronSheik]

Google down?

Pretty good band name.

 

[DCThunder]

Back in the old days (actually not that long ago) most kids got measals (both kinds) and chicken pox essentially as a matter of course. You got to stay home from school and watch "The Price is Right" and "Concentration" on TV, drink flat ginger ale and eat toast with no butter. Ther was no panic about getting the measels, that was reserved for getting the mumps.

 

[chet]

Google down?

Pretty good band name.

Didn't even see his comment until you quoted it. The ignore function is a good thing.

 

[Slapdash]

Google down?

Pretty good band name.

Didn't even see his comment until you quoted it. The ignore function is a good thing.

If only it hid topics that idiots like yourself start.

 

[shader]

Back in the old days (actually not that long ago) most kids got measals (both kinds) and chicken pox essentially as a matter of course. You got to stay home from school and watch "The Price is Right" and "Concentration" on TV, drink flat ginger ale and eat toast with no butter. Ther was no panic about getting the measels, that was reserved for getting the mumps.

Chicken pox was a rite of passage in the 80's/90's, that's for sure. My case was mild, and yeah I got to be home from school for a long time, which was great.

I did feel sorry for the random kids that got it really bad though. They were quite uncomfortable.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Back in the old days (actually not that long ago) most kids got measals (both kinds) and chicken pox essentially as a matter of course. You got to stay home from school and watch "The Price is Right" and "Concentration" on TV, drink flat ginger ale and eat toast with no butter. Ther was no panic about getting the measels, that was reserved for getting the mumps.

Um...

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Between roughly 1855 to 2005 measles has been estimated to have killed about 200 million people worldwide.[74] Measles killed 20 percent of Hawaii's population in the 1850s.[75] In 1875, measles killed over 40,000 Fijians, approximately one-third of the population.[76] In the 19th century, the disease killed 50% of the Andamanese population.[77] In 1954, the virus causing the disease was isolated from an 13-year-old boy from the United States, David Edmonston, and adapted and propagated on chick embryo tissue culture.[78] To date, 21 strains of the measles virus have been identified.[79] While at Merck, Maurice Hilleman developed the first successful vaccine.[80] Licensed vaccines to prevent the disease became available in 1963.[81] An improved measles vaccine became available in 1968.[82]

Maurice Hilleman's measles vaccine is estimated to prevent 1 million deaths every year.[72]

 

[TheIronSheik]

Google down?

Pretty good band name.

Didn't even see his comment until you quoted it. The ignore function is a good thing.

Yikes. Didn't mean to get in the middle of whatever this is. My bad for that. I will agree with you that I'm not a fan when people say "Google down?' I like to think that this forum allows us to not only get questions answered, but it opens up a dialog. Google does not do that.

 

[igbomb]

Back in the old days (actually not that long ago) most kids got measals (both kinds) and chicken pox essentially as a matter of course. You got to stay home from school and watch "The Price is Right" and "Concentration" on TV, drink flat ginger ale and eat toast with no butter. Ther was no panic about getting the measels, that was reserved for getting the mumps.

You do realize that measles and chicken pox are very different illnesses, right? Since 1968 there have been virtually no measles cases in the US until the very recent past few years. It's not a 'matter of course'.

 

[chet]

Google down?

Pretty good band name.

Didn't even see his comment until you quoted it. The ignore function is a good thing.

Yikes. Didn't mean to get in the middle of whatever this is. My bad for that. I will agree with you that I'm not a fan when people say "Google down?' I like to think that this forum allows us to not only get questions answered, but it opens up a dialog. Google does not do that.

No problem at all but I'd encourage you to join the trend and put him on ignore. He's worthless.

 

[Slapdash]

Google down?

Pretty good band name.

Didn't even see his comment until you quoted it. The ignore function is a good thing.

Yikes. Didn't mean to get in the middle of whatever this is. My bad for that. I will agree with you that I'm not a fan when people say "Google down?' I like to think that this forum allows us to not only get questions answered, but it opens up a dialog. Google does not do that.

No problem at all but I'd encourage you to join the trend and put him on ignore. He's worthless.

Man you are still one petty dooshbag.

 

[Gr00vus]

Between roughly 1855 to 2005 measles has been estimated to have killed about 200 million people worldwide.[74] Measles killed 20 percent of Hawaii's population in the 1850s.[75] In 1875, measles killed over 40,000 Fijians, approximately one-third of the population.[76] In the 19th century, the disease killed 50% of the Andamanese population.[77] In 1954, the virus causing the disease was isolated from an 13-year-old boy from the United States, David Edmonston, and adapted and propagated on chick embryo tissue culture.[78] To date, 21 strains of the measles virus have been identified.[79] While at Merck, Maurice Hilleman developed the first successful vaccine.[80] Licensed vaccines to prevent the disease became available in 1963.[81] An improved measles vaccine became available in 1968.[82]

Maurice Hilleman's measles vaccine is estimated to prevent 1 million deaths every year.[72]

But other than that it's a party waiting to happen.

 

[Jack White]

Back in the old days (actually not that long ago) most kids got measals (both kinds) and chicken pox essentially as a matter of course. You got to stay home from school and watch "The Price is Right" and "Concentration" on TV, drink flat ginger ale and eat toast with no butter. Ther was no panic about getting the measels, that was reserved for getting the mumps.

 

[chet]

Back in the old days (actually not that long ago) most kids got measals (both kinds) and chicken pox essentially as a matter of course. You got to stay home from school and watch "The Price is Right" and "Concentration" on TV, drink flat ginger ale and eat toast with no butter. Ther was no panic about getting the measels, that was reserved for getting the mumps.

Huh? Never heard of this as it relates to measles.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Back in the old days (actually not that long ago) most kids got measals (both kinds) and chicken pox essentially as a matter of course. You got to stay home from school and watch "The Price is Right" and "Concentration" on TV, drink flat ginger ale and eat toast with no butter. Ther was no panic about getting the measels, that was reserved for getting the mumps.

Huh? Never heard of this as it relates to measles.

Thats because its made up. I never knew anyone that had measles "back in the old days".

 

[DCThunder]

Back in the old days (actually not that long ago) most kids got measals (both kinds) and chicken pox essentially as a matter of course. You got to stay home from school and watch "The Price is Right" and "Concentration" on TV, drink flat ginger ale and eat toast with no butter. Ther was no panic about getting the measels, that was reserved for getting the mumps.

Huh? Never heard of this as it relates to measles.

Thats because its made up. I never knew anyone that had measles "back in the old days".

I did in the 1950s or early 1960s. Both rubella (aka "German Measles) and rubeola. The vaccine first became available in 1963 and a better version in 1968. I'd had the diseas before that. Is that "old days" enough for you?

 

[chet]

Back in the old days (actually not that long ago) most kids got measals (both kinds) and chicken pox essentially as a matter of course. You got to stay home from school and watch "The Price is Right" and "Concentration" on TV, drink flat ginger ale and eat toast with no butter. Ther was no panic about getting the measels, that was reserved for getting the mumps.

Huh? Never heard of this as it relates to measles.

Thats because its made up. I never knew anyone that had measles "back in the old days".

I did in the 1950s or early 1960s. Both rubella (aka "German Measles) and rubeola. The vaccine first became available in 1963 and a better version in 1968. I'd had the diseas before that. Is that "old days" enough for you?

Please accept my apologies. You are correct.

Anyone born before 1957 has likely had it.

Q: I'm an adult. Do I need a shot?

A: Most likely not. Anyone born before 1957 is thought to be immune because measles was so widespread, and most kids got it. Adults who got the vaccine as kids are OK, too — they are protected for life. However, there was a less-effective vaccine from 1963 to 1967. Anyone who got that vaccine or those who aren't sure they were ever vaccinated can get the shots now.

 

[igbomb]

Back in the old days (actually not that long ago) most kids got measals (both kinds) and chicken pox essentially as a matter of course. You got to stay home from school and watch "The Price is Right" and "Concentration" on TV, drink flat ginger ale and eat toast with no butter. Ther was no panic about getting the measels, that was reserved for getting the mumps.

Huh? Never heard of this as it relates to measles.

Thats because its made up. I never knew anyone that had measles "back in the old days".

I did in the 1950s or early 1960s. Both rubella (aka "German Measles) and rubeola. The vaccine first became available in 1963 and a better version in 1968. I'd had the diseas before that. Is that "old days" enough for you?

Holy crap you're old.

 

[DCThunder]

Back in the old days (actually not that long ago) most kids got measals (both kinds) and chicken pox essentially as a matter of course. You got to stay home from school and watch "The Price is Right" and "Concentration" on TV, drink flat ginger ale and eat toast with no butter. Ther was no panic about getting the measels, that was reserved for getting the mumps.

Huh? Never heard of this as it relates to measles.

Thats because its made up. I never knew anyone that had measles "back in the old days".

I did in the 1950s or early 1960s. Both rubella (aka "German Measles) and rubeola. The vaccine first became available in 1963 and a better version in 1968. I'd had the diseas before that. Is that "old days" enough for you?

Please accept my apologies. You are correct.

Anyone born before 1957 has likely had it.

Q: I'm an adult. Do I need a shot?

A: Most likely not. Anyone born before 1957 is thought to be immune because measles was so widespread, and most kids got it. Adults who got the vaccine as kids are OK, too — they are protected for life. However, there was a less-effective vaccine from 1963 to 1967. Anyone who got that vaccine or those who aren't sure they were ever vaccinated can get the shots now.

Thank you, good ser!

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

If you don't get vaccinated you shouldn't be allowed to go to public schools. Shouldn't be allowed health care. Simple

 

[Jack White]

If you don't get vaccinated you shouldn't be allowed to go to public schools. Shouldn't be allowed health care. Simple

Excellent use of the passive voice.

Appropriate, since you apparently believe people shouldn't be free to live their own lives as they see fit.

 

[Cjw_55106]

If you don't get vaccinated you shouldn't be allowed to go to public schools. Shouldn't be allowed health care. Simple

Excellent use of the passive voice.

Appropriate, since you apparently believe people shouldn't be free to live their own lives as they see fit.

Thats not how I read it. I read it to say, do what you want, but don't expect others to have to deal with any fall out.

 

[igbomb]

If you don't get vaccinated you shouldn't be allowed to go to public schools. Shouldn't be allowed health care. Simple

Excellent use of the passive voice.

Appropriate, since you apparently believe people shouldn't be free to live their own lives as they see fit.

Unless they are a true anarchist, no one believes this.

 

[NutterButter]

No problem at all but I'd encourage you to join the trend and put him on ignore. He's worthless.

Man you are still one petty dooshbag.

I'm staying out of this

 

[Jack White]

If you don't get vaccinated you shouldn't be allowed to go to public schools. Shouldn't be allowed health care. Simple

Excellent use of the passive voice.Appropriate, since you apparently believe people shouldn't be free to live their own lives as they see fit.

Unless they are a true anarchist, no one believes this.

I don't think you have to be an anarchist to oppose forced vaccinations.

 

[matuski]

No problem at all but I'd encourage you to join the trend and put him on ignore. He's worthless.

Man you are still one petty dooshbag.

I'm staying out of this

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Back in the old days (actually not that long ago) most kids got measals (both kinds) and chicken pox essentially as a matter of course. You got to stay home from school and watch "The Price is Right" and "Concentration" on TV, drink flat ginger ale and eat toast with no butter. Ther was no panic about getting the measels, that was reserved for getting the mumps.

Huh? Never heard of this as it relates to measles.

Thats because its made up. I never knew anyone that had measles "back in the old days".

I did in the 1950s or early 1960s. Both rubella (aka "German Measles) and rubeola. The vaccine first became available in 1963 and a better version in 1968. I'd had the diseas before that. Is that "old days" enough for you?

The Price is Right premiered in 1972.

 

[boots11234]

Back in the old days (actually not that long ago) most kids got measals (both kinds) and chicken pox essentially as a matter of course. You got to stay home from school and watch "The Price is Right" and "Concentration" on TV, drink flat ginger ale and eat toast with no butter. Ther was no panic about getting the measels, that was reserved for getting the mumps.

Huh? Never heard of this as it relates to measles.

Thats because its made up. I never knew anyone that had measles "back in the old days".

I did in the 1950s or early 1960s. Both rubella (aka "German Measles) and rubeola. The vaccine first became available in 1963 and a better version in 1968. I'd had the diseas before that. Is that "old days" enough for you?

The Price is Right premiered in 1972.

Cut him some slack, he's probably remembering howdy duty, but is confused. I

 

[uconnalum]

If you go to a K - 8 school there is no guarantee that a child who has been vaccinated will not get measles from a non-vaccinated child. They will allow that risk but will not allow children to bring Peanut Butter to school due to a child's peanut allergy. Both have the same consequence.

 

[DaVinci]

Back in the old days (actually not that long ago) most kids got measals (both kinds) and chicken pox essentially as a matter of course. You got to stay home from school and watch "The Price is Right" and "Concentration" on TV, drink flat ginger ale and eat toast with no butter. Ther was no panic about getting the measels, that was reserved for getting the mumps.

Huh? Never heard of this as it relates to measles.

Thats because its made up. I never knew anyone that had measles "back in the old days".

I did in the 1950s or early 1960s. Both rubella (aka "German Measles) and rubeola. The vaccine first became available in 1963 and a better version in 1968. I'd had the diseas before that. Is that "old days" enough for you?

The Price is Right premiered in 1972.

Cut him some slack, he's probably remembering howdy duty, but is confused. I

"Howdy duty" is the job description for a Walmart greeter.

 

[renesauz]

If you don't get vaccinated you shouldn't be allowed to go to public schools. Shouldn't be allowed health care. Simple

Excellent use of the passive voice.Appropriate, since you apparently believe people shouldn't be free to live their own lives as they see fit.

Unless they are a true anarchist, no one believes this.

I don't think you have to be an anarchist to oppose forced vaccinations.

Anyone who opposes vaccinations is a fool welcome to live well away from me and my family

 

[GroveDiesel]

Someone on Facebook posted an article from some whack job website that claimed that the measles was being spread by people that were vaccinated.

I unfriended her.

 

[El Floppo]

If you go to a K - 8 school there is no guarantee that a child who has been vaccinated will not get measles from a non-vaccinated child. They will allow that risk but will not allow children to bring Peanut Butter to school due to a child's peanut allergy. Both have the same consequence.

This is not true in NYC. No vaccinations means no public school for you.

That said, my son caught a nice batch of Scarlet Fever in kindergarten. Straight out of Dickens, that one.

Follow up to the OP... How many of the current measles cases are people who HAVE been vaccinated?

 

[El Floppo]

If you don't get vaccinated you shouldn't be allowed to go to public schools. Shouldn't be allowed health care. Simple

I agree about the schools, see above post.

But health care?

 

[jhib]

If you go to a K - 8 school there is no guarantee that a child who has been vaccinated will not get measles from a non-vaccinated child. They will allow that risk but will not allow children to bring Peanut Butter to school due to a child's peanut allergy. Both have the same consequence.

This is not true in NYC. No vaccinations means no public school for you.

Unfortunately, it's not all that hard to take advantage of the religious exemption.

 

[Jack White]

If you don't get vaccinated you shouldn't be allowed to go to public schools. Shouldn't be allowed health care. Simple

Excellent use of the passive voice.Appropriate, since you apparently believe people shouldn't be free to live their own lives as they see fit.

Unless they are a true anarchist, no one believes this.

I don't think you have to be an anarchist to oppose forced vaccinations.

Anyone who opposes vaccinations is a fool welcome to live well away from me and my family

Opposing vaccinations and opposing *forced* vaccinations are two entirely different things.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Follow up to the OP... How many of the current measles cases are people who HAVE been vaccinated?

The CDC is still working on the epidemiology.

As of Jan 21st, they had documented the vaccination status of 34 of the 59 confirmed cases to that date in California. 28 were unvaccinated, 1 had received a single dose and five had received two doses.

Generally, updates on current epidemics happen every two weeks, so I think we'll get updated numbers soon.

In past epidemics, about 8-10% of infected people were documented to have received two doses of vaccine.

Studies on the MMR vaccine show 3% of folks who are appropriately vaccinated will not produce antibodies and are at risk of illness. So, it would only take exposing 165 vaccinated people to measles to see five people infected. That's one reason why herd immunity is so important.

 

[Psychopav]

I like being referred to as part of a herd.

Moo! Amiright?

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

How does a parent have the right not to vaccinate their children? Seat belt laws, drinking until 21, anti drug laws these are implemented on the state or federal level. Same should be for vaccinations.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

I think the vaccines do not work 100%. I got the measles and mumps when I was a kid even though I was vaccinated for both.

 

[El Floppo]

Follow up to the OP... How many of the current measles cases are people who HAVE been vaccinated?

The CDC is still working on the epidemiology.

As of Jan 21st, they had documented the vaccination status of 34 of the 59 confirmed cases to that date in California. 28 were unvaccinated, 1 had received a single dose and five had received two doses.

Generally, updates on current epidemics happen every two weeks, so I think we'll get updated numbers soon.

In past epidemics, about 8-10% of infected people were documented to have received two doses of vaccine.

Studies on the MMR vaccine show 3% of folks who are appropriately vaccinated will not produce antibodies and are at risk of illness. So, it would only take exposing 165 vaccinated people to measles to see five people infected. That's one reason why herd immunity is so important.

I was hoping you'd chime in, gb.

Great stuff as always, baby-doc Duvaiier

 

[chet]

I think the vaccines do not work 100%. I got the measles and mumps when I was a kid even though I was vaccinated for both.

What year?

 

[CowboysFromHell]

If you go to a K - 8 school there is no guarantee that a child who has been vaccinated will not get measles from a non-vaccinated child. They will allow that risk but will not allow children to bring Peanut Butter to school due to a child's peanut allergy. Both have the same consequence.

Those risks are clearly different.

Chances of a vaccinated child getting the disease = 8-10%

Chances of a child with peanut allergies having a reaction to peanut butter = 100%

 

[(HULK)]

First off, let me say that I am strongly in favor of vaccinations.

I'm not immune to measles. I was 15 months when I got the MMR shot, and it resulted in me being paralyzed for 5 days. I don't really know why, but I do know my pediatrician never gave me the booster due to the complications I had experienced.

So now, I'm at risk because some quack and Jenny McCarthy decide to crusade against one of the greatest health advancements mankind has made. Thanks #####.

Get your kids vaccinated

 

[Jack White]

Ron Paul on this:

If I were still a practicing ob-gyn and one of my patients said she was not going to vaccinate her child, I might try to persuade her to change her mind. But, if I were unsuccessful, I would respect her decision. I certainly would not lobby the government to pass a law mandating that children be vaccinated even if the children’s parents object. Sadly, the recent panic over the outbreak of measles has led many Americans, including some self-styled libertarians, to call for giving government new powers to force all children to be vaccinated.

Those who are willing to make an “exception” to the principle that parents should make health care decisions for their children should ask themselves when in history has a “limited” infringement on individual liberty stayed limited. By ceding the principle that individuals have the right to make their own health care decisions, supporters of mandatory vaccines are opening the door for future infringements on health freedom.

If government can mandate that children receive vaccines, then why shouldn’t the government mandate that adults receive certain types of vaccines? And if it is the law that individuals must be vaccinated, then why shouldn’t police officers be empowered to physically force resisters to receive a vaccine? If the fear of infections from the unvaccinated justifies mandatory vaccine laws, then why shouldn’t police offices fine or arrest people who don’t wash their hands or cover their noses or mouths when they cough or sneeze in public? Why not force people to eat right and take vitamins in order to lower their risk of contracting an infectious disease? These proposals may seem outlandish, but they are no different in principle from the proposal that government force children to be vaccinated.

By giving vaccine companies a captive market, mandates encourage these companies to use their political influence to expand the amount of vaccine mandates. An example of how vaccine mandates may have led politics to override sound science is from my home state of Texas. In 2007, the then-Texas governor signed an executive order forcing eleven and twelve year old girls to receive the human papilloma virus (HPV) vaccine, even though most young girls are not at risk of HPV. The Texas legislature passed legislation undoing the order following a massive public outcry, fueled by revelations that the governor’s former chief of staff was a top lobbyist for the company that manufactured the HPV vaccine.

The same principles that protect the right to refuse vaccines also protect the right of individuals to refuse to associate with the unvaccinated. Private property owners have the right to forbid those who reject vaccines from entering their property. This right extends to private businesses concerned that unvaccinated individuals could pose a risk to their employees and customers. Consistent application of the principles of private property, freedom of association, and individual responsibility is the best way to address concerns that those who refuse vaccines could infect others with disease.

Giving the government the power to override parental decisions regarding vaccines will inevitably lead to further restrictions on liberties. After all, if government can override parental or personal health care decisions, then what area of our lives is off-limits to government interference? Concerns about infection from the unvaccinated can be addressed by consistent application of the principles of private property and freedom of association. Instead of justifying new government intrusion into our lives, the vaccine debate provides more evidence of the need to restore respect for private property and individual liberty.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

Ron Paul on this:

If I were still a practicing ob-gyn and one of my patients said she was not going to vaccinate her child, I might try to persuade her to change her mind. But, if I were unsuccessful, I would respect her decision. I certainly would not lobby the government to pass a law mandating that children be vaccinated even if the children’s parents object. Sadly, the recent panic over the outbreak of measles has led many Americans, including some self-styled libertarians, to call for giving government new powers to force all children to be vaccinated.

Those who are willing to make an “exception” to the principle that parents should make health care decisions for their children should ask themselves when in history has a “limited” infringement on individual liberty stayed limited. By ceding the principle that individuals have the right to make their own health care decisions, supporters of mandatory vaccines are opening the door for future infringements on health freedom.

If government can mandate that children receive vaccines, then why shouldn’t the government mandate that adults receive certain types of vaccines? And if it is the law that individuals must be vaccinated, then why shouldn’t police officers be empowered to physically force resisters to receive a vaccine? If the fear of infections from the unvaccinated justifies mandatory vaccine laws, then why shouldn’t police offices fine or arrest people who don’t wash their hands or cover their noses or mouths when they cough or sneeze in public? Why not force people to eat right and take vitamins in order to lower their risk of contracting an infectious disease? These proposals may seem outlandish, but they are no different in principle from the proposal that government force children to be vaccinated.

By giving vaccine companies a captive market, mandates encourage these companies to use their political influence to expand the amount of vaccine mandates. An example of how vaccine mandates may have led politics to override sound science is from my home state of Texas. In 2007, the then-Texas governor signed an executive order forcing eleven and twelve year old girls to receive the human papilloma virus (HPV) vaccine, even though most young girls are not at risk of HPV. The Texas legislature passed legislation undoing the order following a massive public outcry, fueled by revelations that the governor’s former chief of staff was a top lobbyist for the company that manufactured the HPV vaccine.

The same principles that protect the right to refuse vaccines also protect the right of individuals to refuse to associate with the unvaccinated. Private property owners have the right to forbid those who reject vaccines from entering their property. This right extends to private businesses concerned that unvaccinated individuals could pose a risk to their employees and customers. Consistent application of the principles of private property, freedom of association, and individual responsibility is the best way to address concerns that those who refuse vaccines could infect others with disease.

Giving the government the power to override parental decisions regarding vaccines will inevitably lead to further restrictions on liberties. After all, if government can override parental or personal health care decisions, then what area of our lives is off-limits to government interference? Concerns about infection from the unvaccinated can be addressed by consistent application of the principles of private property and freedom of association. Instead of justifying new government intrusion into our lives, the vaccine debate provides more evidence of the need to restore respect for private property and individual liberty.

A whole lot of fear-mongering there on the "slippery slope".

Also, the bolded statement is interesting if we compare it to the bakery that won't make a cake for a gay couple.

 

[DCThunder]

Back in the old days (actually not that long ago) most kids got measals (both kinds) and chicken pox essentially as a matter of course. You got to stay home from school and watch "The Price is Right" and "Concentration" on TV, drink flat ginger ale and eat toast with no butter. Ther was no panic about getting the measels, that was reserved for getting the mumps.

Huh? Never heard of this as it relates to measles.

Thats because its made up. I never knew anyone that had measles "back in the old days".

I did in the 1950s or early 1960s. Both rubella (aka "German Measles) and rubeola. The vaccine first became available in 1963 and a better version in 1968. I'd had the diseas before that. Is that "old days" enough for you?

The Price is Right premiered in 1972.

Oh yeah?

"The Price Is Right is a television game show franchise originally produced by Mark Goodson and Bill Todman, and created by Bob Stewart, and is currently produced and owned by FremantleMedia. The franchise centers on television game shows, but also includes merchandise such as video games, printed media and board games. The franchise began in 1956 as a television game show hosted by Bill Cullen and was revamped in 1972. This version was originally hosted by Bob Barker. Since 2007, Drew Carey has hosted the program."