George Jefferson Airplane
Footballguy
I really liked episode 1 but 2 and 3 were also excellent. The footage they are showing of when OJ was on talk shows and stuff is fascinating.
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ESPN 30 for 30: O.J. Made in America (1 Viewer)
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Don't Noonan
Footballguy
I am guessing this is included in Part 4 tonight. I heard they show never before seen photographs of the murders including an up close photo of the large gash in Nicole's neck. The outline of how the attack took place should be interesting.
Yea, very graphic photo of her throat straight slit. It instantly brought me to tears. Also the huge puncture in Golman's neck.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Danny Bakewell is about as black as Rachel Dolezal.
I said the same thing up thread. He's even got that phony "jive turkey" overly black voice from the 70s blaxploitation movies.
Sconch
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
cannot get the crime scene photos out of my mind. absolute brutality.
Todem
Footballguy
The entire spectacle of how this case was flipped on its ear for a civil rights movement was beyond comprehension.
Seeing the crime scene photos and the brutality of it all and knowing, absolutely knowing this sociopathic lunatic OJ did it.....makes it all the more tragic what these numb nut jurors did and how low and dispicable Johnny Cochran conducted himself by exploiting the racial tension going on with the LAPD.
But Karma has a way of coming around and it did for good ol Johnny.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
It's breathtaking hiw badly this case got blown. They haven't blown up Ito enough imo though.
The defense played dirty but ultimately their job is to give their client the best defense possible. They brought the goods and even when over the top did the over the top things with a purpose.
The prosecution failed because of their own pride ultimately. And some hella bad luck (I mean the Furman tapes - comically ridiculous). Garcetti with venue choice. Clark basically ignoring the jury consultant when it came to picking jurors. Darden literally allowing the accused to manipulate physical evidence - the gloves.
Though I do ponder how some on the defense side - especially the agent guy who suggested he not take his arthritis meds - can sleep at night.
-QG
The defense played dirty but ultimately their job is to give their client the best defense possible. They brought the goods and even when over the top did the over the top things with a purpose.
The prosecution failed because of their own pride ultimately. And some hella bad luck (I mean the Furman tapes - comically ridiculous). Garcetti with venue choice. Clark basically ignoring the jury consultant when it came to picking jurors. Darden literally allowing the accused to manipulate physical evidence - the gloves.
Though I do ponder how some on the defense side - especially the agent guy who suggested he not take his arthritis meds - can sleep at night.
-QG
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Those crime scene photos were horrific. They said her wound was so deep it hit her cervical vertabrae. HFS. And he hacked the #### outta Goldman. How sociopathic and brazen does OJ have to be to attend Nicole's funeral.
The whole Bronco chase too. Until he got caught, I never remember hearing just where he was trying to escape to.
The whole Bronco chase too. Until he got caught, I never remember hearing just where he was trying to escape to.
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BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Psychopav
Help us, Joebi-Wan Brynobi, you're our only ho
They kind of glossed over it but losing a daughter, especially under this circumstances and where you spent far less time with her than a normal dad, had to have a profound effect. He and the documentary didn't give any indication that it changed him at all.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
"I don't have any respect for a woman that takes an ### whoppin and goes back to the war zone". A did that really just happen moment.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I don't know about that. I got the impression the doc was saying that Simpson changed his life after that, he blamed his wife, blamed himself, changed his whole life around, got a divorce, started dating Nicole, got married to her.... it seemed like he created a whole new world for himself and a whole new self.... then things fell apart with Nicole.
Kafka
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Well this brought some anger back to the fore. Some kid is walking around in a hand-made Buffalo Bills Simpson 32 jersey tonight. I wanted to slap his small ### and kick it from the entrance to the exit but actually didn't care enough in the end to get into a hassle about some case so laden with celebrity bull#### that it demeans everyone involved and watching...sick
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Mario Kart
Footballguy
I've been looking for a Milwaukee Brewers Sidd Finch jersey. Can't find one. I'm gonna have to make it.
rockaction
Footballguy
Heh. Wasn't Finch the Mets, anyway?
Regardless, kid was walking around the Father's Day card section with a hand-made shirt, which I respect as a punk rocker but hate politically.
FishTacoTuesday
Footballguy
What the hell does this mean? Fuhrman isn't perfect, but he is universally accepted as a very good cop and a subject expert on policing. Only a cockroach would think he was in any way like Orenthal James Simpson.cockroach said:
Now F. Lee Bailey...
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Maybe you missed on the tapes where he said he'd love to kill people and he thought he was god.What the hell does this mean? Fuhrman isn't perfect, but he is universally accepted as a very good cop and a subject expert on policing. Only a cockroach would think he was in any way like Orenthal James Simpson.
Now F. Lee Bailey...
FishTacoTuesday
Footballguy
Meh, those were mostly anti-woman and were recorded a long time ago. He's a chauvinist, maybe a little racist, but comparing him to OJ who murdered two people with a seems like a real stretch. But I have no reference point for how you come up with analogies.
FishTacoTuesday
Footballguy
$3 million in autograph sales while he was on trial. 
We're a sick society!
We're a sick society!
LOL, a little racist? You can take the "N word" completely out of those tapes and he's still portraying himself as a raging racist. Universally accepted as a good cop? You're just trolling me and I'm taking the bait. Good job.
FishTacoTuesday
Footballguy
He's a decorated detective who is a best selling author and is often used as an expert now in LE-related content on all the major networks.
Did you ever say things in private that you would never say in public or to anyone but your inner circle? I know I have, and everyone else has too. His bragging to some bimbo he was nailing is pretty much what you are basing your entire opinion on, that makes you weak IMO.
If you don't think he tortured people and planted evidence and thought of himself as god as he says on those tapes, then I guess I can see why my analogy doesn't work for you. My opinion is actually mostly influenced by what I know first had of the LAPD actually.
FishTacoTuesday
Footballguy
bigmarc27
Footballguy
The two jurors and OJ's agent come off the worst to me. The jurors "yeah, we let him off as payback for Rodney King" was pretty telling. People have claimed stuff like that for years but to have them come out and admit it is pretty bold. As far as his agent, they almost portray him as a sympathetic figure, but he's just full of ####. At one point he admitted he thought OJ did it, he claimed OJ essentially told him how he did it when they were smoking pot, and then he decided to continue to help him cover up assets.
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Peyton Marino
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[scooter]
Footballguy
There's evidence of the narcissism all the way back to the USC days. Maybe the only reason he didn't beat his first wife was because she followed orders and behaved the way he wanted her to behave? Also, part of the reason that he beat Nicole was because he was jealous and afraid she would cheat on him. Maybe he was never concerned about his first wife cheating on him because she wasn't as attractive as Nicole was?
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Juror # 9 is absolutely amazing to me. She is obviously very proud of acquitting OJ. She admitted the reason she voted to acquit was for payback to Rodney King. Two wrongs don't make a right. And it isn't apples to apples, OJ murdered 2 people, Rodney King lived. Her smug attitude was what stuck out to me. Disgusting.
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
I thought the bookends of this were exceptional. I liked all the background on OJ from his childhood friends and the stories that painted a picture of who he was, and the path he was on. The final installment was interesting because I hadn't heard any of it before. All the post-trial stuff, the person he became, and the details around the arrest I had never looked into before.
I remember living in Germany during the trial and I didn't have American TV (AFN) at the time, so I had Sky TV and like Eurosport. I watched the trial every day, because I had to. I remember the chase, we watched it on our military police post because we were actually trying to watch the damn NBA finals and then that happened. So this was an incredible story, especially for a monster sports fan who knew of OJ's legend on the field, and his days jumping over stuff at the airport when he was finished playing.
Juror #9, Tom Riccio, OJ stealing Al Cowlings gf and then marrying her, all the photos of him and celebrities, the wedding stuff, the modeling photos of Nicole, Bea Arthur calling him the greatest black guy ever, and maybe the best thing was the raspy voiced childhood friend. Pretty compelling TV for sure, and it would have been a lot more interesting had FX not just finished with their OJ made-for-TV thing they did.
I remember living in Germany during the trial and I didn't have American TV (AFN) at the time, so I had Sky TV and like Eurosport. I watched the trial every day, because I had to. I remember the chase, we watched it on our military police post because we were actually trying to watch the damn NBA finals and then that happened. So this was an incredible story, especially for a monster sports fan who knew of OJ's legend on the field, and his days jumping over stuff at the airport when he was finished playing.
Juror #9, Tom Riccio, OJ stealing Al Cowlings gf and then marrying her, all the photos of him and celebrities, the wedding stuff, the modeling photos of Nicole, Bea Arthur calling him the greatest black guy ever, and maybe the best thing was the raspy voiced childhood friend. Pretty compelling TV for sure, and it would have been a lot more interesting had FX not just finished with their OJ made-for-TV thing they did.
Txns8
Footballguy
Interesting that it was also a timing thing. They have been away from friends, family, home, etc. for 8+ months. At that point they didn't care about getting it right, only getting it done.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
O.J. hinted in "If I Did It" that there was an accomplice. Maybe that's why the glove did not fit?
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Oh! Forgot about this part when I was ranting about his agent. His agent told him not to take his arthritis meds so his hands would swell. That's incredible to me that he admitted that. I had never heard that before - one of the jaw dropping admissions people stated in this documentary. I'm guessing it wouldn't have happened if OJ weren't behind bars.
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also also - giving him the same jail term as the dollars owed from the civil suit. That's funny.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
I'm not saying I agree with the jurors but I understand the thought process. In their minds this was their chance to get a win for the black team. As crazy and up in arms white people were (are) about this verdict, for black people that type of crazy verdict was called Tuesday when it involved a black defendant.
Right or wrong this was their chance to say, "see America? This is what we deal with every single day when black people are just pushed through the system of injustice, dealing with corrupt cops and having a jury with a made up mind when they see a black defendant."
...but OJ still lost the 5th qtr
Right or wrong this was their chance to say, "see America? This is what we deal with every single day when black people are just pushed through the system of injustice, dealing with corrupt cops and having a jury with a made up mind when they see a black defendant."
...but OJ still lost the 5th qtr
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Agreed. Juror #9 might have a screw loose but she was brutally honest in her comments and very revealing.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
And the prosecution was completely naive about the thought process of the black jurors. It's bad enough that they assumed that black women would hate O.J., but they were in complete denial about the whole idea of jury nullification. And how the hell did they not know about Mark Führerman before the trial even started? They could have addressed it on day one and moved along.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
The documentary while good was fairly bloated and could have been edited in half. That said I'm not upset I fell for a little over hype.
Carl Douglas is still alive but both Cochrane and Shapiro passed away, Barry Scheck was honest, F.Lee Bailey seems like he might have a little loss of brain there in his old age, they really did get pennies from heaven with Mark F and his racial slurs on audio tape. I didn't feel one shred of sympathy for him though when he said his life was ruined because of that trial.
There is no doubt when you hear the white male prosecutor describe how he feels the murder went down that it felt pretty logical when you have had a chance to just view the evidence without the media circus. To me the cut on OJs middle finger consistent with the blood trail just to the left of the left shoe print and then the drops continue along with the footprints, blood all over his car, residence, some of it Nicole, some Goldman, just anyone else under the sun would have fried in prison.
Is there any remorse from the Black community in how this and their folks were used by OJ and the defense team? Zero from the clips I saw. 70% whites thought he was guilty, 70% blacks thought he was innocent, that trial was and still is a microcosm of race in this country.
"if the jury was Latino we would have had OJ wearing a sombrero"
-Carl Douglas
Carl Douglas is still alive but both Cochrane and Shapiro passed away, Barry Scheck was honest, F.Lee Bailey seems like he might have a little loss of brain there in his old age, they really did get pennies from heaven with Mark F and his racial slurs on audio tape. I didn't feel one shred of sympathy for him though when he said his life was ruined because of that trial.
There is no doubt when you hear the white male prosecutor describe how he feels the murder went down that it felt pretty logical when you have had a chance to just view the evidence without the media circus. To me the cut on OJs middle finger consistent with the blood trail just to the left of the left shoe print and then the drops continue along with the footprints, blood all over his car, residence, some of it Nicole, some Goldman, just anyone else under the sun would have fried in prison.
Is there any remorse from the Black community in how this and their folks were used by OJ and the defense team? Zero from the clips I saw. 70% whites thought he was guilty, 70% blacks thought he was innocent, that trial was and still is a microcosm of race in this country.
"if the jury was Latino we would have had OJ wearing a sombrero"
-Carl Douglas
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Same person who waits until all the groceries are tallied and then seems surprised the clerk is asking for money or payment. Then the 12 digit security code to the purse is entered and a dusty vault opens up out of the middle with a thick overused checkbook.
Same person who sits at a stoplight for a full 5-10 seconds after it turns green and then when you toot after the 3rd car from the next lane over clears the light and she extends her middle finger at you.
Same person who has to use her ATM/Debit card 5 times at the ATM to check balances, move money between accounts, pay bills, remove cash, all with an active balance of $32.67
Premier
Footballguy
Both whites and blacks, on the whole, have become more certain of his guilt over the past 20 years. I think more than 90% of whites now think he did it, and more than 50% of blacks now think so as well.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I would have liked a warning on that, just brutal and the little stabs in the face of Goldman seemed to imply or was even said as perhaps OJ taunted Ron with what he did or was in the act of doing...I always wondered how he killed them simultaneously but obviously watching it as it was presented seems clear Nicole was 1st and poor Ron was simply wrong place wrong time regardless of well he knew NBS.Premier said:The picture of Nicole's sliced neck was
I also think OJ could have seen Ron 1st on his way to the door and intercepted him and then NBS comes out of the house and bang. But I'll trust the prosecution has had a long time to think about it.
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