Espn reporting Goodell confirmed Patriots using camera (1 Viewer)

[David Yudkin]

You have to wonder if the league was looking specifically to catch the Pats in the act since they seem to one of the main offenders.

Here's the thing. If the league wanted to make a real issue of this, they would have spelled out what the penalties would be for non-compliance. The issue I'm sure the Pats will raise (if they feel like they were slighted in the decision) is that there are no provisions spelled out for what the punishment would be for not following the rules.At least with the CBA, everything is spelled out within at the minimum a framework of what the rules and penalties are.

 

[cobalt_27]

Well I'm a Pats fan and I'm kind of ticked off about this. Team is too freaking good to need to resort to this. I don't know if its just arrogance that they thought they could get away with it or whether most other teams in the league are doing it as well and they just felt like they needed to stay at an even level. Regardless this is unnecesary BS and Im not going to sugar coat it because its cheating plain and simple. Takes something away from a huge win on Sunday, they don't need this.

See, this guy gets it.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

My current thinking is John Clayton probably has it right, a big fine and a #3 and #5.

If thats what it costs... I would encourage other teams (not my Steelers though) to do the same things while trying to win a SB or three.They would be a fool if they didnt. Teams like the Lions or Browns should follow suit and try to get over on a super bowl win at that rate.

Money for someone like Kraft or Snyder or Jones means nothing. It would have to be 5+ million to leave a bruise. 10 million to hurt.

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

Goodell has to make sure it doenst ever happen again. And a #3 and a #5 just won't accomplish that goal with any certainty.

 

[Marc Levin]

O/U on number of pages before this actually falls off the front page?

I predict 10

 

[Keys Myaths]

You have to wonder if the league was looking specifically to catch the Pats in the act since they seem to one of the main offenders.

Here's the thing. If the league wanted to make a real issue of this, they would have spelled out what the penalties would be for non-compliance. The issue I'm sure the Pats will raise (if they feel like they were slighted in the decision) is that there are no provisions spelled out for what the punishment would be for not following the rules.

Are you saying the league should have penalties set out for each specific offense?Where in the CBA did it spell out a suspension period for making it rain?

 

[AB in DC]

The league may try to suspend Belichick, but I doubt that would have much effect unless they lock him up at game time and prevent him from doing anything when the Pats are playing. If not, he could sit and watch the game on TV and do everything he does on the field by phone.

And, he could put cameramen on the sidelines of the opposing team to get a sense of what's going on.Oh wait...

Wait, so people actually believe that guy on the Jets' sideline surrounded by Jets players and staff is the cameraman in question??

 

[jon_mx]

IMO, many (maybe even most) teams try to steal/crack signals in some way, shape, or form. The Pats broke the no camera rule. Is this that much out of bounds to what others are or have been doing? Probably not . . . the differnce is they got caught.

I would bet Tony Dungy doesn't do it. I seriously doubt any teams go to the extent it looks like the Pats did. Oddly, from all the teams coming forward, it seems this has been standard operating procedures for NE. If you cheat against the Jets, you probably cheat every chance you get. It tarnishes everything the Patriots had accomplished, which is too bad for Brady.

 

[Banger]

The league may try to suspend Belichick, but I doubt that would have much effect unless they lock him up at game time and prevent him from doing anything when the Pats are playing. If not, he could sit and watch the game on TV and do everything he does on the field by phone.

And, he could put cameramen on the sidelines of the opposing team to get a sense of what's going on.Oh wait...

Wait, so people actually believe that guy on the Jets' sideline surrounded by Jets players and staff is the cameraman in question??

yes that's where they took him off the field....

 

[Marc Levin]

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

It's the first time they got caught, so it really is a first offense - you don't get harsher penalties for first time DUI just b/c you were accused of doling it on prior occasions.I am unsure of the rules from prior years - was this a rule violation last year?A 3 and 5 will be set as the starting point for any team caught doing this and is too light to work as discouragement, so I think two 3s, a hefty fine and a serious consideration of suspending BB for a game or two should be the penalty.Then again, ANY team getting ANY penalty may be enough for teams to not do this. If the league continues to catch folks, it can raise the penalties next year and put themk in writing - state they will crack down with serious penalties for even first offenses.

 

[Keys Myaths]

My current thinking is John Clayton probably has it right, a big fine and a #3 and #5.

If thats what it costs... I would encourage other teams (not my Steelers though) to do the same things while trying to win a SB or three.They would be a fool if they didnt. Teams like the Lions or Browns should follow suit and try to get over on a super bowl win at that rate.

Money for someone like Kraft or Snyder or Jones means nothing. It would have to be 5+ million to leave a bruise. 10 million to hurt.

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

Goodell has to make sure it doenst ever happen again. And a #3 and a #5 just won't accomplish that goal with any certainty.

Can you make your sig bigger? I can't quite read it.

 

[AB in DC]

If the Patriots were just pointing a camera, I doubt there is much done except a fine. If there was actual proof that something was done to electronically get into the opposing teams communications systems, then you have a much bigger and complicated problem. No real proof of anything yet. As of right now, typical media spin that over blows everything.

 

[pizzatyme]

This is really troubling to me. As a NFL fan first, and an avid Colts fan second, I am sick to think of the possibility of this happening over the last several years. The integrity of the game is on the line here. Whether your a Pats fan or not, I would hope that you can see the possible ramifications of doing this act.

People are quick to dismiss the Jets loss as one destined to happen with or without this violation. I don't think this is the case. Going on the assumption this was happening all along, last year's cheating led to this year's advantade, potentially, and so on...

Someone said, all teams are doing it. I would guess all teams are trying to gain an advantage, but not all teams are, allegedly, taping and manipulating radio transmissions.

I have no idea of the powers that Goodell possesses, but I don't think what has happened prior to Goodell taking office, necessarily apply today. Just as past actions aren't being tolerated today like they were then.

These allegations, if proven valid, are indefensable by the teams or the MB posters.

I think back to baseball Commissioner Landis, when I think of the potential ramifications to the integrity of the game here.

I don't want to make more of this than it is, but there is the potential that the Pats were the only or one of the few teams doing this and gaining an unfair advantage over the past few years.

If true, how does this affect homers and non-homers viewpoint of:

The Pats dynasty

BB's coaching ability

Brady's clutch QB ability

Etc.?

This is more than just a small advantage, if true.

Sickening to think about it.

 

[Keys Myaths]

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

It's the first time they got caught, so it really is a first offense - you don't get harsher penalties for first time DUI just b/c you were accused of doling it on prior occasions.

NFL<>Criminal Justice System.I agree that it shouldn't be doled out any worse, but the NFL can pretty much do what it wants here.

 

[SteelersFan4Ever]

Wait, so people actually believe that guy on the Jets' sideline surrounded by Jets players and staff is the cameraman in question??

As crazy as it sounds that's the guy that the NFL security guard caught taping. I was shocked that he was that close to the jets players. I figured he was in the endzone or on the pats sideline. That dude had BALLS!!!!

 

[JZilla]

I have about as much respect for most sports journalists, outside of Glenn Dickey, as I do for the guys who mop up the private booths at peep show for a living.

Well we do agree on somethingBut I still think this is, if nothing else, a pretty embarrassing incident for the Patriots organization. The long-term effects may prove to be negligible.

 

[Marc Levin]

IMO, many (maybe even most) teams try to steal/crack signals in some way, shape, or form. The Pats broke the no camera rule. Is this that much out of bounds to what others are or have been doing? Probably not . . . the differnce is they got caught.

I would bet Tony Dungy doesn't do it.

I doubt Cameron does it - seems like this kind of thing needs an average amount of intelligence and the ability tio know what other coaches are doing.

 

[David Yudkin]

IMO, many (maybe even most) teams try to steal/crack signals in some way, shape, or form. The Pats broke the no camera rule. Is this that much out of bounds to what others are or have been doing? Probably not . . . the differnce is they got caught.

I would bet Tony Dungy doesn't do it. I seriously doubt any teams go to the extent it looks like the Pats did. Oddly, from all the teams coming forward, it seems this has been standard operating procedures for NE. If you cheat against the Jets, you probably cheat every chance you get. It tarnishes everything the Patriots had accomplished, which is too bad for Brady.

The Colts have been accused of stealing signs. It's been discussed in some of these threads and articles. I don't know how they were allegedly doing it, but they were one of the other teams that have been accused of trying to do similar things.

 

[Marc Levin]

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

It's the first time they got caught, so it really is a first offense - you don't get harsher penalties for first time DUI just b/c you were accused of doling it on prior occasions.

NFL<>Criminal Justice System.I agree that it shouldn't be doled out any worse, but the NFL can pretty much do what it wants here.

I understand that - just don't think that anecdotal reports of prior incidents where the league was not involved won't bear on the penalty to be assessed by the commish.

 

[Keys Myaths]

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

It's the first time they got caught, so it really is a first offense - you don't get harsher penalties for first time DUI just b/c you were accused of doling it on prior occasions.

NFL<>Criminal Justice System.I agree that it shouldn't be doled out any worse, but the NFL can pretty much do what it wants here.

I understand that - just don't think that anecdotal reports of prior incidents where the league was not involved won't bear on the penalty to be assessed by the commish.

I disagree with that, though. I think the NFL's first concern is PR. Because of those prior suspicions, I think the penalty will be harsher to appease the fan base.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

My current thinking is John Clayton probably has it right, a big fine and a #3 and #5.

If thats what it costs... I would encourage other teams (not my Steelers though) to do the same things while trying to win a SB or three.They would be a fool if they didnt. Teams like the Lions or Browns should follow suit and try to get over on a super bowl win at that rate.

Money for someone like Kraft or Snyder or Jones means nothing. It would have to be 5+ million to leave a bruise. 10 million to hurt.

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

Goodell has to make sure it doenst ever happen again. And a #3 and a #5 just won't accomplish that goal with any certainty.

Can you make your sig bigger? I can't quite read it.

You do realize your sig takes up more room then mine does?

 

[Keys Myaths]

My current thinking is John Clayton probably has it right, a big fine and a #3 and #5.

If thats what it costs... I would encourage other teams (not my Steelers though) to do the same things while trying to win a SB or three.They would be a fool if they didnt. Teams like the Lions or Browns should follow suit and try to get over on a super bowl win at that rate.

Money for someone like Kraft or Snyder or Jones means nothing. It would have to be 5+ million to leave a bruise. 10 million to hurt.

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

Goodell has to make sure it doenst ever happen again. And a #3 and a #5 just won't accomplish that goal with any certainty.

Can you make your sig bigger? I can't quite read it.

You do realize your sig takes up more room then mine does?

But I have KeysCharm, #####.

 

[Marc Levin]

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

It's the first time they got caught, so it really is a first offense - you don't get harsher penalties for first time DUI just b/c you were accused of doling it on prior occasions.

NFL<>Criminal Justice System.I agree that it shouldn't be doled out any worse, but the NFL can pretty much do what it wants here.

I understand that - just don't think that anecdotal reports of prior incidents where the league was not involved won't bear on the penalty to be assessed by the commish.

I disagree with that, though. I think the NFL's first concern is PR. Because of those prior suspicions, I think the penalty will be harsher to appease the fan base.

I think that, for the majority of NFL fans, this will be their first exposure to both signal stealing and why pointing a camera at what an opposing coach is doing (in front of millions of people, BTW) is not kosher in the NFLLike Rome said this monring, those who know of signal stealing think of baseball, where it is gamesmanship. They don't realize this is against NFL rules.

 

[phthalatemagic]

My current thinking is John Clayton probably has it right, a big fine and a #3 and #5.

If thats what it costs... I would encourage other teams (not my Steelers though) to do the same things while trying to win a SB or three.They would be a fool if they didnt. Teams like the Lions or Browns should follow suit and try to get over on a super bowl win at that rate.

Money for someone like Kraft or Snyder or Jones means nothing. It would have to be 5+ million to leave a bruise. 10 million to hurt.

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

Goodell has to make sure it doenst ever happen again. And a #3 and a #5 just won't accomplish that goal with any certainty.

Can you make your sig bigger? I can't quite read it.

You do realize your sig takes up more room then mine does?

But his sig is of people flattering him, so that's more important.

 

[Keys Myaths]

My current thinking is John Clayton probably has it right, a big fine and a #3 and #5.

If thats what it costs... I would encourage other teams (not my Steelers though) to do the same things while trying to win a SB or three.They would be a fool if they didnt. Teams like the Lions or Browns should follow suit and try to get over on a super bowl win at that rate.

Money for someone like Kraft or Snyder or Jones means nothing. It would have to be 5+ million to leave a bruise. 10 million to hurt.

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

Goodell has to make sure it doenst ever happen again. And a #3 and a #5 just won't accomplish that goal with any certainty.

Can you make your sig bigger? I can't quite read it.

You do realize your sig takes up more room then mine does?

But his sig is of people flattering him, so that's more important.

honetic:

 

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My current thinking is John Clayton probably has it right, a big fine and a #3 and #5.

If thats what it costs... I would encourage other teams (not my Steelers though) to do the same things while trying to win a SB or three.They would be a fool if they didnt. Teams like the Lions or Browns should follow suit and try to get over on a super bowl win at that rate.

Money for someone like Kraft or Snyder or Jones means nothing. It would have to be 5+ million to leave a bruise. 10 million to hurt.

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

Goodell has to make sure it doenst ever happen again. And a #3 and a #5 just won't accomplish that goal with any certainty.

Can you make your sig bigger? I can't quite read it.

You do realize your sig takes up more room then mine does?

Yeah but since you're such a stickler for the rules, I thought I'd point out that its' against the rules to use large gaudy colored fonts on this site.... Especially purple.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

My current thinking is John Clayton probably has it right, a big fine and a #3 and #5.

If thats what it costs... I would encourage other teams (not my Steelers though) to do the same things while trying to win a SB or three.They would be a fool if they didnt. Teams like the Lions or Browns should follow suit and try to get over on a super bowl win at that rate.

Money for someone like Kraft or Snyder or Jones means nothing. It would have to be 5+ million to leave a bruise. 10 million to hurt.

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

Goodell has to make sure it doenst ever happen again. And a #3 and a #5 just won't accomplish that goal with any certainty.

Can you make your sig bigger? I can't quite read it.

You do realize your sig takes up more room then mine does?

But his sig is of people flattering him, so that's more important.

But most people would never know, because they cant read it easily.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

It's the first time they got caught, so it really is a first offense - you don't get harsher penalties for first time DUI just b/c you were accused of doling it on prior occasions.

NFL<>Criminal Justice System.I agree that it shouldn't be doled out any worse, but the NFL can pretty much do what it wants here.

I understand that - just don't think that anecdotal reports of prior incidents where the league was not involved won't bear on the penalty to be assessed by the commish.

Its not a court of law, this is closer to a court martial. I'd say the burden rests with New England to prove this is a first offense, and I think there may be more hush-hushed here. The SAME GUY was busted on the sidelines last year, and they burned through any "benefit of the doubt" they may have enjoyed. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall of last years meeting on this subject, because I'm sure whatever denials prevented sanction last year were probably proved wrong this past Sunday.

 

[sts911911]

My current thinking is John Clayton probably has it right, a big fine and a #3 and #5.

If thats what it costs... I would encourage other teams (not my Steelers though) to do the same things while trying to win a SB or three.They would be a fool if they didnt. Teams like the Lions or Browns should follow suit and try to get over on a super bowl win at that rate.

Money for someone like Kraft or Snyder or Jones means nothing. It would have to be 5+ million to leave a bruise. 10 million to hurt.

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

Goodell has to make sure it doenst ever happen again. And a #3 and a #5 just won't accomplish that goal with any certainty.

Can you make your sig bigger? I can't quite read it.

Quit your whining, your two sig quotes take up just as much space and you see no one #####ing...

 

[phthalatemagic]

My current thinking is John Clayton probably has it right, a big fine and a #3 and #5.

If thats what it costs... I would encourage other teams (not my Steelers though) to do the same things while trying to win a SB or three.They would be a fool if they didnt. Teams like the Lions or Browns should follow suit and try to get over on a super bowl win at that rate.

Money for someone like Kraft or Snyder or Jones means nothing. It would have to be 5+ million to leave a bruise. 10 million to hurt.

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

Goodell has to make sure it doenst ever happen again. And a #3 and a #5 just won't accomplish that goal with any certainty.

Can you make your sig bigger? I can't quite read it.

You do realize your sig takes up more room then mine does?

Yeah but since you're such a stickler for the rules, I thought I'd point out that its' against the rules to use large gaudy colored fonts on this site.... Especially purple.

Hey! You're back! That's great! Can you tell us how picking up players off of a waiver wire is cheating?TIA

 

[Keys Myaths]

My current thinking is John Clayton probably has it right, a big fine and a #3 and #5.

If thats what it costs... I would encourage other teams (not my Steelers though) to do the same things while trying to win a SB or three.They would be a fool if they didnt. Teams like the Lions or Browns should follow suit and try to get over on a super bowl win at that rate.

Money for someone like Kraft or Snyder or Jones means nothing. It would have to be 5+ million to leave a bruise. 10 million to hurt.

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

Goodell has to make sure it doenst ever happen again. And a #3 and a #5 just won't accomplish that goal with any certainty.

Can you make your sig bigger? I can't quite read it.

Quit your whining, your two sig quotes take up just as much space and you see no one #####ing...

@ "whining".Sarcasm<>whining. Sorry to break it to you, Pedro.

 

[[icon]]

My current thinking is John Clayton probably has it right, a big fine and a #3 and #5.

If thats what it costs... I would encourage other teams (not my Steelers though) to do the same things while trying to win a SB or three.They would be a fool if they didnt. Teams like the Lions or Browns should follow suit and try to get over on a super bowl win at that rate.

Money for someone like Kraft or Snyder or Jones means nothing. It would have to be 5+ million to leave a bruise. 10 million to hurt.

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

Goodell has to make sure it doenst ever happen again. And a #3 and a #5 just won't accomplish that goal with any certainty.

Can you make your sig bigger? I can't quite read it.

You do realize your sig takes up more room then mine does?

Yeah but since you're such a stickler for the rules, I thought I'd point out that its' against the rules to use large gaudy colored fonts on this site.... Especially purple.

Hey! You're back! That's great! Can you tell us how picking up players off of a waiver wire is cheating?TIA

Picking players up off the wire isn't cheating.Picking up players for 5 hours just to interview them about an upcoming opponent is highly unethical if not against the unwritten rules of the league. That said it happens.. lots of teams do it... just like how lots of teams steal signs through videotaping.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

My current thinking is John Clayton probably has it right, a big fine and a #3 and #5.

If thats what it costs... I would encourage other teams (not my Steelers though) to do the same things while trying to win a SB or three.They would be a fool if they didnt. Teams like the Lions or Browns should follow suit and try to get over on a super bowl win at that rate.

Money for someone like Kraft or Snyder or Jones means nothing. It would have to be 5+ million to leave a bruise. 10 million to hurt.

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

Goodell has to make sure it doenst ever happen again. And a #3 and a #5 just won't accomplish that goal with any certainty.

Can you make your sig bigger? I can't quite read it.

You do realize your sig takes up more room then mine does?

Yeah but since you're such a stickler for the rules, I thought I'd point out that its' against the rules to use large gaudy colored fonts on this site.... Especially purple.

Hey! You're back! That's great! Can you tell us how picking up players off of a waiver wire is cheating?TIA

just like how lots of teams steal signs through videotaping.

link plzand not some opinion piece with conjecture and guesses. thx

 

[[icon]]

My current thinking is John Clayton probably has it right, a big fine and a #3 and #5.

If thats what it costs... I would encourage other teams (not my Steelers though) to do the same things while trying to win a SB or three.They would be a fool if they didnt. Teams like the Lions or Browns should follow suit and try to get over on a super bowl win at that rate.

Money for someone like Kraft or Snyder or Jones means nothing. It would have to be 5+ million to leave a bruise. 10 million to hurt.

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

Goodell has to make sure it doenst ever happen again. And a #3 and a #5 just won't accomplish that goal with any certainty.

Can you make your sig bigger? I can't quite read it.

Quit your whining, your two sig quotes take up just as much space and you see no one #####ing...

He was being sacastic about ihs giant purple type. Chill Francis... didn't know you had a dog in that fight.

 

[[icon]]

My current thinking is John Clayton probably has it right, a big fine and a #3 and #5.

If thats what it costs... I would encourage other teams (not my Steelers though) to do the same things while trying to win a SB or three.They would be a fool if they didnt. Teams like the Lions or Browns should follow suit and try to get over on a super bowl win at that rate.

Money for someone like Kraft or Snyder or Jones means nothing. It would have to be 5+ million to leave a bruise. 10 million to hurt.

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

Goodell has to make sure it doenst ever happen again. And a #3 and a #5 just won't accomplish that goal with any certainty.

Can you make your sig bigger? I can't quite read it.

You do realize your sig takes up more room then mine does?

Yeah but since you're such a stickler for the rules, I thought I'd point out that its' against the rules to use large gaudy colored fonts on this site.... Especially purple.

Hey! You're back! That's great! Can you tell us how picking up players off of a waiver wire is cheating?TIA

just like how lots of teams steal signs through videotaping.

link plz

Been posted about 12-14 times in the Shark pool today including in this thread.. not going to contribute to the clutter by posting it again. RIF

 

[AB in DC]

Wait, so people actually believe that guy on the Jets' sideline surrounded by Jets players and staff is the cameraman in question??

As crazy as it sounds that's the guy that the NFL security guard caught taping.

Last I read, it was just one guy's guess at who it might be.

 

[Marc Levin]

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

It's the first time they got caught, so it really is a first offense - you don't get harsher penalties for first time DUI just b/c you were accused of doling it on prior occasions.

NFL<>Criminal Justice System.I agree that it shouldn't be doled out any worse, but the NFL can pretty much do what it wants here.

I understand that - just don't think that anecdotal reports of prior incidents where the league was not involved won't bear on the penalty to be assessed by the commish.

Its not a court of law, this is closer to a court martial. I'd say the burden rests with New England to prove this is a first offense, and I think there may be more hush-hushed here. The SAME GUY was busted on the sidelines last year, and they burned through any "benefit of the doubt" they may have enjoyed. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall of last years meeting on this subject, because I'm sure whatever denials prevented sanction last year were probably proved wrong this past Sunday.

I think we are all arguing about the same thing anyway - Keys yanked one line out of my original post where I acknowledge that a 3 and 5 is insufficient, even though this is a first offense. My impression is that the prohibition against recording equipment on the sideline was a rule last year, but it was not enforced much absent protest by one team - and no teams protested. I was also under the impression that the league sent notices this summer stating signal stealing was a rule violation and that no recording equipment was allowed on sidelines - thus giving teams notice that the league would look harshly on this this year.Those reasons - and the blatant disregard of the rul ein this instance (not "prior incidents") are what will fuel a higher penalty. I really do not think that the Green Bayh incident will come into this. That situation was handled by GB security and no protest was lodged with the league.As for the rules of any proceeding, it won't even be a court martial - it'll be more like a special prosecutor investigating a case who also gets to make the decision. He's the head of a private organization with its own rules and procedures and, I'm sure, no evidentiary exclusions.I am simply saying the previous incidents won't be a major factor in the punishment phaze - and I disagree with the poster who said "I think a 3rd and 5 is OK if this was a first offense, but it is a repetition" That's insufficient for a first offense, regardless of any prior repetition.

 

[phthalatemagic]

My current thinking is John Clayton probably has it right, a big fine and a #3 and #5.

If thats what it costs... I would encourage other teams (not my Steelers though) to do the same things while trying to win a SB or three.They would be a fool if they didnt. Teams like the Lions or Browns should follow suit and try to get over on a super bowl win at that rate.

Money for someone like Kraft or Snyder or Jones means nothing. It would have to be 5+ million to leave a bruise. 10 million to hurt.

As for the #3 and #5... I would agree if this was a 1 time incident. But it flatly isnt. This is repetitive.

Goodell has to make sure it doenst ever happen again. And a #3 and a #5 just won't accomplish that goal with any certainty.

Can you make your sig bigger? I can't quite read it.

You do realize your sig takes up more room then mine does?

Yeah but since you're such a stickler for the rules, I thought I'd point out that its' against the rules to use large gaudy colored fonts on this site.... Especially purple.

Hey! You're back! That's great! Can you tell us how picking up players off of a waiver wire is cheating?TIA

just like how lots of teams steal signs through videotaping.

link plz

Been posted about 12-14 times in the Shark pool today including in this thread.. not going to contribute to the clutter by posting it again. RIF

 

[Sinners]

link to the other links then, please.

 

[NEUPJ]

This link?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

This link?

and not some opinion piece with conjecture and guesses. thx That doesnt have a speck of meat on it.

 

[mggoilers]

The link talks about the new Comm system from Motorola, sorry if it's been posted

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/3...munication.html

This links explains the current technology

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=99050&page=1

 

[Keys Myaths]

That doesnt have a speck of meat on it.

"You try to get those false calls that teams like to use at the line,'' said one former player. "Player X or coach X who has been with that team might stop by the offensive or defensive meetings and say, 'Look for this if they say that. Or when the quarterback does this, look for that.' It can be very useful in some cases.''That's not conjecture. That's not opinion.Let me guess, you read the first three lines and didn't bother to actually read it?

 

[Keys Myaths]

I think we are all arguing about the same thing anyway - Keys yanked one

Jesus, did we really have to go there?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

That doesnt have a speck of meat on it.

"You try to get those false calls that teams like to use at the line,'' said one former player. "Player X or coach X who has been with that team might stop by the offensive or defensive meetings and say, 'Look for this if they say that. Or when the quarterback does this, look for that.' It can be very useful in some cases.''That's not conjecture. That's not opinion.Let me guess, you read the first three lines and didn't bother to actually read it?

Yes it is. Its not even attributed to anyone.And where the hell is the "video taping" comment that is the crux of the link request?

 

[Keys Myaths]

That doesnt have a speck of meat on it.

"You try to get those false calls that teams like to use at the line,'' said one former player. "Player X or coach X who has been with that team might stop by the offensive or defensive meetings and say, 'Look for this if they say that. Or when the quarterback does this, look for that.' It can be very useful in some cases.''That's not conjecture. That's not opinion.Let me guess, you read the first three lines and didn't bother to actually read it?

Yes it is. Its not even attributed to anyone.

Amazing that the former player didn't want his name used.The quote happened. From a former player. Sometimes in journalism to actually go after the truth, you have to use confidential sources.I would know better than 99% of people on this board. So I really wouldn't go there with that argument. You don't have any credibility there.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

That doesnt have a speck of meat on it.

"You try to get those false calls that teams like to use at the line,'' said one former player. "Player X or coach X who has been with that team might stop by the offensive or defensive meetings and say, 'Look for this if they say that. Or when the quarterback does this, look for that.' It can be very useful in some cases.''That's not conjecture. That's not opinion.Let me guess, you read the first three lines and didn't bother to actually read it?

Yes it is. Its not even attributed to anyone.

Amazing that the former player didn't want his name used.The quote happened. From a former player. Sometimes in journalism to actually go after the truth, you have to use confidential sources.I would know better than 99% of people on this board. So I really wouldn't go there with that argument. You don't have any credibility there.

I understand that. But it still doesnt hold sway.If thats all you have, then thats all you have.Where is the "video" part that started the link request?

 

[Marc Levin]

I think we are all arguing about the same thing anyway - Keys yanked one

Jesus, did we really have to go there?

X sideways "8"

 

[AB in DC]

This link?

and not some opinion piece with conjecture and guesses. thx That doesnt have a speck of meat on it.

Just like 99% of what has been written/spoken about the Pats today.

 

[Keys Myaths]

That doesnt have a speck of meat on it.

"You try to get those false calls that teams like to use at the line,'' said one former player. "Player X or coach X who has been with that team might stop by the offensive or defensive meetings and say, 'Look for this if they say that. Or when the quarterback does this, look for that.' It can be very useful in some cases.''That's not conjecture. That's not opinion.Let me guess, you read the first three lines and didn't bother to actually read it?

Yes it is. Its not even attributed to anyone.

Amazing that the former player didn't want his name used.The quote happened. From a former player. Sometimes in journalism to actually go after the truth, you have to use confidential sources.I would know better than 99% of people on this board. So I really wouldn't go there with that argument. You don't have any credibility there.

I understand that. But it still doesnt hold sway.

Yes, it does. I promise. Just because the player didn't want to feel the wrath of his friends and former employees/employers, who would have shunned him forever if he used his name, that doesn't make the quote less true.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

That doesnt have a speck of meat on it.

"You try to get those false calls that teams like to use at the line,'' said one former player. "Player X or coach X who has been with that team might stop by the offensive or defensive meetings and say, 'Look for this if they say that. Or when the quarterback does this, look for that.' It can be very useful in some cases.''

That's not conjecture. That's not opinion.

Let me guess, you read the first three lines and didn't bother to actually read it?

Yes it is. Its not even attributed to anyone.

Amazing that the former player didn't want his name used.The quote happened. From a former player. Sometimes in journalism to actually go after the truth, you have to use confidential sources.

I would know better than 99% of people on this board. So I really wouldn't go there with that argument. You don't have any credibility there.

I understand that. But it still doesnt hold sway.

Yes, it does. I promise. Just because the player didn't want to feel the wrath of his friends and former employees/employers, who would have shunned him forever if he used his name, that doesn't make the quote less true.

And video part? Hello?