ESPN's QBR (1 Viewer)

[Ghost Rider]

I've noticed that most of the ESPN shows (the ones I still watch, anyway) now always talk about a QB's QBR, as if it is the new standard or something, but someone explain to me how Andrew Luck can have the 21st best YPA, a 5-4 TD-INT ratio and a 53.3% completion percentage, yet be 1st in QBR.

 

[flc735]

you expect an equation to be able perfectly to rank 32 QBs?

 

[Ghost Rider]

you expect an equation to be able perfectly to rank 32 QBs?

Where did I say that?

 

[Resident A]

Of couse it's imperfect, but I always thought it was a better gauge of overall QB performance than traditional QB Rating.

But maybe not... I have no idea how Luck could even be near the top, that's way off.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I've noticed that most of the ESPN shows (the ones I still watch, anyway) now always talk about a QB's QBR, as if it is the new standard or something, but someone explain to me how Andrew Luck can have the 21st best YPA, a 5-4 TD-INT ratio and a 53.3% completion percentage, yet be 1st in QBR.

Due to the way QBR is rated, there doesn't have to be a correlation between QBR and TD/INT ratio, completion percentage and etc. Usually there is, but it's clearly not always the case. From what I gather, QBR can be simply boosted by how involved the QB is in moving the offense, scoring and etc. When you're team oft has to play catch-up and you have no run game in sight, I'm assuming that can lead to an inflated QBR. To be honest though, the dude who explained QBR to me didn't go into detail.

 

[dollarbill13]

ESPN made up this stat a couple years ago based on their video tracking of games. It's impossible to recalculate the numbers but supposedly they give more credit to plays that the QB had more impact on (a completion for 20 yards on a post pattern is more difficult for a QB than a 2 yard dump off that the RB breaks for 20 yards).

Total QBR Explained

 

[Monsieur Meursault]

Outside of Luck at #1, the QBR rankings seem pretty legit to me. I would imagine that because he throws more short, high-percentage passes, probably hasn't gotten sacked much, and only has 4 INT's, that the numbers seem skewed.

RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS QB PAR QB PAA TOTAL QBR

1 Andrew Luck, IND 16.4 8.6 -1.7 2.3 25.7 148 29.2 17.0 81.9

2 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 41.2 -1.0 -5.8 -1.3 33.0 149 28.3 15.9 80.4

3 Matt Ryan, ATL 37.3 5.5 -11.3 0.9 32.4 178 33.4 18.6 80.0

4 Andy Dalton, CIN 24.0 1.5 -5.9 4.9 24.5 162 29.2 15.7 78.3

5 Peyton Manning, DEN 24.9 0.6 -4.5 2.5 23.5 185 32.0 16.6 76.7

6 Tom Brady, NE 38.0 0.9 -6.6 -0.6 31.7 178 30.7 15.9 76.6

7 Matt Schaub, HOU 19.3 -0.4 -3.6 1.5 16.8 140 22.9 11.3 74.3

8 Alex Smith, SF 19.9 -0.5 -6.1 3.1 16.4 147 21.5 9.3 69.8

9 Joe Flacco, BAL 30.6 0.0 -6.2 5.1 29.5 198 28.9 12.5 69.7

10 Christian Ponder, MIN 20.8 -0.5 -4.3 2.2 18.3 152 21.8 9.2 68.9

RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS QB PAR QB PAA TOTAL QBR

11 Robert Griffin III, WSH 22.7 2.9 -6.9 6.9 25.7 191 27.3 11.4 68.7

12 Jake Locker, TEN 14.0 0.2 -1.8 1.9 14.3 130 18.4 7.6 68.5

13 Philip Rivers, SD 16.3 -1.1 -3.3 3.0 14.8 154 21.8 9.0 68.4

14 Eli Manning, NYG 22.3 -1.8 -3.0 3.9 21.4 184 23.1 7.8 63.7

15 Carson Palmer, OAK 18.7 -0.6 -2.7 4.8 20.1 191 23.6 7.7 63.1

16 Aaron Rodgers, GB 25.7 5.4 -11.8 3.6 22.9 208 24.2 7.0 60.9

17 Matthew Stafford, DET 20.9 1.8 -6.1 3.5 20.1 200 22.1 5.5 59.1

18 Cam Newton, CAR 15.6 1.5 -4.7 0.5 12.8 158 16.9 3.8 57.9

19 Michael Vick, PHI 23.8 5.1 -8.3 -0.1 20.6 206 20.5 3.4 55.4

20 Drew Brees, NO 23.5 0.1 -8.3 0.1 15.4 218 20.6 2.5 53.8

RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS QB PAR QB PAA TOTAL QBR

21 Ryan Fitzpatrick, BUF 8.3 3.6 -2.8 -0.3 8.8 148 13.7 1.4 53.3

22 Ryan Tannehill, MIA 14.8 -0.1 -5.7 3.4 12.4 173 13.8 -0.6 48.9

23 Matt Cassel, KC 11.3 1.1 -4.8 1.4 9.1 193 15.3 -0.8 48.7

24 Tony Romo, DAL 19.5 -0.3 -6.0 -2.6 10.6 186 13.7 -1.7 47.0

25 Blaine Gabbert, JAC 12.1 -0.4 -7.4 4.0 8.2 154 10.0 -2.7 44.2

26 Jay Cutler, CHI 11.0 0.3 -6.7 1.9 6.4 154 9.6 -3.2 43.3

27 Kevin Kolb, ARI 21.4 -0.5 -15.5 3.2 8.5 204 11.8 -5.2 41.7

28 Sam Bradford, STL 22.1 -1.4 -13.4 -1.6 5.7 183 8.0 -7.2 37.3

29 Mark Sanchez, NYJ 9.8 -5.5 -4.6 3.6 3.4 153 6.3 -6.4 36.5

30 Josh Freeman, TB 8.1 -2.3 -5.2 1.2 1.9 151 4.5 -8.0 33.1

RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS QB PAR QB PAA TOTAL QBR

31 Russell Wilson, SEA 3.2 -2.2 -6.0 5.4 0.4 158 3.2 -9.9 30.4

32 Brandon Weeden, CLE -8.6 -4.3 -6.2 0.1 -19.0 196 -16.2 -32.4 10.1

 

[flc735]

you expect an equation to be able perfectly to rank 32 QBs?

Where did I say that?

wasn't that your point? what was your point? that we should look at other things besides QBR? we already know that.

 

[godgers12]

you expect an equation to be able perfectly to rank 32 QBs?

Where did I say that?

wasn't that your point? what was your point? that we should look at other things besides QBR? we already know that.

you must be pleasant to hang out with

 

[flc735]

you expect an equation to be able perfectly to rank 32 QBs?

Where did I say that?

wasn't that your point? what was your point? that we should look at other things besides QBR? we already know that.

you must be pleasant to hang out with

actually, im not. i am very mean and kick puppies on my free time.

 

[godgers12]

you expect an equation to be able perfectly to rank 32 QBs?

Where did I say that?

wasn't that your point? what was your point? that we should look at other things besides QBR? we already know that.

you must be pleasant to hang out with

actually, im not. i am very mean and kick puppies on my free time.

saying you kick puppies is very 2007, get a new "punchline", anyways carry on, i agree with OP that any ranking that has Luck ranked above everyone else is pretty far off. But i also never gave this total QBR much thought, even when Rodgers was #1 week in and week out.

 

[Rovers]

you expect an equation to be able perfectly to rank 32 QBs?

Where did I say that?

wasn't that your point? what was your point? that we should look at other things besides QBR? we already know that.

you must be pleasant to hang out with

actually, im not. i am very mean and kick puppies on my free time.

saying you kick puppies is very 2007, get a new "punchline", anyways carry on, i agree with OP that any ranking that has Luck ranked above everyone else is pretty far off. But i also never gave this total QBR much thought, even when Rodgers was #1 week in and week out.

Forget this peanut gallery sniper. Posters like this only make abrasive comments and add nothing of value. Luck's QBR makes no sense there, and does suggest that their "formula" doesn't work.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

I've noticed that most of the ESPN shows (the ones I still watch, anyway) now always talk about a QB's QBR, as if it is the new standard or something, but someone explain to me how Andrew Luck can have the 21st best YPA, a 5-4 TD-INT ratio and a 53.3% completion percentage, yet be 1st in QBR.

Due to the way QBR is rated, there doesn't have to be a correlation between QBR and TD/INT ratio, completion percentage and etc. Usually there is, but it's clearly not always the case. From what I gather, QBR can be simply boosted by how involved the QB is in moving the offense, scoring and etc. When you're team oft has to play catch-up and you have no run game in sight, I'm assuming that can lead to an inflated QBR. To be honest though, the dude who explained QBR to me didn't go into detail.

yup. Not only that, but their whole clutch index they include is absurd; if a QB's defense can keep the team in the game by holding the opponent to say 7 points, then the QB can immensely boost his QBR with a 4th quarter drive for a TD, even if the offense only scored 3 points for the entire rest of the game.

 

[DoubleG]

There's a reason only ESPN keeps track of "that" QBR - and everyone else uses the real one. Just sayin'.

 

[flc735]

you expect an equation to be able perfectly to rank 32 QBs?

Where did I say that?

wasn't that your point? what was your point? that we should look at other things besides QBR? we already know that.

you must be pleasant to hang out with

actually, im not. i am very mean and kick puppies on my free time.

saying you kick puppies is very 2007, get a new "punchline", anyways carry on, i agree with OP that any ranking that has Luck ranked above everyone else is pretty far off. But i also never gave this total QBR much thought, even when Rodgers was #1 week in and week out.

aw come on. i can't tell you how many times i've seen a similar line to "you must be pleasant to hang out with" on this forum. how ironic.