Evangelizing grocery store clerk: Cool or No? (2 Viewers)

[ZenoRazon]

You consider the potential hypocrisy of your position and whether you'd like to restate anything you've said in this thread.

So I should have said...???

 

[Kanil]

Not cool.  What would the reaction be to telling her she believes in a make believe sky wizard and it's entirely possible to be a good person without that same belief?

 

[OrtonToOlsen]

If this had happened when my kids were little I probably would have said something sarcastic like “Fascinating” or “OH OK”.

Then I would have called the manager later and told him/her “your clerk shouldn’t preach to little kids”.

 

[OrtonToOlsen]

That kind of rinkydinky stuff means nothing, as you can see I 'd forgot all about it.

X Navy here, survived the 60's, seen the inside of a jail cell a few times, how many bar fights? Seen a lot, it takes a lot to get my real attention.  talking Miley Cyrus...nay~~~~

What the jiminy crickets did you just flaming say about me, you little bozo? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Cub Scouts, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret camping trips in Wyoming, and I have over 300 confirmed knots. I am trained in first aid and I’m the top bandager in the entire US Boy Scouts (of America). You are nothing to me but just another friendly face. I will clean your wounds for you with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this annual trip, mark my words. You think you can get away with saying those shenanigans to me over the Internet? Think again, finkle. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of MSN friends across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the seminars, man. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your bake sale. You’re frigging done, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can tie knots in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in road safety, but I have access to the entire manual of the United States Boy Scouts (of America) and I will use it to its full extent to train your miserable butt on the facts of the continents, you little schmuck. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your silly tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goshdarned sillyhead. I will throw leaves all over you and you will dance in them. You’re friggin done, kiddo.

 

[Dedfin]

I'd complain to the manager, and make sure she does something else for a living.

 

[ZenoRazon]

What the jiminy crickets did you just flaming say about me, you little bozo? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Cub Scouts, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret camping trips in Wyoming, and I have over 300 confirmed knots. I am trained in first aid and I’m the top bandager in the entire US Boy Scouts (of America). You are nothing to me but just another friendly face. I will clean your wounds for you with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this annual trip, mark my words. You think you can get away with saying those shenanigans to me over the Internet? Think again, finkle. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of MSN friends across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the seminars, man. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your bake sale. You’re frigging done, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can tie knots in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in road safety, but I have access to the entire manual of the United States Boy Scouts (of America) and I will use it to its full extent to train your miserable butt on the facts of the continents, you little schmuck. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your silly tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goshdarned sillyhead. I will throw leaves all over you and you will dance in them. You’re friggin done, kiddo.

Chill~~~~

 

[NutterButter]

The last thing I want to do is prolong a conversation with someone I don't want to talk to in the first place by telling them what they shouldn't be saying to me.  

 

[ZenoRazon]

Anyone who hangs on these messageboards where people constantly say things they'd never say to your face are going to be ruffled by some grocery clerk rambling on???

 

[nirad3]

Bull... in... china... shop.

 

[Epic Problem]

Anyone who hangs on these messageboards where people constantly say things they'd never say to your face are going to be ruffed by some grocery clerk rambling on???

This seems threatish. I guess I'll just consider myself lucky that we aren't in a bar

 

[ZenoRazon]

This seems threatish. I guess I'll just consider myself lucky that we aren't in a bar

Are you old enought to get in a bar?

 

[cosjobs]

I do not approve and if I were the owner I would want to know. I'd probably tell the owner with the preface that it not my desire for the employee to be punished, but counseled on appropriate behavior.

 

[top dog]

What is the hell is going on in here?  I can't believe the atheists would get so upset over the Jesus comment or the God folks getting so upset over the no god (potential) conversation.  I have enough stuff in my life that pisses me off I'd never let a wacko grocery store clerk get me that upset.  If I ran into that situation with someone that had opposite views than my family I'd use that as an opportunity to have a conversation with my kids about why that person was they way they are.  Unless they were being rude or something, I'd just roll with it.  But then again, I'm pretty easy going....

 

[Sheriff Bart]

My 11 yo son and I went to a large grocery store chain on Saturday.  As we were checking out we had some banter with the grocery store clerk.  I forget what prompted her to say this, but she tells my son, "you only need to listen to two people:  Your parents and Jesus."  My son looks at me like, "did I just catch that right?," but took my lead to just blow it off.  She continues to talk and somehow gets on the topic of Miley Cyrus where she says, "that girl has a dark heart.  She needs to let Jesus in."  Once again we ignored it, but it left me wondering if the store manager would approve of what she said.  So I ask the FFA, as a proxy for the store manager, would you be cool with her saying things like this to customers?  

How many dollars in coins did you throw at her? 

 

[Sheriff Bart]

What is the hell is going on in here?  I can't believe the atheists would get so upset over the Jesus comment or the God folks getting so upset over the no god (potential) conversation.  I have enough stuff in my life that pisses me off I'd never let a wacko grocery store clerk get me that upset.  If I ran into that situation with someone that had opposite views than my family I'd use that as an opportunity to have a conversation with my kids about why that person was they way they are.  Unless they were being rude or something, I'd just roll with it.  But then again, I'm pretty easy going....

For the most part people said they didn't want to hear it but wouldn't report her to the manager as it wasn't a big deal.  Other than that a bunch of jokes like my post above in reference to a classic FFA thread. @General Malaise

 

[tkrull]

Never talk to the help...

 

[Galileo]

What is the hell is going on in here?  I can't believe the atheists would get so upset over the Jesus comment or the God folks getting so upset over the no god (potential) conversation.  I have enough stuff in my life that pisses me off I'd never let a wacko grocery store clerk get me that upset.  If I ran into that situation with someone that had opposite views than my family I'd use that as an opportunity to have a conversation with my kids about why that person was they way they are.  Unless they were being rude or something, I'd just roll with it.  But then again, I'm pretty easy going....

No one is actually very upset at all about the grocery store cashier.  The "outrage", if any, is directed at those in here who are saying its no big deal for a clerk to tell the kid to follow Jesus, but then turn around and say it would be a problem if the clerk told a kid there was no god.   There is a bit of hypocrisy being exposed there.

 

[Chaka]

Take out a buck...."In God We Trust".

There is little doubt what is going on in the USA.

That's a great point, we worship money.

Now, take out a copy of the U.S. Constitution and go to the part that talks about God.

 

[ZenoRazon]

That's a great point, we worship money.

Now, take out a copy of the U.S. Constitution and go to the part that talks about God.

Ok, here ya go...

Article VII (Article 7 - Ratification)

The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.

The Word "the", being interlined between the seventh and eight Lines of the first Page, The Word "Thirty" being partly written on an Erazure in the fifteenth Line of the first Page. The Words "is tried" being interlined between the thirty second and thirty third Lines of the first Page and the Word "the" being interlined between the forty third and forty fourth Lines of the second Page.

done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present*************** the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord******************* one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

Now read our Declaration of Independance.

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of**** Nature's God ****entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed**** by their Creator***** with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights,

Then there's....

United States Congressional Endorsement of the Bible and God

Congress printed a Bible for America and said:

“The United States in Congress assembled … recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States … a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools.”
– United States Congress 1782

Congress passed this resolution:

“The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.”
– United States Congress 1782

By Law the United States Congress adds to US coinage:

“In God We Trust”
– United States Congress 1864

John Adams –President of the United States of America, First Vice President, Signer of the Declaration of Independence, Signer of the Bill of Rights, and Signer of First Ammendment

The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.
– John Adams

And......

John Jay – First Chief-Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court

Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is their duty – as well as privilege and interest – of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.
– John Jay

The Bible is the best of all books, for it is the word of God and teaches us the way to be happy in this world and in the next. Continue therefore to read it and to regulate your life by its precepts.
– John Jay

John Hancock – Signer of the Declaration of Independence

…that all may bow to the scepter of our Lord Jesus Christ and that the whole Earth may be filled with his glory.
– John Hancock, as Governor of Massachusetts 1791

We recognize no sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus.
– John Adams and John Hancock (unconfirmed quote)

Benjamin Rush, Signer of the Declaration of Independence

“The only foundation for . . . a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.”
– Benjamin Rush

Let the children…be carefully instructed in the principles and obligations of the Christian religion. This is the most essential part of education.
– Benjamin Rush

Christianity is the only true and perfect religion…
– Benjamin Rush

Google what George Washington had to say.

 

[bucksoh]

She could be spreading the word of satan for all I care, as long as she was ringing it up fast, no problem.  If she talking and going slow I would tell her to hurry the hell up!

 

[Captain Cranks]

So I should have said...???

Let me walk through my perspective of this thread and perhaps that would help you understand where I'm coming from.  I created the thread to seek other's opinions on what a store manager would want from his employees.  I wasn't angry or upset about the incident, but curious what the store manager would think if he knew his/her employee was saying these things.  You came in to respond with, 'I don't let those things bother me' from the customer's perspective.  That's not even what I asked your opinion for.  Yet later it's shown that if the clerk had mentioned to your child that there is no God, you'd be upset.  So in reality, you 'don't let those things bother you' as long as what they say conforms with your theist viewpoint.  

So I'd ask you to consider that not everyone has the same theist viewpoint as you and, if you were an atheist and the clerk said what she said to your child, you might not be so quick to let it roll off your shoulders.  

 

[El Floppo]

Ok, here ya go...

Article VII (Article 7 - Ratification)

The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.

The Word "the", being interlined between the seventh and eight Lines of the first Page, The Word "Thirty" being partly written on an Erazure in the fifteenth Line of the first Page. The Words "is tried" being interlined between the thirty second and thirty third Lines of the first Page and the Word "the" being interlined between the forty third and forty fourth Lines of the second Page.

done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present*************** the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord******************* one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

Now read our Declaration of Independance.

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of**** Nature's God ****entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed**** by their Creator***** with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights,

Then there's....

United States Congressional Endorsement of the Bible and God

Congress printed a Bible for America and said:

“The United States in Congress assembled … recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States … a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools.”
– United States Congress 1782

Congress passed this resolution:

“The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.”
– United States Congress 1782

By Law the United States Congress adds to US coinage:

“In God We Trust”
– United States Congress 1864

John Adams –President of the United States of America, First Vice President, Signer of the Declaration of Independence, Signer of the Bill of Rights, and Signer of First Ammendment

The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.
– John Adams

And......

John Jay – First Chief-Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court

Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is their duty – as well as privilege and interest – of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.
– John Jay

The Bible is the best of all books, for it is the word of God and teaches us the way to be happy in this world and in the next. Continue therefore to read it and to regulate your life by its precepts.
– John Jay

John Hancock – Signer of the Declaration of Independence

…that all may bow to the scepter of our Lord Jesus Christ and that the whole Earth may be filled with his glory.
– John Hancock, as Governor of Massachusetts 1791

We recognize no sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus.
– John Adams and John Hancock (unconfirmed quote)

Benjamin Rush, Signer of the Declaration of Independence

“The only foundation for . . . a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.”
– Benjamin Rush

Let the children…be carefully instructed in the principles and obligations of the Christian religion. This is the most essential part of education.
– Benjamin Rush

Christianity is the only true and perfect religion…
– Benjamin Rush

Google what George Washington had to say.

thanks for taking the time with that- interesting.

here's my take-

"year of our lord" is the gregorian calendar... not referencing or federally endorsing a specific god.

"nature's god" and "creator" are intentionally written that way- to allow for any version of god people may have in our society... not a federal endorsement of a specific god

the rest of the stuff references a bible published by congress (never knew about that- interesting and creepy), which of course will have its own agenda and isn't in the constitution- and also individual opinions, which are like... well... opinions.

so based on what you're quoting, and what I understand- what's written into the constitution and declaration of independence allows for any religion, and in no way endorses a specific religion. 

is that the point you were making? or were you just trying to prove chaka wrong?

 

[Epic Problem]

thanks for taking the time with that- interesting.

here's my take-

"year of our lord" is the gregorian calendar... not referencing or federally endorsing a specific god.

"nature's god" and "creator" are intentionally written that way- to allow for any version of god people may have in our society... not a federal endorsement of a specific god

the rest of the stuff references a bible published by congress (never knew about that- interesting and creepy), which of course will have its own agenda and isn't in the constitution- and also individual opinions, which are like... well... opinions.

so based on what you're quoting, and what I understand- what's written into the constitution and declaration of independence allows for any religion, and in no way endorses a specific religion. 

is that the point you were making? or were you just trying to prove chaka wrong?

Simple common sense. See how easy that is?

 

[Short Corner]

The last thing I want to do is prolong a conversation with someone I don't want to talk to in the first place by telling them what they shouldn't be saying to me.  

Yeah, I can't figure out why people engage Zeno either.

 

[Gally]

I think one point Zeno is trying to make is there's a reduced expectation of privacy once one goes out in public. 

He's also saying he's not cool with somebody telling his kids that there's no God and that it's a fairytale. This seems fair to me. It's much worse than telling a kid about the wonder of myth. 

The bar fights are stupid. 

That's my two cents on this utter disaster of a thread.  

You left out that the evangelizing grocery store clerk is bad at math...

 

[rockaction]

You left out that the evangelizing grocery store clerk is bad at math...

I loved that observation. That made me 

 

[Gally]

I loved that observation. That made me 

I did too.  It was my first thought when I read the OP.....hahahaha

 

[Captain Cranks]

You left out that the evangelizing grocery store clerk is bad at math...

If you go off the premise that Jesus doesn't exist, her math was sound.  

 

[Gally]

If you go off the premise that Jesus doesn't exist, her math was sound.  

But she obviously believes he does exist and she was the one doing the math....

 

[ZenoRazon]

Let me walk through my perspective of this thread and perhaps that would help you understand where I'm coming from.  I created the thread to seek other's opinions on what a store manager would want from his employees.  I wasn't angry or upset about the incident, but curious what the store manager would think if he knew his/her employee was saying these things.  You came in to respond with, 'I don't let those things bother me' from the customer's perspective.  That's not even what I asked your opinion for.  Yet later it's shown that if the clerk had mentioned to your child that there is no God, you'd be upset.  So in reality, you 'don't let those things bother you' as long as what they say conforms with your theist viewpoint.  

So I'd ask you to consider that not everyone has the same theist viewpoint as you and, if you were an atheist and the clerk said what she said to your child, you might not be so quick to let it roll off your shoulders.  

Let me make this very clear, there is nothing any clerk in a grocery store can say that will really make much of a dent,  the first time around. While I might not be thrilled with what they are saying, it really would be no big deal, today.  Don't care about what a manager thinks, don't care about anything about this....today.

Now if a few days go by and me and my son go back there and once again this clerk starts ramblin' on, now it's.....whoa whoa whoa, enought already, ok?

If it happens again now it's time to talk to a manager about an employee.

 

[ZenoRazon]

thanks for taking the time with that- interesting.

here's my take-

"year of our lord" is the gregorian calendar... not referencing or federally endorsing a specific god.

"nature's god" and "creator" are intentionally written that way- to allow for any version of god people may have in our society... not a federal endorsement of a specific god

the rest of the stuff references a bible published by congress (never knew about that- interesting and creepy), which of course will have its own agenda and isn't in the constitution- and also individual opinions, which are like... well... opinions.

so based on what you're quoting, and what I understand- what's written into the constitution and declaration of independence allows for any religion, and in no way endorses a specific religion. 

is that the point you were making? or were you just trying to prove chaka wrong?

There is no doubt Christianity was the religion here in the early days and religion played a huge part in the lives of the people.

So help me God

I swear to God

One nation under God

In God we trust

How many churches in America?

"Year of our Lord"    can only mean one thing, no talking around it.

How many Gods did they have here in America back then anyway? 

. “I now make it my earnest prayer, that God would…most graciously be pleas’d to dispose us all to do Justice, to love mercy and to demean ourselves, with that Charity, humility & pacific temper of mind, which were the Characteristicks of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion & without an humble imitation of whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy Nation.”

—Washington’s Circular Letter to the States, June 8, 1783

 

[nirad3]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[ZenoRazon]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Funny how such a little thing can set you apart, huh?

 

[nirad3]

Funny how such a little thing can set you apart, huh?

Or make you look like a raving loon.

 

[Johnny Rock]

As the employer I’d expect my managers to counsel the employee to not do this again. If it continues terminate them. They can do that crap on their own time. 

 

[ZenoRazon]

Or make you look like a raving loon.

If all it takes is a tiny ~~~~~~ to become a raving loon,  No problem.

 

[El Floppo]

There is no doubt Christianity was the religion here in the early days and religion played a huge part in the lives of the people.

So help me God

I swear to God

One nation under God

In God we trust

How many churches in America?

"Year of our Lord"    can only mean one thing, no talking around it.

How many Gods did they have here in America back then anyway? 

. “I now make it my earnest prayer, that God would…most graciously be pleas’d to dispose us all to do Justice, to love mercy and to demean ourselves, with that Charity, humility & pacific temper of mind, which were the Characteristicks of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion & without an humble imitation of whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy Nation.”

—Washington’s Circular Letter to the States, June 8, 1783

“But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”

- Tommy Jefferson, e176th st and st nicks.

are there 5 churches? more? 39? 51? cool.

I can't tell if you're trolling about the anno domini thing... like thinking if you say "the year 2000 bc" makes you accepting christ as savior somehow. I assume you're trolling.

how many gods in america? I assume you wouldn't want to talk about the indigenous tribes and their religions, so...  the yeah- us was colonized by people of varying christian sects who were persecuted at home and continued to persecute other of differing faiths and sects when they got here. what they eventually got right was to not specify the religious faith or sect when it came to the constitution or declaration of independence. thank god they did. 

I'm probably done- because you'll likely ignore what I've said or asked and give me a non-reply reply.. however long. hoping not. 

 

[ZenoRazon]

“But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”

- Tommy Jefferson, e176th st and st nicks.

are there 5 churches? more? 39? 51? cool.

I can't tell if you're trolling about the anno domini thing... like thinking if you say "the year 2000 bc" makes you accepting christ as savior somehow. I assume you're trolling.

how many gods in america? I assume you wouldn't want to talk about the indigenous tribes and their religions, so...  the yeah- us was colonized by people of varying christian sects who were persecuted at home and continued to persecute other of differing faiths and sects when they got here. what they eventually got right was to not specify the religious faith or sect when it came to the constitution or declaration of independence. thank god they did. 

I'm probably done- because you'll likely ignore what I've said or asked and give me a non-reply reply.. however long. hoping not. 

Really getting tired of this ridiculous...trolling....thing. Why in the hell would I need to play that silliness?  I DON'T TROLL...ok?

When this country first started out where were we at when it came to religion?  What were the first buildings to go up? Where did we find large groups of people?

And, why did the indian have Gods, who brought God to them?

Why have all the people always needed Gods?

Some years ago they came across a lost tribe in the Phillipines, they were totally primitive, they had a God.

Where can we go on this planet and if people are there, why will we also find their God?

 

[Captain Cranks]

Really getting tired of this ridiculous...trolling....thing. Why in the hell would I need to play that silliness?  I DON'T TROLL...ok?

When this country first started out where were we at when it came to religion?  What were the first buildings to go up? Where did we find large groups of people?

And, why did the indian have Gods, who brought God to them?

Why have all the people always needed Gods?

Some years ago they came across a lost tribe in the Phillipines, they were totally primitive, they had a God.

Where can we go on this planet and if people are there, why will we also find their God?

 

It's the undying quest of man to explain that which can't be explained.  It fills in the gaps to our understanding of our existence and purpose.  Man used to worship the sun.  Why?  Because they didn't understand how it or they came to be and because it seemingly gave man life.  Was the sun God?  No. 

Science has slowly made the gaps in our understanding smaller and smaller.  Some of us have noticed this pattern and concluded that there's not really a creator; God has always just been an attempt by man to fill in the gaps of our understanding.

 

[El Floppo]

Really getting tired of this ridiculous...trolling....thing. Why in the hell would I need to play that silliness?  I DON'T TROLL...ok?

When this country first started out where were we at when it came to religion?  What were the first buildings to go up? Where did we find large groups of people?

And, why did the indian have Gods, who brought God to them?

Why have all the people always needed Gods?

Some years ago they came across a lost tribe in the Phillipines, they were totally primitive, they had a God.

Where can we go on this planet and if people are there, why will we also find their God?

is your point that religion has been with people throughout history or location? was that a point or question raised in here by anybody other than you?  

AD = anno domini = year of our lord = the years following christ's birth = gregorian/western calendar. it's been locked in as the global standard for a long time. it's either that or lunar/other calendars. comparing saying "year of our lord" for what has been a global and secular standard for millennia to a meaning strictly about religion is just... wrong. so ok- you're wrong, not trolling. 

 

[ZenoRazon]

It's the undying quest of man to explain that which can't be explained.  It fills in the gaps to our understanding of our existence and purpose.  Man used to worship the sun.  Why?  Because they didn't understand how it or they came to be and because it seemingly gave man life.  Was the sun God?  No. 

Science has slowly made the gaps in our understanding smaller and smaller.  Some of us have noticed this pattern and concluded that there's not really a creator; God has always just been an attempt by man to fill in the gaps of our understanding.

Then we come across DNA and have to wonder.....how in the hell did something this complex  just happen?

Here we hang,  billions of tons and just hanging out in space.  Why the water isn't falling off....oh yeah, gravity.

We can have this which is totally mind blowing but can't have a creator, it just happened, hell with any actual design. All it took was a....BIG BANG!!!!!!!!  Think about that a BANG...is believable, but oh no no no not a creator.

 

[OrtonToOlsen]

Really getting tired of this ridiculous...trolling....thing. Why in the hell would I need to play that silliness?  I DON'T TROLL...ok?

When this country first started out where were we at when it came to religion?  What were the first buildings to go up? Where did we find large groups of people?

And, why did the indian have Gods, who brought God to them?

Why have all the people always needed Gods?

Some years ago they came across a lost tribe in the Phillipines, they were totally primitive, they had a God.

Where can we go on this planet and if people are there, why will we also find their God?

You’re going to have to try harder than that if you want to unseat StealthyCat as King of Not Really Understanding History

 

[ZenoRazon]

is your point that religion has been with people throughout history or location? was that a point or question raised in here by anybody other than you?  

AD = anno domini = year of our lord = the years following christ's birth = gregorian/western calendar. it's been locked in as the global standard for a long time. it's either that or lunar/other calendars. comparing saying "year of our lord" for what has been a global and secular standard for millennia to a meaning strictly about religion is just... wrong. so ok- you're wrong, not trolling. 

My point is no matter what we will have our Gods. Why?

Anytime you read...our Lord....it's referring to who?  Why is that?

 

[ZenoRazon]

You’re going to have to try harder than that if you want to unseat StealthyCat as King of Not Really Understanding History

Do you?

 

[Epic Problem]

 

 

[OrtonToOlsen]

Do you?

Do I what?

 

[nirad3]

 

[El Floppo]

Do I what?

exactly

 

[El Floppo]

My point is no matter what we will have our Gods. Why?

Anytime you read...our Lord....it's referring to who?  Why is that?

why will people choose to believe in something beyond themselves that belies facts or explanation? don't care. it's everybody's personal leap of faith at this point. what does that point have to do with anything said in here- other than you?

AD, BC... forget it. you genuinely don't seem to understand the distinction. 

 

[Kanil]

I forget where I heard this but I think it applies here.  Zeno and I are fairly close to each other when it comes to religion.  Of the ~3000 gods to have been worshipped, he believes all but one don't exist.  I am only 1 god ahead of him.  Some day his god will be looked at the same as Zeus is today, but for now he's in the same boat the Greek's were in 2000 years ago.