EVILGRIN'S FINAL MOCK - BRAISED IN PERNOD W/ FENNEL AND CRIMINI (1 Viewer)

[wadegarrett]

3- Cleveland – Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame. This pick seemed to be a toss-up between Quinn and Peterson, but the recent news that Peterson re-injured his collarbone in the Fiesta Bowl and may miss training camp means that Quinn has likely edged ahead here. Browns ownership is rumored to want a QB of the future, Quinn played for Crennel’s buddy Charlie Weis at Notre Dame, and he’s an Ohio kid. I can’t see any way the Browns pass him up here, unless they trade down with a team like Miami, which wouldn’t be a bad idea.

Sorry, but I don't see it. Just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[BassNBrew]

Any homers have any input/questions on your teams picks? I expected more vitriol than I've gotten so far..

Thanks for pegging the bumbling idiot to my team. No soup for you!!!

Posluszny? That guy's no idiot... and I think he's being underrated. I was going to give you Reggie Nelson - now HE'S an idiot (supposedly.)

Well he did go to State College rather than Pitt or CMU.Actually you're correct, Nelson is the moron, Posluszny is just gonna be a bust of mammoth proportions.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

3- Cleveland – Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame. This pick seemed to be a toss-up between Quinn and Peterson, but the recent news that Peterson re-injured his collarbone in the Fiesta Bowl and may miss training camp means that Quinn has likely edged ahead here. Browns ownership is rumored to want a QB of the future, Quinn played for Crennel’s buddy Charlie Weis at Notre Dame, and he’s an Ohio kid. I can’t see any way the Browns pass him up here, unless they trade down with a team like Miami, which wouldn’t be a bad idea.

Sorry, but I don't see it. Just doesn't make sense to me.

Down on Quinn I take it?I don't see how they don't do this. Sure, Peterson or Thomas would make a good selection, but they desperately need a franchise QB, and I don't think Anderson or Frye is that guy. Quinn is arguably the best QB in this draft, and according to Kiper, grades out right along with Eli Manning, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Leinart, Young, Cutler, and Russell.

 

[wadegarrett]

3- Cleveland – Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame. This pick seemed to be a toss-up between Quinn and Peterson, but the recent news that Peterson re-injured his collarbone in the Fiesta Bowl and may miss training camp means that Quinn has likely edged ahead here. Browns ownership is rumored to want a QB of the future, Quinn played for Crennel’s buddy Charlie Weis at Notre Dame, and he’s an Ohio kid. I can’t see any way the Browns pass him up here, unless they trade down with a team like Miami, which wouldn’t be a bad idea.

Sorry, but I don't see it. Just doesn't make sense to me.

Down on Quinn I take it?I don't see how they don't do this. Sure, Peterson or Thomas would make a good selection, but they desperately need a franchise QB, and I don't think Anderson or Frye is that guy. Quinn is arguably the best QB in this draft, and according to Kiper, grades out right along with Eli Manning, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Leinart, Young, Cutler, and Russell.

So Quinn would start against the Steelers on Sept. 9th? Think the Browns would throw him to the wolves like that? The fans would turn on him after his first missed throw.Sit behind Frye for a year? What would he learn from Frye?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Any homers have any input/questions on your teams picks? I expected more vitriol than I've gotten so far..

Thanks for pegging the bumbling idiot to my team. No soup for you!!!

Posluszny? That guy's no idiot... and I think he's being underrated. I was going to give you Reggie Nelson - now HE'S an idiot (supposedly.)

Well he did go to State College rather than Pitt or CMU.Actually you're correct, Nelson is the moron, Posluszny is just gonna be a bust of mammoth proportions.

You think? Based on what? I see him as being slightly undervalued. He didn't have the monster senior season, but he was coming off a major injury and a position change and still won the Bednarik award. He doesn't have ideal size or speed, but he's a heady player and I think he has a good career in front of him if he can avoid further injuring that leg. He has no major holes as a player, he's good in pursuit, he's good in coverage, he's got a nose for the ball carrier. He'll never be an elite pass rushing threat, but that's not what Carolina would need from him.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

3- Cleveland – Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame. This pick seemed to be a toss-up between Quinn and Peterson, but the recent news that Peterson re-injured his collarbone in the Fiesta Bowl and may miss training camp means that Quinn has likely edged ahead here. Browns ownership is rumored to want a QB of the future, Quinn played for Crennel’s buddy Charlie Weis at Notre Dame, and he’s an Ohio kid. I can’t see any way the Browns pass him up here, unless they trade down with a team like Miami, which wouldn’t be a bad idea.

Sorry, but I don't see it. Just doesn't make sense to me.

Down on Quinn I take it?I don't see how they don't do this. Sure, Peterson or Thomas would make a good selection, but they desperately need a franchise QB, and I don't think Anderson or Frye is that guy. Quinn is arguably the best QB in this draft, and according to Kiper, grades out right along with Eli Manning, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Leinart, Young, Cutler, and Russell.

So Quinn would start against the Steelers on Sept. 9th? Think the Browns would throw him to the wolves like that? The fans would turn on him after his first missed throw.Sit behind Frye for a year? What would he learn from Frye?

If he did sit, it wouldn't be so much to learn "from Frye" but to be coached and learn the offensive system and the plays. I think he starts at some point this year, probably by week 7 or 8. It's not exactly out of the question that the Browns' season will be all but over by mideason, why not start him then? Eli did it, Ben did it, Vince Young did it, Leinart did it, Cutler did it. More and more, QBs that are high draft picks are starting sooner rather than later.

 

[ImTheScientist]

3- Cleveland – Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame. This pick seemed to be a toss-up between Quinn and Peterson, but the recent news that Peterson re-injured his collarbone in the Fiesta Bowl and may miss training camp means that Quinn has likely edged ahead here. Browns ownership is rumored to want a QB of the future, Quinn played for Crennel’s buddy Charlie Weis at Notre Dame, and he’s an Ohio kid. I can’t see any way the Browns pass him up here, unless they trade down with a team like Miami, which wouldn’t be a bad idea.

Sorry, but I don't see it. Just doesn't make sense to me.

They need a "Face of the Franchise"....when was the last time the browns had this? Bernie Kosar Is Joe Thomas going to put people in the stands? Is Charlie Frye going to lead that franchise? If you don't see this and it doesn't make sense to you, who do you see at that spot and why.

Quinn is the most NFL ready QB in this class IMO.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

3- Cleveland – Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame. This pick seemed to be a toss-up between Quinn and Peterson, but the recent news that Peterson re-injured his collarbone in the Fiesta Bowl and may miss training camp means that Quinn has likely edged ahead here. Browns ownership is rumored to want a QB of the future, Quinn played for Crennel’s buddy Charlie Weis at Notre Dame, and he’s an Ohio kid. I can’t see any way the Browns pass him up here, unless they trade down with a team like Miami, which wouldn’t be a bad idea.

Sorry, but I don't see it. Just doesn't make sense to me.

They need a "Face of the Franchise"....when was the last time the browns had this? Bernie Kosar Is Joe Thomas going to put people in the stands? Is Charlie Frye going to lead that franchise? If you don't see this and it doesn't make sense to you, who do you see at that spot and why.

Quinn is the most NFL ready QB in this class IMO.

I agree 100%. The guy completed 63% of his passes the last two years under Weis' coaching, with 69 TD passes and 14 INTs. That's against a Notre Dame schedule, which means you're playing some of the nation's best defenses 6-7 times a year - he wasn't putting up those numbers in the Mountain West conference. The guy is an elite prospect - I think he's better than Russell and the Browns would be nuts not to take him - he's a local kid, wants to play in Cleveland.Personally, I'd be thrilled if they passed on him, but I don't think they should.

 

[Despyzer]

31- Chicago - Greg Olsen, TE, Miami.

I initially had this pick myself. But then someone pointed out that they got some decent production out of the TEs they already have. That coupled with greater needs at other positions, and I bailed out. I also think a run-first team like Chicago would prefer a TE with some better blocking skills.I appreciate his ability as a receiver from this position, but other than that, show me where I made a mistake by changing my pick.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

3- Cleveland – Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame. This pick seemed to be a toss-up between Quinn and Peterson, but the recent news that Peterson re-injured his collarbone in the Fiesta Bowl and may miss training camp means that Quinn has likely edged ahead here. Browns ownership is rumored to want a QB of the future, Quinn played for Crennel’s buddy Charlie Weis at Notre Dame, and he’s an Ohio kid. I can’t see any way the Browns pass him up here, unless they trade down with a team like Miami, which wouldn’t be a bad idea.

Sorry, but I don't see it. Just doesn't make sense to me.

It does seem to make sense to many of the "experts" that think Quinn to Cleveland is a good fit.

 

[ditka85]

Great effort! Very entertaining!

MMMmmmmmm! Pernod!

 

[Funkley]

FWIW, every year on the Friday before the draft KFAN radio here does a morning show mock draft and every year for the last 7-8 years Mike Morris has predicted not only who the Vikings will take accurately but has inside info as to what they are thinking.

Well this morning Morris said that if Peterson and Landry were both on the board the Vikings would 100% take Landry and that Peterson "isn't on their radar." If they were to trade down it would be to target Lynch.

Normally this would just be talk but Morris has proven to know his #### the last few years. Worth watching.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

31- Chicago - Greg Olsen, TE, Miami.

I initially had this pick myself. But then someone pointed out that they got some decent production out of the TEs they already have. That coupled with greater needs at other positions, and I bailed out. I also think a run-first team like Chicago would prefer a TE with some better blocking skills.I appreciate his ability as a receiver from this position, but other than that, show me where I made a mistake by changing my pick.

It really was as simple as :1) Olsen is a top-15 talent, IMO... the guy has unbelievable hands, phenomenal speed, and is a terrific route runner. I think he's potentially as good or better than Shockey or Winslow. He's a potential steal at #31.

2) His blocking skills are very underrated, he just needs to bulk up a little.

3) Bears could use a deep threat and adding one at TE allows them to pursue upgrading the WR position and really changing the complexion of their offense in one fell swoop.

Just a great intersection of value and need.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Great effort! Very entertaining!MMMmmmmmm! Pernod!

 

[wadegarrett]

3- Cleveland – Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame. This pick seemed to be a toss-up between Quinn and Peterson, but the recent news that Peterson re-injured his collarbone in the Fiesta Bowl and may miss training camp means that Quinn has likely edged ahead here. Browns ownership is rumored to want a QB of the future, Quinn played for Crennel’s buddy Charlie Weis at Notre Dame, and he’s an Ohio kid. I can’t see any way the Browns pass him up here, unless they trade down with a team like Miami, which wouldn’t be a bad idea.

Sorry, but I don't see it. Just doesn't make sense to me.

They need a "Face of the Franchise"....when was the last time the browns had this? Bernie Kosar Is Joe Thomas going to put people in the stands? Is Charlie Frye going to lead that franchise? If you don't see this and it doesn't make sense to you, who do you see at that spot and why.

Quinn is the most NFL ready QB in this class IMO.

"Face of the Franchise"? "People in the stands"?The Browns sell out every game. They don't need to draft someone to "put people in the stands". They don't need a "face of the franchise". The Browns need immediate impact players to help them win now. Crennel needs players to help them win now. Both Thomas and Peterson help them do that.

Giving up on Frye after one year doesn't make sense either. Surrounding him with better talent does.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

FWIW, every year on the Friday before the draft KFAN radio here does a morning show mock draft and every year for the last 7-8 years Mike Morris has predicted not only who the Vikings will take accurately but has inside info as to what they are thinking.Well this morning Morris said that if Peterson and Landry were both on the board the Vikings would 100% take Landry and that Peterson "isn't on their radar." If they were to trade down it would be to target Lynch.Normally this would just be talk but Morris has proven to know his #### the last few years. Worth watching.

Did he mention the DEs, because to me, that's Minnesota's biggest need (along with WR, which provides no value at #7)?

 

[wadegarrett]

3- Cleveland – Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame. This pick seemed to be a toss-up between Quinn and Peterson, but the recent news that Peterson re-injured his collarbone in the Fiesta Bowl and may miss training camp means that Quinn has likely edged ahead here. Browns ownership is rumored to want a QB of the future, Quinn played for Crennel’s buddy Charlie Weis at Notre Dame, and he’s an Ohio kid. I can’t see any way the Browns pass him up here, unless they trade down with a team like Miami, which wouldn’t be a bad idea.

Sorry, but I don't see it. Just doesn't make sense to me.

It does seem to make sense to many of the "experts" that think Quinn to Cleveland is a good fit.

I don't give a crap what the "experts" say. Now, if Phil Savage says Brady Quinn is the man, I'm on board.

 

[Funkley]

FWIW, every year on the Friday before the draft KFAN radio here does a morning show mock draft and every year for the last 7-8 years Mike Morris has predicted not only who the Vikings will take accurately but has inside info as to what they are thinking.Well this morning Morris said that if Peterson and Landry were both on the board the Vikings would 100% take Landry and that Peterson "isn't on their radar." If they were to trade down it would be to target Lynch.Normally this would just be talk but Morris has proven to know his #### the last few years. Worth watching.

Did he mention the DEs, because to me, that's Minnesota's biggest need (along with WR, which provides no value at #7)?

Trying to remember what he said. Everyone on the show basically agreed that DE is a big need but it didn't fit well with the 7th pick I *think* is what the final jugdement was. Adams would be gone and Anderson no longer is value as high as 7th overall. There's discussion among draft scouts that Landry is the best defensive player in the draft and a dream come true for any team playing the cover 2 defense. According to Morris, the Vikings share that thinking.

 

[Funkley]

Adam Scheffler (sp?) Draft Expurt on the radio right now saying that he still thinks Peterson is #1 and Landry is #1a on the Vikings board.

I could live with either but I hope it's Peterson.

ETA: It was Adam Kaplan, not the other guy.

 

[Funkley]

Best mock draft this year.

Thanks, man... appreciate that.

Nice to have a mock draft thread worth posting in.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

FWIW, every year on the Friday before the draft KFAN radio here does a morning show mock draft and every year for the last 7-8 years Mike Morris has predicted not only who the Vikings will take accurately but has inside info as to what they are thinking.Well this morning Morris said that if Peterson and Landry were both on the board the Vikings would 100% take Landry and that Peterson "isn't on their radar." If they were to trade down it would be to target Lynch.Normally this would just be talk but Morris has proven to know his #### the last few years. Worth watching.

Did he mention the DEs, because to me, that's Minnesota's biggest need (along with WR, which provides no value at #7)?

Trying to remember what he said. Everyone on the show basically agreed that DE is a big need but it didn't fit well with the 7th pick I *think* is what the final jugdement was. Adams would be gone and Anderson no longer is value as high as 7th overall. There's discussion among draft scouts that Landry is the best defensive player in the draft and a dream come true for any team playing the cover 2 defense. According to Morris, the Vikings share that thinking.

I would take Landry too if I were the Vikes.

 

[ImTheScientist]

3- Cleveland – Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame. This pick seemed to be a toss-up between Quinn and Peterson, but the recent news that Peterson re-injured his collarbone in the Fiesta Bowl and may miss training camp means that Quinn has likely edged ahead here. Browns ownership is rumored to want a QB of the future, Quinn played for Crennel’s buddy Charlie Weis at Notre Dame, and he’s an Ohio kid. I can’t see any way the Browns pass him up here, unless they trade down with a team like Miami, which wouldn’t be a bad idea.

Sorry, but I don't see it. Just doesn't make sense to me.

They need a "Face of the Franchise"....when was the last time the browns had this? Bernie Kosar Is Joe Thomas going to put people in the stands? Is Charlie Frye going to lead that franchise? If you don't see this and it doesn't make sense to you, who do you see at that spot and why.

Quinn is the most NFL ready QB in this class IMO.

"Face of the Franchise"? "People in the stands"?The Browns sell out every game. They don't need to draft someone to "put people in the stands". They don't need a "face of the franchise". The Browns need immediate impact players to help them win now. Crennel needs players to help them win now. Both Thomas and Peterson help them do that.

Giving up on Frye after one year doesn't make sense either. Surrounding him with better talent does.

I did not know they sold out every game, but are you sure they don't need or want a face of the franchise? They will not win now with either Thomas or Peterson and I don't think either will help them do that. 1) They are at least 2-3 years away if everything goes right from "Winning now"

2) Is Frye going to be that guy 2-3 years from now?

3) Honestly, nobody they pick is going to help them....there is a reason they are picking #3

I think when you say they don't need a face of the franchise you are thinking more like a football fan and a lot less like a GM or President/CEO. Who makes the final call and what is most important to them?

 

[ImTheScientist]

Best mock draft this year.

Thanks, man... appreciate that.

Nice to have a mock draft thread worth posting in.

Nice to have a mock that is not a cut and paste of Kipers mock, and could very much be a possibility! Although people get mad when they don't see that cut and paste mock.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Best mock draft this year.

Thanks, man... appreciate that.

Nice to have a mock draft thread worth posting in.

Nice to have a mock that is not a cut and paste of Kipers mock, and that could very much be a possibility!

Appreciate the kind words, guys. Makes the hours of work worthwhile.

 

[wadegarrett]

3- Cleveland – Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame. This pick seemed to be a toss-up between Quinn and Peterson, but the recent news that Peterson re-injured his collarbone in the Fiesta Bowl and may miss training camp means that Quinn has likely edged ahead here. Browns ownership is rumored to want a QB of the future, Quinn played for Crennel’s buddy Charlie Weis at Notre Dame, and he’s an Ohio kid. I can’t see any way the Browns pass him up here, unless they trade down with a team like Miami, which wouldn’t be a bad idea.

Sorry, but I don't see it. Just doesn't make sense to me.

They need a "Face of the Franchise"....when was the last time the browns had this? Bernie Kosar Is Joe Thomas going to put people in the stands? Is Charlie Frye going to lead that franchise? If you don't see this and it doesn't make sense to you, who do you see at that spot and why.

Quinn is the most NFL ready QB in this class IMO.

"Face of the Franchise"? "People in the stands"?The Browns sell out every game. They don't need to draft someone to "put people in the stands". They don't need a "face of the franchise". The Browns need immediate impact players to help them win now. Crennel needs players to help them win now. Both Thomas and Peterson help them do that.

Giving up on Frye after one year doesn't make sense either. Surrounding him with better talent does.

I did not know they sold out every game, but are you sure they don't need or want a face of the franchise? They will not win now with either Thomas or Peterson and I don't think either will help them do that. 1) They are at least 2-3 years away if everything goes right from "Winning now"

2) Is Frye going to be that guy 2-3 years from now?

3) Honestly, nobody they pick is going to help them....there is a reason they are picking #3

I think when you say they don't need a face of the franchise you are thinking more like a football fan and a lot less like a GM or President/CEO. Who makes the final call and what is most important to them?

Do I think Frye is their QB of the future? No. Just think they to go a different route at No. 3. Like I previously said, if Savage says Quinn is the guy, I'm on board. I'll definitely be in the minority around this town though.

 

[Despyzer]

31- Chicago - Greg Olsen, TE, Miami.

I initially had this pick myself. But then someone pointed out that they got some decent production out of the TEs they already have. That coupled with greater needs at other positions, and I bailed out. I also think a run-first team like Chicago would prefer a TE with some better blocking skills.I appreciate his ability as a receiver from this position, but other than that, show me where I made a mistake by changing my pick.

It really was as simple as :1) Olsen is a top-15 talent, IMO... the guy has unbelievable hands, phenomenal speed, and is a terrific route runner. I think he's potentially as good or better than Shockey or Winslow. He's a potential steal at #31.

2) His blocking skills are very underrated, he just needs to bulk up a little.

3) Bears could use a deep threat and adding one at TE allows them to pursue upgrading the WR position and really changing the complexion of their offense in one fell swoop.

Just a great intersection of value and need.

Fair enough, but in the interest of discussion, I don't really view him as a top 15 talent. I think he is the benefactor of a draft with few standouts at his position. He also seems like on of those workout warriors who puts up great combine numbers moreso than shows the production on the field.

 

[Despyzer]

I don't give a crap what the "experts" say. Now, if Phil Savage says Brady Quinn is the man, I'm on board.

What if Randy Lerner says it?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

31- Chicago - Greg Olsen, TE, Miami.

I initially had this pick myself. But then someone pointed out that they got some decent production out of the TEs they already have. That coupled with greater needs at other positions, and I bailed out. I also think a run-first team like Chicago would prefer a TE with some better blocking skills.I appreciate his ability as a receiver from this position, but other than that, show me where I made a mistake by changing my pick.

It really was as simple as :1) Olsen is a top-15 talent, IMO... the guy has unbelievable hands, phenomenal speed, and is a terrific route runner. I think he's potentially as good or better than Shockey or Winslow. He's a potential steal at #31.

2) His blocking skills are very underrated, he just needs to bulk up a little.

3) Bears could use a deep threat and adding one at TE allows them to pursue upgrading the WR position and really changing the complexion of their offense in one fell swoop.

Just a great intersection of value and need.

Fair enough, but in the interest of discussion, I don't really view him as a top 15 talent. I think he is the benefactor of a draft with few standouts at his position. He also seems like on of those workout warriors who puts up great combine numbers moreso than shows the production on the field.

Could be. I'm not just looking at his 40 time, though, when he runs routes, he comes out of his cuts like a receiver. He's a better route runner than a guy like Dwayne Bowe, who rounds his patterns off. Olsen also has better hands than any of the round 1 receivers (save maybe for CJ, who's in another league) and is as fast as Bowe or Sidney Rice, and faster than Jarrett. He's a better prospect than Heath Miller, and IMO, as good as Shockey or Winslow.

 

[Despyzer]

31- Chicago - Greg Olsen, TE, Miami.

I initially had this pick myself. But then someone pointed out that they got some decent production out of the TEs they already have. That coupled with greater needs at other positions, and I bailed out. I also think a run-first team like Chicago would prefer a TE with some better blocking skills.I appreciate his ability as a receiver from this position, but other than that, show me where I made a mistake by changing my pick.

It really was as simple as :1) Olsen is a top-15 talent, IMO... the guy has unbelievable hands, phenomenal speed, and is a terrific route runner. I think he's potentially as good or better than Shockey or Winslow. He's a potential steal at #31.

2) His blocking skills are very underrated, he just needs to bulk up a little.

3) Bears could use a deep threat and adding one at TE allows them to pursue upgrading the WR position and really changing the complexion of their offense in one fell swoop.

Just a great intersection of value and need.

Fair enough, but in the interest of discussion, I don't really view him as a top 15 talent. I think he is the benefactor of a draft with few standouts at his position. He also seems like on of those workout warriors who puts up great combine numbers moreso than shows the production on the field.

Could be. I'm not just looking at his 40 time, though, when he runs routes, he comes out of his cuts like a receiver. He's a better route runner than a guy like Dwayne Bowe, who rounds his patterns off. Olsen also has better hands than any of the round 1 receivers (save maybe for CJ, who's in another league) and is as fast as Bowe or Sidney Rice, and faster than Jarrett. He's a better prospect than Heath Miller, and IMO, as good as Shockey or Winslow.

Okay, I'll go the other direction then. If all of this is the case, why would he drop to #31?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

31- Chicago - Greg Olsen, TE, Miami.

I initially had this pick myself. But then someone pointed out that they got some decent production out of the TEs they already have. That coupled with greater needs at other positions, and I bailed out. I also think a run-first team like Chicago would prefer a TE with some better blocking skills.I appreciate his ability as a receiver from this position, but other than that, show me where I made a mistake by changing my pick.

It really was as simple as :1) Olsen is a top-15 talent, IMO... the guy has unbelievable hands, phenomenal speed, and is a terrific route runner. I think he's potentially as good or better than Shockey or Winslow. He's a potential steal at #31.

2) His blocking skills are very underrated, he just needs to bulk up a little.

3) Bears could use a deep threat and adding one at TE allows them to pursue upgrading the WR position and really changing the complexion of their offense in one fell swoop.

Just a great intersection of value and need.

Fair enough, but in the interest of discussion, I don't really view him as a top 15 talent. I think he is the benefactor of a draft with few standouts at his position. He also seems like on of those workout warriors who puts up great combine numbers moreso than shows the production on the field.

Could be. I'm not just looking at his 40 time, though, when he runs routes, he comes out of his cuts like a receiver. He's a better route runner than a guy like Dwayne Bowe, who rounds his patterns off. Olsen also has better hands than any of the round 1 receivers (save maybe for CJ, who's in another league) and is as fast as Bowe or Sidney Rice, and faster than Jarrett. He's a better prospect than Heath Miller, and IMO, as good as Shockey or Winslow.

Okay, I'll go the other direction then. If all of this is the case, why would he drop to #31?

Originally I had him going #14 to Carolina, but reports are that they're dead set on a safety in round 1. Outside of Green Bay, Cincinnati, and the Jets, there are really no teams that have needs at TE, and all three of those teams have much more pressing issues elsewhere. The Bears, being the defending NFC champs, are in the enviable position of being able to draft BPA rather than plugging a gaping hole. Hence, they get a terrific value at #31.

 

[Despyzer]

Originally I had him going #14 to Carolina, but reports are that they're dead set on a safety in round 1. Outside of Green Bay, Cincinnati, and the Jets, there are really no teams that have needs at TE, and all three of those teams have much more pressing issues elsewhere. The Bears, being the defending NFC champs, are in the enviable position of being able to draft BPA rather than plugging a gaping hole. Hence, they get a terrific value at #31.

Well-reasoned. I may not agree with you, but I cannot deny that you have thought it through and have a rational thought process going.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Originally I had him going #14 to Carolina, but reports are that they're dead set on a safety in round 1. Outside of Green Bay, Cincinnati, and the Jets, there are really no teams that have needs at TE, and all three of those teams have much more pressing issues elsewhere. The Bears, being the defending NFC champs, are in the enviable position of being able to draft BPA rather than plugging a gaping hole. Hence, they get a terrific value at #31.

Well-reasoned. I may not agree with you, but I cannot deny that you have thought it through and have a rational thought process going.

I really think the Jets will look hard, but if there's still one of the top 3-4 CBs available, I think they go that direction first and look at Zach Miller in round 2.

 

[BassNBrew]

Any homers have any input/questions on your teams picks? I expected more vitriol than I've gotten so far..

Thanks for pegging the bumbling idiot to my team. No soup for you!!!

Posluszny? That guy's no idiot... and I think he's being underrated. I was going to give you Reggie Nelson - now HE'S an idiot (supposedly.)

Well he did go to State College rather than Pitt or CMU.Actually you're correct, Nelson is the moron, Posluszny is just gonna be a bust of mammoth proportions.

You think? Based on what? I see him as being slightly undervalued. He didn't have the monster senior season, but he was coming off a major injury and a position change and still won the Bednarik award. He doesn't have ideal size or speed, but he's a heady player and I think he has a good career in front of him if he can avoid further injuring that leg. He has no major holes as a player, he's good in pursuit, he's good in coverage, he's got a nose for the ball carrier. He'll never be an elite pass rushing threat, but that's not what Carolina would need from him.

Carolina is woefully slow on the defensive side of the ball...they don't need to increase that deffiecency.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Any homers have any input/questions on your teams picks? I expected more vitriol than I've gotten so far..

Thanks for pegging the bumbling idiot to my team. No soup for you!!!

Posluszny? That guy's no idiot... and I think he's being underrated. I was going to give you Reggie Nelson - now HE'S an idiot (supposedly.)

Well he did go to State College rather than Pitt or CMU.Actually you're correct, Nelson is the moron, Posluszny is just gonna be a bust of mammoth proportions.

You think? Based on what? I see him as being slightly undervalued. He didn't have the monster senior season, but he was coming off a major injury and a position change and still won the Bednarik award. He doesn't have ideal size or speed, but he's a heady player and I think he has a good career in front of him if he can avoid further injuring that leg. He has no major holes as a player, he's good in pursuit, he's good in coverage, he's got a nose for the ball carrier. He'll never be an elite pass rushing threat, but that's not what Carolina would need from him.

Carolina is woefully slow on the defensive side of the ball...they don't need to increase that deffiecency.

He never looked that slow to me... he's only a year removed from a major ACL/PCL injury and probably isn't even 100% yet, but still ran a 4.6 40 - that's right there with guys like Timmons and Beason. It's not Patrick Willis fast, but then again, no one else at that position is.

 

[BassNBrew]

Any homers have any input/questions on your teams picks? I expected more vitriol than I've gotten so far..

Thanks for pegging the bumbling idiot to my team. No soup for you!!!

Posluszny? That guy's no idiot... and I think he's being underrated. I was going to give you Reggie Nelson - now HE'S an idiot (supposedly.)

Well he did go to State College rather than Pitt or CMU.Actually you're correct, Nelson is the moron, Posluszny is just gonna be a bust of mammoth proportions.

You think? Based on what? I see him as being slightly undervalued. He didn't have the monster senior season, but he was coming off a major injury and a position change and still won the Bednarik award. He doesn't have ideal size or speed, but he's a heady player and I think he has a good career in front of him if he can avoid further injuring that leg. He has no major holes as a player, he's good in pursuit, he's good in coverage, he's got a nose for the ball carrier. He'll never be an elite pass rushing threat, but that's not what Carolina would need from him.

Carolina is woefully slow on the defensive side of the ball...they don't need to increase that deffiecency.

He never looked that slow to me... he's only a year removed from a major ACL/PCL injury and probably isn't even 100% yet, but still ran a 4.6 40 - that's right there with guys like Timmons and Beason. It's not Patrick Willis fast, but then again, no one else at that position is.

He doesn't have ideal size or speed

Regardless, still a better selection than those saying Olson.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Any homers have any input/questions on your teams picks? I expected more vitriol than I've gotten so far..

Thanks for pegging the bumbling idiot to my team. No soup for you!!!

Posluszny? That guy's no idiot... and I think he's being underrated. I was going to give you Reggie Nelson - now HE'S an idiot (supposedly.)

Well he did go to State College rather than Pitt or CMU.Actually you're correct, Nelson is the moron, Posluszny is just gonna be a bust of mammoth proportions.

You think? Based on what? I see him as being slightly undervalued. He didn't have the monster senior season, but he was coming off a major injury and a position change and still won the Bednarik award. He doesn't have ideal size or speed, but he's a heady player and I think he has a good career in front of him if he can avoid further injuring that leg. He has no major holes as a player, he's good in pursuit, he's good in coverage, he's got a nose for the ball carrier. He'll never be an elite pass rushing threat, but that's not what Carolina would need from him.

Carolina is woefully slow on the defensive side of the ball...they don't need to increase that deffiecency.

He never looked that slow to me... he's only a year removed from a major ACL/PCL injury and probably isn't even 100% yet, but still ran a 4.6 40 - that's right there with guys like Timmons and Beason. It's not Patrick Willis fast, but then again, no one else at that position is.

He doesn't have ideal size or speed

Regardless, still a better selection than those saying Olson.

Not ideal, no, but I wouldn't go so far as to call the man slow... I mean what's a [n---a] gonna do, he's white?Bass, if Carolina can't trade out of #14 and Willis and Landry are off the board, who do you think they'll choose? Timmons? Nelson? Beason? Posluszny? Griffin? Meriweather? Other? Just curious, because you always seem to have a great read on the Panthers and they're the single hardest team to project in round 1, IMO (along with the Steelers right behind them)

 

[BassNBrew]

Any homers have any input/questions on your teams picks? I expected more vitriol than I've gotten so far..

Thanks for pegging the bumbling idiot to my team. No soup for you!!!

Posluszny? That guy's no idiot... and I think he's being underrated. I was going to give you Reggie Nelson - now HE'S an idiot (supposedly.)

Well he did go to State College rather than Pitt or CMU.Actually you're correct, Nelson is the moron, Posluszny is just gonna be a bust of mammoth proportions.

You think? Based on what? I see him as being slightly undervalued. He didn't have the monster senior season, but he was coming off a major injury and a position change and still won the Bednarik award. He doesn't have ideal size or speed, but he's a heady player and I think he has a good career in front of him if he can avoid further injuring that leg. He has no major holes as a player, he's good in pursuit, he's good in coverage, he's got a nose for the ball carrier. He'll never be an elite pass rushing threat, but that's not what Carolina would need from him.

Carolina is woefully slow on the defensive side of the ball...they don't need to increase that deffiecency.

He never looked that slow to me... he's only a year removed from a major ACL/PCL injury and probably isn't even 100% yet, but still ran a 4.6 40 - that's right there with guys like Timmons and Beason. It's not Patrick Willis fast, but then again, no one else at that position is.

He doesn't have ideal size or speed

Regardless, still a better selection than those saying Olson.

Not ideal, no, but I wouldn't go so far as to call the man slow... I mean what's a [n---a] gonna do, he's white?Bass, if Carolina can't trade out of #14 and Willis and Landry are off the board, who do you think they'll choose? Timmons? Nelson? Beason? Posluszny? Griffin? Meriweather? Other? Just curious, because you always seem to have a great read on the Panthers and they're the single hardest team to project in round 1, IMO (along with the Steelers right behind them)

Griffin

 

[Emeril]

Any homers have any input/questions on your teams picks? I expected more vitriol than I've gotten so far..

Thanks for pegging the bumbling idiot to my team. :X No soup for you!!!

Posluszny? That guy's no idiot... and I think he's being underrated. I was going to give you Reggie Nelson - now HE'S an idiot (supposedly.)

Well he did go to State College rather than Pitt or CMU.Actually you're correct, Nelson is the moron, Posluszny is just gonna be a bust of mammoth proportions.

You think? Based on what? I see him as being slightly undervalued. He didn't have the monster senior season, but he was coming off a major injury and a position change and still won the Bednarik award. He doesn't have ideal size or speed, but he's a heady player and I think he has a good career in front of him if he can avoid further injuring that leg. He has no major holes as a player, he's good in pursuit, he's good in coverage, he's got a nose for the ball carrier. He'll never be an elite pass rushing threat, but that's not what Carolina would need from him.

Carolina is woefully slow on the defensive side of the ball...they don't need to increase that deffiecency.

He never looked that slow to me... he's only a year removed from a major ACL/PCL injury and probably isn't even 100% yet, but still ran a 4.6 40 - that's right there with guys like Timmons and Beason. It's not Patrick Willis fast, but then again, no one else at that position is.

He doesn't have ideal size or speed

Regardless, still a better selection than those saying Olson.

Not ideal, no, but I wouldn't go so far as to call the man slow... I mean what's a [n---a] gonna do, he's white?Bass, if Carolina can't trade out of #14 and Willis and Landry are off the board, who do you think they'll choose? Timmons? Nelson? Beason? Posluszny? Griffin? Meriweather? Other? Just curious, because you always seem to have a great read on the Panthers and they're the single hardest team to project in round 1, IMO (along with the Steelers right behind them)

Griffin

Major reach.