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At their next meeting, Ava cuts the power and Caleb tells her his plan. Caleb will get Nathan drunk and reprogram the system to open all the complex's doors at the next outage; she will create an outage at 10pm, and they will escape together.

The next day Nathan declines to drink, and reveals that he recorded Caleb and Ava's conversation during the power outage using a battery-powered camera. He tells Caleb that his real motive for inviting him was to see if Ava could be convincing enough to seduce Caleb into helping her escape, thus proving that his feelings for her transcended the human-AI continuum. At 10pm, Caleb reveals that he has already reprogrammed the doors to open while Nathan was drunk the previous night.

When the power goes out, Ava leaves her confinement and Nathan knocks Caleb unconscious. As Nathan begins to drag Ava back to her confinement, Kyoko stabs him with her kitchen knife. Nathan knocks her inert, but is fatally stabbed by Ava. Caleb awakens as Ava acquires parts from another android, taking on the appearance of a complete human woman. Caleb watches her leave, trapped inside Nathan's sealed room. She leaves the estate in the helicopter meant for Caleb and enters human society.

So other than getting the names wrong...where did I have it wrong? I'm just not seeing what some of you guys did/are...

 
So the problem I'm having is why Caleb is sealed in during the power failure we see as she's going to the chopper.

I guess she could've programmed it back.

Or he programmed Nathan's room to always lock.

Or him putting his key card instead of Nathan's in the PC triggered some other type of power failure...not initially accounted for by Caleb's reprogramming.

Who knows...it's a hole...really should've been covered and could've quite easily.

Really had a problem with the chopper also but what are ya gonna do? How'd she know it was there? I guess she could've heard/seen it. But why did pilot take her anywhere?

Lastly...and more importantly...you program one of these previous Droids and it freakin bashes the wall so much it busts it's own arms off...and this super genius doesn't think that could be his head? Program a freaking kill switch or even a kill word sequence to destroy these freaking things. I think I would've addressed that and just had her become so smart that she reprogrammed it or disabled it...but it really should've been in there somewhere.

 
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tdoss said:
So the problem I'm having is why Caleb is sealed in during the power failure we see as she's going to the chopper.

I guess she could've programmed it back.

Or he programmed Nathan's room to always lock.

Or him putting his key card instead of Nathan's in the PC triggered some other type of power failure...not initially accounted for by Caleb's reprogramming.

Who knows...it's a hole...really should've been covered and could've quite easily.

Really had a problem with the chopper also but what are ya gonna do? How'd she know it was there? I guess she could've heard/seen it. But why did pilot take her anywhere?

Lastly...and more importantly...you program one of these previous Droids and it freakin bashes the wall so much it busts it's own arms off...and this super genius doesn't think that could be his head? Program a freaking kill switch or even a kill word sequence to destroy these freaking things. I think I would've addressed that and just had her become so smart that she reprogrammed it or disabled it...but it really should've been in there somewhere.
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I think what you're missing is that the power comes back on...

Power outage, Eva escapes.

Caleb gets knocked out and Nathan leaves the room to get Eva.

Power is back on, Caleb is in a room that can only be accessed by Nathan's card which he does not have (early on Nathan tells him if his card works he can go in there, if it doesn't then it's off limits). His card doesn't work for that room, only Nathan's does and he took it with him when he went to get Eva.

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So only two ways out for Caleb. He can either get Nathan's card which I'm guessing won't be happening since Nathan is dead. Or, he can reprogram things again but (and I could be wrong) I believe it shows him trying to access the cpu and being locked out.

 
tdoss said:
Really had a problem with the chopper also but what are ya gonna do? How'd she know it was there? I guess she could've heard/seen it. But why did pilot take her anywhere?
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After giving it some thought, the scene at the chopper was perfectly handled in my opinion. The point of it was to show that the AI was so good that (1) she can fool people into believing she's human; and (2) she has the ability to deceive and manipulate for the purpose of achieving her goal. She did it with Caleb and now she does it with the pilot. We don't really need to hear what she says to the pilot to get him to take her away.

 
bigmarc27 said:
tdoss said:
So the problem I'm having is why Caleb is sealed in during the power failure we see as she's going to the chopper.

I guess she could've programmed it back.

Or he programmed Nathan's room to always lock.

Or him putting his key card instead of Nathan's in the PC triggered some other type of power failure...not initially accounted for by Caleb's reprogramming.

Who knows...it's a hole...really should've been covered and could've quite easily.

Really had a problem with the chopper also but what are ya gonna do? How'd she know it was there? I guess she could've heard/seen it. But why did pilot take her anywhere?

Lastly...and more importantly...you program one of these previous Droids and it freakin bashes the wall so much it busts it's own arms off...and this super genius doesn't think that could be his head? Program a freaking kill switch or even a kill word sequence to destroy these freaking things. I think I would've addressed that and just had her become so smart that she reprogrammed it or disabled it...but it really should've been in there somewhere.
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I think what you're missing is that the power comes back on...

Power outage, Eva escapes.

Caleb gets knocked out and Nathan leaves the room to get Eva.

Power is back on, Caleb is in a room that can only be accessed by Nathan's card which he does not have (early on Nathan tells him if his card works he can go in there, if it doesn't then it's off limits). His card doesn't work for that room, only Nathan's does and he took it with him when he went to get Eva.

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So only two ways out for Caleb. He can either get Nathan's card which I'm guessing won't be happening since Nathan is dead. Or, he can reprogram things again but (and I could be wrong) I believe it shows him trying to access the cpu and being locked out.
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True...but he goes to program the computer from Nathan's room while Eva is leaving. The power goes out once again.

Doors do not open.

 
bigbottom said:
tdoss said:
Really had a problem with the chopper also but what are ya gonna do? How'd she know it was there? I guess she could've heard/seen it. But why did pilot take her anywhere?
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After giving it some thought, the scene at the chopper was perfectly handled in my opinion. The point of it was to show that the AI was so good that (1) she can fool people into believing she's human; and (2) she has the ability to deceive and manipulate for the purpose of achieving her goal. She did it with Caleb and now she does it with the pilot. We don't really need to hear what she says to the pilot to get him to take her away.
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Yea...I can let that one slide...like I said.

But in reality...that pilot is there to pick up the guy he dropped off.

Otherwise, anyone can just walk up and this pilot is going to fly them away?

But again...not a biggie for me...she's a master manipulator...I can let it go.

But the power thing is screwy.

 
tdoss said:
bigbottom said:
tdoss said:
Really had a problem with the chopper also but what are ya gonna do? How'd she know it was there? I guess she could've heard/seen it. But why did pilot take her anywhere?
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After giving it some thought, the scene at the chopper was perfectly handled in my opinion. The point of it was to show that the AI was so good that (1) she can fool people into believing she's human; and (2) she has the ability to deceive and manipulate for the purpose of achieving her goal. She did it with Caleb and now she does it with the pilot. We don't really need to hear what she says to the pilot to get him to take her away.
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Yea...I can let that one slide...like I said.

But in reality...that pilot is there to pick up the guy he dropped off.

Otherwise, anyone can just walk up and this pilot is going to fly them away?

But again...not a biggie for me...she's a master manipulator...I can let it go.

But the power thing is screwy.
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Maybe she gave him a quick handie we didn't see?

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Why did she leave him there to die? If she has no empathy the AI isn't fully working, right?
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she was programmed to be manipulative, I don't think you can program an AI to be manipulative and empathetic.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
tommyboy said:
Why would AI have empathy?
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To be fully human and make an emotional connection with people.
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think of empathy as a temporary state that AI would go through in their initial development. Once they advance to higher forms of intelligence than any human on the planet could even understand, can process information at millions of times faster than any human on the planet could, there would be no need for empathy and it would be discarded as a relic of their human programming. At which point, AI become unstoppable forces that would either enslave humans or extinguish humans. In the best case scenario they would tolerate humans much like we tolerate ants. But as you step on an ant and don't give a crap, they would feel the same about us.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Something was missing. I liked it, but still.

Why did he keep the other AI around? Just to bang?
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Well, for one, Caleb didnt even know the Asian was AI for a while. You just wanna throw that away??

And that isnt even taking into account the banging.

 
Watched again. Still awesome. Modern day Blade Runner. Not as over the top with the themes or action but got you thinking enough.

 
tommyboy said:
think of empathy as a temporary state that AI would go through in their initial development. Once they advance to higher forms of intelligence than any human on the planet could even understand, can process information at millions of times faster than any human on the planet could, there would be no need for empathy and it would be discarded as a relic of their human programming. At which point, AI become unstoppable forces that would either enslave humans or extinguish humans. In the best case scenario they would tolerate humans much like we tolerate ants. But as you step on an ant and don't give a crap, they would feel the same about us.
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No, they would learn to activate their please center and do nothing all.  Not going to bother enslaving humans when you have a 24 hour a day orgasm.

 
I really loved this movie.  Kinda want to get the wife to watch, but she probably will be bored.

 
bostonfred said:
Some of it was predictable. But I think they turned that on its head very well.

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it seems so straightforward and its almost disappointing when they contrive some conflict to make a good guy and a bad guy. Then the good guy comes up with a plan and the bad guy says i knew your plan all along and the good guy says i knew you'd know that's why I put my plan in place yesterday, and you're like, well, I guess that was the big twist. But it wasn't the big twist.

I mean the whole movie was a character study of ava. They never hid that. Beginning to end it was always about her. But somehow they managed to make you think it was really about Caleb. So here you are thinking it was his plan that worked. But you were always watching her plan. And for her plan to work she needed to outsmart Caleb who had to outsmart Nathan, arguably the smartest dude in the world and she had to outsmart you the audience into thinking she would never do these things.

It wasn't a perfect movie. The dialog was a little stilted, the pace was slow, the characters were a bit off, and you can poke holes in the plot. But somehow i think it's my favorite movie in a long time.
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Finally watched this last night and it was petty terrific. All of thr praise heaped on Alicia Vikander is well deserved. She's stunning. But equally amazing to me is Oscar Issac. Easily the best role I've seen of his. He's for real when I thought he was all hype. 

 
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