Explosions at Boston Marathon (1 Viewer)

[pollardsvision]

The whole area was in lockdown. The lockdown was lifted and the owner stepped outside for fresh air and noticed the shrinkwrap and the strap holding it down were cut and blood on the boat. He looked insided and saw the suspect and called 911.

To me, this is the craziest part of this. The owner noticed blood and got a ladder to look into the boat?? Huge balls or stupidity?

I imagine the guy felt the way a lot of people might and thought "there is no way the guy is in my boat....I don't want to call the police for a false alarm..."

I can't imagine anyone thinking that if they lived right outside the perimeter. I'd be freaked the #### out.

Yep, I'd have called the police immediately upon seeing the blood.....in a full sprint running down the street.

 

[The_Man]

I cant believe the dude actually looked under the boat cover. A really dumb thing to do.

The two happiest days of a boat owner's life are the day he buys it and the day he lifts the tarp on in it to discover a bleeding terrorist lying inside

 

[jon_mx]

I am not sure why they were setting off flash bangs. Were they trying to disorientate him for some reason? Setting off flash bangs where there could be gasoline and/or explosives present does not seem that smart. It seems like they went through a lot of trouble to take him alive.

My understanding is that flash-bangs are "light & sound" grenades, not really conventionally explosive as normally understood.

Yes, their main role is to produce a bright flash and make a loud noise. Their intent is not to injure. But still they do explode and could cause a fire or set off another explosion. Given a canvass cover, a flammable boat, possible gasoline, and potentially explosives still on his person.....seems like a high risk and little to be gained by setting them off. Seems like the police were like, hey we got these, let's use them.

In that situation, setting off an explosion isn't the worst thing in the world. Had the kid prepared an explosive device, they'd have wanted to set it off anyway.

I thought it was a high priority to take him alive. Not that I fault them for being overly cautious, but it does not make sense. Of course maybe that is why he missed when he tried to kill himself.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I am not sure why they were setting off flash bangs. Were they trying to disorientate him for some reason? Setting off flash bangs where there could be gasoline and/or explosives present does not seem that smart. It seems like they went through a lot of trouble to take him alive.

My understanding is that flash-bangs are "light & sound" grenades, not really conventionally explosive as normally understood.

Yes, their main role is to produce a bright flash and make a loud noise. Their intent is not to injure. But still they do explode and could cause a fire or set off another explosion. Given a canvass cover, a flammable boat, possible gasoline, and potentially explosives still on his person.....seems like a high risk and little to be gained by setting them off. Seems like the police were like, hey we got these, let's use them.

In that situation, setting off an explosion isn't the worst thing in the world. Had the kid prepared an explosive device, they'd have wanted to set it off anyway.

I thought it was a high priority to take him alive. Not that I fault them for being overly cautious, but it does not make sense. Of course maybe that is why he missed when he tried to kill himself.

sounded like there was a gunfight early on in the boat standoff. not sure they'd be firing rounds at him if keeping him alive was the top priority.

 

[jon_mx]

I cant believe the dude actually looked under the boat cover. A really dumb thing to do.

The two happiest days of a boat owner's life are the day he buys it and the day he lifts the tarp on in it to discover a bleeding terrorist lying inside

Only if he has terrorist insurance.

 

[Billy Bats]

All remaining patients expected to live, including the transit officer who was shot in the gun battle.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/22/17863764-doctors-all-boston-bomb-patients-likely-to-live?lite

 

[JuniorNB]

I am not sure why they were setting off flash bangs. Were they trying to disorientate him for some reason? Setting off flash bangs where there could be gasoline and/or explosives present does not seem that smart. It seems like they went through a lot of trouble to take him alive.

My understanding is that flash-bangs are "light & sound" grenades, not really conventionally explosive as normally understood.

Yes, their main role is to produce a bright flash and make a loud noise. Their intent is not to injure. But still they do explode and could cause a fire or set off another explosion. Given a canvass cover, a flammable boat, possible gasoline, and potentially explosives still on his person.....seems like a high risk and little to be gained by setting them off. Seems like the police were like, hey we got these, let's use them.

In that situation, setting off an explosion isn't the worst thing in the world. Had the kid prepared an explosive device, they'd have wanted to set it off anyway.

I thought it was a high priority to take him alive. Not that I fault them for being overly cautious, but it does not make sense. Of course maybe that is why he missed when he tried to kill himself.

sounded like there was a gunfight early on in the boat standoff. not sure they'd be firing rounds at him if keeping him alive was the top priority.

He lifted the tarp and poked his head out and started firing. The cops shot back, but I think that he initiated the bullet exchange.

 

[pollardsvision]

I am not sure why they were setting off flash bangs. Were they trying to disorientate him for some reason? Setting off flash bangs where there could be gasoline and/or explosives present does not seem that smart. It seems like they went through a lot of trouble to take him alive.

My understanding is that flash-bangs are "light & sound" grenades, not really conventionally explosive as normally understood.

Yes, their main role is to produce a bright flash and make a loud noise. Their intent is not to injure. But still they do explode and could cause a fire or set off another explosion. Given a canvass cover, a flammable boat, possible gasoline, and potentially explosives still on his person.....seems like a high risk and little to be gained by setting them off. Seems like the police were like, hey we got these, let's use them.

In that situation, setting off an explosion isn't the worst thing in the world. Had the kid prepared an explosive device, they'd have wanted to set it off anyway.

I thought it was a high priority to take him alive. Not that I fault them for being overly cautious, but it does not make sense. Of course maybe that is why he missed when he tried to kill himself.

I'd assume the thinking is that if he's got a bomb set and ready to go, there's virtually no safe way to take him alive at that point anyway.

 

[tdoss]

Glad to see tim working his mojo in this thread. His pompousity knows no bounds.

I try be bounded by spelling.

I laughed when I saw that too.Tim is a slave to spelling but grammar be damned!

 

[tdoss]

It's interesting...authorities obviously wanted to question this kid...so they put onus on taking him alive. Dormer on the other hand...authorities didn't want talking about anything.

 

[QuizGuy66]

The whole area was in lockdown. The lockdown was lifted and the owner stepped outside for fresh air and noticed the shrinkwrap and the strap holding it down were cut and blood on the boat. He looked insided and saw the suspect and called 911.

To me, this is the craziest part of this. The owner noticed blood and got a ladder to look into the boat?? Huge balls or stupidity?

I imagine the guy felt the way a lot of people might and thought "there is no way the guy is in my boat....I don't want to call the police for a false alarm..."

Coulda been a squirrel.

-QG

 

[Fat Nick]

I cant believe the dude actually looked under the boat cover. A really dumb thing to do.

This was the first thing I said too. That'd be the LAST thing I'd do. I'd blow my own boat up before I'd look under that cover.

 

[culdeus]

It's interesting...authorities obviously wanted to question this kid...so they put onus on taking him alive. Dormer on the other hand...authorities didn't want talking about anything.

So how is that investigation going into his allegations? I assume they've wrapped it up with no new findings. All is good, just keep moving like nothing happened and pocket that reward money.

 

[simsarge]

I wonder if the cops drew straws to see who was going to be the guy to chuck a grenade in a boat they figured was probably housing at least some amount of explosives and run like hell before it went off.

Not sure if Boston PD have a combine to see who has the best 40 times

 

[Fennis]

Everyone can calm down now....

Reuters Top News ‏@Reuters 9m

Boston bombing suspect not treated as enemy combatant," will be prosecuted via criminal justice system: White House #breaking

CBS News ‏@CBSNews 6m

JUST IN: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev arraigned in his hospital bed earlier today, charges have been sealed until 1st court appearance.

McCain and GrahamCracker are idiots

If I had to pick on person on this board that would be in favor of the guy being treated as enemy combatant it would have been Jon.

 

[Keerock]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been charged in federal court with use of a weapon of mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death.

The statutory charges authorize a penalty, upon conviction, of death or imprisonment for life or any term of years, according to a statement from the Department of Justice.

Tsarnaev had his initial court appearance today from his hospital room.

 

[Fennis]

I cant believe the dude actually looked under the boat cover. A really dumb thing to do.

The two happiest days of a boat owner's life are the day he buys it and the day he lifts the tarp on in it to discover a bleeding terrorist lying inside

 

[SacramentoBob]

It's interesting...authorities obviously wanted to question this kid...so they put onus on taking him alive. Dormer on the other hand...authorities didn't want talking about anything.

 

[mad sweeney]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been charged in federal court with use of a weapon of mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death.

The statutory charges authorize a penalty, upon conviction, of death or imprisonment for life or any term of years, according to a statement from the Department of Justice.

Tsarnaev had his initial court appearance today from his hospital room.

Does this mean he's been Mirandized yet?

 

[B-Deep]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been charged in federal court with use of a weapon of mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death.

The statutory charges authorize a penalty, upon conviction, of death or imprisonment for life or any term of years, according to a statement from the Department of Justice.

Tsarnaev had his initial court appearance today from his hospital room.

Does this mean he's been Mirandized yet?

I do not believe so

Could be wrong though, I still have not seen any indication he was and they said the plan was not to Mirandize him

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been charged in federal court with use of a weapon of mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death.

The statutory charges authorize a penalty, upon conviction, of death or imprisonment for life or any term of years, according to a statement from the Department of Justice.

Tsarnaev had his initial court appearance today from his hospital room.

I know this will be super-unpopular, but I don't think a conventional bombing should qualify as a "weapon of mass destruction." Not that there aren't a bunch of other things you could prosecute him for, of course, but when I think of a WMD, I'm thinking of nukes or maybe biological/chemical weapons, not a pressure cooker bomb.

 

[B-Deep]

kind of unclear...

Investigators initially chose not to read Tsarnaev his Miranda rights against self-incrimination, opting instead for a rare public safety exception in questioning him.Such exceptions are permitted if there is a need to protect the public from immediate danger.

ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero says the exception applies only when there's a continued threat to public safety and is "not an open-ended exception" to the Miranda rule.

Otherwise, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said on Monday Boston bombing suspect Dzokhar Tsarnaev will not be tried as an enemy combatant.

"He will not be treated as an enemy combatant," Carney said. "We will prosecute this terrorist through civilian system of justice. Under U.S. law, United States citizens cannot be tried in military commissions. It is important to remember since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists."

Carney noted that the federal courts have been used as the venues for the prosecution of Faisal Shahzad, the Pakistani-American citizen for the failed May 2010 Times Square car bombing and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Nigerian man known as the "underwear bomber" who tried to blow up a Detroit-bound flight on Christmas Day 2009.

He added, "The system has repeatedly proven it can successfully handle the threat we continue to face."

 

[Henry Ford]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been charged in federal court with use of a weapon of mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death.

The statutory charges authorize a penalty, upon conviction, of death or imprisonment for life or any term of years, according to a statement from the Department of Justice.

Tsarnaev had his initial court appearance today from his hospital room.

I know this will be super-unpopular, but I don't think a conventional bombing should qualify as a "weapon of mass destruction." Not that there aren't a bunch of other things you could prosecute him for, of course, but when I think of a WMD, I'm thinking of nukes or maybe biological/chemical weapons, not a pressure cooker bomb.

Definitely something to take up with your congressional rep, then. Bombs are in the definition in the statute.

 

[worrierking]

Designating him as an enemy combatant does not preclude trying him in civilian court. You can designate him as an enemy combatant, interrogate him regarding other possible threats and when you are satisfied that there is no more danger, you arrest him and read him his miranda rights. You may not be able to use the results of the interrogation at trial, but that shouldn't be an issue in this case. The evidence they have is pretty strong without anything he could potentially say.

I am guessing they have already looked through all the computers and cellphone records and decided there is no major sleeper cell working with them, so it's very easy to just go straight to the normal process.

That's good news.

 

[Buckfast 1]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been charged in federal court with use of a weapon of mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death.

The statutory charges authorize a penalty, upon conviction, of death or imprisonment for life or any term of years, according to a statement from the Department of Justice.

Tsarnaev had his initial court appearance today from his hospital room.

Does this mean he's been Mirandized yet?

I do not believe soCould be wrong though, I still have not seen any indication he was and they said the plan was not to Mirandize him

At the initial appearance, the federal judge is required to inform the defendant that he has a right to retain counsel and a right not to make a statement and that any statement can be used against him. So, Tsarnaev has now been officially informed of his "Miranda rights" by the federal judge.It sounds like the FBI conducted some preliminary interrogations without reading him "Miranda rights" under the public safety exception, but the Miranda issue is no longer relevant unless Tsarnaev files a motion to suppress any statements that he made to the FBI prior to today.

 

[DiStefano]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been charged in federal court with use of a weapon of mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death.

The statutory charges authorize a penalty, upon conviction, of death or imprisonment for life or any term of years, according to a statement from the Department of Justice.

Tsarnaev had his initial court appearance today from his hospital room.

I know this will be super-unpopular, but I don't think a conventional bombing should qualify as a "weapon of mass destruction." Not that there aren't a bunch of other things you could prosecute him for, of course, but when I think of a WMD, I'm thinking of nukes or maybe biological/chemical weapons, not a pressure cooker bomb.

Well, Bush was going after the pressure cookers in Iraq, so I guess they qualify.

 

[Copeman]

This is all going to end very soon.

 

[mad sweeney]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been charged in federal court with use of a weapon of mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death.

The statutory charges authorize a penalty, upon conviction, of death or imprisonment for life or any term of years, according to a statement from the Department of Justice.

Tsarnaev had his initial court appearance today from his hospital room.

I know this will be super-unpopular, but I don't think a conventional bombing should qualify as a "weapon of mass destruction." Not that there aren't a bunch of other things you could prosecute him for, of course, but when I think of a WMD, I'm thinking of nukes or maybe biological/chemical weapons, not a pressure cooker bomb.

It's pretty absurd to call it that, that shouldn't be an unpopular opinion at all. In terms of lives, Sandy Hook and Aurora shooters killed much more than this one. If we're going to start treating a pressure cooker as a WMD then we're going to have to start invading every country on the Earth.

 

[eurotrashman]

It's interesting...authorities obviously wanted to question this kid...so they put onus on taking him alive. Dormer on the other hand...authorities didn't want talking about anything.

Was Dormer the guy on the ground with the robots?

 

[Tremendous Upside]

They were bombs detonated in a major American city. As awful as the three deaths were it could have been much worse. You can't let casualty count dictate the charge IMO

 

[ATC1]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been charged in federal court with use of a weapon of mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death.

The statutory charges authorize a penalty, upon conviction, of death or imprisonment for life or any term of years, according to a statement from the Department of Justice.

Tsarnaev had his initial court appearance today from his hospital room.

I know this will be super-unpopular, but I don't think a conventional bombing should qualify as a "weapon of mass destruction." Not that there aren't a bunch of other things you could prosecute him for, of course, but when I think of a WMD, I'm thinking of nukes or maybe biological/chemical weapons, not a pressure cooker bomb.

It's pretty absurd to call it that, that shouldn't be an unpopular opinion at all. In terms of lives, Sandy Hook and Aurora shooters killed much more than this one. If we're going to start treating a pressure cooker as a WMD then we're going to have to start invading every country on the Earth.

meh. What is the actual definition of a WMD? Unlike the shootings, there was no intended target when it went off.

Per wiki pedia - a weapon that can kill and bring significant harm to a large number of humans (and other life forms) and/or cause great damage to man-made structures.

That's exactly what it was.

 

[Fennis]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been charged in federal court with use of a weapon of mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death.

The statutory charges authorize a penalty, upon conviction, of death or imprisonment for life or any term of years, according to a statement from the Department of Justice.

Tsarnaev had his initial court appearance today from his hospital room.

I know this will be super-unpopular, but I don't think a conventional bombing should qualify as a "weapon of mass destruction." Not that there aren't a bunch of other things you could prosecute him for, of course, but when I think of a WMD, I'm thinking of nukes or maybe biological/chemical weapons, not a pressure cooker bomb.

Definitely something to take up with your congressional rep, then. Bombs are in the definition in the statute.

Emailing your congressman and ask them to go easier on terrorists wont go very far

 

[Novice2]

The whole area was in lockdown. The lockdown was lifted and the owner stepped outside for fresh air and noticed the shrinkwrap and the strap holding it down were cut and blood on the boat. He looked insided and saw the suspect and called 911.

To me, this is the craziest part of this. The owner noticed blood and got a ladder to look into the boat?? Huge balls or stupidity?

Stupidity. The smart thing to do would lock the guy in the basement until a million$ reward was offered.

 

[KCitons]

They were bombs detonated in a major American city. As awful as the three deaths were it could have been much worse. You can't let casualty count dictate the charge IMO

+1

What if these two had access to some real explosives, I can't imagine what a backpack full of other (more dangerous) explosives would have done.

 

[Novice2]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been charged in federal court with use of a weapon of mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death.

The statutory charges authorize a penalty, upon conviction, of death or imprisonment for life or any term of years, according to a statement from the Department of Justice.

Tsarnaev had his initial court appearance today from his hospital room.

I know this will be super-unpopular, but I don't think a conventional bombing should qualify as a "weapon of mass destruction." Not that there aren't a bunch of other things you could prosecute him for, of course, but when I think of a WMD, I'm thinking of nukes or maybe biological/chemical weapons, not a pressure cooker bomb.

they charged that military guy with a WMD charge for using a rocket launcher in Syria. Guess the WMD charge is the new IRS.

 

[the moops]

If we're going to start treating a pressure cooker as a WMD then we're going to have to start invading every country on the Earth.

Don't be dumb

 

[Workhorse]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been charged in federal court with use of a weapon of mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death.

The statutory charges authorize a penalty, upon conviction, of death or imprisonment for life or any term of years, according to a statement from the Department of Justice.

Tsarnaev had his initial court appearance today from his hospital room.

I know this will be super-unpopular, but I don't think a conventional bombing should qualify as a "weapon of mass destruction." Not that there aren't a bunch of other things you could prosecute him for, of course, but when I think of a WMD, I'm thinking of nukes or maybe biological/chemical weapons, not a pressure cooker bomb.

Not a lawyer but could it be that the only way to have federal charges is to classify the bombs as WMDs?

 

[Novice2]

If we're going to start treating a pressure cooker as a WMD then we're going to have to start invading every country on the Earth.

Don't be dumb

More like dumbing down WMD.

 

[got_nugs]

How long is this moment of silence?

I guess about 5 minutes...significant?

 

[Politician Spock]

If we're going to start treating a pressure cooker as a WMD then we're going to have to start invading every country on the Earth.

Don't be dumb

More like dumbing down WMD.

Chick Fil A uses presurized fryers to cook their chicken. I think this new WMD definition could play well for those who hate Chick Fil A.

 

[KCitons]

Curios to see what the details are on this. They claim it is unrelated to the Boston Marathon bombings. But, the timing and proximity to Boston is interesting.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/04/22/pol-terror-plot-ontario-quebec-arrests.html

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Canada just announced they broke up a terrorist plot with NYC as a target. :developing:

 

[tdoss]

And we found no WMD's in Iraq? Not one pressure cooker in the entire land?

 

[Keerock]

And we found no WMD's in Iraq? Not one pressure cooker in the entire land?

Chic-Fil-A not in Iraq yet...

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Oh man, Canada one is big. Blowing up a train bridge, connections in U.S. and overseas and radical evidence up the ####.

 

[pollardsvision]

Oh man, Canada one is big. Blowing up a train bridge, connections in U.S. and overseas and radical evidence up the ####.

Wow.

CNN on it. Fox on commerical. MSNBC not reporting it.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

http://gma.yahoo.com/bombing-suspect-called-mom-moments-131317235.html

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, called his mother early Friday morning, alerting her that police were following him and his younger brother and that there had been a shooting.

"'The police, they have started shooting at us, they are chasing us,'" Zubeidat Tsarnaeva told ABC News in a telephone interview.

The conversation ended when Tsarnaev said, "'Mama, I love you,'" his mother said.

Tsarnaeva got frightened and started to cry and shout. He told her Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, was with him before the line cut off.

This is great. Sounds like emotionally, mentally and physically went through a painful death.

And younger brother gets to spend his last days on Earth knowing he put the final nail in his brother's existence running him over.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I saw a report that Tamerlan called Uncle Ruslan on Thursday in a confusing call to ask for forgiveness.

 

[BigJohn]

http://gma.yahoo.com/bombing-suspect-called-mom-moments-131317235.html

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, called his mother early Friday morning, alerting her that police were following him and his younger brother and that there had been a shooting.

"'The police, they have started shooting at us, they are chasing us,'" Zubeidat Tsarnaeva told ABC News in a telephone interview.

The conversation ended when Tsarnaev said, "'Mama, I love you,'" his mother said.

Tsarnaeva got frightened and started to cry and shout. He told her Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, was with him before the line cut off.

This is great. Sounds like emotionally, mentally and physically went through a painful death.

And younger brother gets to spend his last days on Earth knowing he put the final nail in his brother's existence running him over.

Tsarnaeva is the mother.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

But here is

Great stuff