Explosions at Boston Marathon (2 Viewers)

[Nipsey]

What was cause of death of the older brother?

stupidity

 

[Rohn Jambo]

You guys who listened to the police scanners were so confused.

The green Honda Civic was the car driven by Black Hat and he left it in Watertown, at the scene of the shootout. Police was not searching FOR the car. They were searching it with a robot to check for more explosive devices.

 

[Fennis]

What was cause of death of the older brother?

Medical Examiner needs to release a report. This is what the doctor said:

The older Tsarnaev's clothes had been cut off by emergency responders at the scene, so if he had been wearing a vest with explosives, he wasn't by the time he arrived at the hospital, the doctor said."From head to toe, every region of his body had injuries," he said."His legs and arms were intact - he wasn't blown into a million pieces" - but he lost a pulse and was in cardiac arrest, meaning his heart and circulation had stopped, so CPR, or cardio-pulmonary resuscitation, was started.

Schoenfeld said he couldn't discuss specific treatments in the case except to say what is usually done in such circumstances, including putting a needle in the chest to relieve pressure that can damage blood vessels, and cutting open the chest and using rib-spreaders to let doctors drain blood in the sac around the heart that can put pressure on the heart and keep it from beating."Once you've done all of those things ... if they don't respond there's really nothing you can do. You've exhausted the playbook,'' he said.

After 15 minutes of unsuccessful treatment, doctors pronounced him dead."We did everything we could'' to try to save his life, Schoenfeld said.How did the medical team react to treating the bombing suspect?"There was some discussion in the emergency room about who it was. That discussion ended pretty quickly," Schoenfeld said.

 

[KCitons]

Daily Mail saying he is awake and answering questions in writing

Good, as soon as he is done, put the pillow over his face and keep it there.

This little ******* doesn't deserve such a quick, peaceful death.

It wouldn't be peaceful if the pillow was Rosie O'Donnell's ###

 

[KCitons]

What was cause of death of the older brother?

messin with with the U.S.A

 

[Rohn Jambo]

What was cause of death of the older brother?

Medical Examiner needs to release a report. This is what the doctor said:

The older Tsarnaev's clothes had been cut off by emergency responders at the scene, so if he had been wearing a vest with explosives, he wasn't by the time he arrived at the hospital, the doctor said."From head to toe, every region of his body had injuries," he said."His legs and arms were intact - he wasn't blown into a million pieces" - but he lost a pulse and was in cardiac arrest, meaning his heart and circulation had stopped, so CPR, or cardio-pulmonary resuscitation, was started. Schoenfeld said he couldn't discuss specific treatments in the case except to say what is usually done in such circumstances, including putting a needle in the chest to relieve pressure that can damage blood vessels, and cutting open the chest and using rib-spreaders to let doctors drain blood in the sac around the heart that can put pressure on the heart and keep it from beating."Once you've done all of those things ... if they don't respond there's really nothing you can do. You've exhausted the playbook,'' he said. After 15 minutes of unsuccessful treatment, doctors pronounced him dead."We did everything we could'' to try to save his life, Schoenfeld said.How did the medical team react to treating the bombing suspect?"There was some discussion in the emergency room about who it was. That discussion ended pretty quickly," Schoenfeld said.

Yes. Big discrepancy between the doctor and Watertown police chief's comments. But people who live near the shoot out witnessed the whole thing.

 

[DiStefano]

Daily Mail saying he is awake and answering questions in writing

Good, as soon as he is done, put the pillow over his face and keep it there.

This little ******* doesn't deserve such a quick, peaceful death.

It wouldn't be peaceful if the pillow was Rosie O'Donnell's ###

Yes, but in that case the pillow would cover his whole body.

 

[KCitons]

Daily Mail saying he is awake and answering questions in writing

Good, as soon as he is done, put the pillow over his face and keep it there.

This little ******* doesn't deserve such a quick, peaceful death.

It wouldn't be peaceful if the pillow was Rosie O'Donnell's ###

Yes, but in that case the pillow would cover his whole body.

He'd still be dead. Smelly, but dead.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Daily Mail saying he is awake and answering questions in writing

Good, as soon as he is done, put the pillow over his face and keep it there.

This little ******* doesn't deserve such a quick, peaceful death.

It wouldn't be peaceful if the pillow was Rosie O'Donnell's ###

Yes, but in that case the pillow would cover his whole body.

He'd still be dead. Smelly, but dead.

Stop it. Torture is not legal.

 

[the moops]

What was cause of death of the older brother?

Medical Examiner needs to release a report. This is what the doctor said:

>The older Tsarnaev's clothes had been cut off by emergency responders at the scene, so if he had been wearing a vest with explosives, he wasn't by the time he arrived at the hospital, the doctor said."From head to toe, every region of his body had injuries," he said."His legs and arms were intact - he wasn't blown into a million pieces" - but he lost a pulse and was in cardiac arrest, meaning his heart and circulation had stopped, so CPR, or cardio-pulmonary resuscitation, was started. Schoenfeld said he couldn't discuss specific treatments in the case except to say what is usually done in such circumstances, including putting a needle in the chest to relieve pressure that can damage blood vessels, and cutting open the chest and using rib-spreaders to let doctors drain blood in the sac around the heart that can put pressure on the heart and keep it from beating."Once you've done all of those things ... if they don't respond there's really nothing you can do. You've exhausted the playbook,'' he said. After 15 minutes of unsuccessful treatment, doctors pronounced him dead."We did everything we could'' to try to save his life, Schoenfeld said.How did the medical team react to treating the bombing suspect?"There was some discussion in the emergency room about who it was. That discussion ended pretty quickly," Schoenfeld said.

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Yes. Big discrepancy between the doctor and Watertown police chief's comments. But people who live near the shoot out witnessed the whole thing.

What's the discrepancy? The chief said he was alive when they cuffed him but then got ran over by his brother. Not sure that is inconsistent wit what the doc says.

 

[Guest]

Has CNN reported the identity of the man in the boat yet?

It's not time for you to learn about the man in the boat yet.

Police Radio Announcement: We are looking for the man in the boat.Male Officers: Female Officers:

 

[wilked]

Has CNN reported the identity of the man in the boat yet?

It's not time for you to learn about the man in the boat yet.

Police Radio Announcement: We are looking for the man in the boat.Male Officers: Female Officers:

Top notch stuff here fellas

 

[Raider Nation]

Has CNN reported the identity of the man in the boat yet?

It's not time for you to learn about the man in the boat yet.

Police Radio Announcement: We are looking for the man in the boat.Male Officers: Female Officers:

Top notch stuff here fellas

Wow, Tanner was right.

 

[Nikki2200]

What was cause of death of the older brother?

Various gunshot wounds and being run over by an SUV? Just guessing.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

Has CNN reported the identity of the man in the boat yet?

They are waiting for confirmation from Rachel Maddow.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

What was cause of death of the older brother?

stupidity

No, if only they liked Hondas then they would still be okay. Too bad they truely loved Mercedes.

 

[T Bell]

Reddit must have the ic:

Black backpack , brown sweater , brown skin

check this link out

http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA#T5X1A47

white guy in blue looks creepy

some of the detective work done in there is pretty good

ORLY?

 

[T Bell]

What was cause of death of the older brother?

He fell.

 

[jon_mx]

What was cause of death of the older brother?

stupidity

being losers!

 

[wilked]

What was cause of death of the older brother?

stupidity

being losers!

I searched for a few mins yesterday on youtube, can't believe no one has made a Uncle Ruslan remix / song yet...

million+ hit idea if someone is handy with that thing

 

[T Bell]

What was cause of death of the older brother?

stupidity

Is this Goose shtick?

:topgun:

 

[culdeus]

I still want to know how the hell he got away after the firefight. Of all the crap that happened that's the least believable part of all of it. You are telling me not one single cop car or WB was unable to stay with him?

And so he detonated another one of those bombs during the firefight and hit nothing? A dud?

If someone posts the full story of the firefight I'd like to see it. It's possible I overlooked it already.

 

[DiStefano]

I still want to know how the hell he got away after the firefight. Of all the crap that happened that's the least believable part of all of it. You are telling me not one single cop car or WB was unable to stay with him?

Actually, all of them were.

 

[Abraham]

I still want to know how the hell he got away after the firefight. Of all the crap that happened that's the least believable part of all of it. You are telling me not one single cop car or WB was unable to stay with him? And so he detonated another one of those bombs during the firefight and hit nothing? A dud? If someone posts the full story of the firefight I'd like to see it. It's possible I overlooked it already.

Agreed. I don't buy for a minute that they backed off as to not cause a stir in the neighborhood. He blew up a bomb at a huge even lt and killed a policeman - no way you relax the effort if you has him in sight.

 

[Smack Tripper]

I still want to know how the hell he got away after the firefight. Of all the crap that happened that's the least believable part of all of it. You are telling me not one single cop car or WB was unable to stay with him?

And so he detonated another one of those bombs during the firefight and hit nothing? A dud?

If someone posts the full story of the firefight I'd like to see it. It's possible I overlooked it already.

From what I understand, they were within range of their getaway vehicle and at some point upon returning to it, they/he threw another "pressure cooker bomb" from the vehicle which did ignite but because the cover wasn't properly engaged, it didn't have anywhere near the impact it could/should have (thankfully). But if you see two known bombers throw a bomb, I would assume you take cover worrying about that bomb or more bombs.

 

[Henry Ford]

I still want to know how the hell he got away after the firefight. Of all the crap that happened that's the least believable part of all of it. You are telling me not one single cop car or WB was unable to stay with him?

And so he detonated another one of those bombs during the firefight and hit nothing? A dud?

If someone posts the full story of the firefight I'd like to see it. It's possible I overlooked it already.

Allegedly the bomb that was detonated was thrown toward the police and the lid partially dislodged, turning the thing from a bomb into a missile. The police recovered it embedded in a nearby vehicle.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I am still waiting to hear that Lords & Taylor added the cameras after the mom's shoplifting arrest last year. Or, those same cameras were used in that arrest also.

 

[Apple Jack]

I still want to know how the hell he got away after the firefight. Of all the crap that happened that's the least believable part of all of it. You are telling me not one single cop car or WB was unable to stay with him?

And so he detonated another one of those bombs during the firefight and hit nothing? A dud?

If someone posts the full story of the firefight I'd like to see it. It's possible I overlooked it already.

Probably a good idea to wait to see what happened before suggesting the cops suck.

 

[Worm]

My wife said she heard on one of the national news stations that the police had given the 'all clear' on the boat property earlier in the day, and that at some point the owner noticed the cover dislodged, saw white hat in the boat, and called the police back. They then ran the thermal and confirmed. True or just another false report?

If true, wow... that's some incompetence.

 

[Billy Bats]

My wife said she heard on one of the national news stations that the police had given the 'all clear' on the boat property earlier in the day, and that at some point the owner noticed the cover dislodged, saw white hat in the boat, and called the police back. They then ran the thermal and confirmed. True or just another false report?

If true, wow... that's some incompetence.

I had heard this Friday night and this is from Yahoo...

The home where Tsarnaev was eventually discovered was outside the 20-block perimeter, and had not been searched.

 

[ffjunk]

Here is an audio link to the Watertown Police Chief on WEEI this morning where he talks about the shootout.The 2 brothers were in separate cars. They had suspect 1 in handcuffs when #2 got into the suv and drove at them, narrowly missing the officers.

The house with the boat was just outside their perimeter that they had speculated where he could be. Great info in the interview.

http://audio.weei.com/a/73858204/watertown-police-chief-ed-devau-s-final-segment-on-the-show.htm

ETA : Here are more links to the other segments of the show. The link above I think takes you to callers.

http://audio.weei.com/weei/dennis_and_callahan.htm

 

[HellToupee]

Boat owner on Franklin has about 40-50 letters addressed to " boat owner". I think its going to be a heavy mail week for him coming up.

 

[boilerdave]

I still want to know how the hell he got away after the firefight. Of all the crap that happened that's the least believable part of all of it. You are telling me not one single cop car or WB was unable to stay with him?

And so he detonated another one of those bombs during the firefight and hit nothing? A dud?

If someone posts the full story of the firefight I'd like to see it. It's possible I overlooked it already.

From what I understand, they were within range of their getaway vehicle and at some point upon returning to it, they/he threw another "pressure cooker bomb" from the vehicle which did ignite but because the cover wasn't properly engaged, it didn't have anywhere near the impact it could/should have (thankfully). But if you see two known bombers throw a bomb, I would assume you take cover worrying about that bomb or more bombs.

Here's the explanation of the events from the Watertown Police Chief:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/20/us/boston-details/index.html

A single officer was the first to encounter the two cars that Tamerlan and Dzhokar Tsarnaev were driving, just before 1 a.m. Friday, Chief Edward Deveau said. One of the vehicles was a Mercedes sport utility vehicle the brothers carjacked earlier that night, he said.

The chase that ensued eventually led to David Henneberry's backyard, where Dzhokar Tsarnaev had hidden on the floor of Henneberry's boat. Tsarnaev was taken into custody at about 8:45 p.m. Friday evening.

But more than 19 hours earlier, the odyssey was still in its early stages. Before the officer could get backup, the two cars stopped, and the brothers got out.

"They jump out of the car and unload on our police officer," Deveau said "They both came out shooting -- shooting guns, handguns. He's under direct fire, very close by. He has to jam it in reverse and try to get himself a little distance."

Tracing the suspected bombers' roots Five other police officers, including two who had just finished their shifts, then arrived at what Deveau called a "very tight area" in the middle of an intense shootout.

"We estimate there was over 200 shots fired in a five- to 10-minute period," Deveau said.

One of the brothers threw an explosive at the officers. They later discovered it was a pressure cooker bomb, similar to the ones used at the marathon Monday, the chief said.

"We find the pressure cooker embedded in the car down the street, so there's a major explosion during this gunfight (with) my officers -- six of my officers that I'm extremely proud of," Deveau said.

The brothers also allegedly threw other explosives at the officers. "They were lighting them and throwing them," Deveau said, adding they were "very rough devices."

Two exploded and two did not. Police later found a sixth explosive in one of the cars.

At one point, the older brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, came directly toward police, Deveau said.

Suspects: Immigrant dream to American nightmare

"He all of a sudden comes out from under cover and just starts walking down the street, shooting at our police officers, trying to get closer," Deveau said. "Now, my closest officer is five to 10 feet away, and they're exchanging gunfire between them. And he runs out of ammunition -- the bad guy -- and so one of my police officers comes off the side and tackles him in the street.

"We're trying to get him handcuffed. There's two or three police officers handcuffing him in the street -- the older brother. At the same time, at the last minute -- they obviously have tunnel vision, it's a very, very stressful situation -- one of them yells out, 'Look out!' and here comes the black SUV, the carjacked car, directly at them. They dive out of the way, and he (the younger brother) drives over his brother and drags him a short distance down the street."

Tamerlan Tsarnaev was later pronounced dead at the hospital. Officers then saw that a transit police officer who arrived after the first five was shot in the groin during the firefight.

The younger brother drove off amid more gunfire, Deveau said. He got two or three streets away, with officers in pursuit, then dumped the car and ran into the darkness, he said.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I still want to know how the hell he got away after the firefight. Of all the crap that happened that's the least believable part of all of it. You are telling me not one single cop car or WB was unable to stay with him?

And so he detonated another one of those bombs during the firefight and hit nothing? A dud?

If someone posts the full story of the firefight I'd like to see it. It's possible I overlooked it already.

Agreed. I don't buy for a minute that they backed off as to not cause a stir in the neighborhood. He blew up a bomb at a huge even lt and killed a policeman - no way you relax the effort if you has him in sight.

He wouldnt have gotten away from Detective John McClane

 

[ffjunk]

My wife said she heard on one of the national news stations that the police had given the 'all clear' on the boat property earlier in the day, and that at some point the owner noticed the cover dislodged, saw white hat in the boat, and called the police back. They then ran the thermal and confirmed. True or just another false report?

If true, wow... that's some incompetence.

The whole area was in lockdown. The lockdown was lifted and the owner stepped outside for fresh air and noticed the shrinkwrap and the strap holding it down were cut and blood on the boat. He looked insided and saw the suspect and called 911. The house was just outside the perimeter where they thought he might be.

How is that incompetence?

 

[the moops]

My wife said she heard on one of the national news stations that the police had given the 'all clear' on the boat property earlier in the day, and that at some point the owner noticed the cover dislodged, saw white hat in the boat, and called the police back. They then ran the thermal and confirmed. True or just another false report? If true, wow... that's some incompetence.

Incompetence sounds like the complete opposite of the job done by the police in this case

 

[Billy Bats]

Scumbag starting to answer questions in writing...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/21/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-boston-bombing-investigation/2102093/?sf11931025=1

 

[Jaysus]

My wife said she heard on one of the national news stations that the police had given the 'all clear' on the boat property earlier in the day, and that at some point the owner noticed the cover dislodged, saw white hat in the boat, and called the police back. They then ran the thermal and confirmed. True or just another false report?

If true, wow... that's some incompetence.

The whole area was in lockdown. The lockdown was lifted and the owner stepped outside for fresh air and noticed the shrinkwrap and the strap holding it down were cut and blood on the boat. He looked insided and saw the suspect and called 911. The house was just outside the perimeter where they thought he might be.

How is that incompetence?

And what's to say that he didn't get in the boat after the area was already cleared or whatever?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

My wife said she heard on one of the national news stations that the police had given the 'all clear' on the boat property earlier in the day, and that at some point the owner noticed the cover dislodged, saw white hat in the boat, and called the police back. They then ran the thermal and confirmed. True or just another false report? If true, wow... that's some incompetence.

Incompetence sounds like the complete opposite of the job done by the police in this case

I know....thats crazy. I could see if he got away and MAYBE saying the word incompetence, but he was caught and taken alive no less for questioning. It was a win/win. Great job by the cops.,

 

[pollardsvision]

The shootout escape makes sense.

The key is that only one escaped. The other, whether intentional or not, gave himself up so the other could escape. If you are in a 6-on-2 shootout, there aren't many ways to get out. The best chance is if one gives himself as a diversion while the other makes a run for it. That's what happened.

 

[Fennis]

Looks like my Russian friend was correct.

Although ethnic Chechen, I saw this weekend that they were from Kyrgyzstan and not Chechnya.

 

[ffjunk]

The shootout escape makes sense.

The key is that only one escaped. The other, whether intentional or not, gave himself up so the other could escape. If you are in a 6-on-2 shootout, there aren't many ways to get out. The best chance is if one gives himself as a diversion while the other makes a run for it. That's what happened.

I don't think the older brother gave himself up. He was tackled by officers and after a struggle was handcuffed when the other brother got into the SUV and tried to run the cops over. Someone yelled to the cops who just got out of the way and then he hit his brother and dragged him for a little bit and then kept going.

 

[B-Deep]

Wonder what Rand Paul thinks of the idea of not reading miranda to the suspect and the chatter of treating him like an enemy combatant...

seems to me when it was a hypothetical US citizen that hypothetically could be targeted by a drone he was all concerned

now we have a real citizen with real rights, granted the guy is a scumball. I wonder where Rand stands.

 

[pollardsvision]

The shootout escape makes sense.

The key is that only one escaped. The other, whether intentional or not, gave himself up so the other could escape. If you are in a 6-on-2 shootout, there aren't many ways to get out. The best chance is if one gives himself as a diversion while the other makes a run for it. That's what happened.

I don't think the older brother gave himself up. He was tackled by officers and after a struggle was handcuffed when the other brother got into the SUV and tried to run the cops over. Someone yelled to the cops who just got out of the way and then he hit his brother and dragged him for a little bit and then kept going.

I don't know his intent, but from the account, it sounds like he left cover and started walking towards the cops in the middle of a firefight. I'd also imagine that he knew he'd run out of ammo soon (not that it would've helped if he had ample ammo).

Again, I don't know his intent, but those are the actions of someone giving themselves up. Not without a fight, mind you, but certainly, they know it's the end of the line for them.

And if he understood the situation and cared about saving his brother, that's exactly what one would've done.

 

[Apple Jack]

My wife said she heard on one of the national news stations that the police had given the 'all clear' on the boat property earlier in the day, and that at some point the owner noticed the cover dislodged, saw white hat in the boat, and called the police back. They then ran the thermal and confirmed. True or just another false report?

If true, wow... that's some incompetence.

The whole area was in lockdown. The lockdown was lifted and the owner stepped outside for fresh air and noticed the shrinkwrap and the strap holding it down were cut and blood on the boat. He looked insided and saw the suspect and called 911. The house was just outside the perimeter where they thought he might be.

How is that incompetence?

There was no "all clear" given by authorities. Anybody reporting that is lying. They said that people could go outside, but to remain cautious as the subject was not yet apprehended.

 

[ATC1]

The shootout escape makes sense.

The key is that only one escaped. The other, whether intentional or not, gave himself up so the other could escape. If you are in a 6-on-2 shootout, there aren't many ways to get out. The best chance is if one gives himself as a diversion while the other makes a run for it. That's what happened.

I don't think the older brother gave himself up. He was tackled by officers and after a struggle was handcuffed when the other brother got into the SUV and tried to run the cops over. Someone yelled to the cops who just got out of the way and then he hit his brother and dragged him for a little bit and then kept going.

I don't know his intent, but from the account, it sounds like he left cover and started walking towards the cops in the middle of a firefight. I'd also imagine that he knew he'd run out of ammo soon (not that it would've helped if he had ample ammo).

Again, I don't know his intent, but those are the actions of someone giving themselves up. Not without a fight, mind you, but certainly, they know it's the end of the line for them.

And if he understood the situation and cared about saving his brother, that's exactly what one would've done.

Sounds like the older brother knew this was a suicide mission, and the youngest brother took advantage of it the best he could. Because the best thing he could do was hide, it seems like they had no other plans of escape that night.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I wonder how he got outside the perimeter they set up.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

we still don't know what they were doing on the MIT campus, right? that whole part of the story still seems strange, unless the cop identified them somehow.

 

[Guest]

Too bad they couldn't have taken #1 alive. Doesn't sound like he detonated a suicide vest as was reported(speculated). How is the officer that got shot in the groin?

 

[Fennis]

Wonder what Rand Paul thinks of the idea of not reading miranda to the suspect and the chatter of treating him like an enemy combatant...

seems to me when it was a hypothetical US citizen that hypothetically could be targeted by a drone he was all concerned

now we have a real citizen with real rights, granted the guy is a scumball. I wonder where Rand stands.

Rand Paul will have no opinion.