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Explosions at Boston Marathon (2 Viewers)

They still at 2 fatalities?
Yes. 110 injured now.
That is the sort of number we are used to hearing come from attacks in other countries.
This is right on par with the Atlanta Olympic bombing, actually
True, pre-2001, but you're right of course.

And I'm sure there have been other incidents in US history with those numbers, going back.
I mean, I was just sayin' :shrug:
I should have just said 'you're right.'

I guess I just meant to say myself this seems more like a headline out of Iraq or Syria or Khabul, etc.

 
When did the words terrorist and terrorism become "the T-word"?

You blow up innocent people with bombs it doesn't matter what color, religion, political party, sex or anything else. You're a terrorist. Why is anybody, any person, so afraid to state that fact?

 
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When did the words terrorist and terrorism become "the T-word"?You blow up innocent people with bombs it doesn't matter what color, religion, political party, sex or anything else. You're a terrorist. Why are they so afraid to state that fact?
Are they?

Or are you just nitpicking the first few briefs?

I wonder if "YOU SHOULDN'T SAY THE T WORD" was even part of the discussion. I really doubt it. I don't think yesterday's FNC controversies are on the radar right now.

 
Second link on CNN's front page says that Obama didn't use the word "terror." While I agree this is a terror attack (whether it be international or domestic) and even federal investigators are categorizing it as that, is this really the 2nd most important story?
Story 1 is the attack, Story 2 is how the administration approaches the attack.

I thought this was interesting, from USA Today there is the summary of the presser, in which the T-word is not mentioned (ok, I can buy that, too early, even though it sure it looks like the elephant in the room), but...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/15/explosions-crowd-boston-marathon/2085539/

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>President Obama talks on the phone to FBI Director Robert Mueller about the explosions in Boston on Monday as chief of staff Denis McDonough and homeland security and counterterrorism advisor Lisa Monaco l

ook on
...the administration puts out this photo including prominently this one member of the team assembled to discuss the situation.
What's interesting about it?
Well that the administration is visually communicating that they are considering terrorism but they won't say that in the presser.

Depends on what you mean by "terrorism," but homeland security is the department that would be the point on this for the federal government, from what I understand. Lisa Monaco, as the WH advisor on homeland security, would pretty much not leave the president's side until he's done for the day in these situations.

 
When did the words terrorist and terrorism become "the T-word"?You blow up innocent people with bombs it doesn't matter what color, religion, political party, sex or anything else. You're a terrorist. Why are they so afraid to state that fact?
If it applies to all such bombings, then what difference does it make whether they use a stupid word or not? Mind-boggling the inane #### people will obsess about in the wake of a tragedy.

 
When did the words terrorist and terrorism become "the T-word"?

You blow up innocent people with bombs it doesn't matter what color, religion, political party, sex or anything else. You're a terrorist. Why are they so afraid to state that fact?
If it applies to all such bombings, then what difference does it make whether they use a stupid word or not? Mind-boggling the inane #### people will obsess about in the wake of a tragedy.
Nate Silver ‏@fivethirtyeight 47m

What matters: 1) who did it; 2) how they did it; 3) why they did it. What doesn't matter: what we call it.
 
When did the words terrorist and terrorism become "the T-word"?You blow up innocent people with bombs it doesn't matter what color, religion, political party, sex or anything else. You're a terrorist. Why are they so afraid to state that fact?
Because it's not actually a fact. :dunno:

Not every act of violence committed is "terrorism" by definition. In order for an act to be defined as "terrorism", there will be some sort of political or social motivation that the act of violence is meant to assist in either obtaining or making a point about. They have no clue if it is an act of terrorism. They don't know who did it or why they did it. So why do they need to say it was an act of terrorism if they have no clue whether or not that statement is true? It could have been one person who has a twisted desire to watch things blow up.

Why is this so important? I mean seriously... at least one kid is dead and people are foaming at the mouths because the POTUS refuses to declare terrorism when he has no freaking clue if it even was.

 
When did the words terrorist and terrorism become "the T-word"?You blow up innocent people with bombs it doesn't matter what color, religion, political party, sex or anything else. You're a terrorist. Why are they so afraid to state that fact?
If it applies to all such bombings, then what difference does it make whether they use a stupid word or not? Mind-boggling the inane #### people will obsess about in the wake of a tragedy.
:goodposting:

How can it matter if it's the Islamist nuts or the right wing nuts? Or left wing ones for that matter? It's all bombs, death and terrorism.

 
When did the words terrorist and terrorism become "the T-word"?You blow up innocent people with bombs it doesn't matter what color, religion, political party, sex or anything else. You're a terrorist. Why are they so afraid to state that fact?
If it applies to all such bombings, then what difference does it make whether they use a stupid word or not? Mind-boggling the inane #### people will obsess about in the wake of a tragedy.
Because the issue is that it should apply to all such bombings and yet the political leaders still tap dance around using it. It's ridiculous.

 
Pretty cold and speechy delivery by the Pres BTW.. good thing for him the right only cares whether or not he said the T word

 
London Marathon is this Sunday. Gotta be some fears of a copycat, if not an actual connected attack.

 
When did the words terrorist and terrorism become "the T-word"?

You blow up innocent people with bombs it doesn't matter what color, religion, political party, sex or anything else. You're a terrorist. Why are they so afraid to state that fact?
If it applies to all such bombings, then what difference does it make whether they use a stupid word or not? Mind-boggling the inane #### people will obsess about in the wake of a tragedy.
Because the issue is that it should apply to all such bombings and yet the political leaders still tap dance around using it. It's ridiculous.
There is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).

The FBI further describes terrorism as either domestic or international, depending on the origin, base, and objectives of the terrorist organization. For the purpose of this report, the FBI will use the following definitions:

  • Domestic terrorism is the unlawful use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual based and operating entirely within the United States or Puerto Rico without foreign direction committed against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives.
  • International terrorism involves violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any state, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or any state. These acts appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping. International terrorist acts occur outside the United States or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to coerce or intimidate, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005

Maybe you all think it is all terrorism, but it's not.

Why do we care about this? Seriously.

 
When did the words terrorist and terrorism become "the T-word"?You blow up innocent people with bombs it doesn't matter what color, religion, political party, sex or anything else. You're a terrorist. Why are they so afraid to state that fact?
If it applies to all such bombings, then what difference does it make whether they use a stupid word or not? Mind-boggling the inane #### people will obsess about in the wake of a tragedy.
Nate Silver ‏@fivethirtyeight 47m What matters: 1) who did it; 2) how they did it; 3) why they did it. What doesn't matter: what we call it.
I would think that we find out and hunt down who did it would be at the top of this list. I could care less why they did it or what we call it
 
When did the words terrorist and terrorism become "the T-word"?You blow up innocent people with bombs it doesn't matter what color, religion, political party, sex or anything else. You're a terrorist. Why are they so afraid to state that fact?
If it applies to all such bombings, then what difference does it make whether they use a stupid word or not? Mind-boggling the inane #### people will obsess about in the wake of a tragedy.
Because the issue is that it should apply to all such bombings and yet the political leaders still tap dance around using it. It's ridiculous.
Maybe you need to do some soul searching and ask yourself why this is so important to you.

 
When did the words terrorist and terrorism become "the T-word"?

You blow up innocent people with bombs it doesn't matter what color, religion, political party, sex or anything else. You're a terrorist. Why are they so afraid to state that fact?
If it applies to all such bombings, then what difference does it make whether they use a stupid word or not? Mind-boggling the inane #### people will obsess about in the wake of a tragedy.
Because the issue is that it should apply to all such bombings and yet the political leaders still tap dance around using it. It

9;s ridiculous.
There is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).

The FBI further describes terrorism as either domestic or international, depending on the origin, base, and objectives of the terrorist organization. For the purpose of this report, the FBI will use the following definitions:

  • Domestic terrorism is the unlawful use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual based and operating entirely within the United States or Puerto Rico without foreign direction committed against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives.
  • International terrorism involves violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any state, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or any state. These acts appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping. International terrorist acts occur outside the United States or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to coerce or intimidate, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005

Maybe you all think it is all terrorism, but it's not.

Why do we care about this? Seriously.
Read your own definitions - they all contain the same language with only slight variations. Thanks for proving my point.

 
I think we need to change our policy on what we consider justice when it comes to these lunatics who try to take out as many people as possible for effect. I say due process and then public castration in the town square televised on every channel to every country and moon base from here to Zeta Reticuli. No morphine, just a rusty dull scalpel and a guy with shaky hands performing the deed. Just as the 'terrorist' has almost bled out, release the mountain lions to clean up the mess.

 
When did the words terrorist and terrorism become "the T-word"?You blow up innocent people with bombs it doesn't matter what color, religion, political party, sex or anything else. You're a terrorist. Why are they so afraid to state that fact?
If it applies to all such bombings, then what difference does it make whether they use a stupid word or not? Mind-boggling the inane #### people will obsess about in the wake of a tragedy.
Because the issue is that it should apply to all such bombings and yet the political leaders still tap dance around using it. It's ridiculous.
Maybe you need to do some soul searching and ask yourself why this is so important to you.
Because the language we use is a direct reflection of the way we interpret things; it can also guide interpretation.

I think it's all "terrorism". Just to be clear, this isn't specific to Obama. I first remember thinking this when the LAX shooting incident happened after 9/11 and everyone was so worried about calling it "terrorism" or the perpetrator a "terrorist". Of course it was terrorism.

The funny thing is you have your panties in a bunch about me supposedly nitpicking language use when it's the authorities who are the ones who are nitpicking. Like I said, it's all "terrorism", regardless of what it says on the perpetrators' business cards.

 
Worst part was the long time that cell service crashed in the area. When the bombs went off, I knew that my family was right near there and tried to rush back to check on them but the police stopped me after half a block and told me to keep going to the family waiting area. They never saw me cross the finish line so they didn't know if I was hurt and vice versa for at least half an hour.
#### man that must've been a terrifying half hour. Glad you and yours are okay.

 
When did the words terrorist and terrorism become "the T-word"?You blow up innocent people with bombs it doesn't matter what color, religion, political party, sex or anything else. You're a terrorist. Why are they so afraid to state that fact?
If it applies to all such bombings, then what difference does it make whether they use a stupid word or not? Mind-boggling the inane #### people will obsess about in the wake of a tragedy.
Because the issue is that it should apply to all such bombings and yet the political leaders still tap dance around using it. It's ridiculous.
The issue is that that particular word, despite it's real generic definition, has been associated with Islamic groups for so long that using it publicly in the aftermath of something like this could imply something that isn't true or is still unknown to a lot of people.

I don't see a huge problem with using it, but I could see where it's just smart to avoid it too.

 
When did the words terrorist and terrorism become "the T-word"?You blow up innocent people with bombs it doesn't matter what color, religion, political party, sex or anything else. You're a terrorist. Why are they so afraid to state that fact?
If it applies to all such bombings, then what difference does it make whether they use a stupid word or not? Mind-boggling the inane #### people will obsess about in the wake of a tragedy.
Because the issue is that it should apply to all such bombings and yet the political leaders still tap dance around using it. It's ridiculous.
Maybe you need to do some soul searching and ask yourself why this is so important to you.
Because the language we use is a direct reflection of the way we interpret things; it can also guide interpretation.

I think it's all "terrorism". Just to be clear, this isn't specific to Obama. I first remember thinking this when the LAX shooting incident happened after 9/11 and everyone was so worried about calling it "terrorism" or the perpetrator a "terrorist". Of course it was terrorism.

The funny thing is you have your panties in a bunch about me supposedly nitpicking language use when it's the authorities who are the ones who are nitpicking. Like I said, it's all "terrorism", regardless of what it says on the perpetrators' business cards.
You're projecting.

 
When did the words terrorist and terrorism become "the T-word"?You blow up innocent people with bombs it doesn't matter what color, religion, political party, sex or anything else. You're a terrorist. Why is anybody, any person, so afraid to state that fact?
Yeah, I don't get it. Raider Nation was shocked earlier in this thread that WFAN mentioned terrorism in the 3:00 hour. Then Saints in 06 went the "t word" route too. Terrorism is not a curse word, guys.
 
When did the words terrorist and terrorism become "the T-word"?

You blow up innocent people with bombs it doesn't matter what color, religion, political party, sex or anything else. You're a terrorist. Why are they so afraid to state that fact?
If it applies to all such bombings, then what difference does it make whether they use a stupid word or not? Mind-boggling the inane #### people will obsess about in the wake of a tragedy.
Because the issue is that it should apply to all such bombings and yet the political leaders still tap dance around using it. It

9;s ridiculous.
There is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).

The FBI further describes terrorism as either domestic or international, depending on the origin, base, and objectives of the terrorist organization. For the purpose of this report, the FBI will use the following definitions:

  • Domestic terrorism is the unlawful use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual based and operating entirely within the United States or Puerto Rico without foreign direction committed against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives.
  • International terrorism involves violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any state, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or any state. These acts appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping. International terrorist acts occur outside the United States or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to coerce or intimidate, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.</li>
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005

Maybe you all think it is all terrorism, but it's not.

Why do we care about this? Seriously.

Read your own definitions - they all contain the same language with only slight variations. Thanks for proving my point.

I never said there was some sort of difference between domestic or foreign terrorism. You read the wrong part. You missed the part about "in furtherance of political or social objectives". That's the part where the act is labelled "terrorism" or not. And it's way too early to say if that is the case right now. So the POTUS is correct in refusing to call this an act of terrorism, because we have absolutely no idea if it is.

 
When did the words terrorist and terrorism become "the T-word"?

You blow up innocent people with bombs it doesn't matter what color, religion, political party, sex or anything else. You're a terrorist. Why are they so afraid to state that fact?
If it applies to all such bombings, then what difference does it make whether they use a stupid word or not? Mind-boggling the inane #### people will obsess about in the wake of a tragedy.
Because the issue is that it should apply to all such bombings and yet the political leaders still tap dance around using it. It's ri

diculous.
There is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).

The FBI further describes terrorism as either domestic or international, depending on the origin, base, and objectives of the terrorist organization. For the purpose of this report, the FBI will use the following definitions:

  • Domestic terrorism is the unlawful use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual based and operating entirely within the United States or Puerto Rico without foreign direction committed against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives.
  • International terrorism involves violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any state, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or any state. These acts appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping. International terrorist acts occur outside the United States or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to coerce or intimidate, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005

Maybe you all think it is all terrorism, but it's not.

Why do we care about this? Seriously.
:goodposting:

 
When did the words terrorist and terrorism become "the T-word"?You blow up innocent people with bombs it doesn't matter what color, religion, political party, sex or anything else. You're a terrorist. Why is anybody, any person, so afraid to state that fact?
Because when the government says "terrorist", a good chunk of the public immediately thinks "Muslim". And that can lead to all sorts of unfortunate acts of bigotry (such as those that occurred against many Muslim Americans directly after 9/11. That's the main reason they are cautious. And that's why I think it was really irresponsible of the New York Post to run with the story about the Saudi national. We don't know ANYTHING yet.

 
When did the words terrorist and terrorism become "the T-word"?You blow up innocent people with bombs it doesn't matter what color, religion, political party, sex or anything else. You're a terrorist. Why is anybody, any person, so afraid to state that fact?
Because when the government says "terrorist", a good chunk of the public immediately thinks "Muslim". And that can lead to all sorts of unfortunate acts of bigotry (such as those that occurred against many Muslim Americans directly after 9/11. That's the main reason they are cautious. And that's why I think it was really irresponsible of the New York Post to run with the story about the Saudi national. We don't know ANYTHING yet.
There are easy ways around that. A simple "We do not yet know who is responsible for this act of terrorism, or whether it is foreign or domestic." But regardless, this shouldn't be such a big story. At least not now.

 
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My dentist is Iranian; he has lived here for 30 years. But he told me once that every time there is an event like this he prays that it was not caused by a Muslim, because he is afraid of the way he and his family will be treated. He said that after 9/11 it was awful- his son was bullied at school, he was treated rudely by a number of people, he was hassled by police. And of course, talk show personality Michele Malkin wrote a book called In Defense of Internment, in which, after she defended the imprisonment of Japanese Americans during World War II, she called for the internment of all Muslim Americans after 9/11. She was praised for this book by a number of other talk show hosts such as Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

So this is why the government needs to be cautious- because people can be stupid, and prejudiced.

 
[update, 7:49 p.m. ET] Doctors are "pulling ball bearings out of people in the emergency room," suggesting that the bombs were designed to propel shrapnel, a terrorism expert briefed on the investigation told CNN's Deborah Feyerick.
 
When did the words terrorist and terrorism become "the T-word"?You blow up innocent people with bombs it doesn't matter what color, religion, political party, sex or anything else. You're a terrorist. Why is anybody, any person, so afraid to state that fact?
Because when the government says "terrorist", a good chunk of the public immediately thinks "Muslim". And that can lead to all sorts of unfortunate acts of bigotry (such as those that occurred against many Muslim Americans directly after 9/11. That's the main reason they are cautious. And that's why I think it was really irresponsible of the New York Post to run with the story about the Saudi national. We don't know ANYTHING yet.
There are easy ways around that. A simple "We do not yet know who is responsible for this act of terrorism, or whether it is foreign or domestic." But regardless, this shouldn't be such a big story. At least not now.
Again, the minute the government says "terrorism", the reaction for some is immediate. Clarifying it afterwards may be too late.

 
The death total is up to 46, and the injured total has passed 300. talking about the incident in Iraq today.
Where is this?
In Iraq today.
You're sickening dude. You're everything that is wrong with this country.
Why is he sickening and everything wrong with America? Also, he is wrong in a sense. Those deaths and injuries in Iraq were not a single event. There were 20 separate bombings in Iraq today.
 
When did the words terrorist and terrorism become "the T-word"?You blow up innocent people with bombs it doesn't matter what color, religion, political party, sex or anything else. You're a terrorist. Why is anybody, any person, so afraid to state that fact?
Because when the government says "terrorist", a good chunk of the public immediately thinks "Muslim". And that can lead to all sorts of unfortunate acts of bigotry (such as those that occurred against many Muslim Americans directly after 9/11. That's the main reason they are cautious. And that's why I think it was really irresponsible of the New York Post to run with the story about the Saudi national. We don't know ANYTHING yet.
There are easy ways around that. A simple "We do not yet know who is responsible for this act of terrorism, or whether it is foreign or domestic." But regardless, this shouldn't be such a big story. At least not now.
Again, the minute the government says "terrorism", the reaction for some is immediate. Clarifying it afterwards may be too late.
We need to stop catering to the stupidest among us.

 

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