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General Tso
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The Commish
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HellToupee
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Gov Charlie Baker handling the PROGRESSIVE reporters questions with ease
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General Tso
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At worst ship-stain is going to have to worry about being put to death for at least 4 years while he rots in prison.
Mario Kart
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So, take an idea from North Korea and use an anti-air gun on him?
Or, hang him on pay per view? It'd help pay for the court costs.
Or, hang him on pay per view? It'd help pay for the court costs.
The General
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Willie Neslon
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So he can suffer with the consequence of never being able to leave his little cell for another 60 years. So he can feel the pain of knowing all the things his stupidity took away from his victims as well as from his own life and let regret eventually torture him from the inside. Simply getting a needle and permanent sleep will let him avoid most if not all of the pain. If anything the guy is pumped up now believing he's going to paradise and soon. They gave him what he wanted.
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General Tso
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you're assuming he has a conscience.
Officer Pete Malloy
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I'm really on the fence when it comes to the death penalty.
All I know is that this guy's defense was moronic.
All I know is that this guy's defense was moronic.
Yep. I would certainly prefer that we not even have a death penalty, but this is not the example to make that case about. This was a terrorist attack and he deserves to die.
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General Tso
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I'm on the fence too about the death penalty. It is used far too often and there is clearly bias in its application. But in this case it's the right call, if for no other reason than 15 years from now ISIS or some other terrorist org can't hold a school full of children hostage and demand the release of this guy. That's the greatest argument for the death penalty in my opinion - when terrorists are involved.
squistion
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http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-likely-wont-face-execution-for-a-very-long-time/
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Likely Wont Face Execution For A Very Long Time
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, convicted of murder in the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing, was sentenced to death by a federal jury Friday. But if he is executed at all, it isnt likely to be anytime soon.
In the nearly four decades since the Supreme Court reinstated the death penalty, the states and the federal government have taken an increasingly long time to carry out executions. The average inmate executed in 2013 had been on death row for more than 15 years, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, up from about six years in the mid-1980s.
And thats just the people who end up being executed: Of the nearly 8,500 Americans sentenced to death in federal and state courts since 1973, fewer than 1,400 less than 1 in 6 have been executed. The rest either died of other causes, had their sentences overturned or commuted, or remain on death row, where inmates have been waiting an average of nearly 15 years.
The vast majority of those cases took place at the state level. Federal prisoners like Tsarnaev are even less likely to be executed. Between 1988, when Congress reinstated the death penalty for federal cases, and 2013, 71 federal defendants were sentenced to death; only three were executed, compared with 10 who had their sentences or convictions overturned on appeal. (One inmate died on death row, and another had his sentence commuted to life by President Bill Clinton in 2001.) No federal execution has taken place since 2003. Of those still awaiting execution, the typical inmate has already spent a decade on death row, according to the Death Penalty Information Center. (The centers data is current through 2014.)
Tsarnaevs case, of course, is atypical in a number of ways. There is little doubt about his guilt; his lawyer admitted at trial that Tsarnaev carried out the bombing, although he technically pleaded not guilty. And his crime was unusually high-profile. Perhaps the closest parallel in recent decades was the case of Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, who was executed in 2001, four years after his sentencing. But McVeigh dropped his appeal in 2000; had he not done so, he could have remained on death row for years longer.
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Likely Wont Face Execution For A Very Long Time
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, convicted of murder in the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing, was sentenced to death by a federal jury Friday. But if he is executed at all, it isnt likely to be anytime soon.
In the nearly four decades since the Supreme Court reinstated the death penalty, the states and the federal government have taken an increasingly long time to carry out executions. The average inmate executed in 2013 had been on death row for more than 15 years, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, up from about six years in the mid-1980s.
And thats just the people who end up being executed: Of the nearly 8,500 Americans sentenced to death in federal and state courts since 1973, fewer than 1,400 less than 1 in 6 have been executed. The rest either died of other causes, had their sentences overturned or commuted, or remain on death row, where inmates have been waiting an average of nearly 15 years.
The vast majority of those cases took place at the state level. Federal prisoners like Tsarnaev are even less likely to be executed. Between 1988, when Congress reinstated the death penalty for federal cases, and 2013, 71 federal defendants were sentenced to death; only three were executed, compared with 10 who had their sentences or convictions overturned on appeal. (One inmate died on death row, and another had his sentence commuted to life by President Bill Clinton in 2001.) No federal execution has taken place since 2003. Of those still awaiting execution, the typical inmate has already spent a decade on death row, according to the Death Penalty Information Center. (The centers data is current through 2014.)
Tsarnaevs case, of course, is atypical in a number of ways. There is little doubt about his guilt; his lawyer admitted at trial that Tsarnaev carried out the bombing, although he technically pleaded not guilty. And his crime was unusually high-profile. Perhaps the closest parallel in recent decades was the case of Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, who was executed in 2001, four years after his sentencing. But McVeigh dropped his appeal in 2000; had he not done so, he could have remained on death row for years longer.
BustedKnuckles
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avoiding injuries
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TMT could promote it. Have it after the Kentucky Derby next year.
Mario Kart
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Willie Neslon
Footballguy
I believe he's just an idiot of the highest order. He wasn't mentally ill like the guy who shot the congresswoman or the guy who shot up the movie theater, he was just a complete moron. Eventually you grow up and see how stupid you were and that's when real pain begins. He watched too many youtube conspiracy videos and believed his actions somehow made sense. He was so dumb he thought there was a chance he wouldn't be caught, that he'd be some kind of shadowy domestic terrorist like you'd see in a movie. A complete lack of forethought in every way. Eventually his mind would have caught up and realized in some way that he blew everything and did something awful. It hasn't happened yet and now may never happen now. This was not a person pushed to the brink by the man. He was just an idiot.
I'd be all for the death penalty if he was killed in the same way his victims were. Strap bombs to his legs, stick him in a room and tell him that some random time between right now and the next 2 years the bombs will blow your legs off and you'll bleed out. Could be in 10 minutes, could be in 22 months. Take care. Lethal injection is too easy. That's an easier death than most regular people have. Spending 60 years in supermax would have been a fate a million times worse than laying on a gurney and being put to sleep.
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BustedKnuckles
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To the 12 people who GOT IT RIGHT today...THANK YOU...i know some people dont believe in the death penalty ...to those people i would ask you...what good can come of keeping this monster alive ...look at the faces of the innocent victims ...ask them why they died ? what gave this piece of #### the right to kill them? I dont care about his rights...i dont care if killing for killing is morally wrong...some things dont belong on this earth ...Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is one of those things...he will live another 15 or 29 years to think about his disgusting acts of violence ...then he pay for this crime with his life and join his ####### murdering brother in HELL where he will suffer for eternity - Good riddance
Stinger Ray
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Koya
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Take out your combatants on the battlefield. After that, it's a whole new set of rules for engagement. We are a good enough society (i hope?) to overcome the blood lust desire that becomes far more a negative for society than positive. Even when you want to see a guy fry.
Willie Neslon
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I respect your opinion but I just believe Supermax is worse than lethal injection. Hell would have happened at Supermax, now he just drifts off to sleep.
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BustedKnuckles
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id rather have the option of death after all that time as opposed to him getting to live out his life and die of natural causes ...i can live with him suffering in prison during what would have been the best years of his life...only to be rewarded with the fear of being led to his death
Willie Neslon
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General Tso
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The death penalty is more about the victims than the perp. It gives them closure.
Willie Neslon
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But does it? Even the parents of Martin Richard didn't want death because it will mean he'll constantly be in the news as he appeals. Killing him won't bring anyone back. I'm not saying I'm against the death penalty, I'm just don't believe anyone gets closure from it. Nobody is going to miss their loved one less or feel the pain less when Tsarnaev is killed.
The General
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Understand all the arguments against the death penalty and won't argue or disagree with some of the points but people who do things that this kid did don't deserve to live. It's as simple as that to me.
squistion
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Actually it doesn't bring closure from the few studies I have seen, one recent study:
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/01/27/study-executions-do-not-bring-closure-to-victims-families/
Study: Executions Do Not Bring Closure To Victims Families
AUSTIN, TX (CBS Houston) According to a new study, executions do not heal the victims families.
The study also said that the primary reason people say they support the death penalty is based on an incorrect assumption: that the death of the murderer would bring satisfaction and closure to the victims family.
Researchers from the University of Minnesota and from the University of Texas at Austin conducted the survey. Minnesota has no death penalty, and Texas leads the nation in executions.
Researchers conducted personal interviews then compared family survivors experiences in Minnesota with those in Texas. The victims family members in Minnesota showed higher levels of physical, psychological, and behavior health, than those in Texas. They also showed a higher level of satisfaction with the criminal justice system.
"Were still kind of testing out all the implications of this study, but it certainly raises significant policy issues," Mark Umbreit, Ph.D., from the University of Minnesota, told Psych Central. "It challenges this notion, this assumption that, well, at least the death penalty really brings closure to survivors."
BustedKnuckles
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this was Federal court, not liberal MA state court and he only has 1 or 2 appeals available.
Willie Neslon
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It took them 6+ years with McVeigh and that was a slam dunk.BustedKnuckles said:
squistion
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McVeigh was executed 4 years after sentencing in 2001, however he had dropped his appeal in 2000 or it probably would have dragged on for years after that.
BigSteelThrill
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Im happy they/we have the Death Pnealty there. Completely fitting.
I saw a lot of the injured families interviewed and seemed very satisfied with the result.
I saw a lot of the injured families interviewed and seemed very satisfied with the result.
Willie Neslon
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Yes, you're right. I was looking at time from the time the crime was committed to death.
comfortably numb
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Praise Allah!!!!
timschochet
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I've always found there to be reasonable people, with very good arguments, on both sides of the death penalty debate. I've never been able to make up my mind about it.
Willie Neslon
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To me it's not even a debate about the death penalty, it's a debate about which punishment is worse. I want the worst for this guy. Needle and permanent nap is not as bad as 60 years of that supermax place. The guy who shot up the movie theater? I want that guy to be locked away and get mental help for the rest of his life but I don't think he deserves eve close to a punishment that this idiot deserves. One guy literally went insane, the other guy watched too many Alex Jones videos. One guy was sick, the other guy was a normal kid who did something dumb intentionally.
timschochet
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As terrible as prison sounds (and my experience is wholly limited to TV fiction and documentaries), I think I would prefer life there to 10 years in Death Row, followed by an end to my life.
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squidrope
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Willie Neslon
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That Supermax is not regular prison. It is legal torture. People lose their minds there. Eric Rudolph, the Olympic bomber has said it is torture and written about it. You can google that. Some other people talking about it:
BustedKnuckles
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my biggest concern about a prison like that is it is its own worst enemy...there are far to many bleeding heart libs that want that prison closed and rights given back to the prisoners...if that happens while he was in there he would no longer be suffering ...at least this way we know no matter what his life ends ...sooner than later
Willie Neslon
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Not very many of even the most bleeding hearts want that place closed. Most agree we should have a place for the worst of the worst. It'll unlikely only be maybe closed if someone escapes and that will never happen. It's basically super secure solitary confinement where they can't ever see the horizon. Imagine being a few months into 60 years of that. Good night and good luck.
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IvanKaramazov
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I've always thought the whole supermax thing was unnecessarily cruel. As a committed introvert, I have no problem with the "solitary" aspect of it. But I've read articles about how they deliberately design the windows so you can't actually see outside and how you get recreation time in a cage about the same size as your cell, and that's too much IMO. Obviously this guy is going to spend the rest of his life in prison, but I don't approve of this sort of retaliation.
Mario Kart
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Personally, I think Super Max is too good for him. I'd say put him in a prison in the general population. Then, all of a sudden, one day, oops, the guards can't get the door open fast enough and he is taken care of by other prisoners. Horrible, bloody scene. He felt pain and people heard his screams. Speculation that the cops let it happen. Oh well. Save the tax payers some money AND he gets taken care of AND some prisoners can be happy for "helping" America.
Win, win, win... win.
Win, win, win... win.
Willie Neslon
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I respect your opinion but I believe a very small (VERY small) percentage actually deserve to suffer. People "suffer" in some prison situations way above and beyond for their specific crimes. What's wrong with this guy getting some kind of suffering? He doesn't have to worry about getting raped or attacked by a bunk-mate. Doesn't have to worry about bending over in the shower because the shower is right there in his cell. He just can't see the horizon.
BustedKnuckles
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2013
Here’s to starting the New Year right. The notorious Tamms Correctional Center in Illinois, with its practice of housing human beings alone in cells for22-24 hours per day with little or no human interaction or outside stimulus, officially shut its doors today.
Tamms, known as a “supermax” prison, symbolized the ever more punitive, dehumanizing, and ineffective state of our criminal justice system where entire institutions are built to hold prisoners in extreme solitary confinement.
Closing Tamms also means that state lawmakers are beginning to recognize that the exorbitant costs associated with “supermax” facilities are an unjustifiable drain on public resources.
- The Maine Department of Corrections cut its “supermax” population by over fifty percent and provided prisoners expanded access to programming and social stimulation.
- Over the last few years, Mississippi reduced the “supermax” population of one institution from 1000 to 150 and eventually closed the entire unit.
- In the last year, Colorado reduced the number of prisoners in solitary confinement by 36.9% and recently announced the closure of a 316-bed “supermax” facility, which is projected to save the state $4.5 million in Fiscal Year 2012-13 and $13.6 million in Fiscal Year 2013-14.
Willie Neslon
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I don't know much about these state "supermax" places but the federal big one where the heavy hitters of heavy hitters are and will be for a long while. They put most "normal" inmates in solitary for not being able to get along with general population or for their own protection. At the supermax in florence colorado they stick people there right away for the most part, at least the high profile guys.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
we are one of the few countries left to use this type of incarceration....even china did away with it...the ACLU is working very hard to change things
jamny
Footballguy
He should die tomorrow.
There should be some kind of special circumstances. We know it's him. This is the kind of example that should be used for the death penalty.
Guaranteed...completely guaranteed, Can we all agree? Left and Right? Democrat and Republican? Liberal and Conservative?
The jury has reached a verdict....should he die tomorrow?
There should be some kind of special circumstances. We know it's him. This is the kind of example that should be used for the death penalty.
Guaranteed...completely guaranteed, Can we all agree? Left and Right? Democrat and Republican? Liberal and Conservative?
The jury has reached a verdict....should he die tomorrow?
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
Moussaoui, Yousef, Richard Reid, Unabomber, Nichols, Rudolph, Hanssen...these guys are never going into general population anywhere. They're never going into a run of the mill facility.
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