BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
I dont think they will do away with solitary all together...just make it more humane ...more perks ...soften up things a bit...i hope im wrong
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Drunken Poster
Footballguy
You are sentenced to life in prison. You have 30 seconds to choose American or Chinese one. Make your choice.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
I feel almost the same way. In general, I'm against the death penalty. When it comes to specific cases like this one, I'm not too bothered by it.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
regular prison and not solitary ? or regular prison in china or solitary in america?
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
I say chinese because even bad chinese food is good.
eta: I misread the question but I think my answer still works
eta2: and maybe even works better
eta3: I'm drunk
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General Malaise
Footballguy
Yup. Put in on Pay Per View. Have a lottery to throw rocks and stone this ******* to death. Raise money for his victims.
Love,
Bleeding Heart GM
proninja
Footballguy
It's not guys like Tsarnaev that make me oppose the death penalty.BustedKnuckles said:
It's the innocent guys whose names we don't know who have had to say goodbye to their wife and kids for the last time before we kill them for a crime they didn't commit and were wrongly convicted of. Those are the guys we sacrifice in order to kill the guys who actually did it. Every time we kill a convict, we say all over again that we don't care about the wrongly convicted we have already killed and will kill in the future.
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
i would only agree to the death penalty if DNA proved guilt the way it has proven innocence and if the perp confesses like Tsarnaev did...without either of those standards just prison time
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
johnnycakes
Footballguy
This is where China has one up on us. Execution would be within 12 Months normally, by rifle shot to back of the head, after consenting voluntarily to organ donation after death.
JGalligan
Footballguy
What happens if you don't voluntarily agree to organ donation? Do they shoot you in all your other organs first?
Rohn Jambo
Footballguy
I don't know about today but the Chinese military hospitals sold organs harvested from prisoners for transplants to foreigners. There was such high demand that sometimes organs were removed without consent and even before the prisoners were dead. It was a lucrative business. There was evidence that the execution of prisoners for their organs is "timed for the convenience" of the waiting recipients.
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johnnycakes
Footballguy
JGalligan
Footballguy
Gotcha.
I guess you could say that they don't have the... guts... to say no.
Thank you, thank you, I'll show myself out.
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Rayderr
Footballguy
I've always thought that if we're going to have a death penalty, the person should be killed by the method they used to kill people. Shot a bunch of people? Then you get shot to death. Stabbed a bunch of people? you get stabbed to death. So for this guy, he get's blown up by a pressure cooker.
proninja
Footballguy
What's the fascination with making him suffer? It doesn't fix anything. It doesn't heal anybody. It doesn't bring the dead back to life.
If we do our best to make the people who hurt us suffer as much as possible, we're just like the people who hurt us.
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General Tso
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I tend to agree with you that as a society we need to appeal to our better angels, but there is a school of thought that says there is something redemptive that happens during a period of suffering.
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
because it may make even 1 person think twice before doing something awful ,knowing that exact thing will be done to them...
proninja
Footballguy
It may, huh? What if it may not? When making life and death decisions, I'd prefer to have a little better reason than "may" when discussing the mind of a sociopath
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
proninja
Footballguy
That's not my point. Truthfully, not really. He's hardly a sympathetic figure. If I were a better human, I'd probably care about him more despite what he has done.
I do care, however, what happens to us as a society. I would like us to be a society who is able to govern their bloodlust in order to do the right thing. Torturing this guy to death, or even killing him painlessly, only helps us in theoretical ways that probably don't actually make any difference. I understand the reaction to want to kill this guy as painfully as possible, or in the exact way that he killed people - what he did is awful and it's easy to get angry about it.
I think, however, that we should be concerned about what the right thing to do is, rather than react with more violence in a manner that doesn't help the rest of us at all. That's what ISIS does. We should join just about the entire rest of the 1st world and be better than that.
I also care about the wrongly convicted. We sacrifice them in order to satisfy our desire for retribution against people who do terrible things. I am unwilling to do that, and I can't separate the policy that kills Tsaranev from the policy that kills the people who are failed by our justice system, because you can't. Killing Tsaranev requires killing the wrongly convicted. I care about them.
tl:dr - I care about us as a society and the killing of innocents. That's why I'm against killing this #######. Not because of him.
johnnycakes
Footballguy
Execute the bankers who launder the drug money. Hmmm.. China gets it right again.
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
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General Tso
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Good post proninja. I respect this viewpoint even though I don't always agree with it. Tim said it best - people usually bring fair, reasoned arguments to both sides of this debate.The idealist in me really wants to accept your views. I believe in my heart the values of forgiveness and mercy. But then I think about the issue of closure for the victims. Justice looks entirely different when your 8 year old son has been murdered. Yes, it can be viewed as bloodlust, and on its surface it certainly looks ugly. But it's a very real human "need" - if that's the right word - and we can't deny it just because it looks unseemly. I guess I feel like if society has to err on one side or the other here - err on what the victims need to get on with their lives. And most of the time the victims support the death penalty.
Tough tough issue for me to come to terms with, and always has been.
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squistion
Footballguy
I disagree because we are letting the behavior of the very worst influence our own actions and it becomes a wonderful rationalization for doing things that would normally violate our ethics or sense of morality.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
i see it like this.....if i go to a famous event like the boston marathon with my wife and 2 small children to enjoy the day eating ice cream and laughing and spending quality time with the family i love and cherish...with no intentions of hurting anyone, that makes me a good person....if im sitting in a room building a bomb with the intentions of going to the boston marathon to drop that bomb within a group of families with hate and malice in my heart ...hoping to kill and maim innocent people, then im a bad person...once you do that you have gone to a place you cant come back from...you have brought horrible attention to yourself with a heinous act of random cruelty and great pain and suffering to the good people who are loving their families and bothering no one...at that point you have lost your right to continue living on this planet by your own actions...you cant look at removing such people as killing ...you need to stop seeing them as people ...they are monsters ...they are bad evil minded creatures who hate and only want to drag innocent people into there world of pain and hate ...society didnt seek them out randomly to kill them ...they brought that upon themselves when it was THEY who randomly sought out innocent people to kill
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proninja
Footballguy
We kill them because they killed some of ours.
They kill us because we killed some of theirs.
It's not a total equivalency, as certainly there is some nuance when you consider the actions of both parties as a whole, but on this issue it is the exact same thing, whether you agree with it or not.
Rohn Jambo
Footballguy
Anyone can be the star of a hit TV show: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17303746
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
He killed people because he's an idiot. We want him to suffer because he senselessly killed innocent people. Not the same.
proninja
Footballguy
That's a very xenophobic way to look at it, considering our troops have been killing people in the middle east for decades.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
We kill him to revoke his ability to be amongst people.
I dont care about his suffrage as he is no longer worth my/our considerations, I care about anybody having to possibly be further exposed to him.
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
This has nothing to do with that. The kid grew up here. He was a slacker who was doing poorly in college. There's nothing wrong with being a slacker but for this guy, his way of dealing with his own shortcomings was to convince himself that what he needed to do was to put a bomb down right next to a random 8 year old kid as well as hundreds of other innocent people that had nothing to do with anything. So people wanting this moron to suffer for the senseless destruction he caused are the exact same as he is? No, we are not. He did what he did because he felt powerless in his own life and chose the most cowardly way to overcome the reality of his own inadequacy. There is no more selfish and pointless crime than the one he committed and just because we want him to suffer for that selfish and senseless theft of life, it does not make us the same as him.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Im with Willie on this thinking.......if i go to a famous event like the boston marathon with my wife and 2 small children to enjoy the day eating ice cream and laughing and spending quality time with the family i love and cherish...with no intentions of hurting anyone, that makes me a good person....if im sitting in a room building a bomb with the intentions of going to the boston marathon to drop that bomb within a group of families with hate and malice in my heart ...hoping to kill and maim innocent people, then im a bad person...once you do that you have gone to a place you cant come back from...you have brought horrible attention to yourself with a heinous act of random cruelty and great pain and suffering to the good people who are loving their families and bothering no one...at that point you have lost your right to continue living on this planet by your own actions...you cant look at removing such people as killing ...you need to stop seeing them as people ...they are monsters ...they are bad evil minded creatures who hate and only want to drag innocent people into there world of pain and hate ...society didnt seek them out randomly to kill them ...they brought that upon themselves when it was THEY who randomly sought out innocent people to kill
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Marathon Bomber Tsarnaev As He's Sentenced To Death: 'I Am Sorry For The Lives I've Taken'
Minutes before being sentenced to death, Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev apologized to a courtroom loaded with families of the people he killed and the wounded who survived the 2013 attacks, telling them he was praying for mercy for the dead and injured.
That tally from the bombing: three people killed, 17 left as amputees and 250 or so otherwise maimed or wounded.
“I would like to now apologize to the victims and to the survivors,” Tsarnaev said when presented with the chance to address the court Wednesday afternoon. “I am sorry for the lives that I’ve taken, the suffering that I’ve caused and the damage that I’ve done, irreparable damage”
Tsarnaev, who was described by spectators in the courtroom as soft-spoken and downcast, added, “I pray to Allah to put his mercy upon the deceased, the injured.”
The words were the first he uttered in the U.S. District Court other than when he pleaded not-guilty to the attack of April 15, 2013, and the murder of a fourth person while he and his older brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, were on the run. The elder brother was killed by police shortly before Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was captured.
After he spoke, U.S. District Judge George A. O’Toole formalized the punishment a jury had decided in May was appropriate: “I sentence you to the penalty of death by execution,” O’Toole said.
“No one will remember that your teachers were fond of you, that you were funny, a good athlete,’’ the judge added. “Whenever your name is mentioned, what will be remembered is the evil you have done.’’
Earlier in the day, victims of the bombing and their families addressed Tsarnaev one by one in a 24-person parade of sadness, anger and bewilderment, still, over what this killer had done. Those testifying variously damned him as a coward for attacking the innocent, shamed him for killing an 8-year-old boy and even mocked him as a failed “soldier of jihad.”
The friend of victim Krystle Campbell, Karen McWatters, said Tsarnaev “can’t possibly have a soul.” McWatters was alongside Campbell when she died. Campbell’s father William, who also spoke, told Tsarnaev he had “failed as soldier of jihad.”
Eight-year-old Martin Richard was the youngest to die in the bombing. His father, Bill, said, “This is all on him. We choose love, we choose kindness, we choose peace. That is what makes us different from him.”
Rebekah Gregory, who lost her leg in the bombing, was concise and to the point when she was given the chance to address Tsarnaev.
“We are Boston Strong and America Strong and choosing to mess with us was a bad idea,” she said. “How was that for your victim impact statement?”
Stephanie Benz was one of many injured by the blasts. She sustained significant damage to the left side of her body and leg while observing the race from a nearby patio. She spoke of how her friendships have changed. “People don’t know how to be friends with a bombing victim,” she said, “and who can blame them?”
Elizabeth Bourgault, who watched the marathon from the finish line with her husband, called Tsarnaev “a coward in the strongest sense of the word.”
Jennifer Lemmerman, the sister of fallen MIT police officer Sean Collier, said her brother’s death left an emptiness inside that she’s yet to fill.
Some of those who spoke found it within themselves to express forgiveness for Tsarnaev.
Jennifer Kauffman, who was waiting for a friend at the finish line, suffered abdominal, neck and back injuries in the bombing. While Kauffman says she is “literally afraid to sleep” due to recurring nightmares, she still expressed her forgiveness.
“I forgive you and your brother for the harm and terror you caused me, my family and loved ones,“ Kauffman said.
A federal jury, back in May, ruled Tsarnaev would be punished by death for his actions during the 2013 marathon. Dzhokhar and his brother set off pressure-cooker bombs in a crowded area close to the race’s finish line.
The judge presiding over the case was required to officially impose the jury’s prior ruling due to federal death penalty law.
Tsarnaev was convicted of 30 federal charges for his role in the attack.
Minutes before being sentenced to death, Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev apologized to a courtroom loaded with families of the people he killed and the wounded who survived the 2013 attacks, telling them he was praying for mercy for the dead and injured.
That tally from the bombing: three people killed, 17 left as amputees and 250 or so otherwise maimed or wounded.
“I would like to now apologize to the victims and to the survivors,” Tsarnaev said when presented with the chance to address the court Wednesday afternoon. “I am sorry for the lives that I’ve taken, the suffering that I’ve caused and the damage that I’ve done, irreparable damage”
Tsarnaev, who was described by spectators in the courtroom as soft-spoken and downcast, added, “I pray to Allah to put his mercy upon the deceased, the injured.”
The words were the first he uttered in the U.S. District Court other than when he pleaded not-guilty to the attack of April 15, 2013, and the murder of a fourth person while he and his older brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, were on the run. The elder brother was killed by police shortly before Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was captured.
After he spoke, U.S. District Judge George A. O’Toole formalized the punishment a jury had decided in May was appropriate: “I sentence you to the penalty of death by execution,” O’Toole said.
“No one will remember that your teachers were fond of you, that you were funny, a good athlete,’’ the judge added. “Whenever your name is mentioned, what will be remembered is the evil you have done.’’
Earlier in the day, victims of the bombing and their families addressed Tsarnaev one by one in a 24-person parade of sadness, anger and bewilderment, still, over what this killer had done. Those testifying variously damned him as a coward for attacking the innocent, shamed him for killing an 8-year-old boy and even mocked him as a failed “soldier of jihad.”
The friend of victim Krystle Campbell, Karen McWatters, said Tsarnaev “can’t possibly have a soul.” McWatters was alongside Campbell when she died. Campbell’s father William, who also spoke, told Tsarnaev he had “failed as soldier of jihad.”
Eight-year-old Martin Richard was the youngest to die in the bombing. His father, Bill, said, “This is all on him. We choose love, we choose kindness, we choose peace. That is what makes us different from him.”
Rebekah Gregory, who lost her leg in the bombing, was concise and to the point when she was given the chance to address Tsarnaev.
“We are Boston Strong and America Strong and choosing to mess with us was a bad idea,” she said. “How was that for your victim impact statement?”
Stephanie Benz was one of many injured by the blasts. She sustained significant damage to the left side of her body and leg while observing the race from a nearby patio. She spoke of how her friendships have changed. “People don’t know how to be friends with a bombing victim,” she said, “and who can blame them?”
Elizabeth Bourgault, who watched the marathon from the finish line with her husband, called Tsarnaev “a coward in the strongest sense of the word.”
Jennifer Lemmerman, the sister of fallen MIT police officer Sean Collier, said her brother’s death left an emptiness inside that she’s yet to fill.
Some of those who spoke found it within themselves to express forgiveness for Tsarnaev.
Jennifer Kauffman, who was waiting for a friend at the finish line, suffered abdominal, neck and back injuries in the bombing. While Kauffman says she is “literally afraid to sleep” due to recurring nightmares, she still expressed her forgiveness.
“I forgive you and your brother for the harm and terror you caused me, my family and loved ones,“ Kauffman said.
A federal jury, back in May, ruled Tsarnaev would be punished by death for his actions during the 2013 marathon. Dzhokhar and his brother set off pressure-cooker bombs in a crowded area close to the race’s finish line.
The judge presiding over the case was required to officially impose the jury’s prior ruling due to federal death penalty law.
Tsarnaev was convicted of 30 federal charges for his role in the attack.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Leviathan
Footballguy
Fry his ### like McVeigh.
squistion
Footballguy
Not until the appeals play out. McVeigh was executed 4 years after conviction, but he dropped his last appeal the year before.
