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Facebook/Zuck Hearings (1 Viewer)

glvsav37 said:
how many FB like buttons are on Non-FB web sites?

WTF?? is that even a question....FB doesn't put those buttons on non-FB pages, the individual page developers who create the sites do so that they can be shared and gain more exposure to their own content.

She almost had me believing she might know what she was talking about when discussing FB pixels. 

and i find it funny someone from Michigan saying data is sacred as clean air and clean water???!!!??!!
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Actually, this FB buttons run a script that allows FB the ability to track not only every page you visit that has that button, but how long you spend there, what parts of the page you navigate to, where your mouse goes on the site, what links you click on, etc.

And again, they're collecting that info on you whether you have a FB page or not.

 
Scoresman said:
It's really ####### amazing that we have the CEO of a company that has a terrible reputation of privacy and data issues and really should be the bad guy in this, but instead its our elected officials who are coming out of this looking like idiots on a witch hunt.  

This makes me want to create a rule for myself to never again vote for anyone over a certain age, because their inability to understand and relate to current times really makes them look like the morons they are.
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Most of them are still proud of themselves for how they handled the issue of horseless carriages.

 
Imagine being Zucc in this interrogation and having to be like "damn, congresswoman, you're ####### smart, all snappy with your bulbous lips and horrible australopithecus skull. I would totally engage in a tech debate with you, both my carbon print and the real me." When all he really wants to do is to baptize another Nascent One in the Sacristy of Deep. Like seriously imagine having to be Mark and not only sit on your charger while these methuselahs squint their disgusting faces in front of you, the favorable lighting barely concealing their pores and leathery skin, and just sit there, topic after topic, hour after hour while they go on with the charade. Not only having to tolerate their monstrous ####### faces but their haughty attitudes as everyone on stream spams JEBAITED and DAMN, ZUCC LOOKS LIKE *THAT*? because they're not the ones who have to sit there and watch their ####### geriatric faces contort into types of grimaces you didn't even know existed before that day. You've been breeding nothing but a healthy diet of bloodwyrms and serpentmodels and later alleged Chinese woman for your ENTIRE CAREER coming straight out of boonies in Pnakot. You've never even seen anything this ####### disgusting before, and now you swear you can sense the sweat seeping from their flesh openings as they adjust their bodies to lean suggestively towards you, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to get summoned to sit there and reply to their "senatorial" (for that is what they call themselves) wisdom, the wisdom they worked so hard on with professional educators in the past 70 years. And then the assembly calls for another answer and you know you could deglove every single human in this room before the military strike could temporarily banish you, but you sit there and endure, because you're ####### Zucc. You're not going to lose your future political career over this. Just bear it. Hide your real face and bear it.

 
urbanhack said:
Recap:

https://theintercept.com/2018/04/11/mark-zuckerberg-is-either-ignorant-deliberately-misleading-congress-or-both/
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Every single person involved in that came off looking bad. I really don't know what to make of this situation. On one hand, people need to delete their accounts and never go back on. The government probably does need to adopt standards like Europe is for handling private internet data. 

Also, I watched The Social Network for the first time in years last week and wow, it really is even more interesting now that we have seen everything FB has become. 

 
The General said:
Just last week read an article that showed how he has his FB photographer uses all kinds of forced perspective / angles to make him look tall in every photo that they release. I had never really thought about it but had assumed he was a tall lanky guy when he's actually Tom Cruise size.
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You'd think that when they created him, they'd have made him taller.  Maybe the next model.  

 
The General said:
Just last week read an article that showed how he has his FB photographer uses all kinds of forced perspective / angles to make him look tall in every photo that they release. I had never really thought about it but had assumed he was a tall lanky guy when he's actually Tom Cruise size.
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In the other Zucc thread there was an article about how he basically arrives unannounced at locations with professional camera crews.  His image is curated about as well as any politician's (unsurprisingly).  

 
ren hoek said:
Like cute little bunnies hopping into his lap. Ted Cruz was pretty tough on him.  
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Zuckerberg should have just refused to address his questions.  He's there to talk about privacy and user's data, not whether or not Chik-Fil-A had their hateful crap deleted.  

 
OK, so let me get this straight. Millions of peoples "private" info was used to create misleading ads about the candidates in the election. That info was used to target them with these misleading ads. Said ads were generated by Russia or the Trump campaign. Is it one or the other or both?

So are we mad that the info was given to the Russians or the Trump campaign?

Are we mad that Russia or Trump used this data to make misleading ads that influenced the election?

 I also have to ask...

Why aren't we mad that our election is so easily influenced by misleading ads on FB? Why aren't we mad that our electorate gets their information on presidential candidates from ads on Facebook

Why are we so mad that the sheep got duped? Shouldn't we be mad that so may of our fellow voters are sheep?

 
Chemical X said:
this country has no principles.....simple.

we may think we are smart, but we are sheep.  dumb dumb sheep.

all we care about is viral tweets, becoming a realty tv star and overreacting immediately to events that don't effect our daily lives.

what wells fargo is doing is hideous, but people still bank with them.  the Equifax breach was horrific, but no one seems to care.  the president said it best, he could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot someone and it wouldn't matter.  you know, it really wouldn't.

we are a society od f waiting for the next vigil, meaningless march or _______________ strong.  then we don't care.  rinse repeat.

just think, we held hearings in this country on steroids in baseball.....baseball!
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Are we? I’m not sure I agree. I think it’s the media who you are talking about. Nobody I know is outraged by this. 

 
TheFanatic said:
OK, so let me get this straight. Millions of peoples "private" info was used to create misleading ads about the candidates in the election. That info was used to target them with these misleading ads. Said ads were generated by Russia or the Trump campaign. Is it one or the other or both?

So are we mad that the info was given to the Russians or the Trump campaign?

Are we mad that Russia or Trump used this data to make misleading ads that influenced the election?

 I also have to ask...

Why aren't we mad that our election is so easily influenced by misleading ads on FB? Why aren't we mad that our electorate gets their information on presidential candidates from ads on Facebook

Why are we so mad that the sheep got duped? Shouldn't we be mad that so may of our fellow voters are sheep?
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We dont hold regular people accountable, only corporations.

 
I haven't followed the hearings. I have just been following the thread, but it sounds like if you have a Facebook account  and have seen the Social Network movie you are probably more qualified to be questioning Zuckerberg then the people actually doing it. 

 
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msudaisy26 said:
I haven't followed the hearings. I have just been following the thread, but it sounds like if you have a Facebook account  and have seen the Social Network movie you are probably more qualified to be questioning Zuckerberg then the people actually doing it. 
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If you know how to turn on a computer you are more qualified than some of these morons. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Can you make a case for how this country does not hold inviduals responsible? 
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Rank entitlement by so many sectors of society

Warren Buffet paying a smaller percentage of his income in taxes than his secretary who makes $50K (and this is across pretty much all the top 1% and beyond)

A welfare state that is no longer a helping hand to get people on their feet but a shackle to keep them in place

A presidential election impacted by idiots who figure out who to vote for by clicking ads on Facebook

Making people accountable to the penal code is not that strong of a threshold. Sort of like George Costanza after he slept with the cleaning woman. "Is that wrong?" It won't get him arrested, but it's not right. 

And that's not even taking into account the inequities, particularly racial and economic, with our penal system. 

 
TheFanatic said:
Rank entitlement by so many sectors of society

Warren Buffet paying a smaller percentage of his income in taxes than his secretary who makes $50K (and this is across pretty much all the top 1% and beyond)

A welfare state that is no longer a helping hand to get people on their feet but a shackle to keep them in place

A presidential election impacted by idiots who figure out who to vote for by clicking ads on Facebook

Making people accountable to the penal code is not that strong of a threshold. Sort of like George Costanza after he slept with the cleaning woman. "Is that wrong?" It won't get him arrested, but it's not right. 

And that's not even taking into account the inequities, particularly racial and economic, with our penal system. 
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These are not the lanes I thought you would have chosen.

I was thinking more along the lines of "foreseeable misuse" lawsuits and "willful misconduct" thresholds. As well as things like universal life insurance policies now being worthless and the media blaming insurance companies. 

 
TheFanatic said:
Rank entitlement by so many sectors of society

Warren Buffet paying a smaller percentage of his income in taxes than his secretary who makes $50K (and this is across pretty much all the top 1% and beyond) Interesting point, hadn't thought of it that way. I totally agree. 

A welfare state that is no longer a helping hand to get people on their feet but a shackle to keep them in place I am not sure I really agree there. As a teacher, I see a different end. Yes, the welfare system might shackle parents but it also can be the only thing keeping a kids life together. If that kid can have a solid place to live, food and some of the other amenitities that are a part of normal life in America, they can focus on their education and hopefully end the cycle of reliance. Michigan has a realy high level of kids that are homeless or without a stable residence. That is a killer for their education. These kids become transient, have poor attendance and have trouble focusing in school because they have so many personal worries. 

That ist to say nothing of $60 billion in annual corporate welfare (doubles the cost of Medicaid)

A presidential election impacted by idiots who figure out who to vote for by clicking ads on Facebook I am not sure that's any different than it ever was. Lots of the populace is ill-informed. I think that issue can just as easily be seen as FB taking advantage of those people for profit or just pure negligence. 

Making people accountable to the penal code is not that strong of a threshold. Sort of like George Costanza after he slept with the cleaning woman. "Is that wrong?" It won't get him arrested, but it's not right.  I would say the biggest prison population on earth is more than just enforcing the penal code. Especially when corporate regulations are so often overlooked or rolled back. Cutting back regulations on businesses is a very popular political platform. Cutting back regulations on individual citizens rarley happens- the government just keeps adding more and more. 

And that's not even taking into account the inequities, particularly racial and economic, with our penal system. 
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I think ultimately, it depends on which area one looks at. This is an interesting piece on corporate crime that I came across. The gyst of it is that corporate crime massively dwarfs "street" crime and corporate criminals are often able to not just get away with but get to help form the regulations that they work under. Obvously these are huge advantages that only the most wealthy few citizens could ever get. 

 
Ilov80s said:
I think ultimately, it depends on which area one looks at. This is an interesting piece on corporate crime that I came across. The gyst of it is that corporate crime massively dwarfs "street" crime and corporate criminals are often able to not just get away with but get to help form the regulations that they work under. Obvously these are huge advantages that only the most wealthy few citizens could ever get. 
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Yep. And we see it time and time again with poor black kids who get caught with pot a third time and are in jail for life, but a rich white guy gets caught with cocaine and he has to do community service. 

 
Ilov80s said:
I think ultimately, it depends on which area one looks at. This is an interesting piece on corporate crime that I came across. The gyst of it is that corporate crime massively dwarfs "street" crime and corporate criminals are often able to not just get away with but get to help form the regulations that they work under. Obvously these are huge advantages that only the most wealthy few citizens could ever get. 
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I only read #20 and #19, but those first two actually support my position, at least IMO. #20 addresses corporations getting fined, yet fails to point out how almost none of the individual law breakers get prosecuted. #19 automatically assumes all of the workplace deaths are the fault of the corporation and not some idiot failing to follow a clearly defined procedure. 

 
parasaurolophus said:
I only read #20 and #19, but those first two actually support my position, at least IMO. #20 addresses corporations getting fined, yet fails to point out how almost none of the individual law breakers get prosecuted. #19 automatically assumes all of the workplace deaths are the fault of the corporation and not some idiot failing to follow a clearly defined procedure. 
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Well that’s only 2. But I guess there is a gray area as to what a corporation is if it isn’t the people that work for it- particularly those in upper management and on the boards.

 
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Ilov80s said:
Well that’s only 2. But I guess there is a gray area as to what a corporation is if it isn’t the people that work for it- particularly those in upper management and on the boards.
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"Corporate crime" is about as gray as it can get. Look at the wells fargo case. The people that very clearly broke the law and could be prosecuted are the little people. I bet there is little evidence of any direct wrongdoing available. It basically becomes layers of innuendo and pressure, which arent easy to prosecute, hence the fines.

 
parasaurolophus said:
"Corporate crime" is about as gray as it can get. Look at the wells fargo case. The people that very clearly broke the law and could be prosecuted are the little people. I bet there is little evidence of any direct wrongdoing available. It basically becomes layers of innuendo and pressure, which arent easy to prosecute, hence the fines.
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Yes, true. Here are of the other 20 points that run counter 

Corporate criminals are the only criminal class in the United States that have the power to define the laws under which they live.

Corporate crime is under-prosecuted by a factor of say – 100. And the flip side of that – corporate crime prosecutors are underfunded by a factor of say – 100.

Today, corporate criminals don’t have to worry as much about pleading guilty to crimes. Three new loopholes have developed over the past five years – the deferred prosecution agreement, the non prosecution agreement, and pleading guilty a closet entity or a defunct entity that has nothing to lose.

 
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