Fact or Fiction? Rolling Stone's UVA Gang Rape Story (1 Viewer)

[General Malaise]

here is another Sabrina Erdely article that makes you wonder how much is truth and how much is fiction:

http://sabrinaerdely.com/docs/MainLineMadam.pdf

People are starting to pick up some older articles for fact checking. She apparently played fast and loose with the facts quite often.

Anybody got a number for this "Erica".

 

[Sweet J]

A rape accusation is a double-edged sword. It is hard for the accuser to prove, and it is hard for the accused to disprove. Add in alchohol to most of the college rape situations and the water gets even muddier.

If college women want to avoid most college rape situations, don't get drunk at parties. It lowers their inhibitions and guys take advantage of lowered inhibitions. Girls may end up doing things with people they didn't want to

do them with and regret it later. If college men want to avoid being accused of rape, don't have sex with drunk women. What they do with you drunk, they may not do sober, and therefore will have regret over the whole situation.

This may lead to a false accusation.

It says a lot about how politicized this issue has become that this advice generally draws nothing but criticism when it comes from college administrators.

True. The constant theme we've seen is, with rare exception, women people respect don't get raped.

This is offensive and untrue.

I'm just basing this on hundreds of cases that I've seen.

"with rare exception, women people respect don't get raped."

I can't think of a more incredible and unbelievable statement than this.

How you use words is important. Your statement is a lot different than, for example, "a rapist doesn't respect the woman he rapes." And a lot more offensive. The focus in this second statement is on the mindset of the rapist, not on the immutable quality of the woman raped.

 

[GroveDiesel]

here is another Sabrina Erdely article that makes you wonder how much is truth and how much is fiction:

http://sabrinaerdely.com/docs/MainLineMadam.pdf

People are starting to pick up some older articles for fact checking. She apparently played fast and loose with the facts quite often.

Turns out that she went to school with, and in fact was friends with, Stephen Glass.

 

[FUBAR]

A rape accusation is a double-edged sword. It is hard for the accuser to prove, and it is hard for the accused to disprove. Add in alchohol to most of the college rape situations and the water gets even muddier.

If college women want to avoid most college rape situations, don't get drunk at parties. It lowers their inhibitions and guys take advantage of lowered inhibitions. Girls may end up doing things with people they didn't want to

do them with and regret it later. If college men want to avoid being accused of rape, don't have sex with drunk women. What they do with you drunk, they may not do sober, and therefore will have regret over the whole situation.

This may lead to a false accusation.

It says a lot about how politicized this issue has become that this advice generally draws nothing but criticism when it comes from college administrators.

True. The constant theme we've seen is, with rare exception, women people respect don't get raped.

This is offensive and untrue.

I'm just basing this on hundreds of cases that I've seen.

"with rare exception, women people respect don't get raped."

I can't think of a more incredible and unbelievable statement than this.

How you use words is important. Your statement is a lot different than, for example, "a rapist doesn't respect the woman he rapes." And a lot more offensive. The focus in this second statement is on the mindset of the rapist, not on the immutable quality of the woman raped.

thanks for the English lesson. I wrote what I meant.

If that's too much of generalization for you I'll state the simple facts. Of the hundreds of cases we've considered prosecuting, the common theme is the girl or guy has issues. Those issues can be recent misconduct, a broken home and she hasn't gotten past it, her being overly naïve, or her having exhibited "questionable morals" in the past. This doesn't excuse the rapist's behavior. But there's almost always a reason the predator picked his prey.

ETA: this was a nugget our senior special victims prosecutor told me 6 years ago and it's held true from what I could see over the years.

 

[rockaction]

here is another Sabrina Erdely article that makes you wonder how much is truth and how much is fiction:

http://sabrinaerdely.com/docs/MainLineMadam.pdf

People are starting to pick up some older articles for fact checking. She apparently played fast and loose with the facts quite often.

Turns out that she went to school with, and in fact was friends with, Stephen Glass.

That can't be true. That would be too much.

eta* And if so, Rolling Stone still ####### sticks by Glass's stories as factually accurate. So what the #### is this?

 

[Joe Summer]

These Sabrina Erdely articles are straight out of an afterschool special where the ambitious student reporter fabricates stories for the school paper.

 

[rockaction]

These Sabrina Erdely articles are straight out of an afterschool special where the ambitious student reporter fabricates stories for the school paper.

I swear I was making bad jokes about her use of glass and Stephen Glass about five hours ago and thought I was stupid for doing it.

This is fabulism, pure and simple, and Rolling Stone hasn't learned, and hasn't cared.

 

[GroveDiesel]

here is another Sabrina Erdely article that makes you wonder how much is truth and how much is fiction:

http://sabrinaerdely.com/docs/MainLineMadam.pdf

People are starting to pick up some older articles for fact checking. She apparently played fast and loose with the facts quite often.

Turns out that she went to school with, and in fact was friends with, Stephen Glass.

That can't be true. That would be too much.

eta* And if so, Rolling Stone still ####### sticks by Glass's stories as factually accurate. So what the #### is this?

http://www.upenn.edu/gazette/0104/0104arts02.html

Straight from her pen.

 

[rockaction]

here is another Sabrina Erdely article that makes you wonder how much is truth and how much is fiction:

http://sabrinaerdely.com/docs/MainLineMadam.pdf

People are starting to pick up some older articles for fact checking. She apparently played fast and loose with the facts quite often.

Turns out that she went to school with, and in fact was friends with, Stephen Glass.

That can't be true. That would be too much.

eta* And if so, Rolling Stone still ####### sticks by Glass's stories as factually accurate. So what the #### is this?

http://www.upenn.edu/gazette/0104/0104arts02.html

Straight from her pen.

To a magazine's stupid little self-confirming ears. I'm getting angrier as the day, story, and scandal move along.

We'll write what we believe.

This magazine. Dead. DOA. #### it. Never read that trash again.

 

[McGarnicle]

JFC

Who'd she suck off to land the Rolling Stone gig?

 

[GroveDiesel]

Looks like she previously wrote an article about rape that also is proving to be false:

http://www.bigtrial.net/20http://www.bigtrial.net/2014/12/before-rolling-stone-was-conned-by.html?m=114/12/before-rolling-stone-was-conned-by.html?m=1

 

[rockaction]

All I know is, something really, really messed up went down at The New Republic with the founders of Facebook and Rolling Stone and the legacy of Stephen Glass and...

After that, I guess it's #### all of us, huh?

 

[tommyboy]

LENA DUNHAM’S PUBLISHER: Rapist “Barry” Is A Made-Up Character. “Random House, on our own behalf and on behalf of our author, regrets the confusion that has led attorney Aaron Minc to post on GoFundMe on behalf of his client, whose first name is Barry.”

Lena Dunhams publisher backtracking:

 

[McGarnicle]

How big of a hit will RS take for this? It's forgotten by the new year, or they're a punchline for the foreseeable future? It's definitely the latter in my mind, though I'm sure I will still read some of their music coverage (which they should really focus on 100% IMO).

 

[rockaction]

LENA DUNHAM’S PUBLISHER: Rapist “Barry” Is A Made-Up Character. “Random House, on our own behalf and on behalf of our author, regrets the confusion that has led attorney Aaron Minc to post on GoFundMe on behalf of his client, whose first name is Barry.”

Lena Dunhams publisher backtracking:

Opps (yes, sic).

 

[Leroy Hoard]

That's it. I'm not going back to the R & R Hall of Fame.

 

[McGarnicle]

LENA DUNHAM’S PUBLISHER: Rapist “Barry” Is A Made-Up Character. “Random House, on our own behalf and on behalf of our author, regrets the confusion that has led attorney Aaron Minc to post on GoFundMe on behalf of his client, whose first name is Barry.”

Lena Dunhams publisher backtracking:

That guy is going to drink champagne and bang his wife really good tonight.I hope Dunham is seen for who she is now.

 

[SacramentoBob]

LENA DUNHAM’S PUBLISHER: Rapist “Barry” Is A Made-Up Character. “Random House, on our own behalf and on behalf of our author, regrets the confusion that has led attorney Aaron Minc to post on GoFundMe on behalf of his client, whose first name is Barry.”

Lena Dunhams publisher backtracking:

"Also, the rape was made up"

 

[SacramentoBob]

How long before Dunham tries the "the rape was made up, but I hope it starts a dialogue in this country about America's woman-hating rape-culture" deflection?

 

[chauncey]

Small world, I just found out my aunt is friends with Jackie's mom. Could be some interesting conversations this Christmas.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Sabo takes aim at her:

http://m.hollywoodreporter.com/entry/view/id/875102

 

[PatsWillWin]

LENA DUNHAM’S PUBLISHER: Rapist “Barry” Is A Made-Up Character. “Random House, on our own behalf and on behalf of our author, regrets the confusion that has led attorney Aaron Minc to post on GoFundMe on behalf of his client, whose first name is Barry.”

Lena Dunhams publisher backtracking:

Doesn't really sound like they're backtracking at all. They're saying that Barry was a pseudonym. They don't say anything about the veracity of Dunham's rape story.

 

[PatsWillWin]

With due respect to IK, I'm not sure how much of a "villain" Jackie really was/is. She could have genuinely been thrown for an awful loop by a sexual assault. Or she could be one of the crusaders that I met in the '90s that are completely odious. I've met, dated, and had personal experiences with both. We're probably never really going to know now that this has become so overtly political, and so driven by advocacy, which seems to be the real problem with the author and the magazine.

Maybe. It could be that Jackie suffered some other sexual assault that we don't know anything about. But we do now know with 100% certainty that the rape she describes absolutely did not occur. If she was attacked, it was some other attack that she hasn't described yet, not anything related to the Rolling Stone article.

True. I'm just trying to sort through the wreckage that must happen when one has been horribly abused or is under the impression that they have been horribly abused. It's just tough to go to motive is all I'm saying. I think that's why Rolling Stone has now altered its own retraction, which had gotten cries of "victim-shaming" from both the right (NR and the right blogosphere) and the left (Salon, Jezebel, etc.)

She tried to pull out of the story apparently. I think this is 99% on RS. They sought her and published without any verification whatsoever. It's beyond just bad journalism. What they did was despicable.

Yeah I don't buy the "fact checking is a long and arduous process." It doesn't sound like they tried to talk to anyone. Some girl tells a story, refuses to give any names, and they run with it because it fits into stereotypes. Great journalism.

 

[Joe Summer]

How long before Dunham tries the "the rape was made up, but I hope it starts a dialogue in this country about America's woman-hating rape-culture" deflection?

She'll skip that and go straight to "I'm being attacked by pro-rape victim blamers!"

 

[IvanKaramazov]

LENA DUNHAM’S PUBLISHER: Rapist “Barry” Is A Made-Up Character. “Random House, on our own behalf and on behalf of our author, regrets the confusion that has led attorney Aaron Minc to post on GoFundMe on behalf of his client, whose first name is Barry.”

Lena Dunhams publisher backtracking:

Doesn't really sound like they're backtracking at all. They're saying that Barry was a pseudonym. They don't say anything about the veracity of Dunham's rape story.

She identified her rapist, "Barry," as a well-known campus Republican. Unfortunately for her, there apparently really was a well-known campus Republican named Barry during the time that she was there. I hope he gets every dime in her possession, assuming this story is false, which is what her publisher seems to suggest.

Rape is a big deal, and it's rightly a felony. So let's not just make #### up about people raping you, okay?

 

[General Malaise]

Not sure if this was posted yet or not but a conservative blogger named Charles Johnson published "Jackie's" full name, picture and Pinterest page. I can't paste links in the mobile version for some reason. Gotnews is the site. Strange world we live in.

 

[General Malaise]

http://gotnews.com/breaking-heres-jackie-coakley-rape-obsessed-pinterest-account-uvahoax/

 

[Slapdash]

That's disturbing

 

[General Malaise]

That's disturbing

He looks a little rapey himself.

 

[Slapdash]

Hard to imagine doing more harm to your cause than the stories focused on here.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Not sure if this was posted yet or not but a conservative blogger named Charles Johnson published "Jackie's" full name, picture and Pinterest page. I can't paste links in the mobile version for some reason. Gotnews is the site. Strange world we live in.

We've got her pinterest now!!

 

[TobiasFunke]

Not sure if this was posted yet or not but a conservative blogger named Charles Johnson published "Jackie's" full name, picture and Pinterest page. I can't paste links in the mobile version for some reason. Gotnews is the site. Strange world we live in.

That guy is the worst. I was familiar with him before this case, he's well-known in the twitterverse as a useless POS and a terrible reporter. Before he posted that story he tried to blackmail "Jackie" into "telling the truth," threatening to publicly reveal everything about her if she didn't. Here's a pretty thorough takedown of him generally and his work on this story specifically.

 

[rockaction]

Not sure if this was posted yet or not but a conservative blogger named Charles Johnson published "Jackie's" full name, picture and Pinterest page. I can't paste links in the mobile version for some reason. Gotnews is the site. Strange world we live in.

That guy is the worst. I was familiar with him before this case, he's well-known in the twitterverse as a useless POS and a terrible reporter. Before he posted that story he tried to blackmail "Jackie" into "telling the truth," threatening to publicly reveal everything about her if she didn't. Here's a pretty thorough takedown of him generally and his work on this story specifically.

Kind of like Glass and Erdely. I mean, once you dig the hole...

Ironic, though, that the truth gets you vilified in some circles while a lie in the service of a cause gets you Duranty treatment and movie rights.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Not sure if this was posted yet or not but a conservative blogger named Charles Johnson published "Jackie's" full name, picture and Pinterest page. I can't paste links in the mobile version for some reason. Gotnews is the site. Strange world we live in.

That guy is the worst. I was familiar with him before this case, he's well-known in the twitterverse as a useless POS and a terrible reporter. Before he posted that story he tried to blackmail "Jackie" into "telling the truth," threatening to publicly reveal everything about her if she didn't. Here's a pretty thorough takedown of him generally and his work on this story specifically.

I agree that Charles Johnson is a POS, no excuse for both incorrectly outing and correctly outing Jackie. However, I wonder if Chez has equally harsh things to say about Sabrina and Lena.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Not sure if this was posted yet or not but a conservative blogger named Charles Johnson published "Jackie's" full name, picture and Pinterest page. I can't paste links in the mobile version for some reason. Gotnews is the site. Strange world we live in.

That guy is the worst. I was familiar with him before this case, he's well-known in the twitterverse as a useless POS and a terrible reporter. Before he posted that story he tried to blackmail "Jackie" into "telling the truth," threatening to publicly reveal everything about her if she didn't. Here's a pretty thorough takedown of him generally and his work on this story specifically.

I agree that this is a really scuzzy thing to do, but that second link is borderline-unreadable. Who writes stuff like that? And how is there an audience for it?

Edit: To be fair, I have no idea who Charles Johnson is. There's a pretty big part of the internet that I simply don't visit.

 

[rockaction]

Not sure if this was posted yet or not but a conservative blogger named Charles Johnson published "Jackie's" full name, picture and Pinterest page. I can't paste links in the mobile version for some reason. Gotnews is the site. Strange world we live in.

That guy is the worst. I was familiar with him before this case, he's well-known in the twitterverse as a useless POS and a terrible reporter. Before he posted that story he tried to blackmail "Jackie" into "telling the truth," threatening to publicly reveal everything about her if she didn't. Here's a pretty thorough takedown of him generally and his work on this story specifically.

I agree that this is a really scuzzy thing to do, but that second link is borderline-unreadable. Who writes stuff like that? And how is there an audience for it?

It's Wonkette. It's Ana Marie Cox's old site. Back during the early aughts, she allegedly killed a hooker at SMU her reporting essentially got a Washington hooker to commit suicide. Then some neck beard took over and that's the quality of journalism you've got out of Wonkette.

Ana Marie is a former Spin reporter, RS girl, MTV girl, and the wife of a Lehmann-Haupt, one of the long line of lit crits that write for major Northeastern or Mid-Atlantic publications, such as the NYT and the WaPo. She also still wore Chuck Taylor's in her mid-forties as a style statement.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Not sure if this was posted yet or not but a conservative blogger named Charles Johnson published "Jackie's" full name, picture and Pinterest page. I can't paste links in the mobile version for some reason. Gotnews is the site. Strange world we live in.

That guy is the worst. I was familiar with him before this case, he's well-known in the twitterverse as a useless POS and a terrible reporter. Before he posted that story he tried to blackmail "Jackie" into "telling the truth," threatening to publicly reveal everything about her if she didn't. Here's a pretty thorough takedown of him generally and his work on this story specifically.

I agree that this is a really scuzzy thing to do, but that second link is borderline-unreadable. Who writes stuff like that? And how is there an audience for it?

It's a liberal'leaning political blog. There's an audience for it because the guy's a despicable human being and mainstream media are treating him with kid gloves while giving him the exact sort of exposure he craves. A lot of people are tired of people like that and they enjoy reading someone take him down without pulling punches. Doesn't seem surprising to me. Not the most clever name-calling, but they can't all be direct hits.

 

[rockaction]

Not sure if this was posted yet or not but a conservative blogger named Charles Johnson published "Jackie's" full name, picture and Pinterest page. I can't paste links in the mobile version for some reason. Gotnews is the site. Strange world we live in.

That guy is the worst. I was familiar with him before this case, he's well-known in the twitterverse as a useless POS and a terrible reporter. Before he posted that story he tried to blackmail "Jackie" into "telling the truth," threatening to publicly reveal everything about her if she didn't. Here's a pretty thorough takedown of him generally and his work on this story specifically.

I agree that this is a really scuzzy thing to do, but that second link is borderline-unreadable. Who writes stuff like that? And how is there an audience for it?

It's a liberal'leaning political blog. There's an audience for it because the guy's a despicable human being and mainstream media are treating him with kid gloves while giving him the exact sort of exposure he craves. A lot of people are tired of people like that and they enjoy reading someone take him down without pulling punches. Doesn't seem surprising to me. Not the most clever name-calling, but they can't all be direct hits.

Unbelievable. All hands on deck. All gloves off. Both sides.

Nothing will get resolved. There's a lot to say about this, but I guess those of us kind of sick with the whole thing are just going to have to go on good faith that journalistic ethics are in place for a ####### reason.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Not sure if this was posted yet or not but a conservative blogger named Charles Johnson published "Jackie's" full name, picture and Pinterest page. I can't paste links in the mobile version for some reason. Gotnews is the site. Strange world we live in.

That guy is the worst. I was familiar with him before this case, he's well-known in the twitterverse as a useless POS and a terrible reporter. Before he posted that story he tried to blackmail "Jackie" into "telling the truth," threatening to publicly reveal everything about her if she didn't. Here's a pretty thorough takedown of him generally and his work on this story specifically.

I agree that Charles Johnson is a POS, no excuse for both incorrectly outing and correctly outing Jackie. However, I wonder if Chez has equally harsh things to say about Sabrina and Lena.

Plenty of people are taking down Sabrina and Rolling Stone. If you want to see liberals taking shots at them I can post links all day.

As for Dunham- as far as I can tell all she did was use a psuedonym in her story that happened to be a real name of someone who fit the desciption. Irresponsible to not make that clearer, but it certainly doesn't rise to the level of what Johnson is doing here. Not even close.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Not sure if this was posted yet or not but a conservative blogger named Charles Johnson published "Jackie's" full name, picture and Pinterest page. I can't paste links in the mobile version for some reason. Gotnews is the site. Strange world we live in.

That guy is the worst. I was familiar with him before this case, he's well-known in the twitterverse as a useless POS and a terrible reporter. Before he posted that story he tried to blackmail "Jackie" into "telling the truth," threatening to publicly reveal everything about her if she didn't. Here's a pretty thorough takedown of him generally and his work on this story specifically.

I agree that Charles Johnson is a POS, no excuse for both incorrectly outing and correctly outing Jackie. However, I wonder if Chez has equally harsh things to say about Sabrina and Lena.

Plenty of people are taking down Sabrina and Rolling Stone. If you want to see liberals taking shots at them I can post links all day.

As for Dunham- as far as I can tell all she did was use a psuedonym in her story that happened to be a real name of someone who fit the desciption. Irresponsible to not make that clearer, but it certainly doesn't rise to the level of what Johnson is doing here. Not even close. Did you miss the part where the picture he posted of "Jackie" wasn't even her?

Nope, that is why I said he was a POS for incorrectly outing her as well as ultimately correctly outing her. If we want to talk about level of irresponsibility, I will grant you Sabrina>Johnson>Dunham. In terms of Dunham, she used the name Barry (failed to say it was a psuedonym) and the real life guy didn't fit the physical description but did fit the political descriptions she used. He was being targeted by people who figured it out and tagged him as the rapist and Dunham took to twitter and failed to clear the guy. That is pretty bad not to clear things up once she knew people had incorrectly identified him as her rapist.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Not sure if this was posted yet or not but a conservative blogger named Charles Johnson published "Jackie's" full name, picture and Pinterest page. I can't paste links in the mobile version for some reason. Gotnews is the site. Strange world we live in.

That guy is the worst. I was familiar with him before this case, he's well-known in the twitterverse as a useless POS and a terrible reporter. Before he posted that story he tried to blackmail "Jackie" into "telling the truth," threatening to publicly reveal everything about her if she didn't. Here's a pretty thorough takedown of him generally and his work on this story specifically.

I agree that Charles Johnson is a POS, no excuse for both incorrectly outing and correctly outing Jackie. However, I wonder if Chez has equally harsh things to say about Sabrina and Lena.

Plenty of people are taking down Sabrina and Rolling Stone. If you want to see liberals taking shots at them I can post links all day.

As for Dunham- as far as I can tell all she did was use a psuedonym in her story that happened to be a real name of someone who fit the desciption. Irresponsible to not make that clearer, but it certainly doesn't rise to the level of what Johnson is doing here. Not even close. Did you miss the part where the picture he posted of "Jackie" wasn't even her?

Nope, that is why I said he was a POS for incorrectly outing her as well as ultimately correctly outing her. If we want to talk about level of irresponsibility, I will grant you Sabrina>Johnson>Dunham. In terms of Dunham, she used the name Barry (failed to say it was a psuedonym) and the real life guy didn't fit the physical description but did fit the political descriptions she used. He was being targeted by people who figured it out and tagged him as the rapist and Dunham took to twitter and failed to clear the guy. That is pretty bad not to clear things up once she knew people had incorrectly identified him as her rapist.

Apologies on the bolded, I missed that on your post the first time around, went back and edited my post.

 

[tommyboy]

so now the problem isn't that some chick lied about a gang rape that got published in Rolling Stone and caused UVA to shut down its entire Greek system, its that some other guy published her pininterest pages after it was revealed that her story was bs?

 

[pantagrapher]

so now the problem isn't that some chick lied about a gang rape that got published in Rolling Stone and caused UVA to shut down its entire Greek system, its that some other guy published her pininterest pages after it was revealed that her story was bs?

No.

 

[TobiasFunke]

so now the problem isn't that some chick lied about a gang rape that got published in Rolling Stone and caused UVA to shut down its entire Greek system, its that some other guy published her pininterest pages after it was revealed that her story was bs?

This might blow your mind, so sit down and take a few deep breaths before you read any further:

There could be more than one problem here.

Don't worry too much, though. They're all still Obama's fault. Thanks a lot, Obama.

 

[rockaction]

so now the problem isn't that some chick lied about a gang rape that got published in Rolling Stone and caused UVA to shut down its entire Greek system, its that some other guy published her pininterest pages after it was revealed that her story was bs?

I wouldn't misread a complaint about Charles Johnson's journalistic integrity as the crux of the problem at all, though I can see where if you had just checked into this thread, that's where the discussion was going.

But this will be discussed, because the cloak of anonymity for sexual victims and the leeway it provides them with their stories has just been challenged by a pretty ballsy (or scuzzy) guy in a major way.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

so now the problem isn't that some chick lied about a gang rape that got published in Rolling Stone and caused UVA to shut down its entire Greek system, its that some other guy published her pininterest pages after it was revealed that her story was bs?

Why can't somebody think that what Jackie did is irresponsible/reprehensible and also think that doxxing her is irresponsible/reprehensible too? There's a decent likelihood (IMO) that Jackie has genuine psychological problems. While she did something very bad, we can still show a little compassion.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

so now the problem isn't that some chick lied about a gang rape that got published in Rolling Stone and caused UVA to shut down its entire Greek system, its that some other guy published her pininterest pages after it was revealed that her story was bs?

Why can't somebody think that what Jackie did is irresponsible/reprehensible and also think that doxxing her is irresponsible/reprehensible too? There's a decent likelihood (IMO) that Jackie has genuine psychological problems. While she did something very bad, we can still show a little compassion.

of course and if you are going to go after someone then go after the "journalist" that wrote the story and the "editor" that green lighted it despite a total lack of fact checking.

 

[TobiasFunke]

so now the problem isn't that some chick lied about a gang rape that got published in Rolling Stone and caused UVA to shut down its entire Greek system, its that some other guy published her pininterest pages after it was revealed that her story was bs?

Why can't somebody think that what Jackie did is irresponsible/reprehensible and also think that doxxing her is irresponsible/reprehensible too? There's a decent likelihood (IMO) that Jackie has genuine psychological problems. While she did something very bad, we can still show a little compassion.

of course and if you are going to go after someone then go after the "journalist" that wrote the story and the "editor" that green lighted it despite a total lack of fact checking.

There's no a shortage of people doing that. They're getting killed. This will end her career and put a serious dent in the integrity of Rolling Stone going forward. I bet this forces them to change the focus of the magazine completely and they ditch the long form political/social commentary for years, if not forever. Betting they get sued, too.

 

[rockaction]

This is a little more concretely ridiculous. From Volokh about Lena Dunham and "Barry," her supposed rapist. This is their initial legal offer.

TheWrap now reports that Random House has put out a statement exonerating this Identifiable Conservative Barry, and saying that the alleged rapist wasn’t really named Barry at all:

As indicated on the copyright page of Not That Kind of Girl by Lena Dunham, some names and identifying details in the book have been changed. The name ‘Barry’ referenced in the book is a pseudonym. Random House, on our own behalf and on behalf of our author, regrets the confusion that has led attorney Aaron Minc to post on GoFundMe on behalf of his client, whose first name is Barry.

We are offering to pay the fees Mr. Minc has billed his client to date. Our offer will allow Mr. Minc and his client to donate all of the crowd-funding raised to not-for-profit organizations assisting survivors of rape and sexual assault.

 

[tommyboy]

so now the problem isn't that some chick lied about a gang rape that got published in Rolling Stone and caused UVA to shut down its entire Greek system, its that some other guy published her pininterest pages after it was revealed that her story was bs?

Why can't somebody think that what Jackie did is irresponsible/reprehensible and also think that doxxing her is irresponsible/reprehensible too? There's a decent likelihood (IMO) that Jackie has genuine psychological problems. While she did something very bad, we can still show a little compassion.

I just wanted to see where people stand on this thing.

of course, both things are bad.

the biggest scumbag in all of this isn't Jackie, isn't Charles C Johnson and isn't UVA. The biggest scumbag of all is the author Sabrina Erdely and Rolling Stone, a mag that isn't worth lining your birdcage with after this type of journalistic malpractice. I hope they get sued into bankruptcy and I hope she never gets another journalism job for the rest of her life.