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Fact or Fiction? Rolling Stone's UVA Gang Rape Story (1 Viewer)

Why are news outlets still referring to her only as "Jackie?"  I understand why we protect the identities of rape victims, but that's not what happened here.

 
shouldn't Chauncey come back and change the thread title to "fat chick lies about rape, ruins lives" or something a little more accurate

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Why are news outlets still referring to her only as "Jackie?"  I understand why we protect the identities of rape victims, but that's not what happened here.
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You're just part of the problem, perpetuating America's fake rape culture by trying to shame fake victims from telling their fake story.

 
FUBAR said:
:lol:   at the guy wearing a brown suit, he's in deep ####.
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One of two things are at play here.  Perhaps both but unlikey.

She is either the most amazing lay and incredible beyond words in the sack or that dude is mildly ######ed.  Take your pick.  No sane guy is signing up for that assuming he knows the deal.

 
Why are news outlets still referring to her only as "Jackie?" I understand why we protect the identities of rape victims, but that's not what happened here.
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News outlets are afraid to create outrage among feminist groups. But on a more practical level, I think they're going with "Jackie" because that's what everyone already knows her as, and that's the name that's going to attract the most clicks.

 
Joe Summer said:
News outlets are afraid to create outrage among feminist groups. But on a more practical level, I think they're going with "Jackie" because that's what everyone already knows her as, and that's the name that's going to attract the most clicks.
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There was a pragmatic element to this? 

eta* Just kidding. I get the pragmatism behind lying about anecdotes to advance theory, it just seems to fold in upon itself at some point. 

 
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Lawyers for 'Jackie' tacitly admit she invented her pretend rapist

Lawyers for "Jackie," the woman who claimed to Rolling Stone that she had been gang-raped at a University of Virginia fraternity party have finally acknowledged that their client created the fake rapist alleged to have orchestrated the attack.

Jackie's lawyers, in new court documents filed Tuesday, acknowledged that they had accessed an email account connected to the fake rapist in mid-March. The email account for "Haven Monahan," the name Jackie gave as her alleged rapist, had been created days after the alleged gang-rape had occurred and a day before the email account sent a love letter to a young man whom Jackie had a crush on.

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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/lawyers-for-jackie-tacitly-admit-she-invented-her-pretend-rapist/article/2592725?custom_click=rss

- 2020: Hey, anyone ever hear of Gawker? Old website, pretty popular.... say whatever happened to them?

 
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Duffin’s conversations with Haven Monahan continued, and according to transcripts submitted in Eramo’s case, the text messages extensively detailed Jackie’s unrequited feelings for Duffin.

At one point, Haven Monahan confronted Duffin about his lack of interest in dating Jackie, urging Duffin to have more sympathy for her, claiming that she had a terminal illness. Surprised by the revelation, Duffin texted Jackie, who confirmed the diagnosis.

“Ryan, it means I’m dying,” she texted.

Duffin replied: “I had no idea. Do you want to talk?”

In late September 2012, Jackie announced that she had a date at the Boar’s Head Inn with Haven Monahan. In an interview with The Post in 2014, Jackie said that the red dress she wore on the date — which Rolling Stone reported was later covered in her blood after the gang rape — had actually been purchased especially for the trip with Duffin to see the band in D.C.

At 10:23 p.m. on the night of the alleged rape, Jackie texted Duffin: “Just wondering. What are you doing now?”

Duffin said he was busy, but when Jackie alluded to something being amiss, he texted: “I want to know what’s going on.”

“Nothing is going on I promise I feel really stupid cause I ran to you and I always run to you,” Jackie replied. He and two other friends then went to meet Jackie near the dorms and found her hysterically upset, making the claims about being forced to perform oral sex.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/01/08/catfishing-over-love-interest-might-have-spurred-u-va-gang-rape-debacle/

 
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Maurile Tremblay said:
Lack of altruism wasn't Erdely's problem. Lack of accuracy was.
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He's done a ton of leg work and it was worthwhile reading through his tweets, but he seems every bit as agenda-driven as she was. Several times I read his comment, clicked the link and thought the document he linked to didn't really back up his comments.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
He's done a ton of leg work and it was worthwhile reading through his tweets, but he seems every bit as agenda-driven as she was. Several times I read his comment, clicked the link and thought the document he linked to didn't really back up his comments.
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I agree; his comments are pretty slanted. Some of the excerpts themselves are worth calling attention to, though.

 
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CletiusMaximus said:
He's done a ton of leg work and it was worthwhile reading through his tweets, but he seems every bit as agenda-driven as she was. Several times I read his comment, clicked the link and thought the document he linked to didn't really back up his comments.
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With the very significant that, at least in my limited reading, the target of his agenda is a reporter and publisher who were too stupid or too biased to sniff out a story this sounded like hokum from the get go. 

And is that idiot jackie's name still protected in the wide media?

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Apparently so. The name didn't ring a bell, but his webpage, linked to in his Twitter profile, says he's the coauthor of Until Proven Innocent.
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Thanks. He had a blog all throughout the Duke case, basically ripping it apart as it all unfolded. The book was an excellent read.

 
Article summarizing the recently released documents. It concludes that it's not hard to see why Erdely (the author of the Rolling Stone piece) was taken in by Jackie. Jackie was pretty convincing. But Erdely might have avoided the trap if she'd contacted Jackie's mom and certain of Jackie's friends herself to seek verification on certain points instead of taking Jackie's word for it that they wouldn't consent to being interviewed. She also could have insisted that Jackie provide the accused's name -- if not to seek comment from him, at least to Google him to confirm his existence. (The documents also reveal questionable choices by the fact-checker and by the editor, but this article focuses only on Erdely.)

 
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Maurile Tremblay said:
Article summarizing the recently released documents. It concludes that it's not hard to see why Erdely (the author of the Rolling Stone piece) was taken in by Jackie. Jackie was pretty convincing. But Erdely might have avoided the trap if she'd contacted Jackie's mom and certain of Jackie's friends herself to seek verification on certain points instead of taking Jackie's word for it that they wouldn't consent to being interviewed. She also could have insisted that Jackie provide the accused's name -- if not to seek comment from him, at least to Google him to confirm his existence. (The documents also reveal questionable choices by the fact-checker and by the editor, but this article focuses only on Erdely.)
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So basic reporting.

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
More specifically, the frat members' defamation case, right?  Eramo already won her defamation case. 
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Yes - the key ruling being the 2nd cir held the frat members could all sue under a "small group defamation" theory because the article could be read to claim every member of the frat was involved in the rape in some way, directly or indirectly.

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Really?  I've seen it several times just in cases I've participated in. 
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Really. Don't do a lot of appellate work though.  Obviously I've heard judges concede such when issuing an oral ruling, but I don't recall ever actually seeing it written in a published opinion. Just struck me a bit.  Of course, now I'll probably see it in like half of the next dozen opinions I read and feel like an idiot. 

 
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