Mrs. Sacamano
Footballguy
Chase Utley...but good luck getting him in round 16 or so....I guess you guys just don't like winning.Let's list all 2B who hit more than 26 HR last year....ready......GO!!!Ray DurhamHe's on my do not draft list.
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Mrs. Sacamano
Footballguy
Dan UgglaTalk about over-rated....Chase Utley...but good luck getting him in round 16 or so....I guess you guys just don't like winning.Let's list all 2B who hit more than 26 HR last year....ready......GO!!!Ray DurhamHe's on my do not draft list.
Gonzo Stokes
Footballguy
Some guys who I think are likely to outperform their average draft position.
Chris Young of the Diamondbacks hasn't had a great spring but can help you in four categories.
Ian Snell of the Pirates will be solid in strikeouts and his ratios, wins could hurt a little playing on a bad team.
Rich Hill of the Cubs may have 'turned the corner' the last two months of last year.
David Bush of the Brewers won't strike out as many as the two above, but will eat innings and doesn't walk anyone.
Gerald Laird of the Rangers gets to hit in whatever they're calling that ballpark this week.
If Matsuzaka comes out of the gate strong, the hype machine will boost his trade value into the 'can't lose either way' sphere.
As utility players at the end of the draft, either Aurilia or Wilson Betemit will be in your lineup more often than other picks at the end.
Chris Young of the Diamondbacks hasn't had a great spring but can help you in four categories.
Ian Snell of the Pirates will be solid in strikeouts and his ratios, wins could hurt a little playing on a bad team.
Rich Hill of the Cubs may have 'turned the corner' the last two months of last year.
David Bush of the Brewers won't strike out as many as the two above, but will eat innings and doesn't walk anyone.
Gerald Laird of the Rangers gets to hit in whatever they're calling that ballpark this week.
If Matsuzaka comes out of the gate strong, the hype machine will boost his trade value into the 'can't lose either way' sphere.
As utility players at the end of the draft, either Aurilia or Wilson Betemit will be in your lineup more often than other picks at the end.
Mrs. Sacamano
Footballguy
One more sleeper pick before Posty cries to the mods and i get whacked again...
Scott Hairston. I think Quentin's injury is more severe than we're lead to belive and I think Hairston plays his way into that lineup even after Quentin returns. Check out his OBP in the minors and tell me he's not ready to be a major league player. Had a 3 HR game yesterday too....though that was off Josh Fogg, so it really doesn't count.
Scott Hairston. I think Quentin's injury is more severe than we're lead to belive and I think Hairston plays his way into that lineup even after Quentin returns. Check out his OBP in the minors and tell me he's not ready to be a major league player. Had a 3 HR game yesterday too....though that was off Josh Fogg, so it really doesn't count.
Why would I do that? You have your opinion on a baseball player, and though it sucks, you are entitled to think what you want...
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
PleaseRay Durham had a fluke year last year. Unless he's sneaking HGH out of Bonds' equipment bag, its not going to happen. 36 year old 2Bs just don't turn into power hitting cleanup hitters. Couple that with the injury factor and you're setting yourself up for the fall.
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
Chase Utley...but good luck getting him in round 16 or so....I guess you guys just don't like winning.Let's list all 2B who hit more than 26 HR last year....ready......GO!!!Ray DurhamHe's on my do not draft list.
Mrs. Sacamano
Footballguy
Mrs. Sacamano
Footballguy
How are you confused, my love? Utley is a first round draft pick in fantasy. Durham is going in rounds 15 and up. There are only 3 guys who play 2B with 26HR ability. Utley, Durham and Uggla going off last years numbers. Of the two, Durham is the best value.Look, I don't care if people think he roided up last year, I really don't. Until he gets busted with a needle hanging out of his fanny, I don't give a tinker's dam. For those who don't think he's batting clean up for the Giants, you aren't very informed.Chase Utley...but good luck getting him in round 16 or so....I guess you guys just don't like winning.Let's list all 2B who hit more than 26 HR last year....ready......GO!!!He's on my do not draft list.
Ray Durham
Now, who knows more about baseball? You nerds or Bruce Bochy? Why would Bochy bat Durham cleanup if he thought he sucked as bad as you people do? Huh?Fantasy sports is not unlike the stock market. I will buy stocks if and only when everybody in the world hates them. Until then, I'll short the ones everybody over hypes. That's why I win. That's why I'm WINNNNING!!!! in life.
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
Confused because your post made no sense. Not sure what Utley has to do with Durham other than one has upside and the other has nothing but downside. If you think Utley is overhyped you are grossly mistaken.As far as Durham, I'll let the fantasy n00bs draft him this year.How are you confused, my love? Utley is a first round draft pick in fantasy. Durham is going in rounds 15 and up. There are only 3 guys who play 2B with 26HR ability. Utley, Durham and Uggla going off last years numbers. Of the two, Durham is the best value.Look, I don't care if people think he roided up last year, I really don't. Until he gets busted with a needle hanging out of his fanny, I don't give a tinker's dam. For those who don't think he's batting clean up for the Giants, you aren't very informed.Chase Utley...but good luck getting him in round 16 or so....I guess you guys just don't like winning.Let's list all 2B who hit more than 26 HR last year....ready......GO!!!He's on my do not draft list.
Ray Durham
Now, who knows more about baseball? You nerds or Bruce Bochy? Why would Bochy bat Durham cleanup if he thought he sucked as bad as you people do? Huh?Fantasy sports is not unlike the stock market. I will buy stocks if and only when everybody in the world hates them. Until then, I'll short the ones everybody over hypes. That's why I win. That's why I'm WINNNNING!!!! in life.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
Disagree. I have it on pretty good authority that he's struggling with injuries again. I would avoid him. Even if healthy, his ERA is going to be around 5. Pitching for a contender might net him 15 wins to go along with that 4.85 ERA (best case). Predicting more than 24 starts for him is a stretch too...
Mrs. Sacamano
Footballguy
Then you aren't very good at following the bouncing ball. I said:Confused because your post made no sense. Not sure what Utley has to do with Durham other than one has upside and the other has nothing but downside. If you think Utley is overhyped you are grossly mistaken.As far as Durham, I'll let the fantasy n00bs draft him this year.
Then I went out and named them. Utley, Uggla and Durham. With me so far? I'm not saying Utley is overhyped, but I just don't want to burn a first round pick on a 2B. I'd rather wait and take a guy like Durham later in the draft and get great power from an unexpected source. When I see news come across the tape that this guy, despite his age, inks a 2 year extension and moves into the juicy clean up role behind Bonds, I take notice. will he spend time on the DL? perhaps. that's why I try to draft more than one guy who can play 2B. but this game is about value and if Durham even gets to 80% of what he did last year, that's a great bargain for your 2B if you get him in the 15th or 16h round.Am I wrong?
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Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
What authority is that? I haven't read any mention of him struggling with injuries this spring. In fact the word from the Cardinals camp is he has looked outstanding this spring. He has produced ERAs around 3.50 with WHIPs around 1.30 in 2002 and 2003 with the Pirates.Disagree. I have it on pretty good authority that he's struggling with injuries again. I would avoid him. Even if healthy, his ERA is going to be around 5. Pitching for a contender might net him 15 wins to go along with that 4.85 ERA (best case). Predicting more than 24 starts for him is a stretch too...
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Tough As Nails
Glave Master
Never. EEEEEEEVVVVER.
bucs4life_99
Footballguy
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
What authority is that? I haven't read any mention of him struggling with injuries this spring. In fact the word from the Cardinals camp is he has looked outstanding this spring.Disagree. I have it on pretty good authority that he's struggling with injuries again. I would avoid him. Even if healthy, his ERA is going to be around 5. Pitching for a contender might net him 15 wins to go along with that 4.85 ERA (best case). Predicting more than 24 starts for him is a stretch too...
Good authority. 
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Been at a certain bar in Florida lately?What authority is that? I haven't read any mention of him struggling with injuries this spring. In fact the word from the Cardinals camp is he has looked outstanding this spring.Disagree. I have it on pretty good authority that he's struggling with injuries again. I would avoid him. Even if healthy, his ERA is going to be around 5. Pitching for a contender might net him 15 wins to go along with that 4.85 ERA (best case). Predicting more than 24 starts for him is a stretch too...
Mrs. Sacamano
Footballguy
Sleeping with a player's wife is no way to go through life, son.What authority is that? I haven't read any mention of him struggling with injuries this spring. In fact the word from the Cardinals camp is he has looked outstanding this spring.Disagree. I have it on pretty good authority that he's struggling with injuries again. I would avoid him. Even if healthy, his ERA is going to be around 5. Pitching for a contender might net him 15 wins to go along with that 4.85 ERA (best case). Predicting more than 24 starts for him is a stretch too...
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
No?Been at a certain bar in Florida lately?What authority is that? I haven't read any mention of him struggling with injuries this spring. In fact the word from the Cardinals camp is he has looked outstanding this spring.Disagree. I have it on pretty good authority that he's struggling with injuries again. I would avoid him. Even if healthy, his ERA is going to be around 5. Pitching for a contender might net him 15 wins to go along with that 4.85 ERA (best case). Predicting more than 24 starts for him is a stretch too...
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
Bob's wife is the H0t50rs.Sleeping with a player's wife is no way to go through life, son.What authority is that? I haven't read any mention of him struggling with injuries this spring. In fact the word from the Cardinals camp is he has looked outstanding this spring.Disagree. I have it on pretty good authority that he's struggling with injuries again. I would avoid him. Even if healthy, his ERA is going to be around 5. Pitching for a contender might net him 15 wins to go along with that 4.85 ERA (best case). Predicting more than 24 starts for him is a stretch too...
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
I just don't want to burn a first round pick on a 2B. Am I wrong?Confused because your post made no sense. Not sure what Utley has to do with Durham other than one has upside and the other has nothing but downside. If you think Utley is overhyped you are grossly mistaken.As far as Durham, I'll let the fantasy n00bs draft him this year.
I'll burn a first round pick on Utley every chance I get this year due to the fall off in 2B.Mrs. Sacamano
Footballguy
Then you must not like winning.I just don't want to burn a first round pick on a 2B. Am I wrong?Confused because your post made no sense. Not sure what Utley has to do with Durham other than one has upside and the other has nothing but downside. If you think Utley is overhyped you are grossly mistaken.As far as Durham, I'll let the fantasy n00bs draft him this year.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Thought you might have run into Tony a few days ago.No?Been at a certain bar in Florida lately?What authority is that? I haven't read any mention of him struggling with injuries this spring. In fact the word from the Cardinals camp is he has looked outstanding this spring.Disagree. I have it on pretty good authority that he's struggling with injuries again. I would avoid him. Even if healthy, his ERA is going to be around 5. Pitching for a contender might net him 15 wins to go along with that 4.85 ERA (best case). Predicting more than 24 starts for him is a stretch too...
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
1.01 - Flawed takes Chase Utley. Great pick. :thumbsup:
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
Actually, my track record is quite good.Then you must not like winning.I just don't want to burn a first round pick on a 2B. Am I wrong?Confused because your post made no sense. Not sure what Utley has to do with Durham other than one has upside and the other has nothing but downside. If you think Utley is overhyped you are grossly mistaken.As far as Durham, I'll let the fantasy n00bs draft him this year.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
This is all very confusing.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
How much weight do you give Spring training? He, Estrada and Iannetta are all hitting great; and much better than many of the higher ranked pitchers like Martin.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
1.03 - RAY DURHAM - WIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNGGGGGGG!!!!1.02 Kip Wells
Ianetta has a great chance of becoming the next Jayhawk Owens.
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
I like what Paulino has done this spring when you combine it with how he did last year. Catchers that hit for average are hard to find not to mention the huge upside he offers. Paulino will hit more HRs than Estrada and probably get more playing time than Iannetta. I've been passing on Martin and waiting a few more rounds to target Paulino.
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
They had these guys on the list, but one man's junk is another mans treasure.Garrett Anderson - perpetual decline (of course if you think he really is "finally healthy" it could be a risk worth taking)Anibel Sanchez - overrated due to no-hitter last year, still has control issues (obviously if he is lasting too long in drafts, he is not so overrated)
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
I took Martin next-to-last round and, seeing all my last choices for position players go right ahead of my pick (last of the draft), I just grabbed Estrada, (I wasn't sure at the time of Paulino's playing time). Don't know that I'll keep two catchers, but it's only ten teams and we have no hitting limits, so I'm in no rush. Part of me wants to drop Martin now for Paulino and part says I need to give Martin a chance.
Eat it. Ianetta is a STUD. Mark it down.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
C - Paulino: Great chance to hit .300 and will supply some power
1B - Travis Hafner: Now I know he's no sleeper, but at 1B people aren't what people are drafting him for. He's expected to play 1B about once a week. For leagues that have eligibility at 10 games or less, he's eligible there around mid June at the latest.
2B - Rickie Weeks: People seem to be passing on him and I'm not sure why. Has a great chance to go 20/30 this year
3B - Morgan Ensberg: Big bounce back year, especially if he hits 2nd in front of Berkman and C Lee. Numbers last year, outside of BA weren't really that bad.
SS - Bobby Crosby: Finally puts together a healthy season. Won't be MVP numbers that Harold Reynolds perdicted last year, but he could be top 10.
OF - Shane Victorino: Could swipe about 30-35 bags.
OF - Markakis: Has the tools to hit in the middle of that lineup. Should be 30/100 batting there
OF - Josh Hamilton: One of Griffey and Freel have to go down.
SP - John Danks: pcik
RP - Mike MacDougal: Bobby Jenks won't last the season in the closer role. MacDougal
1B - Travis Hafner: Now I know he's no sleeper, but at 1B people aren't what people are drafting him for. He's expected to play 1B about once a week. For leagues that have eligibility at 10 games or less, he's eligible there around mid June at the latest.
2B - Rickie Weeks: People seem to be passing on him and I'm not sure why. Has a great chance to go 20/30 this year
3B - Morgan Ensberg: Big bounce back year, especially if he hits 2nd in front of Berkman and C Lee. Numbers last year, outside of BA weren't really that bad.
SS - Bobby Crosby: Finally puts together a healthy season. Won't be MVP numbers that Harold Reynolds perdicted last year, but he could be top 10.
OF - Shane Victorino: Could swipe about 30-35 bags.
OF - Markakis: Has the tools to hit in the middle of that lineup. Should be 30/100 batting there
OF - Josh Hamilton: One of Griffey and Freel have to go down.
SP - John Danks:
pcikRP - Mike MacDougal: Bobby Jenks won't last the season in the closer role. MacDougal
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Sweet Jeebus, I married another lesbian?
Gonzo Stokes
Footballguy
I'd give Martin a chance. In a ten-team league, you have the benefit of very low penetration on catchers. I doubt many teams are going to carry two catchers long-term, and the teams with Mauer, McCann, Martinez, and Piazza probably won't ever bother to investigate other catchers. In the short-term, you could use the waiver wire to platoon tier 2 catchers with comparatively little risk. Filling your catcher at bats every day adds up.
Archie Bunker
Footballguy
I've had one draft already in a 9-team league and neither was drafted. Sanchez was #250 and Anderson #270 on Yahoo!'s default ranking. I think both could be considered late round fliers. Sanchez got roughed up in June & July but was consistently good in August & September.
Tough As Nails and Co.
Footballguy
Uh oh. Baaad news for Ray Durham owners.
"Projected opening day line-ups"
San Francisco Giants
No. Player Position
1. Dave Roberts CF
2. Omar Vizquel SS
3. Randy Winn RF
4. Barry Bonds LF
5. Rich Aurilia 1B
6. Ray Durham 2B
7. Pedro Feliz 3B
8. Bengie Molina
Randy Wiiiinnning = Late round STUD. If you can get both Durham AND Winn...you can pretty much cash your check before the season starts. Of course, that hinges on the fact that the Giants will be the highest scoring team in the league this season. But with a line-up full of studs like that, how could they not?
"Projected opening day line-ups"
San Francisco Giants
No. Player Position
1. Dave Roberts CF
2. Omar Vizquel SS
3. Randy Winn RF
4. Barry Bonds LF
5. Rich Aurilia 1B
6. Ray Durham 2B
7. Pedro Feliz 3B
8. Bengie Molina
Randy Wiiiinnning = Late round STUD. If you can get both Durham AND Winn...you can pretty much cash your check before the season starts. Of course, that hinges on the fact that the Giants will be the highest scoring team in the league this season. But with a line-up full of studs like that, how could they not?
Tough As Nails and Co.
Footballguy
NOT a Ray Durham alias.
Mrs. Sacamano
Footballguy
This is a load of rich creamery butter.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Thx, I am hoping no one does; in fact I prefer to not make a waiver move now and "help" people discover (who haven't already) platooning for extra ABs (we played at Yahoo last year, which has batter limits)I hadn't seen Martin's spring numbers when I drafted; they're not good. My only "rush" is that one guy (who seemed to grab everyone I wanted during the draft) still needs a catcher - imagine he's waiting til last minute to decide who to drop. This is the first year I have had a "regular" catcher. The 1st two years I had Inge and then Willingham who both played everyday, so never worried about platooning.
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
Yeah, guys like this could go either way... nothing wrong with them as late round fliers. Anderson wasnt drafted in my 12-team league. I have yet to see a sleeper list that didnt have Dave Bush's name on it. I assumed this meant he'd never slip to me and yet I ended up with him in both my leagues (cheap in my auction and late in my draft). You just never know.
Jim11
Footballguy
I'll be one of those "n00bs". I got Durham in the end game last year for $1...and I'm keeping him.Confused because your post made no sense. Not sure what Utley has to do with Durham other than one has upside and the other has nothing but downside. If you think Utley is overhyped you are grossly mistaken.As far as Durham, I'll let the fantasy n00bs draft him this year.How are you confused, my love? Utley is a first round draft pick in fantasy. Durham is going in rounds 15 and up. There are only 3 guys who play 2B with 26HR ability. Utley, Durham and Uggla going off last years numbers. Of the two, Durham is the best value.Look, I don't care if people think he roided up last year, I really don't. Until he gets busted with a needle hanging out of his fanny, I don't give a tinker's dam. For those who don't think he's batting clean up for the Giants, you aren't very informed.Chase Utley...but good luck getting him in round 16 or so....I guess you guys just don't like winning.Let's list all 2B who hit more than 26 HR last year....ready......GO!!!He's on my do not draft list.
Ray Durham
Now, who knows more about baseball? You nerds or Bruce Bochy? Why would Bochy bat Durham cleanup if he thought he sucked as bad as you people do? Huh?Fantasy sports is not unlike the stock market. I will buy stocks if and only when everybody in the world hates them. Until then, I'll short the ones everybody over hypes. That's why I win. That's why I'm WINNNNING!!!! in life.
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
Two words of advice to maximize that $1.....I'll be one of those "n00bs". I got Durham in the end game last year for $1...and I'm keeping him.Confused because your post made no sense. Not sure what Utley has to do with Durham other than one has upside and the other has nothing but downside. If you think Utley is overhyped you are grossly mistaken.How are you confused, my love? Utley is a first round draft pick in fantasy. Durham is going in rounds 15 and up. There are only 3 guys who play 2B with 26HR ability. Utley, Durham and Uggla going off last years numbers. Of the two, Durham is the best value.Chase Utley...I guess you guys just don't like winning.He's on my do not draft list.
Let's list all 2B who hit more than 26 HR last year....ready......GO!!!
Ray Durham
but good luck getting him in round 16 or so....
Look, I don't care if people think he roided up last year, I really don't. Until he gets busted with a needle hanging out of his fanny, I don't give a tinker's dam. For those who don't think he's batting clean up for the Giants, you aren't very informed.
Now, who knows more about baseball? You nerds or Bruce Bochy? Why would Bochy bat Durham cleanup if he thought he sucked as bad as you people do? Huh?
Fantasy sports is not unlike the stock market. I will buy stocks if and only when everybody in the world hates them. Until then, I'll short the ones everybody over hypes. That's why I win. That's why I'm WINNNNING!!!! in life.
As far as Durham, I'll let the fantasy n00bs draft him this year.
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