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Fantasy Football elitists that rip FF Index (1 Viewer)

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Here's something I don't understand. The Fantasy Football Index is arguably the most popular fantasy magazine out there. Like all other fantasy mags, hardcore fantasy football owners (and stuck-up elitists) rip on it for being outdated with awful advice, ridiculous predictions, and cheat sheets that are obsolete before they hit the newsstands.

To an extent, they're right. You have to look no further than their Sleepers/Busts column where they reach so far to try and fit one in each cat, they actually used Peyton Manning as the sleeper because they couldn't think of something else. And their decision to list Tatum Bell on the cover last year (and name him the #4 back overall) will live forever in "what were they thinking" infamy.

But have any of you that ripped apart the mag ever bothered to read the magazine? I'm not talking about the projections or the mock drafts or the expert polls. I mean the actually analysis of each team and every key player? Not only is this quality information, it's stuff that even the most hardcore fantasy fan couldn't tell you, at least w/o some serious research.

Some random examples from this issue:

"Jake Delhomme averages 228 passing yards per game over the last two years (about 10 yards more than the league average)...he's thrown 53 TDs in the last two years, No. 3 in the league behind Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Delhome has been very good in the red zone during that time span, throwing 37 TDs vs. only 1 interception."

"Only five teams ran for few yards than the Vikings last year, and only five have scored fewer rushing touchdowns the last two years."

"In Gruden's first three seasons in Tampa Bay, the Bucs had the most pass-heavy offenses in the league, scoring 74 touchdowns through the air and only 20 rushing - the No. 1 ratio in the league. But the Bucs scored on 13 TD runs last year versus only 17 TD passes, snapping a league-high string of six straight years for Gruden in which his offenses finished with at least 23 TD passes."

"Cleveland ranked next-to-last in short-yardage rushing last year, and (Reuben) Droughns went 0-for-4 on carries from the 1- or 2-yard line. Cleveland finished with a league-low 4 TD runs last year..."

"In 36 starts the last three years, (Domanick Davis) has averaged 84 yards rushing and 32 receiving, with 28 TDs. Only four backs have averaged more touchdowns in the same span, and only six have averaged more yards."

That's five examples I pulled by just flipping the pages and I haven't seen any of the "experts" and "know-it-alls" on fantasy message boards sharing information like this. And I'm as guilty as anybody! I always point and laugh at the guy toting copies of FF Index to live drafts. But once I actually bothered to read the content, I found information I didn't see online and would have taken forever if I compiled it myself.

I guess I'm trying to understand why there is such a disdain and disrespect for the amount of work the editors put together to compile stats you can't find in a typical cheat sheet and that many fantasy columnists and even pay services overlook. And I didn't even touch upon the most valuable service they offer: They print the individual stats of every key player from every regular season game so you can see how they performed against certain opponents and ignore inflated player totals that were padded by Week 17 stats.

So what's the reason? Is it the in thing to bust on FF Index (or similar publications)? Do those that make fun of it worry that it will effect their "rep" in the fantasy football community? If you ignore the predictions and depth charts, isn't it possible that we underestimate its value as a legitimate fantasy football resource and more than just good toilet reading?

I hope this will turn into a serious discussion and not a flame war.

 
Its the only mag I buy every year. You obviously have to tweek any cheatsheet you use from this mag leading up to the draft. But Ian is extremely analytical, and quite frankly, his commentary is an enjoyable read.

(and PS, he listed Peyton as a sleeper because he will be much more value than his ADP merits. According to him ,Peyton should be the 6-8 overall pick in every type of draft)

 
And their decision to list Tatum Bell on the cover last year (and name him the #4 back overall) will live forever in "what were they thinking" infamy.
Their Rod Smith ranking the previous year was a swell move. I'm not judging. I've been very wrong on some picks as well. I just think the Smith ranking was more egregious than Bell.
 
Its the only mag I buy every year. You obviously have to tweek any cheatsheet you use from this mag leading up to the draft. But Ian is extremely analytical, and quite frankly, his commentary is an enjoyable read. (and PS, he listed Peyton as a sleeper because he will be much more value than his ADP merits. According to him ,Peyton should be the 6-8 overall pick in every type of draft)
Yep. I buy it, too.I ignore their cheatsheets.I like the team breakdowns, showing what the receivers did last year, totals, and game by game, and they have fantastic charts in the back, charting what teams do in the red zone, which backs succeeded there, etc. Also, good stuff in their expert rankings section.I usually skim their positional rankings, tear out the team schedules, load up the DD on the laptop, and I'm good. :pics:
 
These guys put fantasy football on the map. Great story in this year's Index about how Ian Allen started FFI as a college project. Pretty nice idea. The negatives: they still seem to be a Mom & Pop shop while the industry has grown. They charge alot of money for very little in-season product.

 
Seems like many of you actually get what I'm saying: The actual content and player analysis is rock solid and useful for individual research.

The others are still focusing on the stuff I said outright was awful: their predictions, projections, and rankings. That's not the issue here.

Re: Manning as a sleeper - I don't care if he outproduces his ADP. It's ridiculous to refer to him as a sleeper in any way, shape, or form. Use Rhodes, Stokley, hell, even Wayne. But saying Manning is a "sleeper pick for the Colts" is like saying Shaun Alexander scored a few touchdowns the past few years.

 
Re: Manning as a sleeper - I don't care if he outproduces his ADP. It's ridiculous to refer to him as a sleeper in any way, shape, or form. Use Rhodes, Stokley, hell, even Wayne. But saying Manning is a "sleeper pick for the Colts" is like saying Shaun Alexander scored a few touchdowns the past few years.
YOu touch on the problem here -- it's really easy to point at crap like that and yell 'moron'. It makes you wonder what the heck is going on and whether the rest of the mag is worthwhile.Personally I don't follow the mags much at all - they are so woefully out of date by press time. But as was said, some of the player reviews, schedules and stuff liek that is solid.I just can find it elsewhere for free - or for less when pro-rated over the course of a season like with FBGs.
 
I buy it, they go into a lot depth on some obscure but impotant things. Probably my favorite Mag, but Pro Forecast is a close second. I still buy about 8 mags a year.

 
And their decision to list Tatum Bell on the cover last year (and name him the #4 back overall) will live forever in "what were they thinking" infamy.
Their Rod Smith ranking the previous year was a swell move. I'm not judging. I've been very wrong on some picks as well. I just think the Smith ranking was more egregious than Bell.
Where did they rank Rod Smith?
I believe it was the 4th receiver overall in '04.Again, their rankings are utter garbage. I don't think anyone in this thread is disputing it.
 
I read their magazine every year. They do have great snippets on players and I love the magazine as a whole as just something to read over in preparation of the season.

Outside of ours (I am biased), I would say it's the best magazine out there by a wide margin. I personally like ours better because we focus a lot of attention on strategy, deep rankings, sleeper/bust candidates, etc. The Index focuses a lot more attention on the players themselves. We elect to do that on the website on the player pages and team reports.

 
I read their magazine every year. They do have great snippets on players and I love the magazine as a whole as just something to read over in preparation of the season.Outside of ours (I am biased), I would say it's the best magazine out there by a wide margin. I personally like ours better because we focus a lot of attention on strategy, deep rankings, sleeper/bust candidates, etc. The Index focuses a lot more attention on the players themselves. We elect to do that on the website on the player pages and team reports.
I agree with Dodds in that I think FBG's content has surpassed Index's in terms of advanced content. Actually, nobody is even close to FBG's magazine for advanced content.
 
And their decision to list Tatum Bell on the cover last year (and name him the #4 back overall) will live forever in "what were they thinking" infamy.
Their Rod Smith ranking the previous year was a swell move. I'm not judging. I've been very wrong on some picks as well. I just think the Smith ranking was more egregious than Bell.
They also had Chad Johnson listed as a bust during Carson Palmer's first year as a starter, 2004, going as far as to say his numbers will slide, bla bla bla..he wound up with better numbers in 2004 than in 2003..but they made it seem like he was going to be a #15 WR, not a top 5 WR..again in 2004, he went over the top with S. Moss, ranking him at WR #3, despite the warning signs that the upcoming 2004 season might not be so rosey ( Moss' stats slipped tremendously in the second half of 2003 - always a bad trend for the next season)..many other fantasy mags were lukewarm on Moss in 2004, not Fantasy Index! they were bullish on him, ranking him at WR #3.. and he wound up catching just 45 balls..I like the mag, don't get me wrong...but the Rod Smith, Tatum Bell, Chad Johnson, S. Moss debacles are a joke..I give them credit for not being like other mags, i.e., giving us watered down predictions..they go out on a limb at times..too far out, sometimes.. :lmao: I think Fi's strengths are in the deep sleepers and no-name players they recommend..they seem to have a knack for finding those diamonds in the rough..
 
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I buy magazines for the analysis of players and not rankings. I care more about the why they ranked Tatum Bell #4 versus the fact they did. It is the same even on this board. When I question someone about a ranking i am looking for them to give the reasons why. If a get a good enough reason I adjust my thought on a player.

 

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