HarddTimezz
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"Trotting" a player out there is a bit ridiculous
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Maybe my favorite. Some "expert" on Yahoo is going to tell me how to draft my team. If he was a real "expert" , he wouldn't be working for Yahoo.
grateful zed
Footballguy
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
I guess I was basing my comment on nothing....but I don’t know anyone personally who plays best ball and it seems like it’s only analysts who talk about it around MFL10 time. Even if plenty of people do play it, would you agree that it’s a fairly minor chunk of the fantasy league pie? If so then my comment about the value of that analysis is still valid.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
It's all good we're only yapping about cliches and phrases. But bestball is growing really fast. And to the point, I just drafted Tarik Cohen in the 6th in a bestball. A perfect example of a player that is better for that format.
I play a fair amount of FFPC and the FBG championship series. The satellites to get in are bestballs, and the consolation prizes for the larger leagues are often the $35 bestball satellite tickets. DRAFT is mostly bestball. The MFL10 platform has grown dramatically and they offer quite a lot more than just $10 entries. I am also in one dynasty league that is bestball but that's just one isolated example.
Anyway no biggie but yeah I analyze between one format and the other all the time and I admittedly do use that phrase a lot.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
cloppbeast
Footballguy
[Player x] will fill the [Player y] role in the offense.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I get a little tired of the term “bust” when people mean “underperforming”, small sample size, or when circumstances out of a player’s control are present.
I’m not saying there’s no such thing as a bust. But a top player getting hurt doesn’t make him a “bust”, just a pick that didn’t work out for you.
Or it’s possible that you had higher expectations for a player than were realistic.
The butt hurt is strong in the FF community & i think “bust” is too often interchanged with “a player I got burned by last year”.
I remember when for years the consensus belief was that WRs took 3 years to develop. Now we have more pro-style offenses in the college game so we’ve seen a lot more rookie WRs become immediate impact players, but that doesn’t mean it’s not still a difficult position, and playing against NFL-caliber DBs is hard.
As a result, young WRs are often labeled “busts” prematurely.
QBs as well - look at how good Rosen looks on a terrible Miami team. Or Matt’ Barkley, who’s been plying lights out this preseason.
So “experts” are guilty of this as well.
I’m not saying there’s no such thing as a bust. But a top player getting hurt doesn’t make him a “bust”, just a pick that didn’t work out for you.
Or it’s possible that you had higher expectations for a player than were realistic.
The butt hurt is strong in the FF community & i think “bust” is too often interchanged with “a player I got burned by last year”.
I remember when for years the consensus belief was that WRs took 3 years to develop. Now we have more pro-style offenses in the college game so we’ve seen a lot more rookie WRs become immediate impact players, but that doesn’t mean it’s not still a difficult position, and playing against NFL-caliber DBs is hard.
As a result, young WRs are often labeled “busts” prematurely.
QBs as well - look at how good Rosen looks on a terrible Miami team. Or Matt’ Barkley, who’s been plying lights out this preseason.
So “experts” are guilty of this as well.
-X-
Footballguy
Guilty! Sorry, but there was just no other way to describe Cohen’s usage in the Monty thread, even if it’s not truly identical.
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cloppbeast
Footballguy
cloppbeast
Footballguy
cloppbeast
Footballguy
PigSkinMan
Footballguy
“Flex option” by far
Such a broad/safe statement to make.
Such a broad/safe statement to make.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hey! Small sample size is a thing!
It is not a cliche.
For evaluation where statistical analysis is used, the size of the sample being evaluated is key to determining the validity of the result.
It’s precisely why I used it in my post.
It is not a cliche.
For evaluation where statistical analysis is used, the size of the sample being evaluated is key to determining the validity of the result.
It’s precisely why I used it in my post.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
cloppbeast
Footballguy
But it is cliche to the extent it's used on these forums. Nobody is using the student's t distribution to test significance around here, so we don't know the real importance of any sample size. It's just something we say.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh come on - if we’re discussing a RB who’s had 60 carries in his career & we say it’s a small sample size it’s absolutley being used in the proper context, and we absolutely know the real importance of it.
Someone will make a blanket statement about that RB like, “what a bust! He had 2.4 YPC his rookie season!”
among other possible flaws with a statement like that (OL play, situational usage, injury, etc) is sample size.
I don’t see it used inappropriately very often, but I won’t tell you what you’ve experienced.
On the other hand, we do get told at cliche-worthy levels that “the QB is the only player who touches the ball on every play.” Which cliche could be happily done away with, imo.
This did remind me with great amusement of the time we actually had a QBBC in the NFL. Any old-timers remember who and when?
Play in some deeper leagues. My primary league is a 12-teamer that starts 4 WRs plus a possible flex. I’ve also got an 8-teamer starting 6 WRs.
Unless, of course, we are talking about Michael Gallup. Then it’s off to the races with this cliche!
If any RBs do this and "add 10 pounds of muscle" in the offseason, they auto-rise to the top of my draft board so I can get as many shares as possible while fading the weaker non pass-catching RBs busts-to-be.
socrates
Footballguy
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Not sure it’s a fantasy cliche ... actually it’s not!
but...
john Gruden’s “Knock on wood if you’re with me, man” is ####ing so gwop damned annoying.
but...
john Gruden’s “Knock on wood if you’re with me, man” is ####ing so gwop damned annoying.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
So if I said, “I see some white flakes on that player’s jersey - he could really use some Head & Shoulders for that dandruff” that would bother you?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Oh so you think it's all about the defense?So if I said, “I see some white flakes on that player’s jersey - he could really use some Head & Shoulders for that dandruff” that would bother you?
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
I also believe it’s the defense, but I’ve heard the case for “it’s offense”
... weak case for the offensive team, imo
Ilov80s
Footballguy
"regression" , "my model says" , "target projection"
If football had anything to do with math Mike "Da Grassi" Tyson would have 5000 yards rushing. The only place math has in the National Football League is 4-3 vs 3-4, 3rd down, 2 minute warning, 1st and goal.
If football had anything to do with math Mike "Da Grassi" Tyson would have 5000 yards rushing. The only place math has in the National Football League is 4-3 vs 3-4, 3rd down, 2 minute warning, 1st and goal.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Snorkelson
Footballguy
GOAT
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Hey man, at least I look for the ones where they show every play, not just the highlight reel (unless that’s all I can find, in which case that guy looks awesome!)
For TEs (esp rookies): “needs to improve his blocking”. Said by people who have no idea about blocking. It’s just a safe thing to say to make you sound smart since none of your audience has any idea either!
Needing to “improve in pass protection” is the RB version of this...
And of course any references to a bad o-line....again, most people aren’t able to truly assess that....but 90% of the o-lines are bad, or shaky or lack depth so you can’t go wrong!
Needing to “improve in pass protection” is the RB version of this...
And of course any references to a bad o-line....again, most people aren’t able to truly assess that....but 90% of the o-lines are bad, or shaky or lack depth so you can’t go wrong!
Yes, one of the reasons I want to retire the cliche is it's wrong.
Discounts wildcat plays and special teams snaps too. Nobody drafts OL and LS in fantasy anymore.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Football Jones' mysterious formula for evaluating rbs
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ben & Jerry's
Footballguy
I'm also getting tired of hearing about "analytics."
I am willing to allow Cynthia Frelund a chance to change my mind however.
I am willing to allow Cynthia Frelund a chance to change my mind however.
Riffraff
Footballguy
Always ironic when a random nobody that isn’t a top 100 guy in their own chosen profession is calling a guy that is actually in the top 100 of their profession “just a guy”.
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Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Another phrase that's prevalent with sports in general and a term I seriously LOATHE is: "To a man".
GTFOH with that nonsense.
GTFOH with that nonsense.
joey
Footballguy
Even worse is "what the heck flex". I’ve been a satisfied FBG customer for a million years, but when I read that in their newsletter comments, it makes my eyes roll. Jeez, 80% of all NFL players are what the heck flex plays.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Not to judge, but if I’m paying for premium content I want a “feel confident with this flex” guy, not a “what the heck flex.”
rockaction
Footballguy
That's always bothered me, but I guess it functions as shorthand for average. I dunno...never thought using it was too appropriate, but when in Rome...
