Farve Reinstated; expected to report Monday (1 Viewer)

[AhrnCityPahnder]

It is all Brett Favre's fault.

/thread

 

[gump]

And by the way he is not a legend

This shows how emotional this is getting for some...

 

[Chachi]

And by the way he is not a legend

This shows how emotional this is getting for some...

Yup, this is sad.

 

[Phurfur]

And by the way he is not a legend

This shows how emotional this is getting for some...

Yup, this is sad.

Actually I hold my "legends" to a little higher standard than some of you do.

 

[Jon_Moore]

I think the Packers have been completely stupid through this whole process. It seems like for the last 5 or 6 seasons, people have been crying out, what will the Packers do at QB when Favre retires. The Packers wanted to have a good option once Favre was gone. They finally spent a 1st round pick on one, and ended up making him wait probably longer than they would have liked. Favre didn't retire as early as they though, but you can't just bench one of the best QBs to play. So, finally, he gives them a break and walks. They finally make Rodgers "The Man." They don't want to do anything to hurt the kids psyche, and who can blame them, pretty decent investment. So, when Favre says he wants to come back, they fight it, because they don't want anything hurting Rodgers confidence, and eventually his career. Seems like it makes sense...

Truth is, most QBs following a great QB aren't going to live up to expectations, it just can't happen. Brett Favre is Brett Favre, and Rodger simply is not, and is not going to be. They were one bad throw away from being in the SuperBowl just 7 or 8 months ago. The window for being able to contend for a championship is so short for most teams these days. Why in the world would you NOT put your best QB on the field and try to win? It's cute they want to do right by Rodgers after giving them their word that he's their guy, but if I'm an owner, Winning is my guy, and whoever helps me do that is my Quarterback.

That said, I hope they Trade him to Minnesota, and lose the division to the Vikings, to watch the Vikings go on to play in the Superbowl.

 

[North]

I honestly don't understand all of the Packers/TT hate in here. While the bribe was pretty stupid, Favre has put the organization in an absolute no-wi situation.

For those saying "trade him": TO WHO!? No team with a solid QB is going to pay what Favre is worth. Favre won't accept a trade except to a contender, and how many contenders lack a solid QB? Only one, and everyone involved knows it, the Vikings....the one team the organiozation can't afford to trade him to.

For those in the play him camp: Even if Favre performs better then Rogers (a fair assumption), it still might set them back years as they very well could lose Rogers over this, not to mention the wasted pick in this years draft.

For those saying release him (now): We all know he'd be in Minnesotta by the end of the day. This is obviously un-acceptable for a team who believes they are a contender since it obviously provides their biggest rival a significant upgrade at QB.

What's left?

Shame on all of you who are calling out the Packers for how "they are treating a legend". They paid that legend MANY TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OVER THE LAST 18 years. That legend was happy to sign long term for big money, essentially promising to never play elsewhere. That legend insisted he was retired 7 months ago when the Packers practically begged him to return, before they committed elsewhere. And it's that legend who's pooping all over the organization by refusing to accept legitimate trade offers now.

If Favre wants to play this badly, he should be grateful for any trade that keeps his current contract good. He should accept the Jets.

If I were TT, I would bench his ###, and release him mid-season after all of this. Why? Because I'm screwed anyway, so I might as well screw the guy back.

I once loved Brett Favre....not anymore.

Would be hysterical if that happened and then the next week Rodgers went down with a season ending injury! A lot of you guys on here are too emotional and have lost site of the fact that this is a business. These statements like cut him mid-season or wait until the season starts and cut him are driven by emotions and are not what's best for the team. What is really in the best interest of the Packers THIS season? This is a win now league and who gives you the best option to win now?

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I seen a roundtable of HOF legends talking, the question was posed "Who is a bigger legend, Lombardi or Favre", all 5 said Favre.

But what the heck, they are just HOF NFL players, they are not the almighty Phurfur, message board poster at FBG!!!

This is laughable.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

And by the way he is not a legend

This shows how emotional this is getting for some...

Yup, this is sad.

Actually I hold my "legends" to a little higher standard than some of you do.

Nice save attempt

 

[ConstruxBoy]

All joking aside, if the guy really wants to go the franchise that was on the losing end of the Herschel Walker trade, then either sit him on the bench or make the Vikings pay a king's ransom. That's helping your team. Ask for a 2009 2nd, 4th and a 2010 1st if they make the playoffs this year. Then release that offer to the media and call Goodell and tell him you made a fair deal for a legend. Maybe he'll put the screws to the Vikings.

 

[David Dodds]

Everyone assumes the Packers are going to release Brett Favre as the season approaches, but I doubt that's the case at all. The team was willing to pay him $20-25 Million to stay retired. So why would they not be willing to pay him $12M as a nice insurance policy to an unproven Aaron Rodgers?

I think the Packers rank the alternatives as follows:

1. Trade to an AFC team like the Jets

2. Sign the bribe

3. Stay with the Packers as the backup

4. Release to save the $12 Million

I think you are going to see Brett come in and be the backup QB. The Packers have been grooming Rodgers for this time for awhile now and it was Rodgers that went through OTAs, etc to be the #1 guy now. If Brett competes on the field (without adding to the distraction) , it's very possible Brett overtakes Rodgers in camp. But they are not going to hand him that job. They are also not going to fret over his consecutive games streak, etc. If Brett just wants to play football, they have a trade ready for the Jets. If Brett wants to start for the Packers, he has put himself in a position that he must earn his playing time. That can happen with an injury, Rodgers struggling in camp or games, etc.

 

[Chachi]

And by the way he is not a legend

This shows how emotional this is getting for some...

Yup, this is sad.

Actually I hold my "legends" to a little higher standard than some of you do.

Nice save attempt

key word in bold

 

[Phurfur]

And by the way he is not a legend

This shows how emotional this is getting for some...

Yup, this is sad.

Actually I hold my "legends" to a little higher standard than some of you do.

Nice save attempt

Is this your idea of a "legend"?http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...&id=3281535

We interrupt the continued deification of Brett Favre -- a first-ballot Hall of Famer and the most durable player in NFL history -- with the following reality check.

Yes, Favre played long enough to throw the most touchdown passes and collect the most wins by an NFL quarterback. But let's examine the second half of No. 4's career. The truth is, Favre did little over the past decade to earn the gushing praise heaped upon him by our fawning brethren in the media.

Best-Ever Debate

In his 17 seasons, Brett Favre set numerous NFL records, including most yards passing (61,655) and most touchdowns (442).

But do those numbers, combined with Favre's three MVP awards and one Super Bowl victory, put him among the top 10 quarterbacks of all time?

Recently, ESPN.com's Mike Sando and Football Outsiders' Aaron Schatz examined the best-ever debate.

• Sando | Football Outsiders

After beating the San Francisco 49ers in the 1997 NFC Championship Game, Favre won just three of his last 10 playoff games. Eli Manning had more postseason wins in a 29-day span this past season than Favre had in his last decade with the Green Bay Packers.

Yes, Favre won a Super Bowl -- 11 years ago! But as his career arc spiraled downward, the blind adulation only got worse.

Favre's passer rating in his last 12 postseason games was a pedestrian 77.8. In his last five wild-card games, he went 2-3 with more interceptions (nine) than touchdown passes (seven). In his last three divisional playoff games, he went 1-2 with seven TDs and seven interceptions. That's a 3-5 record with 14 touchdown passes and 16 picks.

In two of his last four postseason appearances, Favre threw two of the most unthinkable playoff interceptions in NFL history, both in overtime -- to Brian Dawkins of the Philadelphia Eagles in 2003 and to Corey Webster of the New York Giants in January. In fact, Favre is the only quarterback in NFL history to throw overtime interceptions in two playoff games. In his last nine playoff games, Favre threw 18 interceptions.

[+] EnlargeMalcolm Emmons/US Presswire

Brett Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Fellow Packer star quarterback Bart Starr, above, was 9-1.

In the first 81 years of the Green Bay franchise, the most hallowed in all of pro football, the Packers were 13-0 at home in the postseason. But since 2002, the Packers have gone 2-3 in playoff games at Lambeau Field, with Favre losing to three not-quite Hall of Fame quarterbacks: Michael Vick, Daunte Culpepper and Manning.

If Manning had a decade like that, he'd be run out of New York. If Philip Rivers kept chucking ridiculous overtime interceptions in the postseason, he would be branded a first-round bust. If Drew Brees came up short in three out of five home playoff games, he'd be mocked.

But no matter how many dumb passes he threw and how many playoff games he lost, Favre remains immune to criticism.

Favre isn't even the greatest quarterback in the history of the Packers. It's not even close. Bart Starr won five NFL championships -- four more than Favre -- and retired as the NFL's most accurate passer.

Oh, you say Starr was surrounded by a Hall of Fame roster with a legendary coach. But Starr still is the NFL record holder with a 104.8 career playoff passer rating, nearly 20 points higher than Favre's. That wasn't Vince Lombardi or Ray Nitschke throwing those passes for Starr, whose career postseason passer rating, by the way, is 38 points higher than Johnny Unitas'.

Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Starr's was 9-1 -- without the benefit of wild-card games. Favre threw 28 interceptions in 22 playoff games. Starr threw three in 10. Think about that -- just three picks in 213 postseason attempts.

But Bart Starr gets the Ringo Starr treatment -- underappreciated and overlooked. Favre gets put on a pedestal. Yes, he had a Pro Bowl season in 2007 with the youngest roster in the NFL. But his final moment on Lambeau Field was a wildly errant pass that turned into the NFC title for the Giants.

Indeed, a decade after his last moments of glory, the football hype machine continues to paint Favre as a hallowed icon of Americana, a symbol of all that is right with sports, a Wild West gun-slinging good ol' boy. There's Brett on the farm! There's Brett with his family! There's Brett on the cover of Sports Illustrated! There's Brett throwing another overtime interception!

Favre was among the best in the game, once upon a time. Those days are long gone. Only the idolatry remains.

 

[sholditch]

Rotoworld claims: "Favre plans to fly to Green Bay on Sunday and report to camp. The latest rumor is that the Packers plan to let Favre do only individual work in camp and release him the day before the season starts. At that point, he'll be so far behind that he won't be able to help a team like the Vikings early in the season."

That would be the biggest chicken ##### move by the Packers.

Yup. It's gutless. If Favre reports, let him compete. Thompson shouldn't be afraid of competition that could (and almost certainly would) make the team better. I simply cannot understand what the hell he is doing here. It doesn't make a lick of sense.

For either of you - I don't understand why it's gutless. Farve has been trying to leverage a power play since this thing started - and the funny thing is he has no power.

It's gutless because it looks like the Packers are scared of competition. They look like they're afraid the guy they've been backing (Rodgers) can't handle the competition and they look like they're afraid a 38-year-old with no offseason practice and who's been working out with high school kids can walk in off the street and beat out the guy they're so confident should be the starter. I think it's gutless. It's one thing to want to move on; it's another to flat out reject the idea of competition that will make the team better. The Packers continue to treat this like it's some foreign concept in the NFL. But teams every year since the league was formed have had competition for starting jobs. I cannot understand what makes Aaron Rodgers so damn special he's above it all.

It's gotten to the point where the Packers are not acting like a team but a pissed-off significant other. Honestly, I have never seen a team that was one play from the superbowl be so eager to go into full-blown rebuilding mode. I mean, does anyone, Packers management and Mccarthy included, honestly believe that Aaron Rodgers gives them a better chance to win? Can anyone out there make any kind of argument that their record this year will be better with Rodgers at QB instead of Favre? I get that they want to "move on" but at this point it's like they are more concerned about Rodgers than they are about the state of the franchise.

 

[renesauz]

Would be hysterical if that happened and then the next week Rodgers went down with a season ending injury! A lot of you guys on here are too emotional and have lost site of the fact that this is a business. These statements like cut him mid-season or wait until the season starts and cut him are driven by emotions and are not what's best for the team. What is really in the best interest of the Packers THIS season? This is a win now league and who gives you the best option to win now?

Football isn't baseball...you can't completely sacrifice the future to "win now". That era died when the salary cap came into play. I realize that this isn't really a cap issue, but "win now at any cost" is not a recipe for long-term success.

You are correct though, my statement about releasing him mid-season is definately based on emotion. The truth is that I can see no good resolution for TT without some help from Favre. If they play Favre, they HAVE to make it to the SB to justify Favre's position. If they release Favre, Rodgers will have to at least lead them to the playoffs to justify TT's faith in him. They'd love to trade him, but there is no way that can happen unless Brett is willing to go to a weaker team.

In other words, no matter what TT does, he's probably screwed. Which gamble does he take?

A lot of guys are screaming how the Pack should be loyal to the legend because of all he's done for them, but the reverse is true too. They paid Favre a ton of money, and they deserve his loyalty too. As it stands, the only options Favre is giving them is "I play start for you, or for the Vikes." What kind of loyalty is that!?

 

[Phurfur]

Rotoworld claims: "Favre plans to fly to Green Bay on Sunday and report to camp. The latest rumor is that the Packers plan to let Favre do only individual work in camp and release him the day before the season starts. At that point, he'll be so far behind that he won't be able to help a team like the Vikings early in the season."

That would be the biggest chicken ##### move by the Packers.

Yup. It's gutless. If Favre reports, let him compete. Thompson shouldn't be afraid of competition that could (and almost certainly would) make the team better. I simply cannot understand what the hell he is doing here. It doesn't make a lick of sense.

For either of you - I don't understand why it's gutless. Farve has been trying to leverage a power play since this thing started - and the funny thing is he has no power.

It's gutless because it looks like the Packers are scared of competition. They look like they're afraid the guy they've been backing (Rodgers) can't handle the competition and they look like they're afraid a 38-year-old with no offseason practice and who's been working out with high school kids can walk in off the street and beat out the guy they're so confident should be the starter. I think it's gutless. It's one thing to want to move on; it's another to flat out reject the idea of competition that will make the team better. The Packers continue to treat this like it's some foreign concept in the NFL. But teams every year since the league was formed have had competition for starting jobs. I cannot understand what makes Aaron Rodgers so damn special he's above it all.

It's gotten to the point where the Packers are not acting like a team but a pissed-off significant other. Honestly, I have never seen a team that was one play from the superbowl be so eager to go into full-blown rebuilding mode. I mean, does anyone, Packers management and Mccarthy included, honestly believe that Aaron Rodgers gives them a better chance to win? Can anyone out there make any kind of argument that their record this year will be better with Rodgers at QB instead of Favre? I get that they want to "move on" but at this point it's like they are more concerned about Rodgers than they are about the state of the franchise.

Please read post #112.

 

[cstu]

Is spelling his name "Farve" just schtick?

 

[North]

Would be hysterical if that happened and then the next week Rodgers went down with a season ending injury! A lot of you guys on here are too emotional and have lost site of the fact that this is a business. These statements like cut him mid-season or wait until the season starts and cut him are driven by emotions and are not what's best for the team. What is really in the best interest of the Packers THIS season? This is a win now league and who gives you the best option to win now?

Football isn't baseball...you can't completely sacrifice the future to "win now". That era died when the salary cap came into play. I realize that this isn't really a cap issue, but "win now at any cost" is not a recipe for long-term success.

You are correct though, my statement about releasing him mid-season is definately based on emotion. The truth is that I can see no good resolution for TT without some help from Favre. If they play Favre, they HAVE to make it to the SB to justify Favre's position. If they release Favre, Rodgers will have to at least lead them to the playoffs to justify TT's faith in him. They'd love to trade him, but there is no way that can happen unless Brett is willing to go to a weaker team.

In other words, no matter what TT does, he's probably screwed. Which gamble does he take?

A lot of guys are screaming how the Pack should be loyal to the legend because of all he's done for them, but the reverse is true too. They paid Favre a ton of money, and they deserve his loyalty too. As it stands, the only options Favre is giving them is "I play start for you, or for the Vikes." What kind of loyalty is that!?

I agree, they can't give him the job but it wouldn't hurt anyone to let him compete and if he outplays Rodgers then you give it to the best player NOW, not who you drafted to be the incumbent to Favre just because he's been waiting for years. Thats what I mean by win now, they have him on the roster and they were willing to pay him more to stay away. If you're willing to pay him, let him earn his money, thats all I'm saying.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Rotoworld claims: "Favre plans to fly to Green Bay on Sunday and report to camp. The latest rumor is that the Packers plan to let Favre do only individual work in camp and release him the day before the season starts. At that point, he'll be so far behind that he won't be able to help a team like the Vikings early in the season."

That would be the biggest chicken ##### move by the Packers.

Yup. It's gutless. If Favre reports, let him compete. Thompson shouldn't be afraid of competition that could (and almost certainly would) make the team better. I simply cannot understand what the hell he is doing here. It doesn't make a lick of sense.

For either of you - I don't understand why it's gutless. Farve has been trying to leverage a power play since this thing started - and the funny thing is he has no power.

It's gutless because it looks like the Packers are scared of competition. They look like they're afraid the guy they've been backing (Rodgers) can't handle the competition and they look like they're afraid a 38-year-old with no offseason practice and who's been working out with high school kids can walk in off the street and beat out the guy they're so confident should be the starter. I think it's gutless. It's one thing to want to move on; it's another to flat out reject the idea of competition that will make the team better. The Packers continue to treat this like it's some foreign concept in the NFL. But teams every year since the league was formed have had competition for starting jobs. I cannot understand what makes Aaron Rodgers so damn special he's above it all.

It's gotten to the point where the Packers are not acting like a team but a pissed-off significant other. Honestly, I have never seen a team that was one play from the superbowl be so eager to go into full-blown rebuilding mode. I mean, does anyone, Packers management and Mccarthy included, honestly believe that Aaron Rodgers gives them a better chance to win? Can anyone out there make any kind of argument that their record this year will be better with Rodgers at QB instead of Favre? I get that they want to "move on" but at this point it's like they are more concerned about Rodgers than they are about the state of the franchise.

Once Rodgers has one year under his belt I bet 90% of you will say Rodgers is the better QB at that moment in their careers, and you I would probably agree with you.

 

[renesauz]

Would be hysterical if that happened and then the next week Rodgers went down with a season ending injury! A lot of you guys on here are too emotional and have lost site of the fact that this is a business. These statements like cut him mid-season or wait until the season starts and cut him are driven by emotions and are not what's best for the team. What is really in the best interest of the Packers THIS season? This is a win now league and who gives you the best option to win now?

Football isn't baseball...you can't completely sacrifice the future to "win now". That era died when the salary cap came into play. I realize that this isn't really a cap issue, but "win now at any cost" is not a recipe for long-term success.

You are correct though, my statement about releasing him mid-season is definately based on emotion. The truth is that I can see no good resolution for TT without some help from Favre. If they play Favre, they HAVE to make it to the SB to justify Favre's position. If they release Favre, Rodgers will have to at least lead them to the playoffs to justify TT's faith in him. They'd love to trade him, but there is no way that can happen unless Brett is willing to go to a weaker team.

In other words, no matter what TT does, he's probably screwed. Which gamble does he take?

A lot of guys are screaming how the Pack should be loyal to the legend because of all he's done for them, but the reverse is true too. They paid Favre a ton of money, and they deserve his loyalty too. As it stands, the only options Favre is giving them is "I play start for you, or for the Vikes." What kind of loyalty is that!?

I agree, they can't give him the job but it wouldn't hurt anyone to let him compete and if he outplays Rodgers then you give it to the best player NOW, not who you drafted to be the incumbent to Favre just because he's been waiting for years. Thats what I mean by win now, they have him on the roster and they were willing to pay him more to stay away. If you're willing to pay him, let him earn his money, thats all I'm saying.

BUT THEY CAN'T!!!!!!!! There is absolutely no way they can have a "fair and open" competition for the job. Favre is idolized by MIILIONS (Although the number is shrinking by the day). Rodgers wouldn't have to just win the "Open" competition, but he'd have to blow Favre away AND lead them to a playoff berth with at least one playoff win.POST 112 describes how Favre has been over-rated the last 10 years, but many of his fans are still rabid (including much of the media), and they are blind to it. If Favre is in camp, he's the starter, whether he deserves it or not.

 

[Jimmy James]

The appropriate thing to do would have been TT saying no more than, "If Brett wants to be on this team, he should send in the appropriate paperwork and come into camp." That's it. The team then has the following options:

1) Cut him

2) Trade him

3) Let him take over the starting spot and piss off AR

4) Let him be backup and ruin the season

Strangely, these are precisely the options the team still has despite all the Packers-sourced drama. They can't help the Favre part of the drama, but they could have acted as professionals. Of course, they would have had to be professionals in the first place for that to be an option.

Now, they have managed to piss off the most significant player they have had in decades. Now, there can be no doubt that he'll end up with the Vikings if he is cut just so he can have an opportunity to play Green Bay twice a year and try to keep them out of the playoffs.

 

[sholditch]

Rotoworld claims: "Favre plans to fly to Green Bay on Sunday and report to camp. The latest rumor is that the Packers plan to let Favre do only individual work in camp and release him the day before the season starts. At that point, he'll be so far behind that he won't be able to help a team like the Vikings early in the season."

That would be the biggest chicken ##### move by the Packers.

Yup. It's gutless. If Favre reports, let him compete. Thompson shouldn't be afraid of competition that could (and almost certainly would) make the team better. I simply cannot understand what the hell he is doing here. It doesn't make a lick of sense.

For either of you - I don't understand why it's gutless. Farve has been trying to leverage a power play since this thing started - and the funny thing is he has no power.

It's gutless because it looks like the Packers are scared of competition. They look like they're afraid the guy they've been backing (Rodgers) can't handle the competition and they look like they're afraid a 38-year-old with no offseason practice and who's been working out with high school kids can walk in off the street and beat out the guy they're so confident should be the starter. I think it's gutless. It's one thing to want to move on; it's another to flat out reject the idea of competition that will make the team better. The Packers continue to treat this like it's some foreign concept in the NFL. But teams every year since the league was formed have had competition for starting jobs. I cannot understand what makes Aaron Rodgers so damn special he's above it all.

It's gotten to the point where the Packers are not acting like a team but a pissed-off significant other. Honestly, I have never seen a team that was one play from the superbowl be so eager to go into full-blown rebuilding mode. I mean, does anyone, Packers management and Mccarthy included, honestly believe that Aaron Rodgers gives them a better chance to win? Can anyone out there make any kind of argument that their record this year will be better with Rodgers at QB instead of Favre? I get that they want to "move on" but at this point it's like they are more concerned about Rodgers than they are about the state of the franchise.

Please read post #112.

I did. Thanks for wasting my time.Favre has been a gunslinger and has made mistakes, that much can be admitted. But to assume that every time they lost in the playoffs it was because of Favre, at the same time giving him no credit for getting there, is simply bad journalism. Pathetic really. If Favre sucks so bad why is GB scared poopless to trade him to a division rival where they could get max value for him? Think maybe the team that he's been on since he started his first game knows a bit more about him than these two stat-crunching jokers? And this is coming from a Bears fan.

 

[T Bell]

I'm going to LMAO if Favre gets his job back, and Rodgers leaves next year and goes elsewhere and starts winning, and doubly so if the Packers crash and burn this year. Favre has handled this awfully, and has put his own interests ahead of the teams.

I've criticized his offseason indecision and the way that Madden's fawning over him makes me gag, but I'm now actively rooting against him. And no, I'm not a Packers hater, though I'm sure Packers fans will have a tough time discerning that right now. I just refuse to pull for this primadonna who always cloaks himself as the ultimate team player and credit to football.

 

[Phurfur]

Rotoworld claims: "Favre plans to fly to Green Bay on Sunday and report to camp. The latest rumor is that the Packers plan to let Favre do only individual work in camp and release him the day before the season starts. At that point, he'll be so far behind that he won't be able to help a team like the Vikings early in the season."

That would be the biggest chicken ##### move by the Packers.

Yup. It's gutless. If Favre reports, let him compete. Thompson shouldn't be afraid of competition that could (and almost certainly would) make the team better. I simply cannot understand what the hell he is doing here. It doesn't make a lick of sense.

For either of you - I don't understand why it's gutless. Farve has been trying to leverage a power play since this thing started - and the funny thing is he has no power.

It's gutless because it looks like the Packers are scared of competition. They look like they're afraid the guy they've been backing (Rodgers) can't handle the competition and they look like they're afraid a 38-year-old with no offseason practice and who's been working out with high school kids can walk in off the street and beat out the guy they're so confident should be the starter. I think it's gutless. It's one thing to want to move on; it's another to flat out reject the idea of competition that will make the team better. The Packers continue to treat this like it's some foreign concept in the NFL. But teams every year since the league was formed have had competition for starting jobs. I cannot understand what makes Aaron Rodgers so damn special he's above it all.

It's gotten to the point where the Packers are not acting like a team but a pissed-off significant other. Honestly, I have never seen a team that was one play from the superbowl be so eager to go into full-blown rebuilding mode. I mean, does anyone, Packers management and Mccarthy included, honestly believe that Aaron Rodgers gives them a better chance to win? Can anyone out there make any kind of argument that their record this year will be better with Rodgers at QB instead of Favre? I get that they want to "move on" but at this point it's like they are more concerned about Rodgers than they are about the state of the franchise.

Please read post #112.

I did. Thanks for wasting my time.

If facts are a waste of time we have nothing to talk about.

 

[Chachi]

Rotoworld claims: "Favre plans to fly to Green Bay on Sunday and report to camp. The latest rumor is that the Packers plan to let Favre do only individual work in camp and release him the day before the season starts. At that point, he'll be so far behind that he won't be able to help a team like the Vikings early in the season."

That would be the biggest chicken ##### move by the Packers.

Yup. It's gutless. If Favre reports, let him compete. Thompson shouldn't be afraid of competition that could (and almost certainly would) make the team better. I simply cannot understand what the hell he is doing here. It doesn't make a lick of sense.

For either of you - I don't understand why it's gutless. Farve has been trying to leverage a power play since this thing started - and the funny thing is he has no power.

It's gutless because it looks like the Packers are scared of competition. They look like they're afraid the guy they've been backing (Rodgers) can't handle the competition and they look like they're afraid a 38-year-old with no offseason practice and who's been working out with high school kids can walk in off the street and beat out the guy they're so confident should be the starter. I think it's gutless. It's one thing to want to move on; it's another to flat out reject the idea of competition that will make the team better. The Packers continue to treat this like it's some foreign concept in the NFL. But teams every year since the league was formed have had competition for starting jobs. I cannot understand what makes Aaron Rodgers so damn special he's above it all.

It's gotten to the point where the Packers are not acting like a team but a pissed-off significant other. Honestly, I have never seen a team that was one play from the superbowl be so eager to go into full-blown rebuilding mode. I mean, does anyone, Packers management and Mccarthy included, honestly believe that Aaron Rodgers gives them a better chance to win? Can anyone out there make any kind of argument that their record this year will be better with Rodgers at QB instead of Favre? I get that they want to "move on" but at this point it's like they are more concerned about Rodgers than they are about the state of the franchise.

Please read post #112.

I did. Thanks for wasting my time.

 

[Chachi]

Rotoworld claims: "Favre plans to fly to Green Bay on Sunday and report to camp. The latest rumor is that the Packers plan to let Favre do only individual work in camp and release him the day before the season starts. At that point, he'll be so far behind that he won't be able to help a team like the Vikings early in the season."

That would be the biggest chicken ##### move by the Packers.

Yup. It's gutless. If Favre reports, let him compete. Thompson shouldn't be afraid of competition that could (and almost certainly would) make the team better. I simply cannot understand what the hell he is doing here. It doesn't make a lick of sense.

For either of you - I don't understand why it's gutless. Farve has been trying to leverage a power play since this thing started - and the funny thing is he has no power.

It's gutless because it looks like the Packers are scared of competition. They look like they're afraid the guy they've been backing (Rodgers) can't handle the competition and they look like they're afraid a 38-year-old with no offseason practice and who's been working out with high school kids can walk in off the street and beat out the guy they're so confident should be the starter. I think it's gutless. It's one thing to want to move on; it's another to flat out reject the idea of competition that will make the team better. The Packers continue to treat this like it's some foreign concept in the NFL. But teams every year since the league was formed have had competition for starting jobs. I cannot understand what makes Aaron Rodgers so damn special he's above it all.

It's gotten to the point where the Packers are not acting like a team but a pissed-off significant other. Honestly, I have never seen a team that was one play from the superbowl be so eager to go into full-blown rebuilding mode. I mean, does anyone, Packers management and Mccarthy included, honestly believe that Aaron Rodgers gives them a better chance to win? Can anyone out there make any kind of argument that their record this year will be better with Rodgers at QB instead of Favre? I get that they want to "move on" but at this point it's like they are more concerned about Rodgers than they are about the state of the franchise.

Please read post #112.

I did. Thanks for wasting my time.

If listening to my pointless rants is a waste of time we have nothing to talk about.

Fixed Phurfur ===>

 

[Steady Mooobin]

Rotoworld claims: "Favre plans to fly to Green Bay on Sunday and report to camp. The latest rumor is that the Packers plan to let Favre do only individual work in camp and release him the day before the season starts. At that point, he'll be so far behind that he won't be able to help a team like the Vikings early in the season."

That would be the biggest chicken ##### move by the Packers.

Yup. It's gutless. If Favre reports, let him compete. Thompson shouldn't be afraid of competition that could (and almost certainly would) make the team better. I simply cannot understand what the hell he is doing here. It doesn't make a lick of sense.

For either of you - I don't understand why it's gutless. Farve has been trying to leverage a power play since this thing started - and the funny thing is he has no power.

It's gutless because it looks like the Packers are scared of competition. They look like they're afraid the guy they've been backing (Rodgers) can't handle the competition and they look like they're afraid a 38-year-old with no offseason practice and who's been working out with high school kids can walk in off the street and beat out the guy they're so confident should be the starter. I think it's gutless. It's one thing to want to move on; it's another to flat out reject the idea of competition that will make the team better. The Packers continue to treat this like it's some foreign concept in the NFL. But teams every year since the league was formed have had competition for starting jobs. I cannot understand what makes Aaron Rodgers so damn special he's above it all.

It's gotten to the point where the Packers are not acting like a team but a pissed-off significant other. Honestly, I have never seen a team that was one play from the superbowl be so eager to go into full-blown rebuilding mode. I mean, does anyone, Packers management and Mccarthy included, honestly believe that Aaron Rodgers gives them a better chance to win? Can anyone out there make any kind of argument that their record this year will be better with Rodgers at QB instead of Favre? I get that they want to "move on" but at this point it's like they are more concerned about Rodgers than they are about the state of the franchise.

Please read post #112.

I did. Thanks for wasting my time.

If facts are a waste of time we have nothing to talk about.

You post an opinion piece Sal Paolantonio wrote for his book and that's your facts?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

It's gotten to the point where the Packers are not acting like a team but a pissed-off significant other. Honestly, I have never seen a team that was one play from the superbowl be so eager to go into full-blown rebuilding mode. I mean, does anyone, Packers management and Mccarthy included, honestly believe that Aaron Rodgers gives them a better chance to win? Can anyone out there make any kind of argument that their record this year will be better with Rodgers at QB instead of Favre? I get that they want to "move on" but at this point it's like they are more concerned about Rodgers than they are about the state of the franchise.

FWIW, I think it's more than 50% likely that Aaron Rodgers gives the Packers a better chance to win this year than Favre does.I'm not interested in debating this topic at length. But Favre, as great as he was for so many years, is not that good anymore. In 2005 and 2006, he averaged 6.3 YPA and threw 9 more INTs than TDs. (Over the last five seasons, Favre leads the NFL in interceptions with an astonishing 99. Joey Harrington is second with 69.) In 2007, his stats look better than they did in the two previous years, but those stats are deceiving.

The Packers' coaches have gotten to watch Aaron Rodgers in practice every day for the last several years. Rodgers has worked with the first team through OTAs and training camp so far this year. Rodgers looked good in his few regular-season pass attempts last year.

Brett Favre, IMO, is a below-average starting NFL quarterback right now. Maybe not below average, but IMO not above average either.

The Packers' coaches, who've seen more of Rodgers than the rest of us have, apparently believe that Rodgers is an above-average quarterback.

Maybe Rodgers will succeed and maybe he'll fail, but at this point I think he gives the team the best chance to win.

 

[sholditch]

Rotoworld claims: "Favre plans to fly to Green Bay on Sunday and report to camp. The latest rumor is that the Packers plan to let Favre do only individual work in camp and release him the day before the season starts. At that point, he'll be so far behind that he won't be able to help a team like the Vikings early in the season."

That would be the biggest chicken ##### move by the Packers.

Yup. It's gutless. If Favre reports, let him compete. Thompson shouldn't be afraid of competition that could (and almost certainly would) make the team better. I simply cannot understand what the hell he is doing here. It doesn't make a lick of sense.

For either of you - I don't understand why it's gutless. Farve has been trying to leverage a power play since this thing started - and the funny thing is he has no power.

It's gutless because it looks like the Packers are scared of competition. They look like they're afraid the guy they've been backing (Rodgers) can't handle the competition and they look like they're afraid a 38-year-old with no offseason practice and who's been working out with high school kids can walk in off the street and beat out the guy they're so confident should be the starter. I think it's gutless. It's one thing to want to move on; it's another to flat out reject the idea of competition that will make the team better. The Packers continue to treat this like it's some foreign concept in the NFL. But teams every year since the league was formed have had competition for starting jobs. I cannot understand what makes Aaron Rodgers so damn special he's above it all.

It's gotten to the point where the Packers are not acting like a team but a pissed-off significant other. Honestly, I have never seen a team that was one play from the superbowl be so eager to go into full-blown rebuilding mode. I mean, does anyone, Packers management and Mccarthy included, honestly believe that Aaron Rodgers gives them a better chance to win? Can anyone out there make any kind of argument that their record this year will be better with Rodgers at QB instead of Favre? I get that they want to "move on" but at this point it's like they are more concerned about Rodgers than they are about the state of the franchise.

Please read post #112.

I did. Thanks for wasting my time.

If facts are a waste of time we have nothing to talk about.

hand-picked stats with a clear agenda behind them might be facts, but they can hardly be called truth. For a clear example, read the thread about how CT is only 3.5% worse than Adrian Peterson.

 

[Phurfur]

Rotoworld claims: "Favre plans to fly to Green Bay on Sunday and report to camp. The latest rumor is that the Packers plan to let Favre do only individual work in camp and release him the day before the season starts. At that point, he'll be so far behind that he won't be able to help a team like the Vikings early in the season."

That would be the biggest chicken ##### move by the Packers.

Yup. It's gutless. If Favre reports, let him compete. Thompson shouldn't be afraid of competition that could (and almost certainly would) make the team better. I simply cannot understand what the hell he is doing here. It doesn't make a lick of sense.

For either of you - I don't understand why it's gutless. Farve has been trying to leverage a power play since this thing started - and the funny thing is he has no power.

It's gutless because it looks like the Packers are scared of competition. They look like they're afraid the guy they've been backing (Rodgers) can't handle the competition and they look like they're afraid a 38-year-old with no offseason practice and who's been working out with high school kids can walk in off the street and beat out the guy they're so confident should be the starter. I think it's gutless. It's one thing to want to move on; it's another to flat out reject the idea of competition that will make the team better. The Packers continue to treat this like it's some foreign concept in the NFL. But teams every year since the league was formed have had competition for starting jobs. I cannot understand what makes Aaron Rodgers so damn special he's above it all.

It's gotten to the point where the Packers are not acting like a team but a pissed-off significant other. Honestly, I have never seen a team that was one play from the superbowl be so eager to go into full-blown rebuilding mode. I mean, does anyone, Packers management and Mccarthy included, honestly believe that Aaron Rodgers gives them a better chance to win? Can anyone out there make any kind of argument that their record this year will be better with Rodgers at QB instead of Favre? I get that they want to "move on" but at this point it's like they are more concerned about Rodgers than they are about the state of the franchise.

Please read post #112.

I did. Thanks for wasting my time.

If facts are a waste of time we have nothing to talk about.

You post an opinion piece Sal Paolantonio wrote for his book and that's your facts?

I count a player's stats as facts. Do you thing Sal made them up or it is just his opinion that Favre's stats over the last decade are very average.

 

[Jimmy James]

It's gotten to the point where the Packers are not acting like a team but a pissed-off significant other. Honestly, I have never seen a team that was one play from the superbowl be so eager to go into full-blown rebuilding mode. I mean, does anyone, Packers management and Mccarthy included, honestly believe that Aaron Rodgers gives them a better chance to win? Can anyone out there make any kind of argument that their record this year will be better with Rodgers at QB instead of Favre? I get that they want to "move on" but at this point it's like they are more concerned about Rodgers than they are about the state of the franchise.

FWIW, I think it's more than 50% likely that Aaron Rodgers gives the Packers a better chance to win this year than Favre does.I'm not interested in debating this topic at length. But Favre, as great as he was for so many years, is not that good anymore. In 2005 and 2006, he averaged 6.3 YPA and threw 9 more INTs than TDs. (Over the last five seasons, Favre leads the NFL in interceptions with an astonishing 99. Joey Harrington is second with 69.) In 2007, his stats look better than they did in the two previous years, but those stats are deceiving.

The Packers' coaches have gotten to watch Aaron Rodgers in practice every day for the last several years. Rodgers has worked with the first team through OTAs and training camp so far this year. Rodgers looked good in his few regular-season pass attempts last year.

Brett Favre, IMO, is a below-average starting NFL quarterback right now. Maybe not below average, but IMO not above average either.

The Packers' coaches, who've seen more of Rodgers than the rest of us have, apparently believe that Rodgers is an above-average quarterback.

Maybe Rodgers will succeed and maybe he'll fail, but at this point I think he gives the team the best chance to win.

So if they believe what you're suggesting here, they should cut the man and HOPE he signs with a rival. This isn't rocket surgery.

 

[gorf]

John Clayton is reporting Favre has REJECTED THE 25 MILLION dollar buyout and wants to play football.

then let him play for the Jets.

if they're willing to pay him what he's due under his contract...

 

[Chachi]

Phurfur, you there?

Repeat that please?

Ok, that's what i thought you said, no comprehendo.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

It's gotten to the point where the Packers are not acting like a team but a pissed-off significant other. Honestly, I have never seen a team that was one play from the superbowl be so eager to go into full-blown rebuilding mode. I mean, does anyone, Packers management and Mccarthy included, honestly believe that Aaron Rodgers gives them a better chance to win? Can anyone out there make any kind of argument that their record this year will be better with Rodgers at QB instead of Favre? I get that they want to "move on" but at this point it's like they are more concerned about Rodgers than they are about the state of the franchise.

FWIW, I think it's more than 50% likely that Aaron Rodgers gives the Packers a better chance to win this year than Favre does.I'm not interested in debating this topic at length. But Favre, as great as he was for so many years, is not that good anymore. In 2005 and 2006, he averaged 6.3 YPA and threw 9 more INTs than TDs. (Over the last five seasons, Favre leads the NFL in interceptions with an astonishing 99. Joey Harrington is second with 69.) In 2007, his stats look better than they did in the two previous years, but those stats are deceiving.

The Packers' coaches have gotten to watch Aaron Rodgers in practice every day for the last several years. Rodgers has worked with the first team through OTAs and training camp so far this year. Rodgers looked good in his few regular-season pass attempts last year.

Brett Favre, IMO, is a below-average starting NFL quarterback right now. Maybe not below average, but IMO not above average either.

The Packers' coaches, who've seen more of Rodgers than the rest of us have, apparently believe that Rodgers is an above-average quarterback.

Maybe Rodgers will succeed and maybe he'll fail, but at this point I think he gives the team the best chance to win.

I agree with you. Packer fans can't get past the iconic mentality. I felt the same way about Bert Jones, even though that's apples and oranges. The bottom line is that it's hard for fans to move past their heros.

 

[T Bell]

I'm just curious - did the Packers ask for the prorated portion of Favre's signing bonus on his last contract to be returned to them when he retired?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

It's gotten to the point where the Packers are not acting like a team but a pissed-off significant other. Honestly, I have never seen a team that was one play from the superbowl be so eager to go into full-blown rebuilding mode. I mean, does anyone, Packers management and Mccarthy included, honestly believe that Aaron Rodgers gives them a better chance to win? Can anyone out there make any kind of argument that their record this year will be better with Rodgers at QB instead of Favre? I get that they want to "move on" but at this point it's like they are more concerned about Rodgers than they are about the state of the franchise.

FWIW, I think it's more than 50% likely that Aaron Rodgers gives the Packers a better chance to win this year than Favre does.I'm not interested in debating this topic at length. But Favre, as great as he was for so many years, is not that good anymore. In 2005 and 2006, he averaged 6.3 YPA and threw 9 more INTs than TDs. (Over the last five seasons, Favre leads the NFL in interceptions with an astonishing 99. Joey Harrington is second with 69.) In 2007, his stats look better than they did in the two previous years, but those stats are deceiving.

The Packers' coaches have gotten to watch Aaron Rodgers in practice every day for the last several years. Rodgers has worked with the first team through OTAs and training camp so far this year. Rodgers looked good in his few regular-season pass attempts last year.

Brett Favre, IMO, is a below-average starting NFL quarterback right now. Maybe not below average, but IMO not above average either.

The Packers' coaches, who've seen more of Rodgers than the rest of us have, apparently believe that Rodgers is an above-average quarterback.

Maybe Rodgers will succeed and maybe he'll fail, but at this point I think he gives the team the best chance to win.

So if they believe what you're suggesting here, they should cut the man and HOPE he signs with a rival. This isn't rocket surgery.

Personally, I would trade him (possibly to a rival if I weren't worried about the PR consequences).Favre is better than Tarvaris Jackson and Rex Grossman, though, so if they traded him within the NFC North they would be making their opponent better.

Favre apparently nixed the Jets deal.

 

[sholditch]

It's gotten to the point where the Packers are not acting like a team but a pissed-off significant other. Honestly, I have never seen a team that was one play from the superbowl be so eager to go into full-blown rebuilding mode. I mean, does anyone, Packers management and Mccarthy included, honestly believe that Aaron Rodgers gives them a better chance to win? Can anyone out there make any kind of argument that their record this year will be better with Rodgers at QB instead of Favre? I get that they want to "move on" but at this point it's like they are more concerned about Rodgers than they are about the state of the franchise.

FWIW, I think it's more than 50% likely that Aaron Rodgers gives the Packers a better chance to win this year than Favre does.I'm not interested in debating this topic at length. But Favre, as great as he was for so many years, is not that good anymore. In 2005 and 2006, he averaged 6.3 YPA and threw 9 more INTs than TDs. (Over the last five seasons, Favre leads the NFL in interceptions with an astonishing 99. Joey Harrington is second with 69.) In 2007, his stats look better than they did in the two previous years, but those stats are deceiving.

The Packers' coaches have gotten to watch Aaron Rodgers in practice every day for the last several years. Rodgers has worked with the first team through OTAs and training camp so far this year. Rodgers looked good in his few regular-season pass attempts last year.

Brett Favre, IMO, is a below-average starting NFL quarterback right now. Maybe not below average, but IMO not above average either.

The Packers' coaches, who've seen more of Rodgers than the rest of us have, apparently believe that Rodgers is an above-average quarterback.

Maybe Rodgers will succeed and maybe he'll fail, but at this point I think he gives the team the best chance to win.

Forgive me if I don't read the linked article. I'm sure there's some sort of statistical manipulations that somehow show his season last year was subpar. But since we are talking facts, here are some:HE was 4th in the league in passing yardage.

He tied for sixth in the league for TDs.

He was third in the league in ypa at 7.8.

He was no. 1 in the league with 16 40+ yard passes.

He tied for ninth in the league for interceptions (fewer than Palmer, Brees, and Romo).

Yeah, real average...

Also, his 05 and 06 seasons might have been subpar because the team ranked 30th (05) and 23rd (06) in rushing.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

It's gotten to the point where the Packers are not acting like a team but a pissed-off significant other. Honestly, I have never seen a team that was one play from the superbowl be so eager to go into full-blown rebuilding mode. I mean, does anyone, Packers management and Mccarthy included, honestly believe that Aaron Rodgers gives them a better chance to win? Can anyone out there make any kind of argument that their record this year will be better with Rodgers at QB instead of Favre? I get that they want to "move on" but at this point it's like they are more concerned about Rodgers than they are about the state of the franchise.

FWIW, I think it's more than 50% likely that Aaron Rodgers gives the Packers a better chance to win this year than Favre does.I'm not interested in debating this topic at length. But Favre, as great as he was for so many years, is not that good anymore. In 2005 and 2006, he averaged 6.3 YPA and threw 9 more INTs than TDs. (Over the last five seasons, Favre leads the NFL in interceptions with an astonishing 99. Joey Harrington is second with 69.) In 2007, his stats look better than they did in the two previous years, but those stats are deceiving.

The Packers' coaches have gotten to watch Aaron Rodgers in practice every day for the last several years. Rodgers has worked with the first team through OTAs and training camp so far this year. Rodgers looked good in his few regular-season pass attempts last year.

Brett Favre, IMO, is a below-average starting NFL quarterback right now. Maybe not below average, but IMO not above average either.

The Packers' coaches, who've seen more of Rodgers than the rest of us have, apparently believe that Rodgers is an above-average quarterback.

Maybe Rodgers will succeed and maybe he'll fail, but at this point I think he gives the team the best chance to win.

Forgive me if I don't read the linked article. I'm sure there's some sort of statistical manipulations that somehow show his season last year was subpar. But since we are talking facts, here are some:HE was 4th in the league in passing yardage.

He tied for sixth in the league for TDs.

He was third in the league in ypa at 7.8.

He was no. 1 in the league with 16 40+ yard passes.

He tied for ninth in the league for interceptions (fewer than Palmer, Brees, and Romo).

Yeah, real average...

Also, his 05 and 06 seasons might have been subpar because the team ranked 30th (05) and 23rd (06) in rushing.

So in response to a link stating that his stats were deceiving, you tell me what his stats were?

 

[Phurfur]

Rotoworld claims: "Favre plans to fly to Green Bay on Sunday and report to camp. The latest rumor is that the Packers plan to let Favre do only individual work in camp and release him the day before the season starts. At that point, he'll be so far behind that he won't be able to help a team like the Vikings early in the season."

That would be the biggest chicken ##### move by the Packers.

Yup. It's gutless. If Favre reports, let him compete. Thompson shouldn't be afraid of competition that could (and almost certainly would) make the team better. I simply cannot understand what the hell he is doing here. It doesn't make a lick of sense.

For either of you - I don't understand why it's gutless. Farve has been trying to leverage a power play since this thing started - and the funny thing is he has no power.

It's gutless because it looks like the Packers are scared of competition. They look like they're afraid the guy they've been backing (Rodgers) can't handle the competition and they look like they're afraid a 38-year-old with no offseason practice and who's been working out with high school kids can walk in off the street and beat out the guy they're so confident should be the starter. I think it's gutless. It's one thing to want to move on; it's another to flat out reject the idea of competition that will make the team better.

The Packers continue to treat this like it's some foreign concept in the NFL. But teams every year since the league was formed have had competition for starting jobs. I cannot understand what makes Aaron Rodgers so damn special he's above it all.

It's gotten to the point where the Packers are not acting like a team but a pissed-off significant other. Honestly, I have never seen a team that was one play from the superbowl be so eager to go into full-blown rebuilding mode. I mean, does anyone, Packers management and Mccarthy included, honestly believe that Aaron Rodgers gives them a better chance to win? Can anyone out there make any kind of argument that their record this year will be better with Rodgers at QB instead of Favre? I get that they want to "move on" but at this point it's like they are more concerned about Rodgers than they are about the state of the franchise.

Please read post #112.

I did. Thanks for wasting my time.Favre has been a gunslinger and has made mistakes, that much can be admitted. But to assume that every time they lost in the playoffs it was because of Favre, at the same time giving him no credit for getting there, is simply bad journalism. Pathetic really. If Favre sucks so bad why is GB scared poopless to trade him to a division rival where they could get max value for him? Think maybe the team that he's been on since he started his first game knows a bit more about him than these two stat-crunching jokers? And this is coming from a Bears fan.

I think they do and that is the reason they don't want him back.

 

[sholditch]

If facts are a waste of time we have nothing to talk about.

You post an opinion piece Sal Paolantonio wrote for his book and that's your facts?

I count a player's stats as facts. Do you thing Sal made them up or it is just his opinion that Favre's stats over the last decade are very average.

Everyone on this board needs to take a statistics class. I did and I only learned one thing. No matter what the facts are or truth is, statistics can be manipulated to prove any point you want, no matter how divorced from the contextual truth they are. All advertising depends on this.

 

[sholditch]

It's gotten to the point where the Packers are not acting like a team but a pissed-off significant other. Honestly, I have never seen a team that was one play from the superbowl be so eager to go into full-blown rebuilding mode. I mean, does anyone, Packers management and Mccarthy included, honestly believe that Aaron Rodgers gives them a better chance to win? Can anyone out there make any kind of argument that their record this year will be better with Rodgers at QB instead of Favre? I get that they want to "move on" but at this point it's like they are more concerned about Rodgers than they are about the state of the franchise.

FWIW, I think it's more than 50% likely that Aaron Rodgers gives the Packers a better chance to win this year than Favre does.I'm not interested in debating this topic at length. But Favre, as great as he was for so many years, is not that good anymore. In 2005 and 2006, he averaged 6.3 YPA and threw 9 more INTs than TDs. (Over the last five seasons, Favre leads the NFL in interceptions with an astonishing 99. Joey Harrington is second with 69.) In 2007, his stats look better than they did in the two previous years, but those stats are deceiving.

The Packers' coaches have gotten to watch Aaron Rodgers in practice every day for the last several years. Rodgers has worked with the first team through OTAs and training camp so far this year. Rodgers looked good in his few regular-season pass attempts last year.

Brett Favre, IMO, is a below-average starting NFL quarterback right now. Maybe not below average, but IMO not above average either.

The Packers' coaches, who've seen more of Rodgers than the rest of us have, apparently believe that Rodgers is an above-average quarterback.

Maybe Rodgers will succeed and maybe he'll fail, but at this point I think he gives the team the best chance to win.

Forgive me if I don't read the linked article. I'm sure there's some sort of statistical manipulations that somehow show his season last year was subpar. But since we are talking facts, here are some:HE was 4th in the league in passing yardage.

He tied for sixth in the league for TDs.

He was third in the league in ypa at 7.8.

He was no. 1 in the league with 16 40+ yard passes.

He tied for ninth in the league for interceptions (fewer than Palmer, Brees, and Romo).

Yeah, real average...

Also, his 05 and 06 seasons might have been subpar because the team ranked 30th (05) and 23rd (06) in rushing.

So in response to a link stating that his stats were deceiving, you tell me what his stats were?

I didn't cherry pick. I just looked up his rankings. When you start deciding which stats to keep in and which to keep out, that's when manipulation occurs and that's when they become deceiving. Are set in stone rankings based on stats considered stats anyway?Also notice you didn't refute anything I posted or explain how ranking in the top 10 in basically every category = average.

 

[Jimmy James]

We're speculating that Rodgers is a good QB (likely better than Favre), but we say Favre is absolutely better than Jackson? I don't buy that. Jackson didn't do a great job last year, but he at least has a year under his belt. That's more than Rodgers can say.

I think at this point we'd have to agree about Grossman, but I see no need to talk about the Bears. I don't think they're even a consideration.

 

[Phurfur]

It's gotten to the point where the Packers are not acting like a team but a pissed-off significant other. Honestly, I have never seen a team that was one play from the superbowl be so eager to go into full-blown rebuilding mode. I mean, does anyone, Packers management and Mccarthy included, honestly believe that Aaron Rodgers gives them a better chance to win? Can anyone out there make any kind of argument that their record this year will be better with Rodgers at QB instead of Favre? I get that they want to "move on" but at this point it's like they are more concerned about Rodgers than they are about the state of the franchise.

FWIW, I think it's more than 50% likely that Aaron Rodgers gives the Packers a better chance to win this year than Favre does.I'm not interested in debating this topic at length. But Favre, as great as he was for so many years, is not that good anymore. In 2005 and 2006, he averaged 6.3 YPA and threw 9 more INTs than TDs. (Over the last five seasons, Favre leads the NFL in interceptions with an astonishing 99. Joey Harrington is second with 69.) In 2007, his stats look better than they did in the two previous years, but those stats are deceiving.

The Packers' coaches have gotten to watch Aaron Rodgers in practice every day for the last several years. Rodgers has worked with the first team through OTAs and training camp so far this year. Rodgers looked good in his few regular-season pass attempts last year.

Brett Favre, IMO, is a below-average starting NFL quarterback right now. Maybe not below average, but IMO not above average either.

The Packers' coaches, who've seen more of Rodgers than the rest of us have, apparently believe that Rodgers is an above-average quarterback.

Maybe Rodgers will succeed and maybe he'll fail, but at this point I think he gives the team the best chance to win.

Forgive me if I don't read the linked article. I'm sure there's some sort of statistical manipulations that somehow show his season last year was subpar. But since we are talking facts, here are some:HE was 4th in the league in passing yardage.

He tied for sixth in the league for TDs.

He was third in the league in ypa at 7.8.

He was no. 1 in the league with 16 40+ yard passes.

He tied for ninth in the league for interceptions (fewer than Palmer, Brees, and Romo).

Yeah, real average...

Also, his 05 and 06 seasons might have been subpar because the team ranked 30th (05) and 23rd (06) in rushing.

So in response to a link stating that his stats were deceiving, you tell me what his stats were?

I didn't cherry pick. I just looked up his rankings. When you start deciding which stats to keep in and which to keep out, that's when manipulation occurs and that's when they become deceiving. Are set in stone rankings based on stats considered stats anyway?Also notice you didn't refute anything I posted or explain how ranking in the top 10 in basically every category = average.

Picking 5 categories from 1 year is not cherry picking????????????????????????????????

 

[Todem]

I am so over the behind the scenes nonsense.

From a purely football decision if the Packers do not want Favre to be their QB this year they are complete and utter morons.

It's that simple.

If Brett Favre wants to play football this season for the Green Bay Packers coming off one his best years ever I can't see the logic in this nonsense. He said....she said all you want about who is to blame. This is about winning football games.

Aarron Rodgers?

Puleeeeze.

 

[Phurfur]

If facts are a waste of time we have nothing to talk about.

You post an opinion piece Sal Paolantonio wrote for his book and that's your facts?

I count a player's stats as facts. Do you thing Sal made them up or it is just his opinion that Favre's stats over the last decade are very average.

Everyone on this board needs to take a statistics class. I did and I only learned one thing. No matter what the facts are or truth is, statistics can be manipulated to prove any point you want, no matter how divorced from the contextual truth they are. All advertising depends on this.

If that is all you learned in your class you got ripped off.

 

[bonesman]

Brett Favre might be the toughest SOB to ever don a football helmet and pads.

Aaron Rodgers has, thus far, shown to be as brittle that sugar glass they jump through in the movies.

WTF is a matter w/ the Packers' management?!?!? It is unfathomable that they would consider going into this season w/ Rodgers/Brom when Favre ready and willing to go.

 

[TommyKramer]

I think that the reason the commish hasn't made a ruling on the tampering charges is the following:

He was waiting to see if Favre pushed it to the point that he showed up for camp.

Since he has, here's what I see happening:

Favre will be traded to the Vikings for a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

I believe that the Vikes probably did "technically" tamper with Favre. So, to save face for the Vikings (avoide the charges) and to save face for the Packers (get some sort of compensation) that Favre will be traded to the Vikes.

So, instead of the Vikes losing a 3rd round pick for tampering and the Packers being forced to release Favre for nothing, the pick simply goes to the Packers. Both sides come out looking better.

 

[sho nuff]

An average Rodgers should get this team 9 wins. Thats just if he is average.

An average Brian Griese only got the '99 Broncos 6 wins, and that team was much more talented than the current Packers team. And spare me the "Rodgers is better than Griese" chatter, as we have NO IDEA how good or bad Rodgers is going to be yet.

IMO...he is better than Griese and this offense (barring injuries) is better than what Denver had (TD ended up hurt as did Sharpe).

 

[Todem]

It's gotten to the point where the Packers are not acting like a team but a pissed-off significant other. Honestly, I have never seen a team that was one play from the superbowl be so eager to go into full-blown rebuilding mode. I mean, does anyone, Packers management and Mccarthy included, honestly believe that Aaron Rodgers gives them a better chance to win? Can anyone out there make any kind of argument that their record this year will be better with Rodgers at QB instead of Favre? I get that they want to "move on" but at this point it's like they are more concerned about Rodgers than they are about the state of the franchise.

FWIW, I think it's more than 50% likely that Aaron Rodgers gives the Packers a better chance to win this year than Favre does.I'm not interested in debating this topic at length. But Favre, as great as he was for so many years, is not that good anymore. In 2005 and 2006, he averaged 6.3 YPA and threw 9 more INTs than TDs. (Over the last five seasons, Favre leads the NFL in interceptions with an astonishing 99. Joey Harrington is second with 69.) In 2007, his stats look better than they did in the two previous years, but those stats are deceiving.

The Packers' coaches have gotten to watch Aaron Rodgers in practice every day for the last several years. Rodgers has worked with the first team through OTAs and training camp so far this year. Rodgers looked good in his few regular-season pass attempts last year.

Brett Favre, IMO, is a below-average starting NFL quarterback right now. Maybe not below average, but IMO not above average either.

The Packers' coaches, who've seen more of Rodgers than the rest of us have, apparently believe that Rodgers is an above-average quarterback.

Maybe Rodgers will succeed and maybe he'll fail, but at this point I think he gives the team the best chance to win.

Maybe your just being a contrarian...but I think you actually believe this (you posted it). Your way off. So what...he had one very bad year and a sub par 2006. Every HOF Q has had a bump or 2 in the road. But his 2007 was very good and if you think Brett Favre, who has never missed a game in his career gives them a less chance to make and win a Super Bowl let alone win you have no business giving football advice to fantasy players.

Wow your post is stinking up the place. LMAO.

 

[Novice2]

The Pack should do what the Eagles did to TO.

 

[sho nuff]

What a way to treat the legend. This will be a brutal move for the Packers for PR reasons and Brett will really come back to haunt them than. Nothing like a man who is pissed. Just think of all the games where Brett faces adversity and comes up huge. He could be MVP with such a scenario and Vikings pay nothing for him. There team is good enough without him to keep things warm till he is ready to go. Say week 5 and watch out.

What a way for a legend to act. And by the way he is not a legend and doesn't even come close to making the top 3 when it comes to the GB Packers.

Come on now Phurfur...stop this.He is easily top 3 all around when it comes to GB and probably the best Packer ever when you take everything into consideration.