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Favre could end the season on suspension (1 Viewer)

Agree with the previous post.

Also, just as with Tiger, if these allegations are true then there will be more women stepping forward with similar allegations and evidence... and probably some that accepted his advances.

It's not likely he only would have propositioned 3 women during his year long stay in NY.

 
I don't think they are going to be able to prove conclusively that he sent the text and that's all they have for sexual harassment. This case goes away and people will just forget about it.

 
If these allegations turn out to be true, you are fighting a lost cause to not recognize clear sexual harassment and violation of the NFL's personal conduct policy with these incidents.
What allegations? Who is making allegations here? You are throwing out some stinky bait.The NFL has no case against Favre. They might be able to prove he's on the voicemails, but the voicemails aren't incriminating. The pics ARE incriminating, but they can't prove that he's in them.
 
She allegedly kept everything, yet didn't come forward with sexual harrassment until after he left NY. Maybe he did harrass her, but it's also not out of the question that she was smitten with him and kept everything, he ended the relationship, and she became a woman scorned.
According to her, she was not smitten and there was no relationship. She didn't come forward until after the story broke. She didn't want the story to break. But she told someone at Deadspin a few years ago about it "off the record," and the guy at Deadspin broke the story this past offseason without her blessing. Only after that did she talk about it publicly. According to her.
 
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I don't think they are going to be able to prove conclusively that he sent the text and that's all they have for sexual harassment. This case goes away and people will just forget about it.
Nothing has to be "proven conclusively." That's not the standard for a suspension. I don't think anything was proven conclusively with Roethlisberger, for example.I don't think Favre will be suspended. But a lot of the reasons people are giving for that same conclusion are off-base, IMO.
 
If these allegations turn out to be true, you are fighting a lost cause to not recognize clear sexual harassment and violation of the NFL's personal conduct policy with these incidents.
What allegations? Who is making allegations here? You are throwing out some stinky bait.The NFL has no case against Favre. They might be able to prove he's on the voicemails, but the voicemails aren't incriminating. The pics ARE incriminating, but they can't prove that he's in them.
Two massage therapists are making allegations, one and her husband wanted to bring charges against Favre for sexual harassment but could not due to her status as an independent contractor. As Maurile just said, Sterger is not reportedly making allegations, but one way or another the voice msgs and texts to her were provided to Deadspin.Assuming the allegations are true, there will be plenty of evidence: texts, voice msgs, photos - all coming (presumably) from Favre's phone(s)... plus testimony from the 2 different massage therapists which is plenty by itself.I fully believe in innocent until proven guilty and do not assume any of this is true yet... but if these allegations are true and the evidence exists... not good for Favre.Favre's quote about the matter the other day hardly inspired confidence that there is not some substance to the claims.
 
Maurile Tremblay said:
cstu said:
I don't think they are going to be able to prove conclusively that he sent the text and that's all they have for sexual harassment. This case goes away and people will just forget about it.
Nothing has to be "proven conclusively." That's not the standard for a suspension. I don't think anything was proven conclusively with Roethlisberger, for example.I don't think Favre will be suspended. But a lot of the reasons people are giving for that same conclusion are off-base, IMO.
They didn't have to prove that Ben was at the bar, but they do have to prove that it's Favre's peen.
 
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Mort and ESPN are rumor mongerers. Don't waste your time thinking about or discussing this.
:pokey: ESPN has wanted no part of this story. They're obligated to report on it once the league confirms they're looking into it. I would say the coverage has been very light considering how much ESPN loves all things Favre. Even more surprising since it adds another story line to the game that's on their network this week. I have to wonder how different their coverage would look if it was, say, Randy Moss being accused of the same thing. #4 seems to have a lot of friends at ESPN.
 
Mort and ESPN are rumor mongerers. Don't waste your time thinking about or discussing this.
You should be getting ready for your game against the Jets.
:pokey: I don't play the Jets, and I'm not a Vikings fan. I just despise these types of stories where something could reportedly happen. Wake me when something actually does happen - as in Favre is fined and/or suspended by the NFL. :mellow:
 
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packersfan said:
dparker713 said:
What exactly would he be suspended for? The personal conduct policy is supposed to be for repeated offenses, and he wont even be charged in any court of law.
I'm guessing sexual harassment. I don't think the NFL needs to wait for a legal charge to be handed down, though. Roethlisberger wasn't charged and he got hit with four games.
Ben was a repeat offender..
 
ESPN has reported that the NFL is investigating Favre. That's not a rumor, it's a fact. Thier coverage of this has been very very light.

 
According to SI's Peter King, a suspension for Brett Favre is far from "automatic" in light of allegations that he sent racy text messages and voicemails to Jets sideline reporter Jenn Sterger in 2008.

King explains that Favre has no previous violations of the Personal Conduct Policy, and therefore would be a first-time offender. "They could find the offense so heinous that they could suspend him," King said, "but it's not automatic." ESPN's Chris Mortensen made a suspension sound near-likely in a Sunday morning report, but that's not the case. King believes that the matter will not be resolved until November at the earliest. Oct. 10 - 8:33 pm et

Source: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports

Rotoworld.com

Just as I eluded to. Mort/ESPN making their opinions to get ratings rather than stating clear facts.

 
I didnt find the deadspin phone messages to sound like him on enough areas to feel comfortable identifying them as Favre. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt until I know more.

Now those messages from Mel Gibson..........on his rant sounded like him to me. :goodposting:

 
The voicemail did sound a lot like him but I agree that a suspension shouldn't come solely on a voicemail.

Have the croc pics surfaced yet?

:jaa:

 
I need to brush up some more on this whole story, but something just seems off about it.It was 2 years ago and is just now coming out? Considering he was a member of the Jets when this happened, wouldn't they be subject to disaplinary action as well?
It IS a bit fishy that this all comes up just before the Jet's game and that the woman involved was a Jets employee. Since the incident happened when he was with them, it seems unfair that the Vikings would be the team that would be harmed. And I am suspicious, especially since the woman never filed a formal complaint.
 
She allegedly kept everything, yet didn't come forward with sexual harrassment until after he left NY. Maybe he did harrass her, but it's also not out of the question that she was smitten with him and kept everything, he ended the relationship, and she became a woman scorned.
According to her, she was not smitten and there was no relationship. She didn't come forward until after the story broke. She didn't want the story to break. But she told someone at Deadspin a few years ago about it "off the record," and the guy at Deadspin broke the story this past offseason without her blessing. Only after that did she talk about it publicly. According to her.
If you don't want a story to break, why talk about it with someone at Deadspin in the first place? Good grief!
 
No matter if this is true or not, the NFL is not going to let anything happen to their poster boy. Worst case scenario is that the NFL, Vikings, and Jets drag this out until the season ends. The hot chick will get what most hot chicks crave: money and attention.

This is Farve's last season. He will not miss a game this season due to these allegations.

 
Excerpt from Jason Whitlock.

What other explanation is there for the attack on Jenn Sterger? She’s done nothing wrong. Nothing. Even if she participated in the selling of the e-mails, voice mails and pictures to Deadspin -- which Deadspin claims she did not -- she has acted appropriately.

Sterger is not like the Tiger Woods groupies who willingly slept with the married golfer and then squealed so they could cash in.

Sterger, if you believe the allegations, was a victim of harassment. An older, married man made repeated, unwanted and offensive advances toward her. A full-time Jets employee, in an attempt to make the team’s star quarterback happy, gave Favre her contact information.

This is sexual harassment. She’s in her mid 20s, trying to get a foot in the door with the Jets. One of the most important players in the NFL allegedly used all of his leverage in an attempt to bed her.

Why are people upset that she would turn Favre’s harassment into a winning hand for herself? Why is there a pointless debate about whether she was a “reporter” or “game-day host” for the Jets?

She’s a human being. If she sold popcorn for the Jets, Favre’s conduct would still be inappropriate.

If we find out she slept with Favre or led him on, I’ll reverse my position and lump her with the sleazy opportunists who exploited the Tiger situation.

As of right now, I hope she capitalizes in every way possible. I hope she’s on Oprah’s couch Tuesday and on Leno and Letterman later in the week.

If you read my column regularly (or know me personally), you know I struggle combating my own sexist impulses. I can sexually objectify women with the best of them. My thoughts are not pure. Neither are all of my actions. I’m glad I’ve never been as rich and famous as Brett Favre. I might make the same mistakes he’s accused of making.

One mistake I won’t make is pretending that sexual harassment is an issue we can afford to ignore. It’s real and pervasive. It’s damaging and unfair.

In the past few days, I’ve heard male media members I like and respect suggest that it is not our duty as journalists to investigate and analyze the merits of the allegations leveled against Favre.

Wow. We’ve gotten so comfortable in the big house that we’ve lost sight of who we are as journalists. We now want to pick and choose when we stand against clear acts of unfairness. We want to unethically protect a male-dominated environment that favors us.

Today is going to be a trip. A bunch of sexist pigs are going to hold an all-day seminar explaining how we can move beyond this isolated incidence of alleged sexism and get back to football.

 
I don't think they are going to be able to prove conclusively that he sent the text and that's all they have for sexual harassment. This case goes away and people will just forget about it.
Nothing has to be "proven conclusively." That's not the standard for a suspension. I don't think anything was proven conclusively with Roethlisberger, for example.I don't think Favre will be suspended. But a lot of the reasons people are giving for that same conclusion are off-base, IMO.
They didn't have to prove that Ben was at the bar, but they do have to prove that it's Favre's peen.
I don't think anyone has to prove anything. Goodell and his staff do an investigation, they interview people involved who will meet with them voluntarily, they review the evidence available to them and they make a decision.
 
IF, and yes at this stage I don't know if the allegations are true. However, for those that mow lawns for a living, the alleged type of behavior is a blatant case of sexual harassment.

The NFL could definitely suspend Favre if guilty of acts of sexual harassment as blatant and egregious as the alleged incidents.

What Favre allegedly did is no different than the following:

I work at a corporation that has policies against sexual harassment as does the NFL. Say I have a "hot" secretary who goes out with a lot of guys. I call her into my office and give her an 8x10 naked picture of myself and say "what do you think?" She is not offended and laughs at the incident. In fact she thinks its funny and shows the picture to some of her friends at work. I also send the secretary some text messages that say "do you want to hook up?". Again, she is not offended and shows these messages to a friend. Word gets around and now Human Resources has seen the picture and the text messages. An investigation is performed. The secretary was never offended and we never had a romantic relationship. As these facts come out, I would be at a minimum suspended from my job and most likely fired. My employer is not unique and many companies have the same policies.

Perhaps there is more to the story and perhaps some of the allegations are not true. However, if true (and email messages are easy to forensically trace), Favre will have violated the NFL's personal conduct policy. I

 
per Chris Mortensen:

Filed to ESPN that Favre apologized to team this morning for being a distraction but planned to play lights out vs. Jets.

:banned:

 
CletiusMaximus said:
I don't think they are going to be able to prove conclusively that he sent the text and that's all they have for sexual harassment. This case goes away and people will just forget about it.
Nothing has to be "proven conclusively." That's not the standard for a suspension. I don't think anything was proven conclusively with Roethlisberger, for example.I don't think Favre will be suspended. But a lot of the reasons people are giving for that same conclusion are off-base, IMO.
They didn't have to prove that Ben was at the bar, but they do have to prove that it's Favre's peen.
I don't think anyone has to prove anything. Goodell and his staff do an investigation, they interview people involved who will meet with them voluntarily, they review the evidence available to them and they make a decision.
All they have to do is talk to Brett. He's said he's open to talking to Goodell. Brett won't lie about it. That's one thing about him is he's sometimes too honest for his own good. If it's his schlong he'll tell Goodell it's his.
 
Unless the NFL makes Favre drop his pants in front of the Commish, I don't see how they can prove 100% that it's him.
Without getting too graphic; if Ireland can ask Dez Bryant if his mother is a prostitute, why couldn't Goddell ask Favre's wife if that is his appendage? Yes, of course I am kidding, but the NFL does have to deal with this somehow. It's definitely beyond the point where it can be swept under the rug.
 
What exactly would he be suspended for? The personal conduct policy is supposed to be for repeated offenses, and he wont even be charged in any court of law.
I'm guessing sexual harassment. I don't think the NFL needs to wait for a legal charge to be handed down, though. Roethlisberger wasn't charged and he got hit with four games.
Ben was a repeat offender..
Correction: Ben was accused twice.
 
What exactly would he be suspended for? The personal conduct policy is supposed to be for repeated offenses, and he wont even be charged in any court of law.
He doesn't have to be criminally charged to violate the personal conduct policy of the NFL. I have to wonder if the Williams' boys suspension that the NFL could never carry out have anything to do with how the NFL handles this matter. Will another Minnesota judge step in and stop this one too?
He is supposed to have multiple incidents to trigger the policy.
Not true at all.
Actually I believe it is true. Two Massage Therapists have come forward as well.
 
The issue is the sexual harassment. Favre and Sterger were both Jets employees and Sterger was being propositioned by a person that could have a huge impact, positively or negatively, on her career. That's pretty much textbook for harassment plus it's my understanding the NFL has some additional stipulations about sexual relations between players and other employees (e.g. cheerleaders). For people that are saying there's no harassment in those messages, give me a frigging break. He's calling her and asking her to come hang out at his hotel room. What do you think that means? Play some Monopoly? You can argue the calls are fake (though I think it's pretty weak explanation), but I think what he's asking for (and therefore the harassment) is pretty obvious.
:goodposting: My company takes the issue seriously enough to the point of requiring employees to attend sexual harrassment awareness training. Even seemingy innocuous comments like "you look nice today" can be construed as sexual harrassment, at least by our HR department. After the training I was afraid to say much more than "good morning" to female coworkers.What Favre has supposedly done goes way beyond what any reasonable person would deem as sexual harrassment. If Goodell has evidence that these "sextings" really occurred then he pretty much has to hand out some form of discipline to show the NFL is serious about their sexual harrassment policy. A fine and/or a one-game suspension would probably send the message and would probably not be appealed by Favre who certainly would like this to go away ASAP.
 
A: doesn't matter if he is a first time offender ... this falls under the statute of workplace harassment and if it is him will be punished whether Peter King thinks it should be or not.

B: I would text pics of my dong to Jenn Sterger if I had her number as well :goodposting:

 
What exactly would he be suspended for? The personal conduct policy is supposed to be for repeated offenses, and he wont even be charged in any court of law.
He doesn't have to be criminally charged to violate the personal conduct policy of the NFL. I have to wonder if the Williams' boys suspension that the NFL could never carry out have anything to do with how the NFL handles this matter. Will another Minnesota judge step in and stop this one too?
He is supposed to have multiple incidents to trigger the policy.
Not true at all.
Actually I believe it is true. Two Massage Therapists have come forward as well.
Nope. Schefter was just on this morning saying one incident is enough.
 
Attention whore move by some girl with a fake rack. Move on....
Sterger?Interesting as she has not been out front in this...she discussed it with the deadspin guy "off the record" like 2 years ago.He is coming out with it...not her.That said with this...I have no clue. If its true, at best its a dumb thing to do. At worst the NFL takes action and so does his wife. And I still laugh at the crocs part of this story.
 
What exactly would he be suspended for? The personal conduct policy is supposed to be for repeated offenses, and he wont even be charged in any court of law.
I'm guessing sexual harassment. I don't think the NFL needs to wait for a legal charge to be handed down, though. Roethlisberger wasn't charged and he got hit with four games.
Ben was a repeat offender..
Correction: Ben was accused twice.
Correction, Ben admitted twice to being out getting hammered with women in the VIP room, and that at least 1 was under age.. which is enough alone.... never mind what he did in the bathroom...
 
I never thought sexting was such a serious offense. Goodell is getting a little Machiavellian with his authority.

 
A: doesn't matter if he is a first time offender ... this falls under the statute of workplace harassment and if it is him will be punished whether Peter King thinks it should be or not.B: I would text pics of my dong to Jenn Sterger if I had her number as well :)
lol
 
I never thought sexting was such a serious offense. Goodell is getting a little Machiavellian with his authority.
If it was unwanted...while she was an employee of the team he played for...do you think it is not under the authority of the league?Was it with his "packer issued" cell phone from 2007?
 
Here is how the NCAA would handle it:

Nothing happens to Favre.

Nothing happens to the Vikings.

The New York Jets get put on a 2 year probation. No playoffs, and half their draft picks are taken away. This is punishment for fostering an environment that allowed this sort of thing to happen.

 
The issue is the sexual harassment. Favre and Sterger were both Jets employees and Sterger was being propositioned by a person that could have a huge impact, positively or negatively, on her career. That's pretty much textbook for harassment plus it's my understanding the NFL has some additional stipulations about sexual relations between players and other employees (e.g. cheerleaders). For people that are saying there's no harassment in those messages, give me a frigging break. He's calling her and asking her to come hang out at his hotel room. What do you think that means? Play some Monopoly? You can argue the calls are fake (though I think it's pretty weak explanation), but I think what he's asking for (and therefore the harassment) is pretty obvious.
:) My company takes the issue seriously enough to the point of requiring employees to attend sexual harrassment awareness training. Even seemingy innocuous comments like "you look nice today" can be construed as sexual harrassment, at least by our HR department. After the training I was afraid to say much more than "good morning" to female coworkers.What Favre has supposedly done goes way beyond what any reasonable person would deem as sexual harrassment. If Goodell has evidence that these "sextings" really occurred then he pretty much has to hand out some form of discipline to show the NFL is serious about their sexual harrassment policy. A fine and/or a one-game suspension would probably send the message and would probably not be appealed by Favre who certainly would like this to go away ASAP.
Yeah, it's a messed up world when you can't even tell a female co-worker that she looks nice today without it being miscontrued that you want to get in her pants or skirt or whatever she's wearing.
 

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