Favre could end the season on suspension (1 Viewer)

[ookook]

"Gee Brett, I don't know. I have heard you have really big, you know, hands. Could you send me some pics and then maybe we could talk about it some more later?"

 

[TobiasFunke]

At one point do athletes lose their privacy and freedom?

Athletes lose some of their privacy and freedom when they willingly become professional athletes, because they're willingly becoming public figures and thus lose some of the legal protections that others enjoy.But that's not even remotely relevant here. This particular athlete lost his privacy right when he left sent a chick crotch pictures and left her voicemails. He doesn't have a right to protect his privacy in something he willingly disseminates. For that matter, neither do you- if you send a picture or voicemail to someone else, they can do whatever the heck they want with it. Not sure what "freedom" has to do with anything. He's free to send all the crotch pictures and leave all the messages he wants. The recipients are free to do with them as they please.

 

[Bayhawks]

There is certainly not conclusive evidence. I never said there was. The poster wasn't just saying Roethlisberger was innocent of any criminal charges- he actually said that there's no proof that Roethlisberger even had sex with that girl. I suppose that's true in the sense that there's never any definitive proof of anything that happens between two people and isn't videotaped ... but if you've seen the Smoking Gun docs and pictures and you don't think they even had sex, I'd be curious to know whose, umm, genetic material you think they're swabbing off the bathroom wall. All I know is that three different women have accused Roethlisberger of improper and aggressive sexual advances. That's not proof of anything, of course, but it's pretty much unprecedented.to my knowledge for a completely innocent man to get three such accusations against him. No idea what goes on in Goodell's office, but comparing Roethlisberger's behavior and how it makes the league look (which is really Goodell's main or even only concern) to Benson or the other people the guy listed whose improper behavior I don't even know about is silly.

There is no proof that he had sex with her. If it was Ben's DNA, I'd imagine that would have been in the report, don't you?Three women, one of whom has been completely discredited, one who changed her story several times, and one who waited a year to sue Roethlisberger. That could be 3 crimes, or it could be money grabs, or it could be both. Acting like you know which is true is pointless.

 

[Godsbrother]

Whether or not a "crime" was committed is 100% irrelevant. The difficulty comes from thinking you or any of us can judge Goodell's decision by the limited information that is available to us. We can't, because we don't know what he knows nor do we know the basis for his decision. He doesn't have to justify his decision to us, and he didn't. Therefore, while I agree it is an interesting and worthwhile topic to discuss on a message board or at the water cooler, I think we all have to recognize that we are all just speculating and I think Goodell and his decision deserve some deference. He's a smart guy. He didn't just fall out of bed one day and get named the NFL commissioner. He's not going to make a decision like that lightly, based on conjecture or guesswork.

The only judgement I will make on Goodell is that he is trying to protect the NFL and is doing what he thinks is in it's best interest. Whether or not Roethlisberger or Favre is guilty probably doesn't mean a whole lot to him. What does matter is the NFL and it's image. If a player does something that damages the image of the league then Goodell is going to take action. I have no problem with that.That is why I think in Favre's case if it dies quickly then Goodell won't take action. If it persists and stays in the media then he may be forced to discipline Favre.

 

[TobiasFunke]

There is certainly not conclusive evidence. I never said there was. The poster wasn't just saying Roethlisberger was innocent of any criminal charges- he actually said that there's no proof that Roethlisberger even had sex with that girl. I suppose that's true in the sense that there's never any definitive proof of anything that happens between two people and isn't videotaped ... but if you've seen the Smoking Gun docs and pictures and you don't think they even had sex, I'd be curious to know whose, umm, genetic material you think they're swabbing off the bathroom wall. All I know is that three different women have accused Roethlisberger of improper and aggressive sexual advances. That's not proof of anything, of course, but it's pretty much unprecedented.to my knowledge for a completely innocent man to get three such accusations against him. No idea what goes on in Goodell's office, but comparing Roethlisberger's behavior and how it makes the league look (which is really Goodell's main or even only concern) to Benson or the other people the guy listed whose improper behavior I don't even know about is silly.

There is no proof that he had sex with her. If it was Ben's DNA, I'd imagine that would have been in the report, don't you?Three women, one of whom has been completely discredited, one who changed her story several times, and one who waited a year to sue Roethlisberger. That could be 3 crimes, or it could be money grabs, or it could be both. Acting like you know which is true is pointless.

What report are you talking about?I'm not acting like I know what's true. I'm simply saying that three different women have accused him of making unwanted aggressive sexual advances that border on or cross the line of sexual assault. That's 100% fact- those accusations were made, and they were made by three different women with no connection to each other. I'm also saying that I'm not aware of any other person in history being accused of such things by three different people without their being some truth to the accusations. That's also 100% fact- I don't know of such a person. But feel free to tell me about one. Then it would no longer be 100% fact.That doesn't make him guilty of anything. But it makes it reasonable for me (not a jury, not even the Commissioner's office, just me) to conclude that he's probably a sexual predator.

 

[fatness]

At one point do athletes lose their privacy and freedom?

When they send unsolicited pictures of their penis to women employed by the team.

 

[fatness]

That is why I think in Favre's case if it dies quickly then Goodell won't take action. If it persists and stays in the media then he may be forced to discipline Favre.

The way for it to die quickly is for Favre to offer Jenn Sterger a bunch of money right now -- to end the talk as soon as possible without further damaging "his legacy". Not sure what Deanna would think about that, though.

 

[hauser42]

What exactly would he be suspended for? The personal conduct policy is supposed to be for repeated offenses, and he wont even be charged in any court of law.

He doesn't have to be criminally charged to violate the personal conduct policy of the NFL. I have to wonder if the Williams' boys suspension that the NFL could never carry out have anything to do with how the NFL handles this matter. Will another Minnesota judge step in and stop this one too?

The Williams sister's have been allowed to skirt the system for far too long. I cant believe that havent had to sit out their games. They are employees of the NFL and should be held to those rules, everyone else has had to. NFLPA should also back off and realize they are setting a back example for other player. NFLPA agreed to the testing and what was banned, and now they want to go back on the contract for these two guys. Wonder how other players feel that these two guys are allowed to get off with this crime.

 

[TommyGilmore]

The way for it to die quickly is for Favre to offer Jenn Sterger a bunch of money right now -- to end the talk as soon as possible without further damaging "his legacy". Not sure what Deanna would think about that, though.

She knows it's the cost of doing business. $100K to Sterger makes this ALL go away. Otherwise you're looking at MONTHS of drawn out court proceedings, accusations, depositions, and the Favre family being dragged through the mud. It's in everyone's best interest for Sterger to get a payoff here.

 

[az_prof]

What exactly would he be suspended for? The personal conduct policy is supposed to be for repeated offenses, and he wont even be charged in any court of law.

He doesn't have to be criminally charged to violate the personal conduct policy of the NFL. I have to wonder if the Williams' boys suspension that the NFL could never carry out have anything to do with how the NFL handles this matter. Will another Minnesota judge step in and stop this one too?

The Williams sister's have been allowed to skirt the system for far too long. I cant believe that havent had to sit out their games. They are employees of the NFL and should be held to those rules, everyone else has had to. NFLPA should also back off and realize they are setting a back example for other player. NFLPA agreed to the testing and what was banned, and now they want to go back on the contract for these two guys. Wonder how other players feel that these two guys are allowed to get off with this crime.

The question in fact is whether or not they ARE employees of the NFL, or of their team. It isn't a light matter because at issue is the NFL's anti-trust exemption that effectively allows them to function as a monopoly. Also at issue is what legal jurisdiction player's work under--state law or federal. PED usage is serious but so are anti-trust issues. You say NFLPA agreed to the testing and what was banned, but in this case, the substance that they used wasn't expressly forbidden. It wasn't on the list of banned products. Can you hold someone responsible when the NFL didn't make it clear what was forbidden?

 

[CletiusMaximus]

The way for it to die quickly is for Favre to offer Jenn Sterger a bunch of money right now -- to end the talk as soon as possible without further damaging "his legacy". Not sure what Deanna would think about that, though.

She knows it's the cost of doing business. $100K to Sterger makes this ALL go away. Otherwise you're looking at MONTHS of drawn out court proceedings, accusations, depositions, and the Favre family being dragged through the mud. It's in everyone's best interest for Sterger to get a payoff here.

What have you heard or read that remotely suggests this is heading toward court proceedings and depositions, particularly involving Favre's family?

 

[TommyGilmore]

The way for it to die quickly is for Favre to offer Jenn Sterger a bunch of money right now -- to end the talk as soon as possible without further damaging "his legacy". Not sure what Deanna would think about that, though.

She knows it's the cost of doing business. $100K to Sterger makes this ALL go away. Otherwise you're looking at MONTHS of drawn out court proceedings, accusations, depositions, and the Favre family being dragged through the mud. It's in everyone's best interest for Sterger to get a payoff here.

What have you heard or read that remotely suggests this is heading toward court proceedings and depositions, particularly involving Favre's family?

Just speculation based on Sterger's actions. Sterger says she wants "proper resolution" and yet she never filed an official complaint, never went to the police, and she waited 2 years before making a public statement. It's pretty clear to me that she wants money. And her only leverage is the threat of embarrassment to Favre and his family.

 

[dparker713]

What exactly would he be suspended for? The personal conduct policy is supposed to be for repeated offenses, and he wont even be charged in any court of law.

He doesn't have to be criminally charged to violate the personal conduct policy of the NFL. I have to wonder if the Williams' boys suspension that the NFL could never carry out have anything to do with how the NFL handles this matter. Will another Minnesota judge step in and stop this one too?

The Williams sister's have been allowed to skirt the system for far too long. I cant believe that havent had to sit out their games. They are employees of the NFL and should be held to those rules, everyone else has had to. NFLPA should also back off and realize they are setting a back example for other player. NFLPA agreed to the testing and what was banned, and now they want to go back on the contract for these two guys. Wonder how other players feel that these two guys are allowed to get off with this crime.

The question in fact is whether or not they ARE employees of the NFL, or of their team. It isn't a light matter because at issue is the NFL's anti-trust exemption that effectively allows them to function as a monopoly. Also at issue is what legal jurisdiction player's work under--state law or federal. PED usage is serious but so are anti-trust issues. You say NFLPA agreed to the testing and what was banned, but in this case, the substance that they used wasn't expressly forbidden. It wasn't on the list of banned products. Can you hold someone responsible when the NFL didn't make it clear what was forbidden?

Favre was an employee of the Jets, and is now and employee of the Vikings. He has never been an employee of the NFL.MLB is the only professional sport that has an anti-trust exemption. The NFL's most recent attempt at circumventing anti-trust laws was soundly defeated in the American Needle case.

 

[Bayhawks]

What report are you talking about?

I'm talking about the DA report. If Ben's "genetic material" was on the BR walls, then I'd imagine that would be in their report, right? Since it doesn't, your attempt to suggest that it WAS his genetic material with this remark:

but if you've seen the Smoking Gun docs and pictures and you don't think they even had sex, I'd be curious to know whose, umm, genetic material you think they're swabbing off the bathroom wall?

rings untrue.

I'm not acting like I know what's true. I'm simply saying that three different women have accused him of making unwanted aggressive sexual advances that border on or cross the line of sexual assault. That's 100% fact- those accusations were made, and they were made by three different women with no connection to each other. I'm also saying that I'm not aware of any other person in history being accused of such things by three different people without their being some truth to the accusations. That's also 100% fact- I don't know of such a person. But feel free to tell me about one. Then it would no longer be 100% fact.

I don't know of a single man who has been accused by 3 different women (with no connection to each other) of sexual assault, never even had any charges brought against him with regards to those 3 women, and was ever proven to have done what he was accused of. That is 100% fact. But feel free to tell me about one. Then it would no longer be 100% fact.See, it works both ways. These women could all be telling the truth, b/c Ben's a jerk & did what they claim. Or they could all be making it up, for different reasons. Just because you don't know of an example of this happening before without the man being guilty doesn't mean he is guilty. Because, you also don't know of an example where he was accused, not charged, and proven to have done it.

That doesn't make him guilty of anything. But it makes it reasonable for me (not a jury, not even the Commissioner's office, just me) to conclude that he's probably a sexual predator.

I suppose you could say it is reasonable, but it's not logical.

 

[ookook]

She is going to get a lot more than $100,000 from Favre to be quiet and avoid civil suit. We will never know, but I am guessing 2.2 million.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I'm not acting like I know what's true. I'm simply saying that three different women have accused him of making unwanted aggressive sexual advances that border on or cross the line of sexual assault. That's 100% fact- those accusations were made, and they were made by three different women with no connection to each other. I'm also saying that I'm not aware of any other person in history being accused of such things by three different people without their being some truth to the accusations. That's also 100% fact- I don't know of such a person. But feel free to tell me about one. Then it would no longer be 100% fact.

I don't know of a single man who has been accused by 3 different women (with no connection to each other) of sexual assault, never even had any charges brought against him with regards to those 3 women, and was ever proven to have done what he was accused of. That is 100% fact. But feel free to tell me about one. Then it would no longer be 100% fact.See, it works both ways. These women could all be telling the truth, b/c Ben's a jerk & did what they claim. Or they could all be making it up, for different reasons. Just because you don't know of an example of this happening before without the man being guilty doesn't mean he is guilty. Because, you also don't know of an example where he was accused, not charged, and proven to have done it.

That doesn't make him guilty of anything. But it makes it reasonable for me (not a jury, not even the Commissioner's office, just me) to conclude that he's probably a sexual predator.

I suppose you could say it is reasonable, but it's not logical.

What you say in the bolded implies nothing and is basically gibberish. If A happened a million times and B was true every time A happened, I might hazard a guess that if A happened, B was true once again. It certainly doesn't make it B definitely true. Certainly there could be other variables that differentiate this case of A and B from most of the million other cases (like say if A was a famous guy with a lot of money-definitely a fair variable). But it makes it both reasonable and logical for me to think that B is probably true.

Now let's say A = three different chicks who don't know each other at all accuse a guy of being a sexual predator, and B = that guy is a sexual predator. I certainly wouldn't necessarily convict a guy of B beyond a reasonable doubt based on A. But it's a completely logical and reasonable for me to think to myself based on A occurring for the million and first time that yeah, B probably is the truth.

What you say in the bolded is that A has never happened. Great. But there is no conclusion that can be drawn from that.

 

[Bayhawks]

What you say in the bolded implies nothing and is basically gibberish.

If A happened a million times and B was true every time A happened, I might hazard a guess that if A happened, B was true once again. It certainly doesn't make it B definitely true. Certainly there could be other variables that differentiate this case of A and B from most of the million other cases (like say if A was a famous guy with a lot of money-definitely a fair variable). But it makes it both reasonable and logical for me to think that B is probably true.

Now let's say A = three different chicks who don't know each other at all accuse a guy of being a sexual predator, and B = that guy is a sexual predator. I certainly wouldn't necessarily convict a guy of B beyond a reasonable doubt based on A. But it's a completely logical and reasonable for me to think to myself based on A occurring for the million and first time that yeah, B probably is the truth.

What you say in the bolded is that A has never happened. Great. But there is no conclusion that can be drawn from that.

But A hasn't happened a million times, and we don't know B is true every time it happens, so WTH are you talking about? You tried to say because you've never heard of a man being accused of sexual assault 3 times by 3 different women, and not doing it, that that leads you to assume Ben is a sexual predator. My point was that you've never heard of it because it's a freak thing. You've also never heard of a man being falsely accused by 3 different women, not being charged, and being found innocent. Again, because that isn't a normal situation, either. So trying to apply the "I've never heard of it before" argument is baseless, because you've never heard of a guy in that exact situation being guilty, either.

 

[fatness]

She is going to get a lot more than $100,000 from Favre to be quiet and avoid civil suit. We will never know, but I am guessing 2.2 million.

He got a $3 million raise this year so he's got that to work with. Unless his tractor needs fixin' or he needs new jeans.

 

[TommyGilmore]

She is going to get a lot more than $100,000 from Favre to be quiet and avoid civil suit. We will never know, but I am guessing 2.2 million.

Does Sterger even have grounds for a civil suit? What's the statute of limitations for dong pics?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I already answered the bolded, you're choosing to ignore it. As for me not knowing what facts Goodell has; you don't know either, but you're assuming that it's fair that he suspended him, aren't you?

I pushed nothing as fact.. you're trying hard to build a strawman here, it's obvious you have man love for Ben, even though he is a scum bag... On the other hand, you're the one stating "facts".. And as I've already shown you for which you don't answer for, you're wrong... But follow further, lets check your cred...

For the record, in the letter Goodell released about Ben's suspension, the only thing he noted as being a "wrong act" was the buying of drinks for minors. Nothing was mentioned about the bathroom, or what did/didn't happen in there. Officially, the only act that was detrimental to the NFL was the drinks for minors. That is a fact.

Fact? Goodell did not state that serving an underage girl drinks was the only wrong act. And did not say the drinks were the only acts detrimental to the league.. You're "facts" are manufacturedX

He was arrested in 2008 for boating while drunk AND RESISTING ARREST. He became physically combative with the police who arrested him. So that is "recurring behavior."

This portion regarding Benson... lol, Benson did not become physical, or combative... He refused to go, and had to be carried. He struck no one, he pushed no one, he didn't even get in anyone's face... On top of that, all charges were dropped... Police don't drop charges when someone get physically combative, they add charges.. What the he-ll are you talking about? "Phisically combative with the police"

XX

Not sure if you're making this up or what, but Benson was the one who threw the 1st punch (shove) in that bar.

Benson was attacked in the bar because he was taking pictures with and flirting with girls who had come with someone else. He then defended himself.. XXX

When I say you're being ignorant, that's not an insult, that's an opinion/fact. Ignorance means lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact, or uninformed. Your posts show you to be both of those.

When I say your argument is stupid, that's not an insult, that's an opinion/fact.

The only time I insulted you was in my first post, when I called you an idiot, and based on what you've posted since, I stand by that.

Based on everything I've heard and seen from you, sounds like it's time for you to do some self evaluation...

 

[identikit]

Down goes Favre:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_...?urn=nfl-276794

 

[fatness]

She is going to get a lot more than $100,000 from Favre to be quiet and avoid civil suit. We will never know, but I am guessing 2.2 million.

Does Sterger even have grounds for a civil suit? What's the statute of limitations for dong pics?

Beats me. There's been no talk of a civil suit that I know of, besides a few pundits guessing.

 

[Bayhawks]

I already answered the bolded, you're choosing to ignore it. As for me not knowing what facts Goodell has; you don't know either, but you're assuming that it's fair that he suspended him, aren't you?

I pushed nothing as fact.. you're trying hard to build a strawman here, it's obvious you have man love for Ben, even though he is a scum bag... On the other hand, you're the one stating "facts".. And as I've already shown you for which you don't answer for, you're wrong... But follow further, lets check your cred...

For the record, in the letter Goodell released about Ben's suspension, the only thing he noted as being a "wrong act" was the buying of drinks for minors. Nothing was mentioned about the bathroom, or what did/didn't happen in there. Officially, the only act that was detrimental to the NFL was the drinks for minors. That is a fact.

Fact? Goodell did not state that serving an underage girl drinks was the only wrong act. And did not say the drinks were the only acts detrimental to the league.. You're "facts" are manufacturedX

Manufactured? Here's the only part of Goodell's letter that mentions any wrongdoing by Roethlisberger.

the extensive investigatory record shows that you contributed to the irresponsible consumption of alcohol by purchasing (or facilitating the purchase of) alcoholic beverages for underage college students, at least some of whom were likely already intoxicated.

Here's the link:Link

That is the only thing Goodell mentions in his letter about what Ben did wrong. He didn't mention sexual assault, rape, sex in a bathroom, none of that. All he mentioned was buying drinks for minors. And this article was from April. So, if I "manufactured" this, I must have been planning this for 6 months!!!! Wow, I'm good.

You're wrong, face it.

I'm not going to bother looking up the links for the other ways you attacked my "cred." I've proved what I've posted, you haven't. You can keep making stuff up, without any facts, evidence, support, or links to back it up, but as I've already shown, you have no idea what you're talking about. You're just throwing stuff against the wall, hoping some of it sticks.

 

[fochs13]

Down goes Favre:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_...?urn=nfl-276794

Thanks for that. It made my day.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I already answered the bolded, you're choosing to ignore it. As for me not knowing what facts Goodell has; you don't know either, but you're assuming that it's fair that he suspended him, aren't you?

I pushed nothing as fact.. you're trying hard to build a strawman here, it's obvious you have man love for Ben, even though he is a scum bag... On the other hand, you're the one stating "facts".. And as I've already shown you for which you don't answer for, you're wrong... But follow further, lets check your cred...

For the record, in the letter Goodell released about Ben's suspension, the only thing he noted as being a "wrong act" was the buying of drinks for minors. Nothing was mentioned about the bathroom, or what did/didn't happen in there. Officially, the only act that was detrimental to the NFL was the drinks for minors. That is a fact.

Fact? Goodell did not state that serving an underage girl drinks was the only wrong act. And did not say the drinks were the only acts detrimental to the league.. You're "facts" are manufacturedX

Manufactured? Here's the only part of Goodell's letter that mentions any wrongdoing by Roethlisberger.

the extensive investigatory record shows that you contributed to the irresponsible consumption of alcohol by purchasing (or facilitating the purchase of) alcoholic beverages for underage college students, at least some of whom were likely already intoxicated.

Here's the link:Link

That is the only thing Goodell mentions in his letter about what Ben did wrong. He didn't mention sexual assault, rape, sex in a bathroom, none of that. All he mentioned was buying drinks for minors. And this article was from April. So, if I "manufactured" this, I must have been planning this for 6 months!!!! Wow, I'm good.

You're wrong, face it.

I'm not going to bother looking up the links for the other ways you attacked my "cred." I've proved what I've posted, you haven't. You can keep making stuff up, without any facts, evidence, support, or links to back it up, but as I've already shown, you have no idea what you're talking about. You're just throwing stuff against the wall, hoping some of it sticks.

I've read the whole article... BTW, that wasn't the letter from Goodell, an article that quotes portions of the letter.. No conclusive evidence there that Goodell says the drinks were the ONLY thing Ben did wrong, as you're claiming to be fact... And the reason you don't post links to your other false claims... Because they're false... lol

 

[Bayhawks]

I've read the whole article... BTW, that wasn't the letter from Goodell, an article that quotes portions of the letter.. No conclusive evidence there that Goodell says the drinks were the ONLY thing Ben did wrong, as you're claiming to be fact... And the reason you don't post links to your other false claims... Because they're false... lol

You didn't read it very well, then. That article contains the text of the letter that was sent to Roethlisberger, and the only mention of any wrong-doing by Ben was the purchase of drinks for minors.You can keep denying it, but you're still wrong.As for not posting links to the other claims, in case you didn't notice, you didn't post any links to your assertions that Benson did nothing wrong in any of his arrests. I guess that must be because they're false, huh, lol.You keep making stuff up, and denying the facts. Unless you can provide some proof, (which you won't be able to), I'm done with you.

 

[DoubleG]

Down goes Favre:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_...?urn=nfl-276794

Thrown by his wife?The funny thing is how everyone just kind of ignores him.

 

[Jeremy]

She is going to get a lot more than $100,000 from Favre to be quiet and avoid civil suit. We will never know, but I am guessing 2.2 million.

I have no idea what the number will be, but I agree it's going to be a lot more than 100 grand. Favre is still a mostly beloved athlete and it's always going to be more comfortable for people to put the blame on HER than on Favre. I can't imagine this is good for her career, unless she wants a career doing cheesy reality TV shows and posing for men's magazines.

 

[sho nuff]

229 posts in a Favre thread and this is only my 4th? What is this world coming to?

 

[roadkill1292]

She is going to get a lot more than $100,000 from Favre to be quiet and avoid civil suit. We will never know, but I am guessing 2.2 million.

I have no idea what the number will be, but I agree it's going to be a lot more than 100 grand. Favre is still a mostly beloved athlete and it's always going to be more comfortable for people to put the blame on HER than on Favre. I can't imagine this is good for her career, unless she wants a career doing cheesy reality TV shows and posing for men's magazines.

I think those are exactly her career goals.Please don't take it to mean that I think she's necessarily the shrewd instigator in all this. But getting her name out there in a big way is precisely what untalented people do to make a career jump in "show biz."

 

[Spike]

Unless the NFL makes Favre drop his pants in front of the Commish, I don't see how they can prove 100% that it's him.

From Porky's:Balbricker: Now, Mr. Carter. I know this is completely unorthodox. But I think this is the only way to find that boy. Now that <unit> had a mole on it - I'd recognize that <unit> anywhere. In spite of the juvenile snickers of some, this is a serious matter. That seducer and despoiler must be stopped; he's extremely dangerous. And, Mr. Carter, I'm certain that everyone in this room knows who that is. He's a contemptible little pervert who...

Mr. Carter: Miss Balbricker!

Balbricker: Well, I'm sorry, but I've got him now, and I'm not going to let him slip through my fingers again. Now, all I'm asking is that you give me five boys for a few minutes. The coaches can be present - Tommy Turner and any four boys you see fit to choose and we... and we... can put a stop to this menace. And it is a menace.

[pause]

Balbricker: Well, what are you gonna do about it?

Mr. Carter: Five young boys in the nude, a police line-up so that you can identify his tallywhacker. Please, please can we call it a "tallywhacker"? <unit> is so ppp... <unit> is so personal.

Balbricker: We can put hoods over their heads to avoid embarrassment. Now listen: we have got to do it, as distasteful as it is. I know it's him. That

[pause]

Balbricker: tallywhacker had a mole on it. And that mole is the key to it.

Mr. Carter: Miss Balbricker, do you realize the difficulty of your request? Now, I would be very happy to, uh, to apprehend the young man myself. But can you imagine what the board of education would say if you were granted a line-up in order to examine their private pa... their private parts for an incriminating mole?

Balbricker: But Mr. Carter.

Coach Brakett: Mr. Carter, I think I have a way out of this. We, uh, call the police, and we have 'em send over one of their sketch artists. And Miss Balbricker can give a description. We can put up "Wanted" posters all over school... "Have you seen this #####? Report immediately to Beulah Balbricker. Do not attempt to apprehend this #####, as it is armed and dangerous. It was last seen hanging out in the girls' locker room at Angel Beach High School."

 

[John 14:6]

Down goes Favre:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_...?urn=nfl-276794

Thanks for that. It made my day.

[Homer]But football in the going has football in the groin[/Homer]

(I can laugh because I had a vasectomy last Thursday and I've been in more pain than that all week...)

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I've read the whole article... BTW, that wasn't the letter from Goodell, an article that quotes portions of the letter.. No conclusive evidence there that Goodell says the drinks were the ONLY thing Ben did wrong, as you're claiming to be fact... And the reason you don't post links to your other false claims... Because they're false... lol

You didn't read it very well, then. That article contains the text of the letter that was sent to Roethlisberger, and the only mention of any wrong-doing by Ben was the purchase of drinks for minors.You can keep denying it, but you're still wrong.As for not posting links to the other claims, in case you didn't notice, you didn't post any links to your assertions that Benson did nothing wrong in any of his arrests. I guess that must be because they're false, huh, lol.You keep making stuff up, and denying the facts. Unless you can provide some proof, (which you won't be able to), I'm done with you.

You're the one that brought up Benson and made claims... prove yourself... And again I'll say, the letter did not say that the ONLY thing Ben did wrong was buy drinks... And the article you provided didn't contain the whole letter...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

229 posts in a Favre thread and this is only my 4th? What is this world coming to?

I was wondering where you were?... You been on vacation? lol

 

[az_prof]

She is going to get a lot more than $100,000 from Favre to be quiet and avoid civil suit. We will never know, but I am guessing 2.2 million.

I have no idea what the number will be, but I agree it's going to be a lot more than 100 grand. Favre is still a mostly beloved athlete and it's always going to be more comfortable for people to put the blame on HER than on Favre. I can't imagine this is good for her career, unless she wants a career doing cheesy reality TV shows and posing for men's magazines.

What else is she going to do? I think this is exactly what she wants.

 

[sho nuff]

229 posts in a Favre thread and this is only my 4th? What is this world coming to?

I was wondering where you were?... You been on vacation? lol

Nag...just laying low in favre threads...especially this one.

 

[Bayhawks]

You're the one that brought up Benson and made claims... prove yourself...

Proof that Benson punched a bartender who never struck him

Bartender Bryan White told police that once outside, Benson complained to people passing by that "all these white boys are ganging up on me and kicking me out."

White said he told Benson he wouldn't take time out of his night just to kick him out, then Benson punched him in the face.

Benson got into an argument in the bar, and was escorted out. When he claimed that it was based on race ("all these white boys are ganging up on me") the bartender told him that wasn't the case, so Benson punched him in the face. Benson hit him, that bartender never struck him.There's your proof that you were wrong about the bar fight in Texas.

Proof that Benson was physically aggressive with police in 2008

Sergeant Leonard Snyder wrote that Benson refused to come ashore for additional tests and "stood up from the position where I had him seated and suggested I could not tell him what to do."

Upon telling Benson he was under arrest and about to be put in handcuffs, "I touched his body in an attempt to direct him, and he presented himself in a very hostile way,''

Refusing to follow police instruction, telling a police officer that he "could not tell him what to do," and presented himself in a very hostile way. Direct from the police report, proof that you were wrong about the BWI arrest.

And again I'll say, the letter did not say that the ONLY thing Ben did wrong was buy drinks... And the article you provided didn't contain the whole letter...

Yes, that's all you do is say things that aren't true. How about this, since I've proven everything I've said, why don't you try proving just one thing? Please, post me a link that shows ANYWHERE else in the Goodell letter where he mentions Ben having sex with that girl, going into the bathroom, his bodyguard holding back her friends, anything else you've said Ben did? If you can provide even one example of Goodell mentioning anything like that in his letter to Ben, I will post that I was wrong about everything I've said, and that you were right, okay? I know that you won't take me up on that offer, though, because you won't be able to find specific mention of anything else. Goodell suggests that Ben didn't act appropriate, that he wasn't being responsible or acting consistently with the value of the league or the expectations of the fans. But the only thing he specifically cites as violating the personal conduct policy was the purchase of alcohol for minors.

So go ahead, prove ONE THING that you've tried to pass off as fact in this thread. You won't be able to, but you'll probably post some other random crap to try to call attention away from the stupidity of your beliefs.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

You're the one that brought up Benson and made claims... prove yourself...

Proof that Benson punched a bartender who never struck him

Bartender Bryan White told police that once outside, Benson complained to people passing by that "all these white boys are ganging up on me and kicking me out."

White said he told Benson he wouldn't take time out of his night just to kick him out, then Benson punched him in the face.

Benson got into an argument in the bar, and was escorted out. When he claimed that it was based on race ("all these white boys are ganging up on me") the bartender told him that wasn't the case, so Benson punched him in the face. Benson hit him, that bartender never struck him.There's your proof that you were wrong about the bar fight in Texas.

Proof that Benson was physically aggressive with police in 2008

Sergeant Leonard Snyder wrote that Benson refused to come ashore for additional tests and "stood up from the position where I had him seated and suggested I could not tell him what to do."

Upon telling Benson he was under arrest and about to be put in handcuffs, "I touched his body in an attempt to direct him, and he presented himself in a very hostile way,''

Refusing to follow police instruction, telling a police officer that he "could not tell him what to do," and presented himself in a very hostile way. Direct from the police report, proof that you were wrong about the BWI arrest.

And again I'll say, the letter did not say that the ONLY thing Ben did wrong was buy drinks... And the article you provided didn't contain the whole letter...

Yes, that's all you do is say things that aren't true. How about this, since I've proven everything I've said, why don't you try proving just one thing? Please, post me a link that shows ANYWHERE else in the Goodell letter where he mentions Ben having sex with that girl, going into the bathroom, his bodyguard holding back her friends, anything else you've said Ben did? If you can provide even one example of Goodell mentioning anything like that in his letter to Ben, I will post that I was wrong about everything I've said, and that you were right, okay? I know that you won't take me up on that offer, though, because you won't be able to find specific mention of anything else. Goodell suggests that Ben didn't act appropriate, that he wasn't being responsible or acting consistently with the value of the league or the expectations of the fans. But the only thing he specifically cites as violating the personal conduct policy was the purchase of alcohol for minors.

So go ahead, prove ONE THING that you've tried to pass off as fact in this thread. You won't be able to, but you'll probably post some other random crap to try to call attention away from the stupidity of your beliefs.

You haven't proven anything... You've only quoted an article from an interviewers perspective... One guy says Benson punched him when he didn't do anything.. Benson says otherwise... Wheres your proof..

Then you said Benson was "Physically Combative" now you're saying he only told the police they couldn't tell him what to do.. Where's the "physically combative" part come into play? No proof there either...

"Facts Facts... Facts.." You haven't shown 1 "fact" proving that you're right yet...

I never said Goodell said anything about sex, I never said Ben's Body Gaurd was "Holding" anyone... Get a grip, you're not even close... You're the one claiming you have facts.. Claimed that Goodell said that buying drinks was the ONLY thing Ben did wrong... Goodell didn't even imply that... You're the one claiming you have "facts" not me.. And yet you don't present any...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

229 posts in a Favre thread and this is only my 4th? What is this world coming to?

I was wondering where you were?... You been on vacation? lol

Nag...just laying low in favre threads...especially this one.

lol..In another thread, a Bears/Culter fan accused me of being a Packers homer.. You see that?I'm betting you are pretty happy with Farve's current predicament huh?

 

[sho nuff]

229 posts in a Favre thread and this is only my 4th? What is this world coming to?

I was wondering where you were?... You been on vacation? lol

Nag...just laying low in favre threads...especially this one.

lol..In another thread, a Bears/Culter fan accused me of being a Packers homer.. You see that?I'm betting you are pretty happy with Farve's current predicament huh?

Doh...sorry about the "nag" line. Was supposed to say "Nah" but android decided to edit Nah to Nag.Yeah, saw that one in the Cutler thread.As for being happy.Not really. Despite the opinion of some, I don't hate Favre. I genuinely did not like seeing him play like he did down the stretch with the jets (shell of his former self) and don't really like that part of him with the current thing. Though, as others have said, its hardly surprising with him (or any athlete anymore) given his past.Pisses my mom off too. 2 of her favorite athletes ever are Tiger and Favre. she is none too happy with either of them.

 

[Bayhawks]

You haven't proven anything... You've only quoted an article from an interviewers perspective...

Well you haven't even done that, have you? Because you can't, there's NOTHING out there to support what you make up.

"Facts Facts... Facts.." You haven't shown 1 "fact" proving that you're right yet...

Actually, I have, you just pretend like they're not there. What is definitely true, though, is that you haven't produced ONE SINGLE SHRED OF SUPPORT FOR YOUR RIDICULOUS CLAIMS! I wonder why that is....oh, wait, no I don't, it's because there's none out there.

I never said Goodell said anything about sex, I never said Ben's Body Gaurd was "Holding" anyone... Get a grip, you're not even close... You're the one claiming you have facts.. Claimed that Goodell said that buying drinks was the ONLY thing Ben did wrong... Goodell didn't even imply that... You're the one claiming you have "facts" not me.. And yet you don't present any...

My bad, then, wasn't this you?

Fact? Goodell did not state that serving an underage girl drinks was the only wrong act. And did not say the drinks were the only acts detrimental to the league..

You said that serving a minor wasn't the only wrong act he cited. I'm still waiting for you to show me where he mentioned in his letter any other specific act. You haven't, because it doesn't exist.And (for once) you were right, you never used the word bodyguard. You did, however, claim that Ben was "having her friends held back while." I infered that you meant his bodyguard held her back. Regardless, this is another thing you made up, and that you will never be able to find anything to support this ridiculous claim.

Drinking and driving, while frowned upon, and illegal is a very common occurrence and more accepted by the public than getting underage girls drunk and having her friends held back while you have your way in the bathroom...

So, let's have it. Where in the letter did Goodell specifically mention ANYTHING other than the purchase of alcohol for minors? You are so positive that it's there, please provide a link. I won't hold my breath, because it's not there.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Fact? Goodell did not state that serving an underage girl drinks was the only wrong act. And did not say the drinks were the only acts detrimental to the league..

You said that serving a minor wasn't the only wrong act he cited. I'm still waiting for you to show me where he mentioned in his letter any other specific act. You haven't, because it doesn't exist.

LOL.. Read the sentence again... Thats not what I said at all...

And (for once) you were right, you never used the word bodyguard. You did, however, claim that Ben was "having her friends held back while." I infered that you meant his bodyguard held her back. Regardless, this is another thing you made up, and that you will never be able to find anything to support this ridiculous claim.

Drinking and driving, while frowned upon, and illegal is a very common occurrence and more accepted by the public than getting underage girls drunk and having her friends held back while you have your way in the bathroom...

So, let's have it. Where in the letter did Goodell specifically mention ANYTHING other than the purchase of alcohol for minors? You are so positive that it's there, please provide a link. I won't hold my breath, because it's not there.

Never said Goodell specified anything in particular.. You're the one saying that... You said Goodell said (or maybe implied) that buying the drinks for the under-aged girl was the only thing Ben did wrong. Goodell never said it was the only thing Ben did wrong.. You tried constructing that "fact" based on conclusions you drew on your own... actually growing quite tired of your semantics though, so go ahead and construct your next 'point/counter point' post and move along.. The thread hijack (that I spurred I know) should have ended several posts ago.. Your enthusiasm can most likely be better appreciated on the thread topic..

 

[Brett's Crocs]

Anxious to see how this turns out.

 

[seahawk 17]

Anxious to see how this turns out.

I heard on the radio that there was a lack of cooperation going on from staff members of the Jets, and that nothing would become of this unless they spoke up.

 

[packersfan]

Anxious to see how this turns out.

I heard on the radio that there was a lack of cooperation going on from staff members of the Jets, and that nothing would become of this unless they spoke up.

Sterger still hasn't cooperated either. I don't know how this can go anywhere if she continues to keep quiet. Even if it's proven Favre sent the texts, how do they know they weren't sent in response to her asking for them or maybe sending Favre something as well?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Anxious to see how this turns out.

I heard on the radio that there was a lack of cooperation going on from staff members of the Jets, and that nothing would become of this unless they spoke up.

Sterger still hasn't cooperated either. I don't know how this can go anywhere if she continues to keep quiet. Even if it's proven Favre sent the texts, how do they know they weren't sent in response to her asking for them or maybe sending Favre something as wel l?

Someone message me when those pics become available please..

 

[Sabertooth]

I heard from a Packers employee this week that this is nothing new for Brett. He state that he's paid a ton of hush money throughout his career.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I heard from a Packers employee this week that this is nothing new for Brett. He state that he's paid a ton of hush money throughout his career.

Anything with a "Packers" in front of it is going to be pretty unreliable when it comes to Brett Favre rumors.... At least that's what I've seen in the last 3 years...

 

[sho nuff]

I heard from a Packers employee this week that this is nothing new for Brett. He state that he's paid a ton of hush money throughout his career.

Anything with a "Packers" in front of it is going to be pretty unreliable when it comes to Brett Favre rumors.... At least that's what I've seen in the last 3 years...

While its rumor...given his wife's book and his reputation his first several years in GB...I don't think its all that unbelievable though.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I heard from a Packers employee this week that this is nothing new for Brett. He state that he's paid a ton of hush money throughout his career.

Anything with a "Packers" in front of it is going to be pretty unreliable when it comes to Brett Favre rumors.... At least that's what I've seen in the last 3 years...

While its rumor...given his wife's book and his reputation his first several years in GB...I don't think its all that unbelievable though.

Of course you wouldn't.. "Packer" fan...