Favre to compete for starting job? (1 Viewer)

[Phurfur]

Citing an NFL executive with "close ties to clubs in the NFC North," the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reports that the Packers called the Vikings about Brett Favre on Friday to let them know Favre is available in a trade.You knew this wasn't the end. The Journal-Sentinel believes Favre's arrival at camp is the first step towards a trade. "They’ve kind of said through one of their guys that if Favre did report they would potentially trade him within the division," the unnamed executive says. Talks between the Vikings and Packers aren't substantive yet, however, and the executive doesn't think Minnesota would give up more than a fourth- or fifth-round pick. Still, reports like this aren't going away until Favre is in another uniform.

Favre's gonna compete for the starting job, alright.In Minnesota!

Not long ago...were you not one who did not want Favre?Now you do?

I never said I didn't want Favre. I said that whatever you thought about how I felt about him didn't matter to the discussion. I have been preparing to drink the tears of the Packer faithful for the very minute they are compelled to trade him to a division rival, because no wine could be sweeter than that.

Until that first 3 INT game?I still have my trepidations with him if he does stay in GB. How mentally into it is he? Is he ready to handle the cold games? Is he over how beat down he looked at the end of last season?Is he going to be the same "reigned in" Favre of last year? How long of a leash will he have if he struggles?If in Minny, I would have questions too...will Childress and Bevell let him get away with anything like Sherman used to? Is that what Brett really wants and is that why he is so pissed at Thompson...for bringing in a hard assed coach rather than Mooch?

 

[sho nuff]

And is this you saying you did not think your thoughts on it mattered?

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=8857806

Wrong. The year Favre had last year is not one he'd be able to achieve again for any team. Not even the Packers, which is part of the reason they don't want him back. The Vikings don't need an indecisive QB, and there's 0 chance that should he get the release he's asked for he'd get picked up by the Vikings. He could replace Testaverde in Carolina as Delhomme's back up, that's more his speed right now.

That in response that I would be laughing at the 180 that Vikings fans how had bashed Favre for years would have if he was on their team.Looks like you have completed that 180 now and he is not even on your team yet. Thanks for the laughs.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Until that first 3 INT game?I still have my trepidations with him if he does stay in GB. How mentally into it is he? Is he ready to handle the cold games? Is he over how beat down he looked at the end of last season?Is he going to be the same "reigned in" Favre of last year? How long of a leash will he have if he struggles?If in Minny, I would have questions too...will Childress and Bevell let him get away with anything like Sherman used to? Is that what Brett really wants and is that why he is so pissed at Thompson...for bringing in a hard assed coach rather than Mooch?

Yeah, Favre could suck real bad in Minnesota or Green Bay. No guarantees. Favre in the postseason would scare me no matter which team he's on because he's such a loose cannon.Good questions though. I'll give my thoughts.It would very well be most likely Favre's last season, and all personal decisions will be put to rest by the end of TC, and the Vikings may not get a chance at Favre till after then anyway. So I don't see that as being a negative influence. Favre wants to play football, if he wants to Co-GM he'd have taken the money and played Madden's Franchise mode. I don't think Childress has the ability to control a vet like Favre, so if Favre went ad libbing from the playbook, he'd likely be beaten in the battle of wills. Minnesota's schedule, oddly enough, gives them no cold games late in the year. They have plenty of cold team opponents...playing at Minnesota in the Dome. Look at their schedule in November and December: Houston at home, Green Bay at home, @ Tampa, @ Jaxksonville, Chicago at Home, @ Detroit, @ Arizona, Atlanta at home, NYG @ Home Cold weather is not an issue for the Vikings this year. How is Favre mentally? I would wager not so well at this moment because he's battling a lot of pressure from all sides. His family reportedly wants him to take a firmer stance with Green Bay, and we might have seen that with him finally getting his shot to report to camp. But there were reports he was close to retiring or taking the money as well. I don't think he's ever had a more stressfull offseason.That could carry over if he got traded to Minnesota, where I think it's safe to assume he's wanted to go since he was told Green Bay moved on. It could carry over, or he could be reinvigorated because he's got just as solid an O-line, a better RB crew behind him, and some recievers that he could make look really good. I think it could go either way. I do believe that he'd give Berrian his first 1k+ year though.If he struggles, then they've got Tarvaris to go to and they'll still be relying on the running game and defense. The team was prepared to play without him this year, so I find it difficult to see a negative to gaining him. I have no clue at what point they feel they could draw the line if Favre has serious issues with turnovers. The pressure would be on the Vikes depending on how much (Or little) they give up to get Favre via trade or if they just sign him if cut.No question though, no discussion on whether or not he is superior to Tarvaris or gives the team the best chance at and in the Playoffs. Tarvaris I really think would benefit from sitting behind Favre for a year because he was rushed too soon to the playing field. Tarvaris Jackson would likely learn a lot with another year of play as well, but if I had to pick the two, I'll pick the one where the team has the best chance and Tarvaris is still in a position to contribute in the future.

 

[Phurfur]

Citing an NFL executive with "close ties to clubs in the NFC North," the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reports that the Packers called the Vikings about Brett Favre on Friday to let them know Favre is available in a trade.

You knew this wasn't the end. The Journal-Sentinel believes Favre's arrival at camp is the first step towards a trade. "They’ve kind of said through one of their guys that if Favre did report they would potentially trade him within the division," the unnamed executive says. Talks between the Vikings and Packers aren't substantive yet, however, and the executive doesn't think Minnesota would give up more than a fourth- or fifth-round pick. Still, reports like this aren't going away until Favre is in another uniform.

Favre's gonna compete for the starting job, alright.In Minnesota!

Not long ago...were you not one who did not want Favre?Now you do?

When there was talk of him unretiring, I admit the idea was less than pleasant (made me want to vomit-less than pleasant) More recently than that I said that whatever you thought about how I felt about him didn't matter to the discussion. Anybody would be foolish to think that even at Favre's age he isn't a superior QB than Tarvaris, so if he does get traded I'll look forward to an improvement there.But the reality is I have been preparing to drink the tears of the Packer faithful for the very minute they are compelled to trade him to a division rival, because no wine could be sweeter than that.

As a Packer fan I agree, let someone else put up with his crap.

 

[ScottyFargo]

What what would the tears before...if...like you say...

Favre has little chance of repeating his numbers from last season. Should Favre be able to get what he wants, whatever team lands him should worry that they will see the Favre from '05 or '06. Last year was his best shot, and he hasn't let go yet.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=8857995

Oh yes if Favre is traded to the Vikings and he blows, and the team is unable to recover I would cry. They'd be my tears I'd be drinking. I don't like that much, but atleast there's a chance that in that case, Tarvaris could take over and be a hero. Small chance, but.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Thanks for the trade info. I'm surprised a team who wants him can't make it look like they have that kind of cap room. Of course, then they could just trade him to Minnesota, right? or could it be in the contract that he can't be traded to a division team?

A rare talent, Packers quarterback Brett Favre now holds a rare distinction.

Without having an official no-trade clause in his contract, Favre has an unofficial no-trade clause in the leverage he has.

If the Packers agree to trade Favre to any team, the quarterback can veto the deal simply by declining to report. Then Favre's rights would revert back to Green Bay, which would be forced to take him back along with his $12 million base salary -- or release him.

To carry's Favre salary, and all the distractions that came along with it, would be an enormous financial and emotional burden for the Packers. Thus Green Bay would have to commit to keeping Favre or to trade him.

But unless it is a team that appeals to Favre then the Packers quarterback can continue vetoing deals until he has a satisfactory new home.

Basically, if Favre unretires he gets to play where he wants.

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Thanks. This clears a lot up.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I don't want to start another thread............I'd like to know what Packer fans want in this situation. I'm a NFL fan, but not a Packer fan.

What do you want to happen for this season?

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I watched Rodgers tonight, can you say BUST!!!!!!!!!

Once Favre steps on the field the job is his and Rodgers gets a one way ticket to the bench.

I give up. It's becoming clearly obvious that most diehard Favre fans are completely oblivious to other opinions, and are incapable of ever seeing Brett in a negative light of any kind, at any tme. They would still beg for him to start at the age of 50, even if he threw 30 picks.

I enjoyed talking with you about this in the other thread, but I would counter that the anti-Favre fans may need to realize that he's better than Rodgers and Rodgers might have free-fallen down draft boards for a reason.

I think those that think Rodgers is better are pretty few and far between though.

Oh sure, but I don't understand the mindset of the Packer fan that thinks it's better to have Rodgers this year instead of Favre just so you know whether he is a bust or not or can start the future now or some other such crap. You play to win now and happily bring back Favre to compete with Rodgers when he decides to come back. Thompson's ego got in the way here. And it's not like he "found" Rodgers. Rodgers was being passed by a bunch of other teams in the draft after talk he could go #1 overall. So it's not like you've got Peyton Manning or John Elway sitting there or something. Take him back, hope he plays almost as good as last year and that the rest of the team comes together to make another run at the Super Bowl.

Dynasty fantasy players might disagree. You balance what's good for the team in the future with the desire to win now. If having Favre on your roster for another year costs you Rodgers, you might not want to go with Brohm or free agency when that happens.The NFL is the ultimate dynasty league, and I'm sure the Packers weighed those factors before they imploded and offered Favre money to stay retired.

Oh sure and I play in two dynasty leagues myself. But I think that often in those leagues I see too many guys giving up the current year for the future. Certainly there is a balance, but I see that balance being too weighted on the future in my leagues and I think that's what the Packers did here.

That's a fair point, especially regarding dynatsy fantasy owners. I guess it depends on how close you think they were to a championship. I don't think they were all that close. If the Giants had kicked that FG, that game wouldn't have gone to OT. Then the Packers still couldn't cash in. And if they had somehow, I don't think they would have beaten New England. They're like the Chargers: Really good playoff team, not really championship-caliber.

 

[sho nuff]

I don't want to start another thread............I'd like to know what Packer fans want in this situation. I'm a NFL fan, but not a Packer fan.What do you want to happen for this season?

After my initial pissed off at Favre moment of let him sit...I calmed down and said after they talked to the team I hoped they would let him back in if he committed to playing.Thats still what I hope...that he does well, and the team does well this year. Hopefully, Rodgers also handles it well and busts his butt to try and beat the old man.

 

[Tau837]

Thanks for the trade info. I'm surprised a team who wants him can't make it look like they have that kind of cap room. Of course, then they could just trade him to Minnesota, right? or could it be in the contract that he can't be traded to a division team?

A rare talent, Packers quarterback Brett Favre now holds a rare distinction.

Without having an official no-trade clause in his contract, Favre has an unofficial no-trade clause in the leverage he has.

If the Packers agree to trade Favre to any team, the quarterback can veto the deal simply by declining to report. Then Favre's rights would revert back to Green Bay, which would be forced to take him back along with his $12 million base salary -- or release him.

To carry's Favre salary, and all the distractions that came along with it, would be an enormous financial and emotional burden for the Packers. Thus Green Bay would have to commit to keeping Favre or to trade him.

But unless it is a team that appeals to Favre then the Packers quarterback can continue vetoing deals until he has a satisfactory new home.

Basically, if Favre unretires he gets to play where he wants.

Link

Thanks. This clears a lot up.

I believe things changed once he was reinstated. There was a link in one of these many threads where it was stated that if a team trades for him after he reported, and that team had enough cap room for his current contract, thus not requiring him to restructure, there would be nothing he could do about it. I suppose he could obviously just retire again and walk away, but his rights wouldn't revert to the Packers in that case, so it would not remain their problem. All that said, I can't imagine any team trading for him without knowing he was ready to play for them.