Favre To Retire! (1 Viewer)

[larry_boy_44]

I suspect that the cap-friendly contract that re-couped 12 million on retirement was something that just added incentive to TT to wish for Favre's retirement. Who are the top UFA defensive players or OL out there?

Where in the world do we need anyone on defense??Safety? No.Corner? No.Linebacker? Hawk & Barnett are great.Line? No.We could use some OL, but our offense was absurdly good last year. We just need to wait for our young guys to improve. I think this was gonna be our year. If Rodgers is good, it still might be.

Disagree.Safety? Yes...some depth is needed. I like Bigby and Rouse...but IMO Collins just is not improving enough.LB? Yes...I would like to see someone brought in to compete with Poppinga.Corner? Yes...they need depth here...not older vets...but Harris and Woodson are getting older.Line? Yes...they need another DE IMO. If Allen would have been available...I really wanted to push for him. KGB is overpriced and is only useful on 3rd downs. OL will need some younger guys to start grooming to backup Clifton and Tauscher...and while the guards got better...they need improvement there.

we need depth, but you state 3 guys who are good enough to start... huh? And depth isn't something you spend 40 million in FA money on...LB? Sure we could use someone to compete with Poppinga... but again $40 MILLION!!Corner we need to draft a guy or two to let develop... We don't need a FA unless there is a young up-and-coming guy who could be good in a couple years...Why do we need a DL??? Jenkins on every down and KGB on passing downs... its worked fine in the past.

 

[ookook]

I suspect that the cap-friendly contract that re-couped 12 million on retirement was something that just added incentive to TT to wish for Favre's retirement. Who are the top UFA defensive players or OL out there?

Where in the world do we need anyone on defense??Safety? No.Corner? No.Linebacker? Hawk & Barnett are great.Line? No.We could use some OL, but our offense was absurdly good last year. We just need to wait for our young guys to improve. I think this was gonna be our year. If Rodgers is good, it still might be.

The Giants showed me what having a totally dominating DL (and LB corps for that matter) can really do. So I think Poppinga is weak and am uncertain of Jenkins. It may also be time to upgrade at CB.

 

[sho nuff]

I suspect that the cap-friendly contract that re-couped 12 million on retirement was something that just added incentive to TT to wish for Favre's retirement. Who are the top UFA defensive players or OL out there?

Where in the world do we need anyone on defense??Safety? No.Corner? No.Linebacker? Hawk & Barnett are great.Line? No.We could use some OL, but our offense was absurdly good last year. We just need to wait for our young guys to improve. I think this was gonna be our year. If Rodgers is good, it still might be.

Disagree.Safety? Yes...some depth is needed. I like Bigby and Rouse...but IMO Collins just is not improving enough.LB? Yes...I would like to see someone brought in to compete with Poppinga.Corner? Yes...they need depth here...not older vets...but Harris and Woodson are getting older.Line? Yes...they need another DE IMO. If Allen would have been available...I really wanted to push for him. KGB is overpriced and is only useful on 3rd downs. OL will need some younger guys to start grooming to backup Clifton and Tauscher...and while the guards got better...they need improvement there.

we need depth, but you state 3 guys who are good enough to start... huh? And depth isn't something you spend 40 million in FA money on...LB? Sure we could use someone to compete with Poppinga... but again $40 MILLION!!Corner we need to draft a guy or two to let develop... We don't need a FA unless there is a young up-and-coming guy who could be good in a couple years...Why do we need a DL??? Jenkins on every down and KGB on passing downs... its worked fine in the past.

Good enough to start for the Packers now...yes. But does that mean they cannot improve in those positions?And if you are not going to use 35 mil in cap on depth and other things...what will you use it on? You can't take it with you.Im not saying spend 40 mil to get someone in to compete with poppinga.But would not mind bringing in someone like Colvin.I agree on drafting a corner as I don't see too many out there now that are worth it in FA.Jenkins is ok...but not great. KGB is overpaid and has one move.

 

[ookook]

Jennings, Jones, Lee, Driver, Robinson. Name me 4 other teams with WRs and a TE that good and that deep?And then there is Grant who showed he had a bit of talent last year.

I think it would actually be VERY easy to name 4 other teams with better WRs and TEs.I might be able to find 10 if you really want me to try.

 

[ookook]

To digress, I think GB should have drafted a top CB last year in the first and looked to FA to bring in a DL player.

But you have to admit, pro-bowl or no Harris looked like a liability against top WRs.

I agree that CB should be a priority this year for draft more than FA.

I mostly want another really dominating pass rusher.

 

[Aaronstory]

Jennings, Jones, Lee, Driver, Robinson. Name me 4 other teams with WRs and a TE that good and that deep?And then there is Grant who showed he had a bit of talent last year.

I think it would actually be VERY easy to name 4 other teams with better WRs and TEs.I might be able to find 10 if you really want me to try.

Really? From #1 to #5? By all means, go ahead. This should be fun...

 

[sho nuff]

Jennings, Jones, Lee, Driver, Robinson. Name me 4 other teams with WRs and a TE that good and that deep?And then there is Grant who showed he had a bit of talent last year.

I think it would actually be VERY easy to name 4 other teams with better WRs and TEs.I might be able to find 10 if you really want me to try.

Really...4 with more depth and better than that?Go.NEIndyArizonaCinci??????There are 4 that could be considered for sure.But with the ??? that is Marvin right now...might have to knock Indy down. After Wayne...it gets a bit thin as we all saw last year down the stretch and in the playoffs.10? hah!!!!! Id love to see you try.

 

[sho nuff]

To digress, I think GB should have drafted a top CB last year in the first and looked to FA to bring in a DL player.But you have to admit, pro-bowl or no Harris looked like a liability against top WRs.I agree that CB should be a priority this year for draft more than FA.I mostly want another really dominating pass rusher.

Harris had 2 poor games.Dallas schemed him pretty well getting TO away from the bump.And Burress made him look silly.Other than that...he has had very good success against top WRs.I agree on the pass rusher. None out there at this point...unless they swing a trade (I have supported the Jason Taylor move that was rumored and still do).

 

[ookook]

You think very highly of the so-called "depth".

I will look, but off the top of my head you do not think the NYG demonstrated they have better WRs? It can be argued, but I think they did at least one game.

NYG had better OL, DL, LB, RBs, and WRs as far as I could tell...and I am a Packers fan.

WR is the only one worht arguing about.

 

[Aaronstory]

Jennings, Jones, Lee, Driver, Robinson. Name me 4 other teams with WRs and a TE that good and that deep?And then there is Grant who showed he had a bit of talent last year.

I think it would actually be VERY easy to name 4 other teams with better WRs and TEs.I might be able to find 10 if you really want me to try.

Really...4 with more depth and better than that?Go.NEIndyArizonaCinci??????There are 4 that could be considered for sure.But with the ??? that is Marvin right now...might have to knock Indy down. After Wayne...it gets a bit thin as we all saw last year down the stretch and in the playoffs.10? hah!!!!! Id love to see you try.

Arizona? They just lost their #3.Cinci? They have two great players at #1 and #2 and NOTHING after that. (Um, Antonio Chatman, hello?)New England has Moss and Welker. Um...and that's it. Unless of course you want to count Watson, who is on par with Lee. So, I'll give him Indy and maybe NE.Who else?(This whole excercise is hilarious)

 

[sho nuff]

You think very highly of the so-called "depth".I will look, but off the top of my head you do not think the NYG demonstrated they have better WRs? It can be argued, but I think they did at least one game.NYG had better OL, DL, LB, RBs, and WRs as far as I could tell...and I am a Packers fan. WR is the only one worht arguing about.

I think very highly of the WRS.WRs.Burress...then what? Driver, Jennings, Jones, Robinson, Lee.As I stated...4 WRs and a good TE...no more than 4 teams (at first I said it would be hard to find 4...but Indy could be debated with the ??? around Harrison in the future)...can top that.I like Burress...but after that...Toomer? Tyree had a nice catch and all...Shockey...yes...good at times...headcase and non-existent at times.Funny...you said you could easily name 4...probably 10. Now you are backing down. Wonder why?

 

[sho nuff]

Arizona? They just lost their #3.Cinci? They have two great players at #1 and #2 and NOTHING after that. (Um, Antonio Chatman, hello?)New England has Moss and Welker. Um...and that's it. Unless of course you want to count Watson, who is on par with Lee. So, I'll give him Indy and maybe NE.Who else?(This whole excercise is hilarious)

Ariz...yeah...but I really like their #1 and #2.Cinci...again...I think their #1 and #2 are that good.NE...Moss and Welker + Watson...very good and probably better overall.To me...Indy is a question mark until we see what Marvin can do. Clark and Wayne are very good...but Gonzalez is nothing special at this point and nothing much after that.

 

[Aaronstory]

You think very highly of the so-called "depth".I will look, but off the top of my head you do not think the NYG demonstrated they have better WRs? It can be argued, but I think they did at least one game.NYG had better OL, DL, LB, RBs, and WRs as far as I could tell...and I am a Packers fan. WR is the only one worht arguing about.

Wait, so now you've taken the argument away from "Easily naming 10 teams with better WR/TE depth" to "The NYG have bettter overall team depth"Hilarious.And no, I don't think they demonstrated anything other than they had a great #1 WR that had a decided advantage over our #1 CB. But I'll still take Jennings over Toomer, Jones over Tyree, ect all the way down the line.I mean, seriously, I'm still waiting for the "10 teams" that "easily" have more depth at WR/TE.Hi-larious.

 

[Dusty Rhodes]

You think very highly of the so-called "depth".I will look, but off the top of my head you do not think the NYG demonstrated they have better WRs? It can be argued, but I think they did at least one game.NYG had better OL, DL, LB, RBs, and WRs as far as I could tell...and I am a Packers fan. WR is the only one worht arguing about.

Dude almost every post you make is ridiculous. Just stop.

 

[ookook]

Better receivers than GB:

DAL

NE

IND

CIN

AZ

Maybe better:

NYG

DET

DEN

HOU

Moving up:

SD

KC

CLE

The trick is how good would they have been WITHOUT Favre? He did have a knack for making mediocre WRs look good.

 

[ookook]

So you do not think NYG had better OL, DL, LB, and RBs than GB?

No reason to improve at any of those then, huh?

 

[BigJim®]

I gained a respect for Favre in 2007 that I didn't have previously... perhaps it was that he could keep his game at such a high level for his age, or maybe it was recognition of his games-played streak. It's too bad he is walking away when he showed he can play. I don't fully grasp his latest quotes about there being huge shoes to fill and that the Packers would not contend for a Super Bowl; they were odds on to be that team this year just 6 short weeks ago.

 

[ookook]

What I said was:

"I think it would actually be VERY easy to name 4 other teams with better WRs and TEs.

I might be able to find 10 if you really want me to try."

 

[sho nuff]

Better receivers than GBALNEINDCINAZMaybe better:NYGDETDENHOUMoving up:SDKCCLEThe trick is how good would they have been WITHOUT Favre? He did have a knack for making mediocre WRs look good.

Dallas? After Owens....they have? NextNE...i already gave that one.Indy...as said, questionable...Detroit? Hah!!!!! One guy they might ship out...one that was highly drafted and did less than James Jones. Then? Nothing.Denver? Brandon marshall....and then nothing. Houston? AGain...hah!!!!!!!SD?KC?Cleveland is like Dallas...great #1...great TE...little after that (Stallworth is ok and a move in the right direction).But again...the original thing as as good as those 4 and as deep.Nice attempt...very poor execution...you should just stop talking now.

 

[sho nuff]

So you do not think NYG had better OL, DL, LB, and RBs than GB?No reason to improve at any of those then, huh?

Overall...no, I don't think NYG had the better LB or RBs than GB.I think they played a better game than GB.Have a great Dline...and their Oline is good.But is that how we are going to compare a team?And its not as if GB's Dline is terrible or anything.Or their corners.or their RBsand so on.Nobody is saying there is no room to improve.WR simply is not one of the places they need it.

 

[sho nuff]

What I said was:

"I think it would actually be VERY easy to name 4 other teams with better WRs and TEs.

I might be able to find 10 if you really want me to try."

And what I said was "Name me 4 other teams with WRs and a TE that good and that deep?"

 

[ookook]

NYG:

Buress

Shockey

Toomer

Hixon

Tyree

Sinorice Moss

Steve Smith

I see that as A LOT of talent and tons of depth.

And I think I would trade GBs WRs for that list straight up.

Sorry. Here is where we differ: I do not think the offense of the Packers is in good shape without Favre. I see the "depth" as not so great without a QB who can get the ball to WRs who are often not very open.

As I said, I like Jennings. I used to think Driver was pretty good, but he has lost a step. Hopefully Jones will continue to prove himself.

 

[sho nuff]

NYG:BuressShockeyToomerHixonTyreeSinorice MossSteve SmithI see that as A LOT of talent and tons of depth.And I think I would trade GBs WRs for that list straight up. Sorry. Here is where we differ: I do not think the offense of the Packers is in good shape without Favre. I see the "depth" as not so great without a QB who can get the ball to WRs who are often not very open.As I said, I like Jennings. I used to think Driver was pretty good, but he has lost a step. Hopefully Jones will continue to prove himself.

So....Burress and an injurred Shockey.I would never trade GB's WRs for that straight up.I think the WRs were open quite a bit and Rodgers can get it to them. They run a short crisp passing game. Not a huge reliance on the long ball. Rodgers can handle that type of thing...remains to be seen if he can pull out the long ball when needed.Driver did not look like he lost a step when he rolled 90 yards for a TD against NY.

 

[ookook]

Dallas? After Owens....they have? Next

Ummm...can you say Jason Witten?

 

[ookook]

"Overall...no, I don't think NYG had the better LB or RBs than GB."

I thnk you are a minority here, but this is already too much of a hijack.

 

[sho nuff]

Dallas? After Owens....they have? Next

Ummm...can you say Jason Witten?

Yup...and at WR...who?2 guys...very good...does not make them better and as deep as GB. Read my original post...then get back to me.

 

[sho nuff]

"Overall...no, I don't think NYG had the better LB or RBs than GB."I thnk you are a minority here, but this is already too much of a hijack.

RBs for depth sure...and they did have Grant at one point.But Jacobs proved he was good...but not always durable.Bradshaw looked good...but not a great body of work.yes, I would put NY above them...not by a big margine.LB...nope. Give me Hawk, Barnett and Poppinga.Look at what each team's defense did all year...then try and act as if the one game made NY all of a sudden so superior.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Favre to retire... until about august when he changes his mind again.



I'll believe it when he's not on the team opening day.

 

[ookook]

I think last year I would have preferred Pierce, Mitchell, and Kiwanuka.

But I guess I might prefer Hawk and Barnett going forward.

I am really sick of Poppinga missiung coverage on TEs though.

 

[sho nuff]

Favre to retire... until about august when he changes his mind again. I'll believe it when he's not on the team opening day.

Again?When did he ever change his mind after a decision like this?Presser on now...Thompson and McCarthy confirming that it was not about Moss.

 

[sho nuff]

I think last year I would have preferred Pierce, Mitchell, and Kiwanuka.But I guess I might prefer Hawk and Barnett going forward. I am really sick of Poppinga missiung coverage on TEs though.

He was not the only one who had trouble in TE coverage.And I agree and have said I hope they go after a LB to compete with him...advocated bringing in Colvin maybe.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

This just in: for the first time in history, an entire has been put on suicide watch. Reports coming out of the state indicate that people seem to either be sitting motionless with blank look on their faces or sobbing uncontrollably. Grief consulors from across the nation are being flown in. No confirmation yet that flags will be flown at half mast until the satart of the NFL season.

 

[LAUNCH]

I suspect that the cap-friendly contract that re-couped 12 million on retirement was something that just added incentive to TT to wish for Favre's retirement.

Who are the top UFA defensive players or OL out there?

Where in the world do we need anyone on defense??Safety? No.

Corner? No.

Linebacker? Hawk & Barnett are great.

Line? No.

We could use some OL, but our offense was absurdly good last year. We just need to wait for our young guys to improve. I think this was gonna be our year. If Rodgers is good, it still might be.

Saftey - As a group I would say they are decent...at best. Collins needs to make a jump just to get back to where he started. Will Bigby follow down the same path?Corner - YES Between Woodson and Harris there are some major age issues. Getting the next starting CB(s) for the team is probably priority one.

Linbacker - Barnett can get out of positions at times, but is a great player. Hawk hasn't shown me great. It's either an indictment as him as a player or the coaching staff that a #5 pick isn't at a level that you would say is consistent. Personally I think that with Jenkins, Pickett, and Kampman that by adding another OLB and being able to add the flexibility of playing some pressure 3-4 that they could take advantage of their LB speed.

Line? Losing Corey Williams forces JH into the spotlight. I'm sure this is one of those moves that Favre looked at and said wtf. A 2nd round pick may be better for the long haul, but this team was almost in the Superbowl.

The questions that need to be asked are why didn't they try to bring in Wahle and Crumpler. These guys signed for relative peanuts and could have helped the team at very reasonable prices. With Crumpler and Lee working in tandem it could have been the new Jackson and Chewy. Getting Wahle at guard could have improved the o-line and given them some nice depth. I don't think TT would have considered bringing in Moss because that would have been an admission of failure from last year.

Favre is definitely giving the whole taking the ball home approach to this, but I can't blame him. I don't think you have to break the bank to improve the team, but to have a HOF QB, with his stature in the community and the league, to play small ball like you're the Brewers is pathetic. The Packers have money and have lost Favre (at least for now) because TT was unwilling to use any of it. They got very lucky with injuries last year and pretty lucky with the way the schedule broke for them and I am sure that Favre had to weigh the chances of winning the Superbowl vs. the chances of losing and possibly ruining his quality of life after football. It shouldn't have ended this way. Way to go Ted!

 

[sho nuff]

I suspect that the cap-friendly contract that re-couped 12 million on retirement was something that just added incentive to TT to wish for Favre's retirement.

Who are the top UFA defensive players or OL out there?

Where in the world do we need anyone on defense??Safety? No.

Corner? No.

Linebacker? Hawk & Barnett are great.

Line? No.

We could use some OL, but our offense was absurdly good last year. We just need to wait for our young guys to improve. I think this was gonna be our year. If Rodgers is good, it still might be.

Saftey - As a group I would say they are decent...at best. Collins needs to make a jump just to get back to where he started. Will Bigby follow down the same path?Corner - YES Between Woodson and Harris there are some major age issues. Getting the next starting CB(s) for the team is probably priority one.

Linbacker - Barnett can get out of positions at times, but is a great player. Hawk hasn't shown me great. It's either an indictment as him as a player or the coaching staff that a #5 pick isn't at a level that you would say is consistent. Personally I think that with Jenkins, Pickett, and Kampman that by adding another OLB and being able to add the flexibility of playing some pressure 3-4 that they could take advantage of their LB speed.

Line? Losing Corey Williams forces JH into the spotlight. I'm sure this is one of those moves that Favre looked at and said wtf. A 2nd round pick may be better for the long haul, but this team was almost in the Superbowl.

The questions that need to be asked are why didn't they try to bring in Wahle and Crumpler. These guys signed for relative peanuts and could have helped the team at very reasonable prices. With Crumpler and Lee working in tandem it could have been the new Jackson and Chewy. Getting Wahle at guard could have improved the o-line and given them some nice depth. I don't think TT would have considered bringing in Moss because that would have been an admission of failure from last year.

Favre is definitely giving the whole taking the ball home approach to this, but I can't blame him. I don't think you have to break the bank to improve the team, but to have a HOF QB, with his stature in the community and the league, to play small ball like you're the Brewers is pathetic. The Packers have money and have lost Favre (at least for now) because TT was unwilling to use any of it. They got very lucky with injuries last year and pretty lucky with the way the schedule broke for them and I am sure that Favre had to weigh the chances of winning the Superbowl vs. the chances of losing and possibly ruining his quality of life after football. It shouldn't have ended this way. Way to go Ted!

Crumpler...why? Lee is a capable receiving TE. They need a blocking TE to replace Bubba. But would an older TE coming off of an injury plagued year have been the difference?

Wahle? Maybe...how would he fit in with the scheme...and he did sign quite quickly with Seattle.

Williams? I doubt Favre thought that. They drafted Harrell #1 and with Jolly and Cole and Pickett...they still have a solid rotation.

I disagree that Favre is definitely dong that.

Small ball?

Yes...they have money...but TT is unwilling to spend it on marginal talent and players that are not at big positions of need.

Yup...way to go Ted...you did not mortgage the future for a 38 year old QB cause that is not your job.

Instead...Ted has helped build this team back up after some serious cap and depth issues and helped build what was the #3 offense in the NFL last year and a damn solid defense.

 

[3nOut]

Jennings, Jones, Lee, Driver, Robinson. Name me 4 other teams with WRs and a TE that good and that deep?And then there is Grant who showed he had a bit of talent last year.

I think it would actually be VERY easy to name 4 other teams with better WRs and TEs.I might be able to find 10 if you really want me to try.

Really...4 with more depth and better than that?Go.NEIndyArizonaCinci??????There are 4 that could be considered for sure.But with the ??? that is Marvin right now...might have to knock Indy down. After Wayne...it gets a bit thin as we all saw last year down the stretch and in the playoffs.10? hah!!!!! Id love to see you try.

Not saying that i agree one way or another, but how about:1. Cleveland: Braylon, Stallworth, Jurevicius, Winslow2. Dallas: To, Glenn, Crayton, Witten, Fasano3. Jax: R. Willaims, Williamson, Porter, Northcutt, M. Jones, Lewis4. NYG: Burress, Moss, Smith, Toomer, Tyree, Shockey, Boss5. Detroit: Williams, C. Johnson, McDonald, Furrey, (light on TE)6. NO: Colston, Henderson, Meacham, Copper, Johnson, Miller7. Pittsburgh: Ward, Holmes, Wilson, Washington, Miller??

 

[ookook]

"Yup...way to go Ted...you did not mortgage the future for a 38 year old QB cause that is not your job."

I thought we agreed the GMs job was to win a Superbowl. You mean spending the money you have under the cap wisely is mortaging? N'way.

Launch was right on every account.

Please explain how losing Brett Favre improves their chances to win a Superbowl.

TT NEVER, EVER, EVER, gave Favre the respect he deserved based on his stature in the leauge or community.

 

[sho nuff]

Jennings, Jones, Lee, Driver, Robinson. Name me 4 other teams with WRs and a TE that good and that deep?And then there is Grant who showed he had a bit of talent last year.

I think it would actually be VERY easy to name 4 other teams with better WRs and TEs.I might be able to find 10 if you really want me to try.

Really...4 with more depth and better than that?Go.NEIndyArizonaCinci??????There are 4 that could be considered for sure.But with the ??? that is Marvin right now...might have to knock Indy down. After Wayne...it gets a bit thin as we all saw last year down the stretch and in the playoffs.10? hah!!!!! Id love to see you try.

Not saying that i agree one way or another, but how about:1. Cleveland: Braylon, Stallworth, Jurevicius, Winslow2. Dallas: To, Glenn, Crayton, Witten, Fasano3. Jax: R. Willaims, Williamson, Porter, Northcutt, M. Jones, Lewis4. NYG: Burress, Moss, Smith, Toomer, Tyree, Shockey, Boss5. Detroit: Williams, C. Johnson, McDonald, Furrey, (light on TE)6. NO: Colston, Henderson, Meacham, Copper, Johnson, Miller7. Pittsburgh: Ward, Holmes, Wilson, Washington, Miller??

Jacksonville? Are you serious? None of those guys are even close to just Driver and Jennings...much less adding in Jones, Robinson and Lee.Detroit? Hah!!!!!!NO might be in the future...but right now...Coloston is solid...the rest are inconsistent and totally unproven.Pitt? Ward on his last legs is no better than Driver...Jennings and Holmes some would consider a wash...GB dominates after that.Glenn is done for Dallas...Cratyon is a#4 at best.Cleveland is interesting. Im just not that high on Stallworth and Jurevicious is done. Braylon is good and I like Witten...but beyond that...not that impressive IMO.

 

[ookook]

Not saying that i agree one way or another, but how about:1. Cleveland: Braylon, Stallworth, Jurevicius, Winslow2. Dallas: To, Glenn, Crayton, Witten, Fasano3. Jax: R. Willaims, Williamson, Porter, Northcutt, M. Jones, Lewis4. NYG: Burress, Moss, Smith, Toomer, Tyree, Shockey, Boss5. Detroit: Williams, C. Johnson, McDonald, Furrey, (light on TE)6. NO: Colston, Henderson, Meacham, Copper, Johnson, Miller7. Pittsburgh: Ward, Holmes, Wilson, Washington, Miller??

You really should list NE in there me thinks. Much as it pains me. Arizona too.

 

[sho nuff]

"Yup...way to go Ted...you did not mortgage the future for a 38 year old QB cause that is not your job."I thought we agreed the GMs job was to win a Superbowl. You mean spending the money you have under the cap wisely is mortaging? N'way.Launch was right on every account.Please explain how losing Brett Favre improves their chances to win a Superbowl.TT NEVER, EVER, EVER, gave Favre the respect he deserved based on his stature in the leauge or community.

I agree that his job is not just to win one SB.Because winning it all is a long shot. His job is to put a team together that can do so...and hopefully do so more than once.No...overspending on marginal talent that might just piss off your core players is mortgaging the future. Giving ridiculous money to guys that are not as talented as some of the guys you already have on your team is not a great idea.I disagree that he was right on every account.Thompson has built a hell of a team so far...not sure why all the bashing here but most of it is completely laughable all because they did not pander to the rumored wants of Brett Favre.Link to your last line? Id love to see where TT never gave him respect...because he had the nerve to draft a QB?Because he did not go out and get Moss (where he and several others were not sure he was worth the risk...the hindsight on that move is hilarious...there were more people bashing the Packers for considering it than there were those who thought it was a no-brainer...now everybody acts like they knew it all along).

 

[ookook]

Never mind. I see you listing beyond his four.

I suspect Packer fans are the only ones to be impressed by anything after Jennings and Driver.

 

[sho nuff]

Never mind. I see you listing beyond his four. I suspect Packer fans are the only ones to be impressed by anything after Jennings and Driver.

Im impressed with what Jones did. And as a rookie he was a very good #3 WR.Robinson as a #4 is just gravy and Lee showed he was a pretty good TE.I think far more than just Packer fans think their WRs are good.They were very highly regarded all season.

 

[Phase of the Game]

Favre to retire... until about august when he changes his mind again. I'll believe it when he's not on the team opening day.

Changes his mind again? When did announce his retirement in the past?

 

[Phase of the Game]

I suspect that the cap-friendly contract that re-couped 12 million on retirement was something that just added incentive to TT to wish for Favre's retirement.

Who are the top UFA defensive players or OL out there?

Where in the world do we need anyone on defense??Safety? No.

Corner? No.

Linebacker? Hawk & Barnett are great.

Line? No.

We could use some OL, but our offense was absurdly good last year. We just need to wait for our young guys to improve. I think this was gonna be our year. If Rodgers is good, it still might be.

Saftey - As a group I would say they are decent...at best. Collins needs to make a jump just to get back to where he started. Will Bigby follow down the same path?Corner - YES Between Woodson and Harris there are some major age issues. Getting the next starting CB(s) for the team is probably priority one.

Linbacker - Barnett can get out of positions at times, but is a great player. Hawk hasn't shown me great. It's either an indictment as him as a player or the coaching staff that a #5 pick isn't at a level that you would say is consistent. Personally I think that with Jenkins, Pickett, and Kampman that by adding another OLB and being able to add the flexibility of playing some pressure 3-4 that they could take advantage of their LB speed.

Line? Losing Corey Williams forces JH into the spotlight. I'm sure this is one of those moves that Favre looked at and said wtf. A 2nd round pick may be better for the long haul, but this team was almost in the Superbowl.

The questions that need to be asked are why didn't they try to bring in Wahle and Crumpler. These guys signed for relative peanuts and could have helped the team at very reasonable prices. With Crumpler and Lee working in tandem it could have been the new Jackson and Chewy. Getting Wahle at guard could have improved the o-line and given them some nice depth. I don't think TT would have considered bringing in Moss because that would have been an admission of failure from last year.

Favre is definitely giving the whole taking the ball home approach to this, but I can't blame him. I don't think you have to break the bank to improve the team, but to have a HOF QB, with his stature in the community and the league, to play small ball like you're the Brewers is pathetic. The Packers have money and have lost Favre (at least for now) because TT was unwilling to use any of it. They got very lucky with injuries last year and pretty lucky with the way the schedule broke for them and I am sure that Favre had to weigh the chances of winning the Superbowl vs. the chances of losing and possibly ruining his quality of life after football. It shouldn't have ended this way. Way to go Ted!

WOW...you have no concept of reality. I suggest you listen to the press conference today and Favre's message to Mort. Also Al Jones, a family friend and reporter, stated that Favre told him he was exhausted immediately after the season and Favre's brother Scott also thought he'd retire based on speaking to Favre. Don't make this to be more than it is.

 

[sho nuff]

WOW...you have no concept of reality. I suggest you listen to the press conference today and Favre's message to Mort. Also Al Jones, a family friend and reporter, stated that Favre told him he was exhausted immediately after the season and Favre's brother Scott also thought he'd retire based on speaking to Favre. Don't make this to be more than it is.

There are a group of people out there that simply don't like Ted Thompson and will bash most everything he does.Never mind that the team made it to 13-3 and the NFC Title game.Never mind that the team finished #3 in total offense (yet did not do enough in the offseason to improve the offense).He did not go out and get Randy Moss...so TT is the devil.He will not go out and overpay marginal talent in FA so he is the devil.

 

[supa mann]

Just wanted to tip my hat to the Ironman and one of my absolute favorite athletes to ever watch in any sport. Hard to believe he is really done this time but he went out with about as good a season as he could ever hope for. What an amazing season to go out with. Kudos Brett.

Sorry Packer fans. It was really weird watching football when Aikman retired and I often felt a little empty but still had Emmitt to cheer for. It was definitely hard when Emmitt called it quits, but I can tell you from experience, you will find someone else that defines your love for all things Green Bay.

Hope to see Brett stop by at a few Monday night halftimes and stuff like that. I'm sure he will.

 

[Todem]

A true NFL warrior and a legend. It was a pleasure watching this guy play the game at the highest level.

Now enjoy your kids and wife everyday Brett.

 

[scott72]

Better receivers than GBALNEINDCINAZMaybe better:NYGDETDENHOUMoving up:SDKCCLEThe trick is how good would they have been WITHOUT Favre? He did have a knack for making mediocre WRs look good.

Dude you are...

 

[scott72]

So you do not think NYG had better OL, DL, LB, and RBs than GB?No reason to improve at any of those then, huh?

Those listed positions may have played better in the Championship game, but remember week 2? Who played the better game then? You can't take one game and say their talent is heads and tails better than ours. It's all relative in the grand scheme of things. One game doesn't make one pool of players better than another.

 

[scott72]

NYG:BuressShockeyToomerHixonTyreeSinorice MossSteve SmithI see that as A LOT of talent and tons of depth.And I think I would trade GBs WRs for that list straight up.

Oh my goodness..

 

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NYG:BuressShockeyToomerHixonTyreeSinorice MossSteve SmithI see that as A LOT of talent and tons of depth.And I think I would trade GBs WRs for that list straight up.

I'd suggest you find another sport to follow.