RoarinSonoran
Footballguy
"Thou shalt not question the FBG Gods and go against the Holy Cheatsheet!"Cheatsheet said Elam, I said "nah, he's hurt, so I'll start Stover!"Cheatsheet said MIA D, I said "nah, dance with what brung ya - KC D!"Oh well....
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Gridiron Dog
Footballguy
On the other hand... Moss was listed as the #1 WR and Brooks was at #3 
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Yeh and Deuce was #2, WTF!!!! 
Preds
Footballguy
The FBG cheatsheets are totally worthless IMO just like much of the rest of the FBG premium content. So many of you are so blindsided with your FBG obsession that you can't see how often they've been way wrong (much more than they've been right). Amaziningly similar to the general consensus of these boards which is usally much more wrong than right.Case in point, Troy Walters subbing in for Marvin this week. Most on this board trashed his value in place of Marvin, and FBG's had him ranked in the 50's, while a guy like Calico was ranked 26. I'm sure Calico's 22 yards receiving won a lot of games this week, while the 88 yards and a TD put up by Walters was sitting on the bench for many.The degeneration of quality info on this site is depressing. Back in the old cheatsheets.net days it was great stuff, but the past 2 years have been nothing but useless information overkill with very little quality. Worse yet, you have to sift through so much trash on both the premium site and these boards that the time expended isn't worth the results.Y'all can blindy keep pitching the holiness of the FBG's and this community, however IMO it's become more a site to visit and do the exact opposite of what's being touted.I'm sure I'll get blasted for daring to disagree with the masses, but so be it. Some of you will see what's happened around here and will agree with me, while the majority will likely rally the troops to protect the revered FBG community. Too bad, this used to be a great place to hang out and get quality insight...
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Greg R
Footballguy
The majority of us either stopped reading your post partway through, or will just not bother to reply to it. We'll continue using the FBG content as input for our own decisions, rejecting or accepting what we see fit. We'll continue to have realistic expectations on how well anyone can predict weekly results.
johnd24_42
Footballguy
What's saying that you can't hang out and still get good info from, what seems like a vast amount of knowledgeable guys (from reading many posts over the past few days)?? Are you looking for a crystal ball that will have a 100% success rate from this site? Half the fun is arguing points and exchanging banter. Who they tell you to start, if it's not a great resource will turn you away from the entire site?Say it ain't so!
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johnd24_42
Footballguy
I realized I made a mistake there and edited that out from my post. No need to "sick 'em"...I was just trying to figure out why he couldn't just exchange banter. Not sure what was up with the "four digit number, as that came across pretty sadly. Oh well.
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Night Hawks
Footballguy
It's almost as if you're sitting here watching me stop reading.
Night Hawks
Footballguy
Don't mind ***la, he's head of the know-it-alls........er, I mean the three digit clubbers.
Edit: Changed it to know-it-alls from something that may have been very offensive. 
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bentley
Footballguy
LMAO at the edit. did the PC police come after you...or was this a personal choice?i was quite amused by the 'double-meaning' given my reputation (be it deserved or not) over in the FFA.Don't mind ***la, he's head of the know-it-alls........er, I mean the three digit clubbers.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
That hindsight stuff is great, ain't it?Yea, I'm not too happy that I played Shipp today instead of Rudi, Moe, or James Jackson, based on FBG's updated cheatsheets sent out this morning. However, we're all responsible for our own decisions. With that said, please post your rankings for next week at each position and we'll compare to what FBG has. You don't have to rank everyone, I'm thinking top 15 at each position should do it. TIA.
Night Hawks
Footballguy
Personal choice. I didn't want you to think I was commenting on the FFA "reputation" when it wasn't. I'm glad you were amused though.LMAO at the edit. did the PC police come after you...or was this a personal choice?i was quite amused by the 'double-meaning' given my reputation (be it deserved or not) over in the FFA.Don't mind ***la, he's head of the know-it-alls........er, I mean the three digit clubbers.
Then again there are 999 members of the, ahem, club. So who knows if they'd be amused! johnd24_42
Footballguy
Thank you for the support Night Hawks! Nice to just be reminded (even though I was already sure of it on the first day that I was here) that there are people who don't condescend on a (beepin') fantasy football forum! Not only that but have a sense of humor about themselves!Don't mind ***la, he's head of the know-it-alls........er, I mean the three digit clubbers.
johnd24_42
Footballguy
There's no forum that's that good that can have an immature "club" of certain members. Wow, that just reeks of the guys who just haven't had an "in" in any facet of their lives. Hopefully that's not a trend.
Night Hawks
Footballguy
He does??Ok, so is he Pro-Metallica or Anti-Metallica........::LeavingPoolForFFA::
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: ODDS OF ACCEPTING CHALLANGE: 14%ODDS OF SUCCESS AGAINST FBG CONTENT: 32% 
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beer 30
Footballguy
Anybody in particular you have in mind meat?
Personally, I agree Preds. It gets ridiculous around here at times. You complain about the content and get absolutely flamed. If you're paying for a product, I think you have the right to voice your displeasure with the product.That said, it is up to you to make that final decision. I'm sure FBG's, like the Huddle, like FFToday, like every other site that offers up their opinions on players have been wrong plenty of times. If you blindly follow someone's advice, you're an idiot. Hell, I'm 9-2 in a league, send me twenty bucks and I'll gladly tell you who to start every week.
Sinrman
Footballguy
Simple solution for you -- don't bother visiting this site, don't bother reading any more posts, and don't subscribe to the cheatsheets offered here, if it is all so "worthless." I mean, really. Why bother if it all upsets you so much and you feel it's not worth anything?Predicting fantasy production each week is an impossible science. The info provided by the FBG staff each week is their "take" on the action coming up. It's not perfect. Nor is anyone's opinion at this site, or ANY site out there. If you disagree with a person's opinion on a player or team, then there's a simple solution here -- ignore it. No one here is forcing YOU to start Player X or Defense Y. If someone like Bristol makes what you feel is a stupid prediction, ignore it, and move on. If you feel this is prevalent on this site, then go elsewhere. Simple as that...And to answer your question, I'm not a FBG premium subscriber.
Preds
Footballguy
I never called myself a self proclaimed expert, however what I attacked are the crazy comments about the "FBG Gods" and "Holy CHeatsheats" which are just unreal.Further, look at some of the big debates on the boards. Many of them have been so blinded by their own consensus that the few who speak up on the other side of the fence are blasted or ridiculed for incompetance or poor insight. My case with Walters is just that, read some of the threads on him, a few guys said yea, he'll do ok and Manning will be fine, while the majority stepped in and drowned out those comments with their own biases, particularly towards Reggie Wayne. Walters is just one of many. The FBG community has been wrong on so many cases, far more often then they've been right. Should I mention Ben Gay? Or Quincy Morgan (regardless of today's anomaly). As a whole the boards have become a big FBG lovefest and that's about it. They're decent to find out who's active before gametime and that's about it.As for Cracker's comment, he's one of the posters I actually respect in most cases. He's not perfect, but his insights are often keen.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
I didn't happen to read any of the Walters threads this week so you may be right. But I think in general you are incorrect about how most topics are 1-sided.Both sides of most topics are well represented around here. For instance I think there were just as many O. Smith doubters as there were believers.Oh well, I've had enough of the shark pool for one night. If anyone needs me I'll be in HERE.
Preds
Footballguy
Well quite honestly, I do not use the cheatsheets at all, I submit my lineups and then look at the cheatsheets later to see what the so called "experts" are thinking, which is usually good for a laugh.I generally don't follow the advice of any posters here either to be honest. I read what I can on topics that impact me and then make my own judgements on the information presented, however, what I've learned over the last 2 seasons is to ignore the consensus and look at the few posters who are able to think outside the box. They seem to be right a lot more often than wrong.As for my subscription, I've done it 2 straight years more as a donation out of my loyalties from the Cheatsheets.net days, but I've had enough. I won't be subscribing next year, no big loss for the FBG's or myself.This community ant the FBG's themselves just aint what it used to be.
I think that I get value for my time spent on the board as well as the $20 fee for the premium content.However, I was surprised at the low cheatsheet ranking this week for Clark, TE on the Colts. I did not notice a significant upgrade for him following Harrison and Pollard's injury. I have had Crumpler alone in two leagues and picked up Clark this morning in two leagues for this week and maybe next and as a back-up for the playoffs.So, I sort of agreed that Wayne and Walters would not have a big increase because I was expecting it for Clark. As it turned out, all three did well, but not as well as EDGE, who scored three studly TDs today.Go Colts! especially Clark and Edge!
johnd24_42
Footballguy
Beer, I like how you post, and anyone that calls a new guy "Meat" is one I have to respect. I think you knew who I was gunning for though. 
Preds
Footballguy
I wish you were right Shick, however if you step away and look at the progression of the site over the last few years you might just realize that while FBG has drmatically grown in members and stature, it's quality and insights have in fact declined.I can't tell you how many guys I know who are no longer fans of FBG, in fact the site has become so average that I have no problems letting anyone in my leagues know about it, because the facts are the content and quality is not nearly as good as it once was.
Kleck
Footballguy
And another thing...Calling the lists that Dodds and company create a "laugh" is easy to do. Willing to put up? If not I won't say you should shut up. You always have the right to speak your mind, just as I have the right to call you out on an inane statement.I agree that the cheatsheet lists are not the valuable part of the site. The value in this site is the constant flow of information into your email inbox. FBGs gets you the information, you get to make roster decisions feeling confident you have current information.
allfaulkedup
Footballguy
Cheatsheets or any other "progno" for football is nothing but "precision guesswork". If this was not so FBG would have long since sold out to vegas and retired very rich men indeed.I think that what we are all looking for is an edge much like a soft count when playing blackjack, it ain't exact but it is something. If you feel a player is going to perform better than somebody else believes than thats what you go with. If you dont then why bother to have a FF team at all, just go ahead and let FBG or the boards run your team.Use the cheatsheets don't use the cheatsheets listen to somebody else in the forums or don't what I find valuable in FBG premium content are the Targets, FP allowed/scored, strength of schedule, team tends....etc the minutiae that I could never collect one my own and still work 40 hours a week. That type of stuff is definetly worth to what amounts to about 1/3 of an hour for my time. I find the team notes on the TFL report great stuff as well. Keep up the good work there, where else I am going to find some guy to pour over every damn Homer newspaper for 20 bucks and present it in an unbias way?I am not an FBG fan boy I just believe that if you are using the premium content for the cheatsheets alone, you would be better off asking your league commish who to start every week.
I find the team notes on the TFL report great stuff as well. Keep up the good work there, where else I am going to find some guy to pour over every damn Homer newspaper for 20 bucks and present it in an unbias way?I am not an FBG fan boy I just believe that if you are using the premium content for the cheatsheets alone, you would be better off asking your league commish who to start every week.
creeps1313
Footballguy
People started Shipp over Rudi?!? Sorry, but thats your own fault....
that was totally random.So, if you're that damn good, like Shick said let's see your cheatsheets from now on so we can see how come you are undefeated again this year. Of course I am assuming you are undefeated by the way you're talking here. Your cheatsheets and predictions must be awesome. And if you truly are this good, where is your website??Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I believe you are another in a long line that my sig was written for....Please see my sig, because it fits you to a "T"
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Preds
Footballguy
I have no need for a refund, and no expectations that one should even be offered. I paid as a donation to support the boards. Unfortunately the quality of the Sharkpool has digressed so much that it's not worth supporting in the future. I'm just stating an opinion. My opinion, which is just that, my opinion... is that the site aint what it used to be. Particularly the in-season content. The pre-season content is OK, particularly the Draft Dominator which is a cool tool, but even it relies too heavily on the VBD app which is a flaw in and of itself. Nonetheless, the DD is a handy tool for tracking the draft.Anyhow, I don't think flaming your clients is a good way to go about securing future business. My orginal points related to the wasy so many in the sharkpool seem to revere the FBG's and anything they state. That combined with way outside the box thinking gets blasted around here has killed the site IMO.
Kleck
Footballguy
I'm done engaging your Preds. As a customer (who is disatisfied, but doesn't want a refund?) I hope you don't think I'm going to agree with everything you have to say. I think you're wrong. I'm also going to keep pointing it out if I think you're wrong. Just because someone pays a subscription for this site doesn't give them the right to stand in our lobby trashing the site. If you have some suggestions for improvement, I'm all ears. If you just want to complain, perhaps you should move on.
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Preds
Footballguy
Why would I waste my time putting together a complete list of names when only a few pertain to me or my teams. Want me to tell you who I'd start each week on each of my teams? Give me a break.If you really read my comments, you would not that they're more about the mentality of these boards then anything else. It's either lets all praise the FBG's... or let's shoot down the one who has a different opinion than the clan.Your comments are typical of the sheep mentality that is so prevelant here.
bentley
Footballguy
i find it funny that Preds is suggesting that we are all sheep and there is nothing but love for the Cheatsheets, yet seemingly every week there is someone calling out Dodds and so forth. See the Santana Moss thread a couple of weeks back.I think there are some who will defend the owners here no matter what, but I think it is silly to suggest that most around here view the Cheatsheets as a Holy Grail, when the authors of said cheatsheets themselves state that they arent a Holy Grail.
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