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FBGs vs Kasparov- chess game- Draw agreed to (1 Viewer)

timschochet said:
And Kaspy waits about 3 seconds before playing Ra7+ 

We have 3 choices here: 

1. Kd6 as planned. 

2. Ke8, to see if he goes back to Ra8 or tries to avoid the draw with a different move. 

3. Bc7 we haven't really looked at this- does it make any sense? 
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Lets try option 2. What's to lose?

 
Great analysis, Wilk. I guess we can't play Bc7 after all. 

However, your scenario doesn't work either, IMO, for the same reason I stated before: All white has to do is sacrifice his bishop for our e pawn. Then we have a bishop and a rook against a bishop. If there is a way to win that, I don't know how. 

 
Wilk said:
Lets try option 2. What's to lose?
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You mean Ke8 just to see what he does? Yeah I kinda like that too. 

Again if he plays Ra8 then we know he is playing for a draw. If he doesn't, perhaps we can take advantage (though I don't see any good moves for white besides Ra8. 

It's an interim move and costs us nothing. I'm playing it. 

Ke8

 
I think we go back to ke8 because maybe he doesn't want to draw, more so because we might should have played f6 instead of kd7. I didn't look hard enough at it. One of our e or f pawns is dead. Let's use it to our advantage since we know it.

....ke8

Ra8...f6

Bh4...kd7

Ra7+...kd6

Much better 

Or

...ke8

Ra8...f6

Rb8...rdx5

Ke3...kd7

kxe4...re5+

Muchbetter, too, right?

Or

...ke8

And he doesn't play ra8. Much better.

 
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Wilk said:
I think we go back to ke8 because maybe he doesn't want to draw, more so because we might should have played f6 instead of kd7. I didn't look hard enough at it. One of our e or f pawns is dead. Let's use it to our advantage-ish. make him move his bishop.

....ke8

Ra8...f6

Bh4...kd7

Ra7+...kd6

Much better 

Or

...ke8

Ra8...f6

Rb8...rdx5

Ke3...kd7

kxe4...re5+

Muchbetter, too, right?
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Yeah. Second variation is still a draw. But it does look better, I agree. 

 
timschochet said:
Kd7 is more direct and it gets our king active. But it's hard to see how we win. f6 might give us winning chances- maybe. 
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After now running this through a bunch off ways, I think Tim was correct here.

 
timschochet said:
Yeah. Second variation is still a draw. But it does look better, I agree. 
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So i vote we move back to ke8.

Maybe he doesn't play ra8, which is good.

If he does, then f6. Then maybe he plays bh4 and we are good.

Does this work for rb8 where we stay up a pawn...

If ra8...f6

Rb8...rxd5

Ke3...rf5

 
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Wilk said:
So i vote we move back to ke8.

Maybe he doesn't play ra8, which is good.

If he does, then f6. Then maybe he plays bh4 and we are good.

Does this work for rb8 where we stay up a pawn...

If ra8...f6

Rb8...rxd5

Ke3...rf5
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The last one isn't a pretty situation, but we are temporarily up 3 pawns to one.

 
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OK, Wilk's variations are as good as anything we've looked at. I'm sold. 

If white plays Ra8 we're going with f6. If then Bh4, Kd2 (which is far better than my Ke2). 

 
Kaspy plays Ra8. His message is "your call." 

So now we know he's playing for the draw. Guess we've known that for a while. 

I want to play f6 here. Kd7 only puts off the inevitable- we can't win. We might not be able to win with f6 either but it gives us better chances with Wilk's variations. 

Thoughts? 

 
So we (and that we barely includes me if at all, just using the pronoun for convenience) at least fought him to a draw.  Interesting.  

I'm not in favor of taking it.  Have not looked in detail at f6 and won't be able to until tonight, but of course move if there's a rush or no real reason to wait.  

 
Well we've looked at f6 for two days now so no point in waiting. Wilk's variations seem promising, especially the first one. 

f6 it is. 

 
timschochet said:
Kaspy plays Ra8. His message is "your call." 

So now we know he's playing for the draw. Guess we've known that for a while. 

I want to play f6 here. Kd7 only puts off the inevitable- we can't win. We might not be able to win with f6 either but it gives us better chances with Wilk's variations. 

Thoughts? 
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I like that you repeated the position first to see what he'd do.  He wants a draw so pressing for more now should be fun.

 
That leads to a draw. But I'm curious about playing f5 in response to Ke3- if he plays it. He might play Bc5. 

In any case, Rxd5 seems like the obvious move here. But are there any other ideas? 

 
That does look better. The problem with Rxd5, as Wilk pointed out, is Ke3. If f5, Bh4 and our pieces are frozen to the pin. But if we don't play f5 we lose the e pawn (Re5 doesn't defend it for long) and if we lose the e pawn it's a draw. 

But we can give up the b pawn if we can keep the two connected pawns. And so: 

1. Kd7 Rxb5 Kd6 looks good for us. 

2. Kd7 Bh4 Rxd5 Ke3 Rh5 looks good for us too. After he moves the bishop we can play f5 Ke6 etc. 

The key here is keeping the e and f pawn. So Kd7 looks right to me. Thoughts? 

 
timschochet said:
That does look better. The problem with Rxd5, as Wilk pointed out, is Ke3. If f5, Bh4 and our pieces are frozen to the pin. But if we don't play f5 we lose the e pawn (Re5 doesn't defend it for long) and if we lose the e pawn it's a draw. 

But we can give up the b pawn if we can keep the two connected pawns. And so: 

1. Kd7 Rxb5 Kd6 looks good for us. 

2. Kd7 Bh4 Rxd5 Ke3 Rh5 looks good for us too. After he moves the bishop we can play f5 Ke6 etc. 

The key here is keeping the e and f pawn. So Kd7 looks right to me. Thoughts? 
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Bump. Anybody else want to take a look at this? 

 
Kd7 looks best to me, i think.

I agree that we have to try forbthe moment to keep our e and f pawns, if possible.

 
I'm not complaining and I doubt you really want my help anyway but I'd suggest for next time (whether this format or team vs. team) we have a better way to get the current board available to everyone.  I tried to keep up but it was difficult.  I'm not sure if someone has an easy way to do it and I've missed it but I have no clue what the board looks like right now.

And to reiterate, not complaining - really appreciate the effort you've put in to this Tim.

 
AAABatteries said:
I'm not complaining and I doubt you really want my help anyway but I'd suggest for next time (whether this format or team vs. team) we have a better way to get the current board available to everyone.  I tried to keep up but it was difficult.  I'm not sure if someone has an easy way to do it and I've missed it but I have no clue what the board looks like right now.

And to reiterate, not complaining - really appreciate the effort you've put in to this Tim.
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Go to the first page.  Copy the moves Tim has posted including the numbers.

Go to https://www.chess.com/analysis-board-editor. Click on Paste PGN and then paste in Tim's move list.   Viola, board.   Turn on show coordinates, and flip board if you want to view it from black's side of the table.

 
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Have really enjoyed this thread. I know it could turn out a win or a draw and I just want to say, try to win but remember, it's just a game.

Though a draw will haunt you for the rest of your life and ruin your children.

 
Bc7 Rf8 Ke5 This looks right. Not sure what white is supposed to do. Is there a trap? 

if g4 Bd6

 
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Maybe kc7

Rb5...be7

Ra5...rxb4

Ra4...rb3

Ra7+...kd6

Ra6+...ke5

He has to play ba7 or move his rook, and rb6 or ra8 are answered with rxd5.

 
Wilk said:
Maybe kc7

Rb5...be7

Ra5...rxb4

Ra4...rb3

Ra7+...kd6

Ra6+...ke5

He has to play ba7 or move his rook, and rb6 or ra8 are answered with rxd5.
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What does he do after be7? Maybe ra5 is unlikely...maybe ba7 instead. What could be our answer to that?

 
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