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FBGs vs Kasparov- chess game- Draw agreed to (1 Viewer)

timschochet said:
Bg5 Bc3 Re2 Rc8 not good

Bg5 Bc3 Rd3 Rxe4 Rxc3 Rxf4 

There just doesn't seem to be any way to do this. I'm stumped. 

Maybe Bender or Sacramento Bob will find something. 
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Based on what we got so far, f3 looks best to me. I know it's a draw of played properly, but there are plays that look reasonable but are very much in our favor.

In the meantime, so far i have been looking at how to get our pawns home.  maybe turning attention to simply killing the D pawn will offer a new perspective.

 
Just looking at it real quick, I like Re8+, followed by f3+ or bg3+ if he moves the king.  If he brings the bishop down to block then d3.  I don't like the rook on the dark square  for us.

 
What about bd8 with an eye for getting to bc7 and protecting our f pawn and attacking his d pawn from there?

 
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timschochet said:
I looked at this, but I don't think we have the time. Bd8 Bc3 Rd2 Rc8
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What about Bd8 Bc3 Rxd7 (finally!) Rxe4, then move our R over to protect the f-pawn and see if we can queen it.  If you think f3 (the other move I noticed being discussed as I caught up) is a draw, then why not eliminate his d-pawn and see if you can get a win with the remaining pawn.   :shrug:    

 
Aerial Assault said:
What about Bd8 Bc3 Rxd7 (finally!) Rxe4, then move our R over to protect the f-pawn and see if we can queen it.  If you think f3 (the other move I noticed being discussed as I caught up) is a draw, then why not eliminate his d-pawn and see if you can get a win with the remaining pawn.   :shrug:    
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Because we can't. Believe me I've tried. His pieces are too close to the pawn; our king is too far away. That's the nub of it. 

 
I've been looking at this all day. This is a draw. Our only hope, IMO, is to play f3 because it represents the best chance that Kaspy will not find the draw. (That's not much of a chance to be honest- he's too good.) But it's the best chance we have. I'm with Wilk- I say we play f3. 

 
timschochet said:
Because we can't.
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Good time for the quote function to act up.  Maybe it's just me.

Anyway, don't say can't.  Check him with Rd8+.  Check him again, either square that he moves to since he won't block with the bishop.  You should be able to check him again on the next move.  He's pretty boxed in and you have to watch for the d-pawn queening, but it's interesting.  

Or move f3. 

 
Aerial Assault said:
Good time for the quote function to act up.  Maybe it's just me.

Anyway, don't say can't.  Check him with Rd8+.  Check him again, either square that he moves to since he won't block with the bishop.  You should be able to check him again on the next move.  He's pretty boxed in and you have to watch for the d-pawn queening, but it's interesting.  

Or move f3. 
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You mean d1. We can only check him once, because his bishop guards the d2 square. And in any case, checking him just moves his king closer to the pawn. 

 
timschochet said:
You mean d1. We can only check him once, because his bishop guards the d2 square. And in any case, checking him just moves his king closer to the pawn. 
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Yes, Rd1+, sorry.  I'm really tired.  :)     And BTW I don't mean to come in after missing seven or eight moves and be some halfa$$ Captain Monday Morning Quarterback.  You have done an amazing job. 

 
Aerial Assault said:
Yes, Rd1+, sorry.  I'm really tired.  :)     And BTW I don't mean to come in after missing seven or eight moves and be some halfa$$ Captain Monday Morning Quarterback.  You have done an amazing job. 
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Everybody has. And your comments are fine. Take a look at Bg5, I'm still trying to figure it out. 

 
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Bg5 Be5 Rd1+  Kg2 f3+ and he plays Kf2 or Kg3

1.Kf2 Rd2+ Ke1 e3 (or Kg3 f2)

2. Kg3 Rg1+ Kf2 (Kh2 f2) Rg2+ Kf1 e3

All working so far. 

 
timschochet said:
Wait guys. I might see something with Bg5 here:

Bg5 Be5 Rd1+ Kh2 f3 and if Rxe4, f2

What about this? 
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Hm, looks like a good line at first glance, tim.  Does he need to move Be5 after Bg5?  I guess it's a good attacking move for him.  Could he try Rc8?  (I guess that does little.)  Or Rc5 to offer a bishop trade?   (He then loses his pawn and we still have our two but we can't, I don't think, protect both.)  

 
Aerial Assault said:
Hm, looks like a good line at first glance, tim.  Does he need to move Be5 after Bg5?  I guess it's a good attacking move for him.  Could he try Rc8?  (I guess that does little.)  Or Rc5 to offer a bishop trade?   (He then loses his pawn and we still have our two but we can't, I don't think, protect both.)  
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OK let's look at these: 

1. Bg5 Rc8 Rxd7 seems to solve that. 

2. Bg5 Rc5 Rxd4 Rxg5 Kc7.  This looks good for us. We should be able to hang onto both pawns here by taking his pawn with our king and playing f3. 

 
I'm really thinking Bg5 is the answer here, the winning move. The key is to for our rook to check on d1 before playing f3. Then we're a step ahead in all variations. I'd like to get some feedback on this. 

 
Quote function all screwy, must be on my end.  I'll adjust manually . . . 

"1. Bg5 Rc8 Rxd7 seems to solve that."  

Whoops!  Sure does.  Derp.  :)   :bag:

I thought of Bc3 for him too but I don't think that gets him anything because he endangers his pawn and we just play Rd1+ as you said. 

"2. Bg5 Rc5 Rxd4 Rxg5 Kc7.  This looks good for us. We should be able to hang onto both pawns here by taking his pawn with our king and playing f3. "

Yeah.  Maybe that makes no sense for him but he might like clearing the bishops and having his rook near our pawns.  Leaving it up to our king to capture the d-pawn makes me a little nervous, but what the hey.   

Bg5 could indeed be a very good move.   

 
Further analysis: 

Rd1+ Kg2 f3+ and: 

1. Kh2 f2

2. Kf2 Bh4+ Ke3 f2

3. Kg3 Rg1+ and: 

A: Kh2 Rg2+ kh1 (or Kh3) e3

B. Kh3 f2

Everything seems to work, do the next move is Rd1+. If you guys have different thoughts, let me know. 

 
timschochet said:
Further analysis: 

Rd1+ Kg2 f3+ and: 

1. Kh2 f2

2. Kf2 Bh4+ Ke3 f2

3. Kg3 Rg1+ and: 

A: Kh2 Rg2+ kh1 (or Kh3) e3

B. Kh3 f2

Everything seems to work, do the next move is Rd1+. If you guys have different thoughts, let me know. 
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Yeah I think you are going to be able to squeeze that f-pawn thru by either sacking the bishop or using it to protect f2

 
timschochet said:
Ok I've found a variation that may save black: 

Rd1 Kh2 f3 Bd4

Still working on this...
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Well if he plays this the best I can come up with is Bf4+ Kh3 Bc7

 This doesn't win the game, but it gets us closer. 

There's very little feedback for the last 24 hours, but it's cool; when I played Bg5 Rd1+ had to be the next move, and most likely f2 after that; this was the whole point. So let's do it. 

Rd1+ 

 
Since last board update I think only two moves have been made?   If so I thought/think our only move was to take his pawn with our rook?  Sorry.

 
Kaspy plays Kh2. I was all set to play f3 here until I considered Bd4 as a response. Still f3 might be the right move. Or we might also play e3. 

Im going to wait now until the rest of you interested have had your say. I believe we can and should win this game. 

 
If I'm Kaspy the most obvious response to f3 is Kg2 to prevent e3. Which is why I lean towards f3. Remember, after f3 he can't take the e pawn: 

f3 Rxe4 f2

so He pas to respond Bc4, right? 

 
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