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FBGs vs Kasparov- chess game- Draw agreed to (1 Viewer)

Mister CIA said:
Still wandering around the desert - King B6
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We can't get there in time. Rxe3 fxe3 Kf3 Kc5 Kxe2 At this point, Kaspy doesn't even  need to capture the other pawn- he can leave his king on e2 forever and we can't dislodge him. However, he can capture it anytime by playing Bf2. 

 
Kaspy plays Rc5! 

Thats what I was hoping for. Now I can play Bf6. 

We're still alive with winning chances. 

 
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timschochet said:
So Re3 Rc5 ( I don't see any other good moves for white) Bf6 Rf5 (again no other good moves) Bc3 Bf2 (forced) Be5 Be1 (forced) and Kc6 and we're going to win by bringing our king up. 

Please analyse this and let me know if I've made any errors this time. 
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Here is my earlier calculation. I plan on Bf6. 

 
The game has been going on over a month...No need to get in a hurry now.   That quick a move lets him know he did what you wanted him to do. 

 
And of course Kaspy plays Rc4. Not falling for the trap! 

Nonetheless I like our position. Now we need to take our time again and consider our options: we've got f3+ or Be5

 
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Good morning. I've looked and looked. This is a draw, unless Kaspy makes a mistake. He's not going to make a mistake at this point and it's kind of insulting to him, and to the way he's played, to hope he does. 

Therefore I propose offering a draw. If anyone disagrees, you need to come up with a way to move forward. 

 
Just to detail the last post: I order to prevent Rxf4 (which will be a draw) we need to play f3+, Be5, or Bg5. There are no other moves: 

2. f3+ Kf2 Rd3 Rf4 and there's no way to stop Rxf3. if Bd4+, Rxd4 Rxd4 Kxf3. 

2. Be5 Kf2 coming next is Bd2 and he wins one of the pawns and draw. No way to stop it. 

3. Bg5 This returns us to our previous position from 2 moves ago. Kaspy can simplay Rc5 asking for a draw by repetition. We can then move the bishop somewhere else but I haven't been able to figure out anywhere else to move the bishop that advances us forward. 

So there we are; that's why I am proposing a draw. 

 
Wait a minute. I looked again, and there might be something there. 

Bg5 (returns us to the previous position and threatens f3+.)  

Bg5 Rc5 Be7 Rc4 and NOW I think we can play f3+ 

f3+ Kf2 Rd3 and now he can't play Rf4- Rf4 Bc5+ 

Ha! We shouldn't give up just yet; I was wrong. I propose Bg5. 

 
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timschochet said:
Wait a minute. I looked again, and there might be something there. 

Bg5 (returns us to the previous position and threatens f3+.)  

Bg5 Rc5 Bd7 Rc4 and NOW I think we can play f3+ 

f3+ Kf2 Rd3 and now he can't play Rf4- Rf4 Bc5+ 

Ha! We shouldn't give up just yet; I was wrong. I propose Bg5. 
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Which square did you mean when you said Bd7?  d7 is a white square.

What if instead of Rc4 he goes Rf5?

 
If you can free your King you might be able to get to a rook/bishop v. bishop endgame.  His king is in a location where you would have a chance.

 
Buzzbait said:
What makes you think he's going Rc5? On the previous page you mentioned Rc3 (which I think he's more likely to do than Rc5) and I haven't seen an answer to this play.
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I may have a piece position mixed up, but if after Bg5 white moves Rc3, I believe f3+ loses him his rook and the game. 

 
Aerial Assault said:
I may have a piece position mixed up, but if after Bg5 white moves Rc3, I believe f3+ loses him his rook and the game. 
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So your thinking....

Rc3 f3+ Kf2 Rxc3 Bxc3

Then what? Best case scenario I see is trading rooks and I don't think you'll be able to push either of the pawns home with just King/Bishop. 

 
Buzzbait said:
So your thinking....

Rc3 f3+ Kf2 Rxc3 Bxc3

Then what? Best case scenario I see is trading rooks and I don't think you'll be able to push either of the pawns home with just King/Bishop. 
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I *did* have a piece position mixed up, the location of our bishop.  Thanks to Rick for the updated diagram. 

I agree, getting the pawns forward without having a rook is going to be difficult if not impossible, so the rook trade is probably not a real great idea. 

 
Buzzbait said:
What makes you think he's going Rc5? On the previous page you mentioned Rc3 (which I think he's more likely to do than Rc5) and I haven't seen an answer to this play.
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He had the chance to play Rc3 before and he didn't. Either he didn't see it (unlikely) or there was something about it he didn't like and preferred Rc5 instead. I think he'll play Rc5 again because it sets up draw by repetition. 

If however he plays Rc3 we're retreating our rook. We're not trading it as that leads to a draw. I'm not yet sure which square we should retreat our rook to though- there might be a square which caused Kaspy not to want to play this in the first place. 

 
What about g3+ ?  Is there a way to get the pawn home if you force be1xg3?  I don't see it, but figured I'd throw it out there since I'm not very good.

 
I think Bass has the right idea ultimately. I've been looking at this all wrong, and it's why I've been getting so frustrated. I keep looking for tactical ways to force the pawns home. If those present themselves, great. But the problem is that we're playing rook and bishop against rook, bishop and King. We're at a disadvantage. What we need to concentrate on is protecting our pawns and finding a way to get our King involved. We need to be more patient than I have been. 

 
wdcrob said:
What about g3+ ?  Is there a way to get the pawn home if you force be1xg3?  I don't see it, but figured I'd throw it out there since I'm not very good.
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You mean f3+, right? 

We're trying. Kaspy has prevented it so far. We can't play that until we have an answer to Kf2. 

We're actually threatening to play f3+ right now if white doesn't move his rook- but he'll move his rook. 

 
It appears our present position is solid, in that we can thwart any threat.   Sooooooooooo how about marching our King down to get in on the action?

 
timschochet said:
I think Bass has the right idea ultimately. I've been looking at this all wrong, and it's why I've been getting so frustrated. I keep looking for tactical ways to force the pawns home. If those present themselves, great. But the problem is that we're playing rook and bishop against rook, bishop and King. We're at a disadvantage. What we need to concentrate on is protecting our pawns and finding a way to get our King involved. We need to be more patient than I have been. 
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Problem is the king might as well be in China given how far away it is.

 
Kaspy writes: 

"a repetition? Rather than an offer? Or is there still fight in this dog?" 

OK help me out here guys. I want to answer him in such a way that he will play Rc5 again instead of Rc3. 

Something like "let's play this out for at least a few more moves"? 

 
irishidiot said:
It appears our present position is solid, in that we can thwart any threat.   Sooooooooooo how about marching our King down to get in on the action?
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It's not our turn unfortunately.  Where he moves his rook, hopefully to Rc5 will allow us to play Be7

 
No, I meant sacrificing the Rook on G3 with check.  Is there a way to get a pawn home afterwards?  I went through a few moves and didn't see how to do it, but I'm wondering if a good player might be able to do something with the idea.

 
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