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FFA Moderation Thoughts - What Do You Think? (1 Viewer)
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Max Power
Footballguy
I missed the fallout today, but at least you're open. These next 4 years are scary and anyone who digs in too deep to their opinion is a danger to us all. I think the common man wants whats best, but the established have agendas....
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
The problem isn't pointing it out. In your case it's repeating yourself 65,341 times every thread. Seriously every political thread.
Others draw political lines here (you included) and often respond to the poster instead of the post. I admit I do it too so don't think I'm on my high horse here.
James Daulton
Footballguy
WTF is the Trump thread? I called my cable company complaining that my IP address had been hacked and I was being redirected to some fake sites. I couldn't deal with them when they asked what the #### FBGs was.
Hooper31
Footballguy
Can't deny I miss it now and then, but I was never the right person for that job. I too often took things personally.
Lots of respect for the community that @Joe 8ryant and @David Dodds have created. Hearts are certainly in the right place. It will always be tough to find that middle ground when it comes to anonymous moderation *. The impression that I always got (from Joe especially) was he wanted a forum that guys could safely look at while at work and with their kid looking over their shoulder. If that was truly their intent I think they've been successful way more than they failed.
* Added note: Phenomenal related book by Philip Zimbardo called The Lucifer Effect. He's the guy that created the Stanford Prison Experiment. Was made into a movie in the past two years. The book deals with conditions that can cause good people to do evil things. While reading it I couldn't get past seeing those same conditions in anonymous internet activity.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I think this is an important but challenging point for us anti-Trumpers. Even when it feels like trolling, most of the time they actually believe it. When they say that things that seem ridiculous to us, that's usually what they actually think. When they just post a bunch ofI just ask that those who respond with attacks to look at the substance. IF your feel the substance is too stupid to respond to, still respond to it. It may change a mind.
, they actually do it because they think our arguments are so absurd they're not worth responding to. Even though to us the arguments are completely obvious and well-reasoned. The divide between our realities is just that huge.It took me a REALLY long time to recognize this. Sometimes it's still hard for me. But I think it's useful to keep in mind .
msommer
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
After the election I mostly bowed out of the political thread - it really did seem like folks on both sides were losing their minds. As someone who didn't vote for Trump or Hillary, it seemed like a prudent thing to get out of the fray.
I made a comment about how shocked people were about the election - it seemed that the non-extremist people who voted Trump were somewhat scared to say they were or did vote for him. The only voices speaking up in the right were those happy to vote for him. This helped embolden the left in to thinking that only crazy people voted for Trump. Many will still think that. On the right it seems those crazy people and trolls have come out of the woodwork.
It's been over a month and people are still surprised and in shock about the results - I know I am. Dodds is on point about accepting that people have different beliefs - but that's a two-way street.
I made a comment about how shocked people were about the election - it seemed that the non-extremist people who voted Trump were somewhat scared to say they were or did vote for him. The only voices speaking up in the right were those happy to vote for him. This helped embolden the left in to thinking that only crazy people voted for Trump. Many will still think that. On the right it seems those crazy people and trolls have come out of the woodwork.
It's been over a month and people are still surprised and in shock about the results - I know I am. Dodds is on point about accepting that people have different beliefs - but that's a two-way street.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
flapgreen
Footballguy
So ignorant. Why are you guys doing this Crap? Ruining the damn forum just because you can't have it your way. Same as in real life. Damn you people
bostonfred
Footballguy
If you want to improve the FFA unilaterally, you need to make it better for everyone. The problem is "everyone" means everyone, and everyone wants different things.
There are guys who come here every day to post that they ran 10 miles on the treadmill and post their heart rate. That thread gets bumped dozens of times a day by people saying yeah great job.
There are people who literally only post in GM's thread about nothing.And maybe once in a while they leave if someone posts a link.
There are people who only post in the gambling thread, the soccer thread, the Bachelorette thread, the game of thrones no books thread or the book readers thread or both.
Then there are the politics threads.
The politics clique is the only one that refuses to keep things to a single thread. I get it. Each news story deserves its own topic.
But which other group does that? Do the gamblers start a new thread every time there's a baseball game? Do the runners start a new thread every time there's a big matathon or triathlon? Hell, there's a guy in GMTAN who is having his second brain surgery in less than a year. No new thread. But there's 9 threads discussing stupid things Trump said on the front page right now.
it's even worse now that we have a shorter front page. You get people bumping clique threads a hundred times a day, politics geeks posting a new thread every time a semi original thought crosses their mind, and there's no room left for new threads.
People say if you want to talk about something else, start a new thread. But new threads routinely die early deaths because they don't stay on the front page long enough to get any traction. Which discourages people from starting new threads. Except the politics posters, because all of those threads are kust an ongoing argument between the same people in the same clique. They just refuse to keep it in a single thread.
You want to revive the forum? Get people to start new topics. How do you do that? Reward them with thread views and likes. How do you do that? Give them a reasonable chance of having their thread on the front page long enough to get seen.
These 4 things would make the FFA awesome again
1) create the politics sub forum, and encourage people to report threads so they can be moved there
2) increase the number of threads on the front page. A lot of people will scroll down all day, but they won't click next page. there's a small performance hit on your servers but not a huge deal.
3) bring back topic subtitles so people don't have to make clickbaity thread titles
4) give me mod powers including the ability to give mod powers to other people as i see fit.
#MFFAGA
There are guys who come here every day to post that they ran 10 miles on the treadmill and post their heart rate. That thread gets bumped dozens of times a day by people saying yeah great job.
There are people who literally only post in GM's thread about nothing.And maybe once in a while they leave if someone posts a link.
There are people who only post in the gambling thread, the soccer thread, the Bachelorette thread, the game of thrones no books thread or the book readers thread or both.
Then there are the politics threads.
The politics clique is the only one that refuses to keep things to a single thread. I get it. Each news story deserves its own topic.
But which other group does that? Do the gamblers start a new thread every time there's a baseball game? Do the runners start a new thread every time there's a big matathon or triathlon? Hell, there's a guy in GMTAN who is having his second brain surgery in less than a year. No new thread. But there's 9 threads discussing stupid things Trump said on the front page right now.
it's even worse now that we have a shorter front page. You get people bumping clique threads a hundred times a day, politics geeks posting a new thread every time a semi original thought crosses their mind, and there's no room left for new threads.
People say if you want to talk about something else, start a new thread. But new threads routinely die early deaths because they don't stay on the front page long enough to get any traction. Which discourages people from starting new threads. Except the politics posters, because all of those threads are kust an ongoing argument between the same people in the same clique. They just refuse to keep it in a single thread.
You want to revive the forum? Get people to start new topics. How do you do that? Reward them with thread views and likes. How do you do that? Give them a reasonable chance of having their thread on the front page long enough to get seen.
These 4 things would make the FFA awesome again
1) create the politics sub forum, and encourage people to report threads so they can be moved there
2) increase the number of threads on the front page. A lot of people will scroll down all day, but they won't click next page. there's a small performance hit on your servers but not a huge deal.
3) bring back topic subtitles so people don't have to make clickbaity thread titles
4) give me mod powers including the ability to give mod powers to other people as i see fit.
#MFFAGA
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
True. TBH the Pizzagate thing has always not only offended me but also bored me. I think the subject was fraught with danger in terms of the possibility of discussion of what are very real persons, with real names and real lives. I did not participate in that discussion. However it is impossible to talk about public events today without discussing the alleged 'fake news' phenomenon and it is impossible to discuss that without discussing the Pizzagate story.
Here I think there were some outright personal attacks. I agree that is out of line, heck it is the rule of this forum. Problem is what is to be done about that? Does a whole thread on the most important public story of the past year and next year, dating back 16 months, get zapped? Is that the solution? No, the solution is that a mod should step in and give someone a timeout. Or a visible warning that others see. That is good moderation. When all discussion is killed then the moderator has FAILED.
Personally I think another alternative would have been to give the thread a timeout. 24 hours should do it. Just press pause, then UNlock the thread. People have a chance to cool down and recalibrate their behavior.
This btw happened with the Sanders thread which was locked and then unlocked in a similar manner by @Clayton Gray or @Aaron Rudnicki, I do not remember who, but it was a very reasonable approach and the Sanders thread lives today (and I would not be surprise if it's revived in 2020).
Something is broken here. I'm an anti-Trump guy but there are things that make FBGs and FFA beautiful. It starts with the people, who are generally IMO a great bunch of guys (and at least two great gals I know of...), but then it also relies on diversity of opinion.
There have been to my knowledge THREE main Trump threads that have been locked now. A FOURTH was blown up by its originator.
What does this say about us as a country and a race if we cannot come together from all points on the globe and post about current events and discuss political ideas freely?
I'm a grown man with an adult life. I do not overvalue what goes on here and I acknowledge that adults can act childishly on internet forums. But I think at some point we all have to take a stand and try to be better, not only to each other, but in order to do that the people who hold the keys to the discussion must create an environment that is conducive to allowing us to do that.
Complete NON-moderation gradually leading to vituperation and extreme language or direct personal attacks and ultimately to destruction of the entire conversation is NOT that.
Please reconsider the locking of the Trump thread, unlock it and make changes to your moderation policy, as practiced.
Thanks - SID
Zegras11
Footballguy
Best post ever. I like reading the political threads, and it's ridiculous how many there are. trying a new forum for a year should be implemented. There were some great new non political threads in the past week that have just been buried
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
I think all of the mods here are doing an outstanding job and always have.
Keep up the great work, fellas!
Keep up the great work, fellas!
TakiToki
Footballguy
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
I don't think the number of topics is the problem - I prefer to have smaller threads focused on specific topics. I do agree that the limited space on the 1st page is a problem.But ultimately, this really comes down to being excellent to each other. Too many personal attacks - and too many people taking things too personally. If things posted by random internet users on an anonymous board get you that worked up, maybe the internet is not for you.
bostonfred
Footballguy
People who post in politics threads don't think politics threads are a problem, and just want to improve the politics threads.
But ultimately, this really comes down to being excellent to each other. Too many personal attacks - and too many people taking things too personally. If things posted by random internet users on an anonymous board get you that worked up, maybe the internet is not for you.
That leaves out a huge population im the FFA who don't post in politics threads.
I get that you want lots of threads on lots of topics. I do too. We've tried keeping tim in one thread. Within a year he was accusing one of the site owners of anti semitic posting.
There's a logical compromise. You can create a thousand threads a day in a politics forum without impacting the people in the FFA who don't want to sift through politics threads to find new content.
Instead, the politics guys pitch a fit every time this comes up and the rest of us have to deal with an ever worsening forum because you guys can't observe the same forum ettiquette of one thread per bog topic that everyone else does, and you won't allow your threads to.go to a new forum. That single decision has done more permanent damage to this place than any other.
sho nuff
Footballguy
other than 4...good posting for the most part.
Id add
5) actually ban posters who are here to do nothing but rip on other posters and not actually participate in any discussion. If you are on your 5th alias...get the hint that you are not wanted.
I am not really a politics guy. I am more a soccer guy, who posts in the politics threads when something interesting comes up. That is why I would rather discuss Tillerson in a unique thread, rather than have it buried sporadically through a generic Trump thread - kind of deadens any real conversation to have topics interspersed throughout an entire thread.
I have no problem with a politics forum - but I'd rather have a soccer forum first...
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
You realize these are three separate topics, right?
- Where political threads should go.
- Multiple threads on one topic.
- Posters' behavior and moderation thereof.
The third is is the big issue right now. And the first doesn't matter here really because if moderation failed in the FFA (which it did, again) it would have failed in a separate forum too. However on the second point, there WAS one Trump thread and people were largely staying in it. Killing the one thread not only ruins the cohesiveness of the discussion but it also recreated the problem of people being led to create new multiple threads.
If you're against political threads you should be FOR the ONE Trump thread. Good moderation can kill several birds with one stone actually.
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Another problem with the political threads is most people complaining about losing them think it's someone else ruining the discussions and don't look at their own attitude, tone or being a tool. Most people in those threads lack the ability to handle someone disagreeing with them. Saints is the only guy that comes to mind that sticks to the topic and doesn't get personal or troll.
Oh and the moderation of those has always been one sided. People have been banned for trolling the sanders or Clinton threads but yesterday was rare exception when it's the trump thread. And Dodds was extremely generous not to permaban the guy that went nuts at the end of the day. But several mods here draw political lines for or against posters and react accordingly.
Oh and the moderation of those has always been one sided. People have been banned for trolling the sanders or Clinton threads but yesterday was rare exception when it's the trump thread. And Dodds was extremely generous not to permaban the guy that went nuts at the end of the day. But several mods here draw political lines for or against posters and react accordingly.
Capella
Footballguy
You were "fishing" by saying Hillary Clinton was running a child sex ring of her foundation?
Cool, bro
bostonfred
Footballguy
Another politics poster checking in who doesn't think politics threads are a problem, and just wants to improve the politics threads.
Fun fact, you are the guy who literally bumped nothing but age old politics threads to fill the entire first page and more in the last 12 hours You are part of the problem in the FFA. If you had a separate politics forum, though, you wouldn't have had to bump politics threads for the politics guys The whole forum would already have been politics.
You also wouldn't have buried good threads that people will never get to see because you selfishly thought your thread bumping was funny and didn't care what anyone else in the vommunity thought.
When politics is in the ffa, you are part of the bigger problems the ffa faces. In a separate forum, you wouldn't have had any reason to do that.
That's why it's tme to move you guys to a place where you don't have to observe the ettiquette shared by the entire rest of the community.
Max Power
Footballguy
Its #PedoGate now or #LittleLivesMatter which is actually a frightening issue if you look at the numbers. It's sad the population isn't more outraged by this.
msommer
Footballguy
So, was there child abuse going on in the tunnels of the pizza parlor?
Or was that just something that was made up?
adonis
Footballguy
Is there a good reason why we don't have a politics forum? I think it's a great idea and would bother those more sane people here that don't want to discuss it as much. I know it's been discussed a lot over time...but why not give it a shot? If there's ever been a time for it, it'll be during the Trump administration.
Max Power
Footballguy
A ton of that was made up or extreme reaches. But just like the wacko conspiracy theorists you choose to focus on the absurd.
Are you arguing that Child abduction and abuse isn't a major issue? #pizzagate in itself might have been stupid, but it reminded everyone of a bigger issue.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I didn't think it was funny, I was making a point. The point is that killing one thread to keep discussion will just lead to a multiplicity of threads on multiple political subjects.
I'm sorry you don't like politics but obviously I'm cool with it. The sad thing is trying to drive people out of a forum altogether. Once that happens people will not cross-polinate in threads, and the FFA will actually be harmed by it. Go look at FFToday to see how having multiple subject oriented forums works, it doesn't.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Perhaps a private PM to Dodds/Bryant would be more effective than peeing on the forums because they made a decision yesterday that you disagree with?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
That's the purpose of this thread. I don't PM and I don't think thing should be done offline. If I need to apologize and concede it was a mistake I do.
Johnny Rock
Footballguy
Why are you poking the bear so hard? Dodds may just close the whole FFA down.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Every interest group but politics has already separated themselves into different topics. On the front page right now we have
731 page thread on clash of clans
620 page thread on ufc
563 page thread on soccer
186 page thread on books
106 page thread on retirement
25 page reboot of a hundreds of pages long gambling thread
83 page thread on saturday night live
7 different politics threads
Everyone but the politics guys keeps their stuff in one place and only creates a new thread when needed. Politics deserves to be treated differently. Move it to its own forum.
731 page thread on clash of clans
620 page thread on ufc
563 page thread on soccer
186 page thread on books
106 page thread on retirement
25 page reboot of a hundreds of pages long gambling thread
83 page thread on saturday night live
7 different politics threads
Everyone but the politics guys keeps their stuff in one place and only creates a new thread when needed. Politics deserves to be treated differently. Move it to its own forum.
rockaction
Footballguy
bf, you know I respect your opinion. Even though you've been cruel to me, I still listen. But there's this thing that Tobias pointed out and that is that "everything," is politics.
It all stems from a political system, what we debate. Even the 731 page of clash of clans. Even the 620 page thread of ufc.
It spills into everything at some point. People hate when it does. People hated when Kaep signaled.
I get the idea of a sub-forum. That would be great. But how to divorce everyday life from politics is impossible, friend.
i've been visiting the boards less lately because of the Trump stuff, but this is the truth. History is history and politics and politics and they're not through with you, me, nor the NFL.
That becomes the problem. And I honestly have to say I don't trust anybody to moderate it. Perhaps that makes too much of a small "d" democrat for your liking, but it's true.
And I love SID. I think he's doing work here that I really respect, and I don't even know if I'm one of the "political guys." I'd like -- actually -- not to think so. And to @David Dodds, if you said you were quasi-fishing, you had a lot of people that understood that and thought maybe there was something personal going on. I worry about your support of Anonymous, though, and you can lodge that as an official complaint and from someone who has been hacked and bullied on the site.
Peace,
RA
timschochet
Footballguy
What's this "we" stuff? I started my own thread, not we. Nobody ever restricted me. And accusing the Rothschilds of controlling the world's media is a classic anti-Semitic comment. The fact that it was made by one of the owners here makes no difference; it is what it is.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Is there any insight from the baseball guys about the impact of the baseball forum on baseball discussion?
I'm not necessarily opposed to a political forum but I'm a little worried that the more casual political posters would just end up ignoring it and there would be the same ten posters in there all the time.
This may be my own bias as a politics nerd but I sorta feel like politics is a broad enough subject that a lot of folks have things to say. I'd also add that the 2016 election was one of the most extraordinary events of my life, I'd expect things to simmer down a bit going forward.
I'm not necessarily opposed to a political forum but I'm a little worried that the more casual political posters would just end up ignoring it and there would be the same ten posters in there all the time.
This may be my own bias as a politics nerd but I sorta feel like politics is a broad enough subject that a lot of folks have things to say. I'd also add that the 2016 election was one of the most extraordinary events of my life, I'd expect things to simmer down a bit going forward.
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
You started your own thread because of all the times you got chased out of other threads for polluting them.
And accusing the Rothschilds of controlling the world's media is a classic anti-Semitic comment. The fact that it was made by one of the owners here makes no difference; it is what it is.
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
I agree with this. It's been a challenging year for the site with the roll out of new apps and technology. They ran into some issues and it's been a headache to deal with almost the entire season (on top of the normal headaches that come from the season when everything runs smoothly). Joe used to come to the FFA for a diversion/to blow off steam like everyone else. David has done that even more this year. The FFA that was once an oasis from their work problems has turned into just another headache. Why do some here have to push the envelope? Do you want the forum to just disappear one day out of the blue? This place isn't life and death, it's a place to relax and have a laugh. Too much official business happening here and not enough light-hearted fun. You've gotten to enjoy this place FOR FREE for the last decade plus. Take a deep breath, take a step back, take some time away and then come back and chill the hump out. Less serious business and more let's smile more because life is short and we have enough BS to worry about in our real lives. That or just ban Tim.
timschochet
Footballguy
timschochet
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