FFA Wagering Thread: THERE HE IS!@! (3 Viewers)

[jamil]

hagmania, on 29 Sept 2014 - 3:14 PM, said:

TheGooRoo, on 29 Sept 2014 - 3:10 PM, said:

lumpy19, on 29 Sept 2014 - 2:21 PM, said:lumpy19, on 29 Sept 2014 - 2:21 PM, said:

swirvenirvin, on 29 Sept 2014 - 10:23 AM, said:swirvenirvin, on 29 Sept 2014 - 10:23 AM, said:Like the chiefs too got them +3 last night

Lots of plays for tonight

I keep losing on unders on Edelman so I am switching him up.

only one i grabbed from Bovada was Bowe rest are on sportsbook.ag. Think they are all on Bovada just not at the same lines/juice

Edelman over 6.5 -105

Edelman over 72.5 -115

Ridley under 67.5 -115

Brady under 264.5 -115

Bowe under 4 -130

Bowe under 50.5 -115

Fasano under 3 -115

Smith under 222.5 -115

If tonights game is a shootout we're going to lose a lot of money

Go Def!

u47.5

Ya gotta read Evan Silva's matchup column at rotoworld Lump. Edelman is going up against trash DB Marcus Cooper. Dink and dunk should give him high volume (and yards), o 6.5 and 72.. Dink and dunk should keep Brady under 264.5. Bowe is up against Revis, u 4 and 50. Kelce is moving into a full time pass catching TE role, at the expense of Fasano, u 3. Patriots lead the league in pass D at 168/game, Smith u 222.5. I think I'm going with NE.

I feel like I just got a peek at the Ark of the Covenant and my face didn't get melted off.

Silva is . I respect him and his analysis considerably. Anybody with moderate reading comprehension skills that can translate what Silva says and apply it to posted prop lines can win. Utilize other experts opinions via projections at FBG, fantasypros, fftoday, profootballfocus, etc... Couple these together, 60% isn't all that tough to achieve at all. Tailing is pretty simple too. It's the discipline and money management aspects that are not simple.

pretty much. I read silvas column, have ESPN insider, Pro Football Focus Gold for WR CB mathcups and grading of the CB's, then fftoday for matchup history a little (mostly only if same division), they also have a nice breakdown of stats against for each team broken down by position.

I just tried to do this for this Sunday. My head hurts. And that just sucked all the productivity from me today. Sorry work.

takes a couple hours each week but helps make it easier on Sunday morning

Here is somewhat mine looks like for each game is you care to take a look.....

http://ffslickpicks.com/page/Wk-5-breakdown.aspx

Mind if i pick your brain? message sent.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

I just had an epiphany. There is going to be more then 11 TD in the Wazzu Cal game tomorrow.

Over 76.5

:REFTAIL:

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Joba kinda looks like the guy who plays Capone on Boardwalk...except much fatter and with a disgusting beard

 

[lumpy19]

And bye bye tigers

 

[comfortably numb]

Joba kinda looks like the guy who plays Capone on Boardwalk...except much fatter and with a disgusting beard

Christ, i hadn't seen that yet.

 

[ScoobySnack]

And bye bye tigers

Yeah. Except it wasn't Mr. Upton's undoing but the great Tigers pen!

 

[Billy Bats]

And bye bye tigers

A shame they're forced to play the 8th inning.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Neat bullpen

 

[hagmania]

Neat bullpen

Avatar o' doom imo.

 

[got_nugs]

The Tigers would do well heeding Socrates famous advice given to Hemingway "beware the bottom of 8"...not to be confused with Ray Js advice to Kanye "be wary of eating the bottom"...though in both instances someone has the taste of ... Bad relief pitching... In their mouth.

Let's go Os

 

[comfortably numb]

my soccer plays for tomorrow.

(6-5) since my return

Portugal

Guimarens -1 (-105)

Germany

Bayern/Hanover o3.5 (-120)

Spain

ATL Madrid +145

Almeira +115

EPL

Swansea (-120)

 

[swirvenirvin]

Isnt rule #1 never make the first out at home.

What a clown Dave Clark is too.

Nice rookie managing by Assmus, clown number 2

WHy is Joba your 8th inning guy, Sanchez could have pitched more.. WHat a circus

 

[Angry Beavers]

I think action junkie is narrowed down to two games for noon Sunday; Balt/Ind or Cle/Tenn. Please recommend some angles on these two games though, because the only stuff that is popping up seems arbitrary. For example, with Tennessee:

Since 2001 home favorites that have lost the previous three games by double-digits are 11-5 SU and 10-6 ATS (avg line -3).

When you break that down by:

Division Matchups: 3-3 SU and ATS (avg line -3.5)

Non-Divisional Matchups: 8-2 SU and 7-3 ATS (avg line -2.7)

Sagarin makes the Cle/Tenn game basically a pick'em, but I like the Titans because of the line moving to -2 despite 91% of the cash (at SBR) on Cleveland. Speaking of Cleveland, since 2004, teams coming off a bye lined as the dog <3 are 7-16 ATS (5-7 ATS away).

Also, since 10/29/2006, teams coming off a bye lined as the road dog <3 against a non-divisional opponent are 6-0-0 O/U against an average total of 44. And the Browns are also 3-0 O/U already this season. But all this stuff still seems arbitrary, which is why I need some help.

Cleveland giving up 5.23 YPC to opposing RB's through weeks 1-3 and now Sankey seems like he will get a full workload. Give me TEN based on the run game alone.

 

[tjnc09]

Dodgers -195 with a total of 5.5 is such a strange combination. How can LA be that favored, but have a total so low?

 

[Angry Beavers]

I think I got one for action junkie Sunday at noon - check it out - Since 1990, when a team is lined as the favorite against a team who shut them out in their previous meeting, the O/U is 11-1-0 when the total is 43 or higher. The O/U is 8-0-0 in that situation when the team that was shut out is playing at home. Guess the game.

Falcons and Giants

but doesn't ATL need to be the favorite as they were shut out last time????

 

[swirvenirvin]

Looks like Pitt and Ohio are in for plays both at least a point below 47 now. Michigan only at +2 so not.

Will try a two teamer ML on Pitt and Ohio too

 

[hagmania]

Looks like Pitt and Ohio are in for plays both at least a point below 47 now. Michigan only at +2 so not.

Will try a two teamer ML on Pitt and Ohio too

Need a :tail: emote imo.

 

[lumpy19]

found these at hrwager, tiny limits but still fun bets

blanco yes hit -175

posey yes hit -200

span yes hit -200

laroche yes hit -175

Feels good to see things so clearly

 

[Tiger Fan]

AZ +7 @ DEN All-time, 3-0 teams that are dogs of 7 or more points are 5-2 (71% ATS). ATL +4 @ NYG Since 2008, in the Matt Ryan era, the Falcons following a loss and as dogs of 7 or fewer points are 9-1-1 (90% ATS). BAL +3.5 @ IND Since 2008, the Joe Flacco era, the Ravens as dogs of 3 or more points are 14-10-3 (58% ATS). BUF +7 @ DET Since 2004, the Bills following two losses and as dogs of 7 or more points are 6-1 (86% ATS). CAR -2.5 vs. CHI Cam Newton against the NFC North is 5-2 (71% ATS). CHI +2.5 @ CAR Since 2009, when Jay Cutler became the starter, in games with an over/under of 46 or more points the Bears over is 8-16 (33%). CIN -1 @ NE All-time, 3-0 teams that are road favorites of 3 or fewer points are 6-12-2 (33% ATS). CLE -2 @ TEN In the last 10 years, the Browns as a road favorite are 5-1 (83% ATS). DAL -5.5 vs. HOU Since 2006, the Tony Romo era, the Cowboys as home favorites of 7 or fewer points are 13-22 (37% ATS). DEN -7 vs. AZ Since 2012, the Peyton Manning era, the Broncos as favorites of 7 or more points are 13-7-2 (65% ATS). DET -7 vs. BUF Since 2011, the Lions as home favorites of 3 points or more are 7-11 (39% ATS). GB -9 vs. MIN Since Aaron Rodgers became the starter, the Packers as favorites of 9 or more points are 16-10-1 (62% ATS). HOU +5.5 @ DAL All-time, teams that start 3-1 and are road dogs of 7 or fewer points are 27-35-2 (44% ATS). IND -3.5 vs. BAL Since 2012, the Andrew Luck era, the Colts as favorites of 3 or more points are 9-6-1 (60% ATS). JAX +6.5 vs. PIT All-time, the Jaguars as home dogs of 3 or more points are 20-28-1 (42% ATS). KC +7 @ SF In the last 10 years, the Chiefs as road dogs of 7 or more points are 17-14 (55% ATS). MIN +9 @ GB All-time, teams that 2-2 and are dogs of 9 or more points are 9-7-1 (56% ATS). NE +1 vs. CIN Since 2001, the Tom Brady era, the Patriots as home dogs are 6-2 (75% ATS). NO -10 vs. TB All-time, teams that lost by 21 or more points and then are favored by double-digits are 21-17 (55% ATS). NYG -4 vs. ATL Since 2005, the Giants following two wins and as a favorite are 12-1 (92%) straight-up. NYJ +7 @ SD Since 2009, the Rex Ryan era, the Jets as road dogs of 7 or more points are 7-3-1 (70% ATS). PHI -7 vs. STL All-time, the Eagles against the NFC West are 55-45-3 (55% ATS). PIT -6.5 @ JAX Since 2004, the Ben Roethlisberger era, the Steelers as road favorites are 20-30-1 (40% ATS). SD -7 vs. NYJ Since 2006, the Philip Rivers era, the Chargers as home favorites of 7 or more points are 22-15 (60% ATS). SF -7 vs. KC Since 2011, the Jim Harbaugh era, the 49ers as home favorites of 7 or more points are 8-5-1 (62% ATS). SEA -7 @ WAS Since 2012, the Russell Wilson era, the Seahawks as favorites are 17-10-2 (63% ATS). STL +7 @ PHI In the last 10 years, the Rams as road dogs of 7 or more points are 15-27-1 (36% ATS). TB +10 @ NO In the last 10 years, teams that are road dogs of 10 or more points are 164-134-3 (55% ATS). TEN +2 vs. CLE In the last 10 years, the Titans as home dogs are 10-22 (31%) straight-up. WAS +7 vs. SEA All-time, teams that lost by 30 or more points and are home dogs of 7 or more points are 34-21-1 (62% ATS).http://predictionmachine.com/2014-NFL-Trends-Week-5

Note: In our data "All-time" goes back to 1978 or when the team joined the league.

 

[Tiger Fan]

Same info, sorted by %

      %          type     Team       Spread      Trend     92%      straight-up  NYG     -4 vs. ATL    Since 2005, the Giants following two wins and as a favorite are 12-1     90%          ATS      ATL      +4 @ NYG     Since 2008, in the Matt Ryan era, the Falcons following a loss and as dogs of 7 or fewer points are 9-1-1     86%          ATS      BUF      +7 @ DET     Since 2004, the Bills following two losses and as dogs of 7 or more points are 6-1     83%          ATS      CLE      -2 @ TEN     In the last 10 years, the Browns as a road favorite are 5-1     75%          ATS      NE      +1 vs. CIN    Since 2001, the Tom Brady era, the Patriots as home dogs are 6-2     71%          ATS      AZ       +7 @ DEN     All-time, 3-0 teams that are dogs of 7 or more points are 5-2     71%          ATS      CAR    -2.5 vs. CHI   Cam Newton against the NFC North is 5-2     70%          ATS      NYJ       +7 @ SD     Since 2009, the Rex Ryan era, the Jets as road dogs of 7 or more points are 7-3-1     65%          ATS      DEN      -7 vs. AZ    Since 2012, the Peyton Manning era, the Broncos as favorites of 7 or more points are 13-7-2     63%          ATS      SEA      -7 @ WAS     Since 2012, the Russell Wilson era, the Seahawks as favorites are 17-10-2     62%          ATS      GB      -9 vs. MIN    Since Aaron Rodgers became the starter, the Packers as favorites of 9 or more points are 16-10-1     62%          ATS      SF       -7 vs. KC    Since 2011, the Jim Harbaugh era, the 49ers as home favorites of 7 or more points are 8-5-1     62%          ATS      WAS     +7 vs. SEA    All-time, teams that lost by 30 or more points and are home dogs of 7 or more points are 34-21-1     60%          ATS      IND    -3.5 vs. BAL   Since 2012, the Andrew Luck era, the Colts as favorites of 3 or more points are 9-6-1     60%          ATS      SD      -7 vs. NYJ    Since 2006, the Philip Rivers era, the Chargers as home favorites of 7 or more points are 22-15     58%          ATS      BAL     +3.5 @ IND    Since 2008, the Joe Flacco era, the Ravens as dogs of 3 or more points are 14-10-3     56%          ATS      MIN       +9 @ GB     All-time, teams that 2-2 and are dogs of 9 or more points are 9-7-1     55%          ATS      KC        +7 @ SF     In the last 10 years, the Chiefs as road dogs of 7 or more points are 17-14     55%          ATS      NO      -10 vs. TB    All-time, teams that lost by 21 or more points and then are favored by double-digits are 21-17     55%          ATS      PHI     -7 vs. STL    All-time, the Eagles against the NFC West are 55-45-3     55%          ATS      TB       +10 @ NO     In the last 10 years, teams that are road dogs of 10 or more points are 164-134-3     44%          ATS      HOU     +5.5 @ DAL    All-time, teams that start 3-1 and are road dogs of 7 or fewer points are 27-35-2     42%          ATS      JAX    +6.5 vs. PIT   All-time, the Jaguars as home dogs of 3 or more points are 20-28-1     40%          ATS      PIT     -6.5 @ JAX    Since 2004, the Ben Roethlisberger era, the Steelers as road favorites are 20-30-1     39%          ATS      DET     -7 vs. BUF    Since 2011, the Lions as home favorites of 3 points or more are 7-11     37%          ATS      DAL    -5.5 vs. HOU   Since 2006, the Tony Romo era, the Cowboys as home favorites of 7 or fewer points are 13-22     36%          ATS      STL      +7 @ PHI     In the last 10 years, the Rams as road dogs of 7 or more points are 15-27-1     33%                   CHI     +2.5 @ CAR    Since 2009, when Jay Cutler became the starter, in games with an over/under of 46 or more points the Bears over is 8-16     33%          ATS      CIN       -1 @ NE     All-time, 3-0 teams that are road favorites of 3 or fewer points are 6-12-2     31%      straight-up  TEN     +2 vs. CLE    In the last 10 years, the Titans as home dogs are 10-22

 

[Tiger Fan]

Looking at the above trends, the 3 stand out (heavily sided for both teams) would lean towards:

BUF +7

Since 2004, the Bills following two losses and as dogs of 7 or more points are 6-1 ATS (86%)
Since 2011, the Lions as home favorites of 3 points or more are 7-11 ATS (39%)

CLE -2

In the last 10 years, the Browns as a road favorite are 5-1 ATS (83%)
In the last 10 years, the Titans as home dogs are 10-22 SU (31%) - still have the potential Cle win by 1 here, but it's still strong

NE +1

Since 2001, the Tom Brady era, the Patriots as home dogs are 6-2 ATS (75%)
All-time, 3-0 teams that are road favorites of 3 or fewer points are 6-12-2 ATS (33%)

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Calvin questionable and likely decoy again and thin at RB with no Joique

I still think (and hope for my teasers sake) they win but if you like bills I'd grab it now

 

[Tiger Fan]

Calvin questionable and likely decoy again and thin at RB with no Joique

I still think (and hope for my teasers sake) they win but if you like bills I'd grab it now

Unfortunately, got way too much tied up in college tomorrow. Will have to wait Til Sunday for nfl plays

 

[TheGooRoo]

I bet Brown u 53.5 yds and Hunter Sharp u 7.5 catches in cfb.

 

[Tiger Fan]

Here's what I'm on tomorrow. 32-31 on the year

Under Fla @ Tenn 55
Over TexA&M @ MissSt 68
Under SouMis @ MiddTn 60.5
Under VaTech @ UNC 64.5
Over Tulsa @ ColoSt 62.5
Over Buff @ BGSU 77
Over Ala @ Miss 51
Under Okla @ TCU 56.5
Over NM @ UTSA 54.5
Over LSU @ Auburn 56
Over Mich @ Rut 47
Over Idaho @ TxSt 66.5
Over UTEP @ LaTech 58
Over SC @ Kty 55
Under Pitt @ UVa 47
Under Neb @ MSU 59.5
Over Boise @ Nevada 50.5

 

[Billy Bats]

Calvin questionable and likely decoy again and thin at RB with no Joique

I still think (and hope for my teasers sake) they win but if you like bills I'd grab it now

And with Orton starting things could get interesting. I backed away from Detroit even in the survivor pool. I'm liking them a little more and more every day.

 

[Tiger Fan]

Ohio looking like they're definitely in the window now. Michigan in there if you can find it at *3

 

[ChainsawU]

The Browns aren't favored to win.

 

[ChainsawU]

I think I got one for action junkie Sunday at noon - check it out - Since 1990, when a team is lined as the favorite against a team who shut them out in their previous meeting, the O/U is 11-1-0 when the total is 43 or higher. The O/U is 8-0-0 in that situation when the team that was shut out is playing at home. Guess the game.

Falcons and Giants

but doesn't ATL need to be the favorite as they were shut out last time????

I should have said it differently. But I just noticed that is was back in 2012 the last time these two teams played and the Giants scored 0. I was reaching for a play, looking for something to do at noon. But, kind of like Mo said with avoiding the Falcons, these two teams just kind of piss me off anyway so I'm not sure I want to put money on it. I really like your point about the ypg Cleveland has allowed on the ground.

 

[modogg]

Have not heard from Kurt either. If someone does, let the thread know IMO

Sorry, i have heard from him. Sounds like he was banged up kind of bad from that auto accident he got in. Last i think he said he would be getting out maybe in a week or so.

 

[jamil]

I bet Brown u 53.5 yds and Hunter Sharp u 7.5 catches in cfb.

My gooroo ankle monitor is malfunctioning. In on sharp.

 

[modogg]

Square teaser for the weekend: Broncos -1, Seahawks -1.5 for 1U.

I know, no hook on the 1. Just take my money if either of these teams lose, Broncos off the bye and Seahawks against...the Skins.

saw cousin sal on sportscenter this morning talking this one up.

I just checked on that, his lines were worse, but anything inside a FG is good for my money on this one.

ETA: Saw he liked the Bills too, interesting pick and getting a TD isn't too bad of a call.

Is that teaser really better then throwing in San Diego or Philly? I haven't checked the lines in a bit, but when i looked earlier in the week both were -7.5. I probably should have checked before typing, but just feeling lazy

And my guess is the only reason to like the Bills is if Tate and Johnson are really that banged up. Detroit run defense is pretty dependable, and i can't see Orton really coming out looking impressive like he is going to run the table or something. Detroit is flying a little under the radar this year, but they seem to be a pretty strong team. Only thing that would catch them here is a letdown game, i think, which is possible. but not likely

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I'm going to be at that Bills game. Orton may pull out the win.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

I'm going to be at that Bills game. Orton may pull out the win.

 

[modogg]

Looking at the above trends, the 3 stand out (heavily sided for both teams) would lean towards:

BUF +7

Since 2004, the Bills following two losses and as dogs of 7 or more points are 6-1 ATS (86%)
Since 2011, the Lions as home favorites of 3 points or more are 7-11 ATS (39%)

CLE -2

In the last 10 years, the Browns as a road favorite are 5-1 ATS (83%)
In the last 10 years, the Titans as home dogs are 10-22 SU (31%) - still have the potential Cle win by 1 here, but it's still strong

NE +1

Since 2001, the Tom Brady era, the Patriots as home dogs are 6-2 ATS (75%)
All-time, 3-0 teams that are road favorites of 3 or fewer points are 6-12-2 ATS (33%)

I always wonder if these stats really mean anything. Maybe pre-1992 (or whatever year free agency started and Keith Jackson, then Reggie White a year or 2 later, fled Philly), but just thinking of Cle and Ten, those teams are vastly different during that 10-year span from '04 until now. Hell, look at some teams that are drastically different year to year. I mean some teams this may apply to, but only if you have the same basic core for those years.

i would say comparing stats from the Eagles from '04 until now would be drastically different. '04 the team was on the rise, leveled off for a few years, then nosedived a few years before Andy left. Now a year and 1/4 of Chip. But taking any stats and comparing Andy to Chip would just seem useless. 2 different mindsets and styles of play.

just wondering if there is any legitimacy to stats like these, or if they really are not worth too much

ETA: taking that site a little further, and just pulling a few that i think make sense. Hard to compare some of these guys and basing stats on their career numbers with those teams. They love looking at QBs, which i think is a classic mistake anyway, but looking at some of these QBs from rookie year until now is looking at totally different teams. I would think a lot of young guys are started out slow and more game managers, and as they are in the system for a few years they loosen the reigns a little. Example off the top of my head is Russel Wilson

 

[comfortably numb]

I'm going to be at that Bills game. Orton may pull out the win.

What's your record when attending bills home games?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I'm going to be at that Bills game. Orton may pull out the win.

What's your record when attending bills home games?

It's a road game, but we are 1-0 this year. Overall, the record is abysmal though.

 

[swirvenirvin]

I'm going to be at that Bills game. Orton may pull out the win.

think i am going as well

 

[Eminence]

I ####### hate baseball. I just lost all the money I won off props on Thursday.

 

[Finless]

I've been going with Cowherd's "Blazing Five" all season. We're 14-6. I might quit my job.

 

[swirvenirvin]

I've been going with Cowherd's "Blazing Five" all season. We're 14-6. I might quit my job.

wasnt he lights out 2 years ago and just awful last yr

 

[Eminence]

Like it's dumb as ####, now my Dodgers bet is going to hit but I'm only doing to be back to even on the day.

-.-

 

[Finless]

I've been going with Cowherd's "Blazing Five" all season. We're 14-6. I might quit my job.

wasnt he lights out 2 years ago and just awful last yr

Yeah, he's crushing it this year. Hitch a ride. It's been free dough. He knows football. Don't care what anyone says. 14-6 over a 4 week period? That's pretty baller.

 

[Peyton Marino]

swirve/gooroo/other dudes with opinions:

can I pick your brains on the following WRs this weekend for DFS purposes?

T.Y Hilton

Jeremy Maclin

Andre Johnson

Vincent Jackson

Brandin Cooks

Any help appreciated.

 

[Finless]

Atlanta at Giants (-4)

Chicago (+2.5) at Carolina

Buffalo (+7) at Detroit

Jets (+6.5) at San Diego

Seattle at Washington (+7)

 

[modogg]

Like it's dumb as ####, now my Dodgers bet is going to hit but I'm only doing to be back to even on the day.

-.-

you got football every weekend. Money comes and goes this time of year. Make it all back with the NFL

 

[swirvenirvin]

Royals Angels over 7 -130

 

[ChainsawU]

I think Seattle win by 2 TD. I don't normally lay chalk but I did with them this week. Just a hunch basd on a trend I found but West Coast teams going to the Eastern time zone to play SNF or MNF lined as the favorite are 11-3 SU and ATS, and they won the games by a minimum of 2 TD on average. Trend spans 24 years.

 

[modogg]

Atlanta at Giants (-4) Chicago (+2.5) at Carolina Buffalo (+7) at Detroit Jets (+6.5) at San Diego Seattle at Washington (+7)

hmm, interesting grabbing that Jets at +6.5 as a top play. Seems the Chargers have been under-rated for a year and a half at this point. I just know one thing about that Chargers team that seemed evident from last year is that they do not have many games where they come out looking like they don't care. Decker sounds like he is not going to play much this week, and i am just not sure what the angle is there on that game. That Buffalo game is one that is getting a lot of love so i am happy to probably pass on that, and i think the other 4 look solid.

Ballsy taking the Skins on Monday night going against the Seahawks coming off a bye, but i was thinking the same idea that the Skins might surprise on Monday night. Though you have to think the Seahawks playing a nationally televised game will not allow for a letdown. but it is good to see someone not taking popular picks and going on a limb like that, and i have to agree that i don't think it is a bad play

 

[modogg]

I think Seattle win by 2 TD. I don't normally lay chalk but I did with them this week. Just a hunch basd on a trend I found but West Coast teams going to the Eastern time zone to play SNF or MNF lined as the favorite are 11-3 SU and ATS, and they won the games by a minimum of 2 TD on average. Trend spans 24 years.

hmm, well throw out what i just wrote probably. I just like taking teams that have talent on them after being completely embarrassed on national television the week before.

So if you had to pick a team to win, and you can't take New Orleans, green bay or Detroit, who would you take this week? I think i am talking myself out of the Chargers play, so thinking of options. I imagine the pool will be 95% Philly, Denver, Seattle, or San Diego.