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No doubt. Seems like everyone is on the Giants bandwagon right now.
Doesnt it just feel like Vegas is going to get absolutely murdered if the GMen win?Even if the line gets all the way down to +1 or even Pick...the way everyone is talking is that the Giants should be favored (and I agree). I can't see Vegas being dumb enough to have their nose open this badly. Someone give me an angle hereNo doubt. Seems like everyone is on the Giants bandwagon right now.
Everyone is, line is down to 2.5 in a lot of places, never thought I'd see a super bowl line move thru 3. books must be taking a ton of money on giants betsNo doubt. Seems like everyone is on the Giants bandwagon right now.
Now that it's moved through 3, do you think it'll move down closer to 1/pick a lot more quickly?Everyone is, line is down to 2.5 in a lot of places, never thought I'd see a super bowl line move thru 3. books must be taking a ton of money on giants betsNo doubt. Seems like everyone is on the Giants bandwagon right now.
Has anyone done any shopping on this? Might be a good opportunity if we can find a book with it closer to a split.
Bookmaker has +160/-200, they shaded it even more
I doubt it....of course I didn't think there was any chance in hell it'd move thru 3, -2.5 -115 is available right now at betonlineNow that it's moved through 3, do you think it'll move down closer to 1/pick a lot more quickly?Everyone is, line is down to 2.5 in a lot of places, never thought I'd see a super bowl line move thru 3. books must be taking a ton of money on giants betsNo doubt. Seems like everyone is on the Giants bandwagon right now.
Global.sportsbook.com has it -115 for each. Bet365 -110 each, Pinnacle and greek not posted yet.
FWIW it looks like the Giants won the toss and received in 2007.
And I failed to get down any money on this because I don't have a SB acct or another acct with this open.
At this point, I would think about fading the move.
It's not a move, bookmaker opened at that number and according to sportsbook.com twitter feed they opened at the number I posted.And I failed to get down any money on this because I don't have a SB acct or another acct with this open.
I got it at -105 two days ago at sportsbook?It's not a move, bookmaker opened at that number and according to sportsbook.com twitter feed they opened at the number I posted.And I failed to get down any money on this because I don't have a SB acct or another acct with this open.
Oooof. I let you jokers talk me out of I max bet on this. I just logged in an saw it's up to -180. 8 units deep though - got to feel good about that.I got it at -105 two days ago at sportsbook?It's not a move, bookmaker opened at that number and according to sportsbook.com twitter feed they opened at the number I posted.And I failed to get down any money on this because I don't have a SB acct or another acct with this open.
Well done, guess that's not what sportsbook.com opened atI got it at -105 two days ago at sportsbook?It's not a move, bookmaker opened at that number and according to sportsbook.com twitter feed they opened at the number I posted.And I failed to get down any money on this because I don't have a SB acct or another acct with this open.
Thanks for the info.It's not a move, bookmaker opened at that number and according to sportsbook.com twitter feed they opened at the number I posted.And I failed to get down any money on this because I don't have a SB acct or another acct with this open.
[My theory] Vegas knows that this game should be a pick at worst or the Gmen favored by up to 3 points. But it's the Super Bowl, so getting an even amount of money on each side is priority #1 since the game is so heavily bet. I expected the line to open up at somewhere in the NE -4 to -3 range for this reason. I think Vegas thinks that the public will be on NE. It's Brady and Belichick! They're going to win it for Myra Kraft! The Pats are gonna get REVENGE! And NE -3 (when is the last time NE was only favored by 3? I can't remember), after winning all these games in a row, and now playing a 9-7 team that squeaked into the playoffs, has to look extra juicy to joe 6 pack sports bettor.The problem is that outside of tourists in Vegas, Joe 6 pack sports bettor isn't placing any bets on the game yet. That's not going to happen until late next week. The sharps, syndicates, and world class sports bettors (such as the residents of this thread) are the ones currently making vast majority of bets on the game. And with money pouring in on NYG, the sharps who actually do like NE, are just going to sit back and wait for the line to come down.[/my theory]'John Bender said:Doesnt it just feel like Vegas is going to get absolutely murdered if the GMen win?Even if the line gets all the way down to +1 or even Pick...the way everyone is talking is that the Giants should be favored (and I agree). I can't see Vegas being dumb enough to have their nose open this badly. Someone give me an angle here'Man In The Box said:No doubt. Seems like everyone is on the Giants bandwagon right now.'John Bender said:
I think your half right. Sharps are waiting to bet NE and they will bet them hard, but they won't be betting enough to cover all the Gmen bets that will go down. Not one of my friends that I have talked to likes the Patriots (they are all casual sports fans). I keep hearing the gmen front 4, eli is as good as Brady, Pats didn't look good, etc.And Vegas doesn't really make the lines. They release them and the bettors (like us) bet them into proper place. This was released at 4 at some places - heck 5dimes put out Pats -175 to win the SB after their game against Balt!!! Bettors continue to bet the Gmen with two fists and will do so for the next 2 weeks. Books will move to 2.5 because they don't really want the push, but you can surely bet they don't want Pats by 3 either. Getting middled is never good. This line was NE -3 minimum last week. I still don't see what's changed within these teams. Did the Pats play great? No. Did the Giants win on the road against a good SF defense, but with no offense? yes. But they were a coinflip to do so, so let's not give them that much credit.I get a team who's won 10 straight games, with arguably the best coach and QB ever to play at less then 3 pts with 2 weeks to prepare. Sign me up.[My theory] Vegas knows that this game should be a pick at worst or the Gmen favored by up to 3 points. But it's the Super Bowl, so getting an even amount of money on each side is priority #1 since the game is so heavily bet. I expected the line to open up at somewhere in the NE -4 to -3 range for this reason. I think Vegas thinks that the public will be on NE. It's Brady and Belichick! They're going to win it for Myra Kraft! The Pats are gonna get REVENGE! And NE -3 (when is the last time NE was only favored by 3? I can't remember), after winning all these games in a row, and now playing a 9-7 team that squeaked into the playoffs, has to look extra juicy to joe 6 pack sports bettor.The problem is that outside of tourists in Vegas, Joe 6 pack sports bettor isn't placing any bets on the game yet. That's not going to happen until late next week. The sharps, syndicates, and world class sports bettors (such as the residents of this thread) are the ones currently making vast majority of bets on the game. And with money pouring in on NYG, the sharps who actually do like NE, are just going to sit back and wait for the line to come down.[/my theory]'John Bender said:Doesnt it just feel like Vegas is going to get absolutely murdered if the GMen win?Even if the line gets all the way down to +1 or even Pick...the way everyone is talking is that the Giants should be favored (and I agree). I can't see Vegas being dumb enough to have their nose open this badly. Someone give me an angle here'Man In The Box said:No doubt. Seems like everyone is on the Giants bandwagon right now.'John Bender said:
Well, nothing has changed except that I don't think there's any way that Gronk is going to be 100%. It's all about matchups, imo. If you have to blitz Brady to get pressure on him, you're toast. The Giants have the best pass rushing front 4 in the nfl. I know the Ravens defense has a reputation of being nasty, but they weren't good (to be kind) at pressuring the qb the latter part of the season. The Giants dline should be able to pressure and harass Brady all day. And the Giants have physical corners who should be able to man up on the Pats wr's and disrupt the timing on their routes.On the other side of the ball, Eli just threw for over 300 yards with 2 td's on the road against arguably the best defense in the nfl. Now he gets to feast on the NE defense, whose biggest weakness is probably their corner play. How are they possibly going to match up against Nicks, Cruz, and Manningham? I don't see it.Also, talking to all of my friends who are big sports fans, all of them asked me who I thought was going to win. I told them the Giants and they all thought I was crazy. So I'm getting the exact opposite response you are, wrt getting feedback from bar stool pundits.And your last paragraph, imo, is the exact line of thinking that the public has about this game.I think your half right. Sharps are waiting to bet NE and they will bet them hard, but they won't be betting enough to cover all the Gmen bets that will go down. Not one of my friends that I have talked to likes the Patriots (they are all casual sports fans). I keep hearing the gmen front 4, eli is as good as Brady, Pats didn't look good, etc.And Vegas doesn't really make the lines. They release them and the bettors (like us) bet them into proper place. This was released at 4 at some places - heck 5dimes put out Pats -175 to win the SB after their game against Balt!!! Bettors continue to bet the Gmen with two fists and will do so for the next 2 weeks. Books will move to 2.5 because they don't really want the push, but you can surely bet they don't want Pats by 3 either. Getting middled is never good. This line was NE -3 minimum last week. I still don't see what's changed within these teams. Did the Pats play great? No. Did the Giants win on the road against a good SF defense, but with no offense? yes. But they were a coinflip to do so, so let's not give them that much credit.I get a team who's won 10 straight games, with arguably the best coach and QB ever to play at less then 3 pts with 2 weeks to prepare. Sign me up.[My theory] Vegas knows that this game should be a pick at worst or the Gmen favored by up to 3 points. But it's the Super Bowl, so getting an even amount of money on each side is priority #1 since the game is so heavily bet. I expected the line to open up at somewhere in the NE -4 to -3 range for this reason. I think Vegas thinks that the public will be on NE. It's Brady and Belichick! They're going to win it for Myra Kraft! The Pats are gonna get REVENGE! And NE -3 (when is the last time NE was only favored by 3? I can't remember), after winning all these games in a row, and now playing a 9-7 team that squeaked into the playoffs, has to look extra juicy to joe 6 pack sports bettor.The problem is that outside of tourists in Vegas, Joe 6 pack sports bettor isn't placing any bets on the game yet. That's not going to happen until late next week. The sharps, syndicates, and world class sports bettors (such as the residents of this thread) are the ones currently making vast majority of bets on the game. And with money pouring in on NYG, the sharps who actually do like NE, are just going to sit back and wait for the line to come down.[/my theory]'John Bender said:Doesnt it just feel like Vegas is going to get absolutely murdered if the GMen win?Even if the line gets all the way down to +1 or even Pick...the way everyone is talking is that the Giants should be favored (and I agree). I can't see Vegas being dumb enough to have their nose open this badly. Someone give me an angle here'Man In The Box said:No doubt. Seems like everyone is on the Giants bandwagon right now.'John Bender said:
Sportsbook has Man City @ + 150 today. Ladbrokes has it at 17/10.
Well, nothing has changed except that I don't think there's any way that Gronk is going to be 100%. It's all about matchups, imo. If you have to blitz Brady to get pressure on him, you're toast. The Giants have the best pass rushing front 4 in the nfl. I know the Ravens defense has a reputation of being nasty, but they weren't good (to be kind) at pressuring the qb the latter part of the season. The Giants dline should be able to pressure and harass Brady all day. And the Giants have physical corners who should be able to man up on the Pats wr's and disrupt the timing on their routes.On the other side of the ball, Eli just threw for over 300 yards with 2 td's on the road against arguably the best defense in the nfl. Now he gets to feast on the NE defense, whose biggest weakness is probably their corner play. How are they possibly going to match up against Nicks, Cruz, and Manningham? I don't see it.Also, talking to all of my friends who are big sports fans, all of them asked me who I thought was going to win. I told them the Giants and they all thought I was crazy. So I'm getting the exact opposite response you are, wrt getting feedback from bar stool pundits.And your last paragraph, imo, is the exact line of thinking that the public has about this game.I think your half right. Sharps are waiting to bet NE and they will bet them hard, but they won't be betting enough to cover all the Gmen bets that will go down. Not one of my friends that I have talked to likes the Patriots (they are all casual sports fans). I keep hearing the gmen front 4, eli is as good as Brady, Pats didn't look good, etc.And Vegas doesn't really make the lines. They release them and the bettors (like us) bet them into proper place. This was released at 4 at some places - heck 5dimes put out Pats -175 to win the SB after their game against Balt!!! Bettors continue to bet the Gmen with two fists and will do so for the next 2 weeks. Books will move to 2.5 because they don't really want the push, but you can surely bet they don't want Pats by 3 either. Getting middled is never good. This line was NE -3 minimum last week. I still don't see what's changed within these teams. Did the Pats play great? No. Did the Giants win on the road against a good SF defense, but with no offense? yes. But they were a coinflip to do so, so let's not give them that much credit.I get a team who's won 10 straight games, with arguably the best coach and QB ever to play at less then 3 pts with 2 weeks to prepare. Sign me up.[My theory] Vegas knows that this game should be a pick at worst or the Gmen favored by up to 3 points. But it's the Super Bowl, so getting an even amount of money on each side is priority #1 since the game is so heavily bet. I expected the line to open up at somewhere in the NE -4 to -3 range for this reason. I think Vegas thinks that the public will be on NE. It's Brady and Belichick! They're going to win it for Myra Kraft! The Pats are gonna get REVENGE! And NE -3 (when is the last time NE was only favored by 3? I can't remember), after winning all these games in a row, and now playing a 9-7 team that squeaked into the playoffs, has to look extra juicy to joe 6 pack sports bettor.The problem is that outside of tourists in Vegas, Joe 6 pack sports bettor isn't placing any bets on the game yet. That's not going to happen until late next week. The sharps, syndicates, and world class sports bettors (such as the residents of this thread) are the ones currently making vast majority of bets on the game. And with money pouring in on NYG, the sharps who actually do like NE, are just going to sit back and wait for the line to come down.[/my theory]'John Bender said:Doesnt it just feel like Vegas is going to get absolutely murdered if the GMen win?Even if the line gets all the way down to +1 or even Pick...the way everyone is talking is that the Giants should be favored (and I agree). I can't see Vegas being dumb enough to have their nose open this badly. Someone give me an angle here'Man In The Box said:No doubt. Seems like everyone is on the Giants bandwagon right now.'John Bender said:
I happen to think that the Pats are extremely overrated, and the above reasoning is why. Sure, a 10 game win steak is nice and all. Looking closer at who they actually beat, and who they lost to before that, tells me that this NE team is not all that. They lost 2 straight to Pittsburgh and the Giants. Then ripped off 10 wins against the following QB's: Sanchez, Tyler Palko, Vince Young, Dan Orlovsky, Rex Grossman, Tebow, Matt Moore, Fitzpatrick, Tebow again, and Flacco. Also, during the streak had 2 games where they fell behind big at home and came back to win. They won't have that luxury in this game. They were also very fortunate to win last week. More fortunate than even the Giants were. I know, I know the Giants lost to Grossman too. Twice actually. They also lost to Vince Young. I think the big difference is that the Giants D line is finally healthy. Their secondary isn't any good and was really exposed without that D line getting pressure. I also feel that the Pats WRs aren't going to be able to expose the Giants secondary by stretching the field. It's just not one of their strengths.
pk em. Balt -2 over SF. Pats -4.5/-5 over SF. Pats -3.5/-4 over Gmen. Those were mine before last week.How would y'all have lined a Baltimore v. NYG matchup?
Any importance on the game in week 9 when NYG went into foxboro and wonI think your half right. Sharps are waiting to bet NE and they will bet them hard, but they won't be betting enough to cover all the Gmen bets that will go down. Not one of my friends that I have talked to likes the Patriots (they are all casual sports fans). I keep hearing the gmen front 4, eli is as good as Brady, Pats didn't look good, etc.And Vegas doesn't really make the lines. They release them and the bettors (like us) bet them into proper place. This was released at 4 at some places - heck 5dimes put out Pats -175 to win the SB after their game against Balt!!! Bettors continue to bet the Gmen with two fists and will do so for the next 2 weeks. Books will move to 2.5 because they don't really want the push, but you can surely bet they don't want Pats by 3 either. Getting middled is never good.[My theory] Vegas knows that this game should be a pick at worst or the Gmen favored by up to 3 points. But it's the Super Bowl, so getting an even amount of money on each side is priority #1 since the game is so heavily bet. I expected the line to open up at somewhere in the NE -4 to -3 range for this reason. I think Vegas thinks that the public will be on NE. It's Brady and Belichick! They're going to win it for Myra Kraft! The Pats are gonna get REVENGE! And NE -3 (when is the last time NE was only favored by 3? I can't remember), after winning all these games in a row, and now playing a 9-7 team that squeaked into the playoffs, has to look extra juicy to joe 6 pack sports bettor.'John Bender said:Doesnt it just feel like Vegas is going to get absolutely murdered if the GMen win?'Man In The Box said:No doubt. Seems like everyone is on the Giants bandwagon right now.'John Bender said:
Even if the line gets all the way down to +1 or even Pick...the way everyone is talking is that the Giants should be favored (and I agree). I can't see Vegas being dumb enough to have their nose open this badly. Someone give me an angle here
The problem is that outside of tourists in Vegas, Joe 6 pack sports bettor isn't placing any bets on the game yet. That's not going to happen until late next week. The sharps, syndicates, and world class sports bettors (such as the residents of this thread) are the ones currently making vast majority of bets on the game.
And with money pouring in on NYG, the sharps who actually do like NE, are just going to sit back and wait for the line to come down.[/my theory]
This line was NE -3 minimum last week. I still don't see what's changed within these teams. Did the Pats play great? No. Did the Giants win on the road against a good SF defense, but with no offense? yes. But they were a coinflip to do so, so let's not give them that much credit.
I get a team who's won 10 straight games, with arguably the best coach and QB ever to play at less then 3 pts with 2 weeks to prepare. Sign me up.
I don't put a whole lot of stock into it (but that may be my pro-Pats talking). Pats went into NY and won 3 years ago then lost the Super Bowl. Gives the teams better idea of what they're up against, probably helps the defenses if anything.Any importance on the game in week 9 when NYG went into foxboro and wonI think your half right. Sharps are waiting to bet NE and they will bet them hard, but they won't be betting enough to cover all the Gmen bets that will go down. Not one of my friends that I have talked to likes the Patriots (they are all casual sports fans). I keep hearing the gmen front 4, eli is as good as Brady, Pats didn't look good, etc.And Vegas doesn't really make the lines. They release them and the bettors (like us) bet them into proper place. This was released at 4 at some places - heck 5dimes put out Pats -175 to win the SB after their game against Balt!!! Bettors continue to bet the Gmen with two fists and will do so for the next 2 weeks. Books will move to 2.5 because they don't really want the push, but you can surely bet they don't want Pats by 3 either. Getting middled is never good.[My theory] Vegas knows that this game should be a pick at worst or the Gmen favored by up to 3 points. But it's the Super Bowl, so getting an even amount of money on each side is priority #1 since the game is so heavily bet. I expected the line to open up at somewhere in the NE -4 to -3 range for this reason. I think Vegas thinks that the public will be on NE. It's Brady and Belichick! They're going to win it for Myra Kraft! The Pats are gonna get REVENGE! And NE -3 (when is the last time NE was only favored by 3? I can't remember), after winning all these games in a row, and now playing a 9-7 team that squeaked into the playoffs, has to look extra juicy to joe 6 pack sports bettor.'John Bender said:Doesnt it just feel like Vegas is going to get absolutely murdered if the GMen win?'Man In The Box said:No doubt. Seems like everyone is on the Giants bandwagon right now.'John Bender said:
Even if the line gets all the way down to +1 or even Pick...the way everyone is talking is that the Giants should be favored (and I agree). I can't see Vegas being dumb enough to have their nose open this badly. Someone give me an angle here
The problem is that outside of tourists in Vegas, Joe 6 pack sports bettor isn't placing any bets on the game yet. That's not going to happen until late next week. The sharps, syndicates, and world class sports bettors (such as the residents of this thread) are the ones currently making vast majority of bets on the game.
And with money pouring in on NYG, the sharps who actually do like NE, are just going to sit back and wait for the line to come down.[/my theory]
This line was NE -3 minimum last week. I still don't see what's changed within these teams. Did the Pats play great? No. Did the Giants win on the road against a good SF defense, but with no offense? yes. But they were a coinflip to do so, so let's not give them that much credit.
I get a team who's won 10 straight games, with arguably the best coach and QB ever to play at less then 3 pts with 2 weeks to prepare. Sign me up.
I couldn't find a single book willing to let me bet more than $500 into those lines, I don't put much value to those linesLike I said before last week, I think the argument that the Pats played bad QBs is a bad one to make. There's only a couple of premier QBs in this league.
Brees
Brady
Rodgers
Eli
Ben
Stafford
Rivers
Romo - maybe
Ryan - maybe
We can probably all agree those are the current great QBs in this league. New England only got to play against 3 of those guys - Rivers, Romo, Ben. They were 2-1. The rest of their games were against QBs not on this list, who's to fault there? They have one of the top 9 QBs and they played 3 more.
The Gmen played against Rodgers 2x, Romo 2x, Brady, and Brees. They went 4-2. Not much different then the Pats.
If you want to say the Giants are playing better right now then this year, yes you are correct, but my point is that it's already built into the line. Just go look into lines from last week to see there is a major overreaction.
Pinnacle let you bet whatever you wanted on Pats +120 to win or Gmen -400 to lose. If you ran the numbers this game should be at or above 3. I got plenty of Pats +120.I couldn't find a single book willing to let me bet more than $500 into those lines, I don't put much value to those linesLike I said before last week, I think the argument that the Pats played bad QBs is a bad one to make. There's only a couple of premier QBs in this league.
Brees
Brady
Rodgers
Eli
Ben
Stafford
Rivers
Romo - maybe
Ryan - maybe
We can probably all agree those are the current great QBs in this league. New England only got to play against 3 of those guys - Rivers, Romo, Ben. They were 2-1. The rest of their games were against QBs not on this list, who's to fault there? They have one of the top 9 QBs and they played 3 more.
The Gmen played against Rodgers 2x, Romo 2x, Brady, and Brees. They went 4-2. Not much different then the Pats.
If you want to say the Giants are playing better right now then this year, yes you are correct, but my point is that it's already built into the line. Just go look into lines from last week to see there is a major overreaction.
I also bet 4 figures on Pats -4 over gmen, -4.5 over SF and Balt +2 over SF (through a local but they were out there).
So pinnacle and your local were my options?Pinnacle let you bet whatever you wanted on Pats +120 to win or Gmen -400 to lose. If you ran the numbers this game should be at or above 3. I got plenty of Pats +120.I couldn't find a single book willing to let me bet more than $500 into those lines, I don't put much value to those linesLike I said before last week, I think the argument that the Pats played bad QBs is a bad one to make. There's only a couple of premier QBs in this league.
Brees
Brady
Rodgers
Eli
Ben
Stafford
Rivers
Romo - maybe
Ryan - maybe
We can probably all agree those are the current great QBs in this league. New England only got to play against 3 of those guys - Rivers, Romo, Ben. They were 2-1. The rest of their games were against QBs not on this list, who's to fault there? They have one of the top 9 QBs and they played 3 more.
The Gmen played against Rodgers 2x, Romo 2x, Brady, and Brees. They went 4-2. Not much different then the Pats.
If you want to say the Giants are playing better right now then this year, yes you are correct, but my point is that it's already built into the line. Just go look into lines from last week to see there is a major overreaction.
Uh, the Pats played against Eli, and lost. The Giants played against Ryan, and beat him. Shut his team out actually.Like I said before last week, I think the argument that the Pats played bad QBs is a bad one to make. There's only a couple of premier QBs in this league. BreesBradyRodgersEliBenStaffordRiversRomo - maybeRyan - maybeWe can probably all agree those are the current great QBs in this league. New England only got to play against 3 of those guys - Rivers, Romo, Ben. They were 2-1. The rest of their games were against QBs not on this list, who's to fault there? They have one of the top 9 QBs and they played 3 more. The Gmen played against Rodgers 2x, Romo 2x, Brady, and Brees. They went 4-2. Not much different then the Pats.
-115 as a PK meaning I push if they tie...+150 is a loser if they tie.City is going to be all out attacking...they are down a goal in aggregate, so they have to win this game or they are out of the carling cup....Should be pretty exciting.
Should be ~+135
Sounds good.
What's your point? They were only dog to STL. That they only covered as a dog? Early line on 2004 was NE -2.5 and moved all the way to -5.5 at gametime. Only SB middle that I can recall.2008 XLII (42) New York Giants 17, New England 142005 XXXIX (39) New England 24, Philadelphia 212004 XXVIII (38) New England 32, Carolina 29 2002 XXXVI (36) New England 20, St. Louis 17 New England was better off being dubbed the dog in this one...
Sportsbook has Barcelona/Real Madrid O2.5 -250. It was -222 a minute ago.
WTH does this mean?
