FFA Wagering Thread: THERE HE IS!@! (9 Viewers)

[culdeus]

Just got limited by sportsbook to $100 max on props and futures. Any ways to get around this besides friends setting up accts?

I've never heard of sportsbook cutting to $100 ... if they are gonna cut, its usually all the way down to $1 or $10.There are many other options as there are many books associated with sportsbook.com that offer the same bets and use the same lines.PM me for more info.You can check if you are cut by going into the props betting, and select a bet, and then put some outrageous number up top and hit place bet, and it will tell you your max. I've seen them cut to $100 occassionally during overnight hours. Go check a few props on sugar bowl, and make sure you are really cut.

I am. Got an email and I checked. Sending pm.

When they cut me I couldn't even risk more than 10 on props. ymmv

 

[Raider Nation]

Seems like all 28 points came in a 2-minute span. The rest of the time..... nothing.

 

[lumpy19]

Just got limited by sportsbook to $100 max on props and futures. Any ways to get around this besides friends setting up accts?

Next stop, broburysports after that hollywood sportsbook. few more after that, brobury is the most reliable/tolerant. None are as tolerant as the mothership sportsbook

 

[lumpy19]

If your sportsbook(probably only locals) have any ogilvy lines up for the pga tourney this weekend, bet against ogilvy, sliced his finger on a reef.

Any Zach johnson lines that haven't already been hammered are probably good bets, he smashed his toe and is experimenting playing in sandals. If he just tees off he's guaranteed a payday so he's going to do his best to at least tee off which makes the wager official. Most of the online books have already been hammered because of this info.

Ogilvy withdrew already.

Looks like he's going to w/d but hasn't officially done so, only got 2 bets in but still BOOOOOOOO

He tweeted he withdrew and posted a pic of the reefed finger.http://yfrog.com/hs3glcj

yup twitter is such an awesome tool for gambling.....probably the best thing to happen to gambling since the spread was created.the slow book i found ogilvy lines at cut my limits after i placed those bets, pretty stupid play by me. Trying to angle shoot the book is going to cost me. this book had 3k limits on CBB totals and slow lines such a stupid mistake

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

The under 24.5 2nd half seems like the play, no? The side, who knows, and I already have a little on MTS anyway...

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Sitting here at my buddy's pad with the bookie, watching the Lakers/Suns with these 3-D glasses on, talking gambling. It's hilarious, like I'm in movie.

The book just offered, 3 minutes in, to already buy us out of this Under 3-pointer prop bet we both went big on. And I just parlayed the Suns to the Clips and ordered a small batch of vicodin. All in one sentence.

The 3-D glasses are what I can't stop laughing at. That, and my Italian buddy is in his Hugh Hefner bathrobe.

3 by Artest goes up....we yell "NOOOO".......he hits it and Gary the Book stands up and yells, "YEEEEESSS, 17 more biitches!!!!". Too funny.

Talk to me about the 3D tv experience. I just finished my basement(thanks NFL teasers) and went with a non 3Dtv. I can't imagine it's enjoyable to sit and watch TV with 3D glasses on.

Love that you owe your basement to NFL teasers. You have to name it as such. Get some engraved wood thingy in there and call your bar "Teasers".3D, I don't know man, don't really dig it. It's cool for a little while but I found myself wanting to go back to regular TV each time I've tried it. The dim lighting that the glasses produce really annoys me. And you lose the sharpness you get from a good TV, especially with HD these days. Maybe I have to get used to it, I don't know. Could be that I'm so accustomed to watching sports one way, I just don't wanna change, I don't know. And it's not the TV, this thing is killer -- brand new 63" UN Samsung 8000. Also, I have yet to watch a movie in 3-D so I might like that...

Honestly, it kind of seems like a fad (again) to me.

 

[sheerterror]

Just got limited by sportsbook to $100 max on props and futures. Any ways to get around this besides friends setting up accts?

Next stop, broburysports after that hollywood sportsbook. few more after that, brobury is the most reliable/tolerant. None are as tolerant as the mothership sportsbook

I think I set the record for getting cut at Brobury - less than 48 hours and $40 in profits and I was down to $10 maxes. #### Sportsbook in their stupid asses and all books associated with them.

 

[lumpy19]

Love that you owe your basement to NFL teasers. You have to name it as such. Get some engraved wood thingy in there and call your bar "Teasers".3D, I don't know man, don't really dig it. It's cool for a little while but I found myself wanting to go back to regular TV each time I've tried it. The dim lighting that the glasses produce really annoys me. And you lose the sharpness you get from a good TV, especially with HD these days. Maybe I have to get used to it, I don't know. Could be that I'm so accustomed to watching sports one way, I just don't wanna change, I don't know. And it's not the TV, this thing is killer -- brand new 63" UN Samsung 8000. Also, I have yet to watch a movie in 3-D so I might like that...Honestly, it kind of seems like a fad (again) to me.

good info.....i'm not concerned with movies, basement is all about sports.

 

[lumpy19]

Just got limited by sportsbook to $100 max on props and futures. Any ways to get around this besides friends setting up accts?

Next stop, broburysports after that hollywood sportsbook. few more after that, brobury is the most reliable/tolerant. None are as tolerant as the mothership sportsbook

I think I set the record for getting cut at Brobury - less than 48 hours and $40 in profits and I was down to $10 maxes. #### Sportsbook in their stupid asses and all books associated with them.

GR stuff or your own stuff?

 

[TheGooRoo]

Lump, I think it was you that asked about the Platinum benefits. Just got this link in an email:

http://www.sportsbook.com/landing/New_Plat...efits/index.php

 

[MarshallPlan]

This is one time where a wife would come in handy to create more accounts. Is that bad to say...

 

[sheerterror]

Just got limited by sportsbook to $100 max on props and futures. Any ways to get around this besides friends setting up accts?

Next stop, broburysports after that hollywood sportsbook. few more after that, brobury is the most reliable/tolerant. None are as tolerant as the mothership sportsbook

I think I set the record for getting cut at Brobury - less than 48 hours and $40 in profits and I was down to $10 maxes. #### Sportsbook in their stupid asses and all books associated with them.

GR stuff or your own stuff?

GR. They're starting to put the clamp down I fear.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

This is one time where a wife would come in handy to create more accounts. Is that bad to say...

No, what's bad to say is the #### you said about your family in that one Holiday post. I didn't say anything because I actually felt bad for you. This stuff is fun, and for others it's more than that, which is great if they are making money. But none of it should ever come remotely close to the only thing you really have. I know you think you understand that, but you showed that you're too young to really grasp it. And, that you're too fortunate to have gone through something that would make you never think like that again, which also makes you very lucky.Oh, and tell her to click on the Philadelphia Eagles -2 1/2 button.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

So an old buddy of mine is into trends (and numbers). The guy is classic, very smart, and does his own research. He's truly an exceptional horse racing handicapper but has also become very good at football over the last 10+ years. He does his own research on this stuff from an old book he has , the guy cracks me up. I like to hear his take on things, including FF, because he has a knack of putting emotion and all the hoopla aside, which is great, he's more rational. He actually reminds me of Yudkin, his style. Anyway, here's an email he sent yesterday:

"I tallied the numbers going back to 1991 with my old trend books.

Here is what I got not counting any pushs against the spread or creating a pick/em category:

home teams 58-57 ats

teams off a loss 32-33 ats

teams off a win 56-64 ats

favored teams 56-65

home dogs 9-4( we have 2 this year!)

teams with revenge after just playing the team(last year Eagles and Bengals) 6-5

Dogs have a slight advantage in general. Home dogs was the only really outperforming category."

Not much there, and the only thing that does come up is what we all could assume anyway, although it is nice to verify as such. So I ask him how long it took him to do that and he says an hour and a half. I'm thinking, there must be a site that does a lot of this #### for him, no? For instance, I know covers has some of that stuff but it's pretty basic, what about others? Where do we send "Wags" to save him some time?

Oh, and further research showed KC wasn't a play for him. BUT, that Seattle was an even stronger one, who he is "loading on". And Wags doesn't load much...not like the rest of us anyway, because of course, it doesn't make sense.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

So an old buddy of mine is into trends (and numbers). The guy is classic, very smart, and does his own research. He's truly an exceptional horse racing handicapper but has also become very good at football over the last 10+ years. He does his own research on this stuff from an old book he has , the guy cracks me up. I like to hear his take on things, including FF, because he has a knack of putting emotion and all the hoopla aside, which is great, he's more rational. He actually reminds me of Yudkin, his style. Anyway, here's an email he sent yesterday:

"I tallied the numbers going back to 1991 with my old trend books.

Here is what I got not counting any pushs against the spread or creating a pick/em category:

home teams 58-57 ats

teams off a loss 32-33 ats

teams off a win 56-64 ats

favored teams 56-65

home dogs 9-4( we have 2 this year!)

teams with revenge after just playing the team(last year Eagles and Bengals) 6-5

Dogs have a slight advantage in general. Home dogs was the only really outperforming category."

Not much there, and the only thing that does come up is what we all could assume anyway, although it is nice to verify as such. So I ask him how long it took him to do that and he says an hour and a half. I'm thinking, there must be a site that does a lot of this #### for him, no? For instance, I know covers has some of that stuff but it's pretty basic, what about others? Where do we send "Wags" to save him some time?

Oh, and further research showed KC wasn't a play for him. BUT, that Seattle was an even stronger one, who he is "loading on". And Wags doesn't load much...not like the rest of us anyway, because of course, it doesn't make sense.

Sonny, there is a site called statfox that goes deeper than covers, but I believe some of it he would have to pay for.

 

[lumpy19]

Was hoping it'd hold and it did. Most of the offshore at 10 now on the SEA/NO game...sportsbook has SEA +10.5(-105)

 

[lumpy19]

This is one time where a wife would come in handy to create more accounts. Is that bad to say...

Having a wife doesn't help....unless you live at separate addresses. You need to learn to adapt. Start looking for new things to bet, new ways to beat the books. Use all the money you've won and start riding the variance train on sides and totals with larger wagers.$100 limits aren't bad, you can still make good money with $100 bets. Sportsbook let me plow them for an entire summer on baseball props with $100 limits.The limiting never stops until you can hammer away on closing lines at an exchange.

 

[sheerterror]

Anyone familiar with Betcris/know if they offer player props?

 

[bmj87]

CFB:

2u: Delaware -9.5 -105

 

[lumpy19]

Anyone familiar with Betcris/know if they offer player props?

they do sporadically on nfl...very sporadically on NBA.your best bet if your looking for sportsbook prop lines is another sportsbook skin or 5dimes

 

[sheerterror]

Anyone familiar with Betcris/know if they offer player props?

they do sporadically on nfl...very sporadically on NBA.your best bet if your looking for sportsbook prop lines is another sportsbook skin or 5dimes

Thanks Lump. I was just curious because I just happened into a local that I believe mirrors Betcris so I wanted to see if it was worth my while from a props standpoint.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Anyone familiar with Betcris/know if they offer player props?

they do sporadically on nfl...very sporadically on NBA.your best bet if your looking for sportsbook prop lines is another sportsbook skin or 5dimes

Thanks Lump. I was just curious because I just happened into a local that I believe mirrors Betcris so I wanted to see if it was worth my while from a props standpoint.

Bet365 has plenty of NBA props if you can use it.

 

[bmj87]

1u So. Illinois -1

1u Pacers +5.5

1u Suns -2.5

 

[MarshallPlan]

This is one time where a wife would come in handy to create more accounts. Is that bad to say...

Having a wife doesn't help....unless you live at separate addresses. You need to learn to adapt. Start looking for new things to bet, new ways to beat the books. Use all the money you've won and start riding the variance train on sides and totals with larger wagers.$100 limits aren't bad, you can still make good money with $100 bets. Sportsbook let me plow them for an entire summer on baseball props with $100 limits.The limiting never stops until you can hammer away on closing lines at an exchange.

I've never really been successful beating books like matchbook, pinny, etc. In fairness, I only tried years ago and really don't want to try. The only reason to try to beat them is for my ego and I couldn't care less.

 

[nittanylion]

Looking for a 'W' tonight, feeling very strongly about LSU, at -2.5 right now, would like to wait for it to drop, but not interested in paying extra if the line moves the other way...

...which it really shouldn't because square money is going to look at how both Teams finished the Season (LSU weak, A&M strong) without looking inside the numbers. LSU lost 2 of their last 3, but they were on the road vs Auburn and Arkansas, two of the best in the nation, while A&M won 6 straight vs largely beatable competition. LSU should have a field position advantage based on superior special teams, should be able to run the ball decently, and although their passing game is only slightly above average, the offense as a whole shows a strong tendency to rise to the occasion and increase it's productivity in relation to the strength of the defense it's playing against. A&M has been a great Team to bet with over the last 1/2 of the year, but in this situation, LSU is a Team that can neutralize A&M's strength's and who's own strengths should be more productive. LSU's Defense should be able to shut down A&M enough so that LSU won't have to play away from it's own strong running game. Roughly 3 points is a reasonable line, so this one's probably close. Too close to play heavy, but I'll place more than a recreational wager on the Tigers.

Good Luck, Fellas!

 

[lumpy19]

Anyone familiar with Betcris/know if they offer player props?

they do sporadically on nfl...very sporadically on NBA.your best bet if your looking for sportsbook prop lines is another sportsbook skin or 5dimes

Thanks Lump. I was just curious because I just happened into a local that I believe mirrors Betcris so I wanted to see if it was worth my while from a props standpoint.

They've got NFL player props up for tomorrows games...here's what I played, I thought they had a lot of bad lines

01/08/2011 @ 01:30 PM MU [20488] TOTAL u40½EV(D HENDERSON TOT REC YARDS vrs D HENDERSON TOT REC YARDS)01/08/2011 @ 01:30 PM MU [20486] TOTAL u3-115(D HENDERSON TOT PASS RECEPT vrs D HENDERSON TOT PASS RECEPT)01/08/2011 @ 01:30 PM MU [20502] TOTAL u28-130(D BREES TOT PASS COMPLET vrs D BREES TOT PASS COMPLET)01/08/2011 @ 01:30 PM MU [20532] TOTAL u4½-110(L MOORE TOT PASS RECEPT vrs L MOORE TOT PASS RECEPT)01/08/2011 @ 01:30 PM MU [20535] TOTAL o4-135(M WILLIAMS TOT PASS RECEPT vrs M WILLIAMS TOT PASS RECEPT)01/08/2011 @ 01:30 PM MU [20537] TOTAL o40½-130(M WILLIAMS TOT REC YARDS vrs M WILLIAMS TOT REC YARDS)01/08/2011 @ 01:30 PM MU [20539] TOTAL o3+105(B OBOMANU TOT PASS RECEPT vrs B OBOMANU TOT PASS RECEPT)01/08/2011 @ 01:30 PM MU [20541] TOTAL o35½-115(B OBOMANU TOT REC YARDS vrs B OBOMANU TOT REC YARDS)01/08/2011 @ 05:05 PM MU [20558] TOTAL u27-115(P MANNING TOT PASS COMPLET vrs P MANNING TOT PASS COMPLET)01/08/2011 @ 05:05 PM MU [20563] M SANCHEZ MOST PASS COMPLET +8½-105(M SANCHEZ MOST PASS COMPLET vrs P MANNING MOST PASS CO 01/08/2011 @ 05:05 PM MU [20588] TOTAL u6-105(J TAMME TOT PASS RECEPT vrs J TAMME TOT PASS RECEPT)

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

This is one time where a wife would come in handy to create more accounts. Is that bad to say...

Having a wife doesn't help....unless you live at separate addresses. You need to learn to adapt. Start looking for new things to bet, new ways to beat the books. Use all the money you've won and start riding the variance train on sides and totals with larger wagers.$100 limits aren't bad, you can still make good money with $100 bets. Sportsbook let me plow them for an entire summer on baseball props with $100 limits.

The limiting never stops until you can hammer away on closing lines at an exchange.

I've never really been successful beating books like matchbook, pinny, etc. In fairness, I only tried years ago and really don't want to try. The only reason to try to beat them is for my ego and I couldn't care less.

really?

 

[MarshallPlan]

This is one time where a wife would come in handy to create more accounts. Is that bad to say...

Having a wife doesn't help....unless you live at separate addresses. You need to learn to adapt. Start looking for new things to bet, new ways to beat the books. Use all the money you've won and start riding the variance train on sides and totals with larger wagers.$100 limits aren't bad, you can still make good money with $100 bets. Sportsbook let me plow them for an entire summer on baseball props with $100 limits.

The limiting never stops until you can hammer away on closing lines at an exchange.

I've never really been successful beating books like matchbook, pinny, etc. In fairness, I only tried years ago and really don't want to try. The only reason to try to beat them is for my ego and I couldn't care less.

really?

Why else would I try to beat Matchbook/Pinny rather then beat another book? It takes a heck of a lot less time and effort.

 

[lumpy19]

Why else would I try to beat Matchbook/Pinny rather then beat another book? It takes a heck of a lot less time and effort.

Eventually those will be your only option. you can keep picking off the smaller slow moving square books but that ends(assuming you're winning)I'm not saying I can beat pinny or matchbook but i know that will soon be my only option.

 

[MarshallPlan]

Why else would I try to beat Matchbook/Pinny rather then beat another book? It takes a heck of a lot less time and effort.

Eventually those will be your only option. you can keep picking off the smaller slow moving square books but that ends(assuming you're winning)I'm not saying I can beat pinny or matchbook but i know that will soon be my only option.

If I ever get there I will stop gambling. I know I can't beat basic sides and totals - in fairness like I said I haven't have to but no thank you. Even if I do, I will only win a few units per year. Not worth the hassle, I will find another source of income/something to do with my time.

 

[lumpy19]

Why else would I try to beat Matchbook/Pinny rather then beat another book? It takes a heck of a lot less time and effort.

Eventually those will be your only option. you can keep picking off the smaller slow moving square books but that ends(assuming you're winning)I'm not saying I can beat pinny or matchbook but i know that will soon be my only option.

If I ever get there I will stop gambling. I know I can't beat basic sides and totals - in fairness like I said I haven't have to but no thank you. Even if I do, I will only win a few units per year. Not worth the hassle, I will find another source of income/something to do with my time.

I made several hundred units last year.you don't have to beat sides and totals, just find people who can. They have the internet on computers now, there are smart people posting all over forums.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Why else would I try to beat Matchbook/Pinny rather then beat another book? It takes a heck of a lot less time and effort.

Eventually those will be your only option. you can keep picking off the smaller slow moving square books but that ends(assuming you're winning)I'm not saying I can beat pinny or matchbook but i know that will soon be my only option.

If I ever get there I will stop gambling. I know I can't beat basic sides and totals - in fairness like I said I haven't have to but no thank you. Even if I do, I will only win a few units per year. Not worth the hassle, I will find another source of income/something to do with my time.

I made several hundred units last year.you don't have to beat sides and totals, just find people who can. They have the internet on computers now, there are smart people posting all over forums.

problem is, in his mind, there is only one of those.

 

[MarshallPlan]

Why else would I try to beat Matchbook/Pinny rather then beat another book? It takes a heck of a lot less time and effort.

Eventually those will be your only option. you can keep picking off the smaller slow moving square books but that ends(assuming you're winning)I'm not saying I can beat pinny or matchbook but i know that will soon be my only option.

If I ever get there I will stop gambling. I know I can't beat basic sides and totals - in fairness like I said I haven't have to but no thank you. Even if I do, I will only win a few units per year. Not worth the hassle, I will find another source of income/something to do with my time.

I made several hundred units last year.you don't have to beat sides and totals, just find people who can. They have the internet on computers now, there are smart people posting all over forums.

problem is, in his mind, there is only one of those.

:X I'm the best!!

In all honesty, we'll see. I have started paying people for picks (GR and Jeff), paying for a forum, etc. Maybe I am being too greedy (trying to make too much) or too lazy - instead of shopping totally actually do some capping.

 

[lumpy19]

I'm the best!!In all honesty, we'll see. I have started paying people for picks (GR and Jeff), paying for a forum, etc. Maybe I am being too greedy (trying to make too much) or too lazy - instead of shopping totally actually do some capping.

There's no such thing as too greedy in the sports gambling game.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Anyone know how Wong teasers have done in the nfl postseason? Better, worse, or the same as the regular season?

 

[MarshallPlan]

Anyone know how Wong teasers have done in the nfl postseason? Better, worse, or the same as the regular season?

With a max of 4 games per week, the sample size sucks. And very likely not all the games fall into wong range anyway. For instance this week only GB should be teased.

 

[lumpy19]

Anyone know how Wong teasers have done in the nfl postseason? Better, worse, or the same as the regular season?

With a max of 4 games per week, the sample size sucks. And very likely not all the games fall into wong range anyway. For instance this week only GB should be teased.

NYJ?

 

[MarshallPlan]

Anyone know how Wong teasers have done in the nfl postseason? Better, worse, or the same as the regular season?

With a max of 4 games per week, the sample size sucks. And very likely not all the games fall into wong range anyway. For instance this week only GB should be teased.

NYJ?

+3 -110, total of 45. Not really, unless you absolutely needed one more team.

 

[MarshallPlan]

Was cleaning out my inbox today, came across this PM from Gambino god knows how long ago.

"You are an idiot. I would really like to see you consider suicide."

He says he wasn't joking.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

ooof.

 

[lumpy19]

Anyone know how Wong teasers have done in the nfl postseason? Better, worse, or the same as the regular season?

With a max of 4 games per week, the sample size sucks. And very likely not all the games fall into wong range anyway. For instance this week only GB should be teased.

NYJ?

+3 -110, total of 45. Not really, unless you absolutely needed one more team.

Is this the clever new way of showing you get lines nobody else gets?2.5 EVERYWHERE, even sia is +3 -120, you're not this stupid

 

[MarshallPlan]

Anyone know how Wong teasers have done in the nfl postseason? Better, worse, or the same as the regular season?

With a max of 4 games per week, the sample size sucks. And very likely not all the games fall into wong range anyway. For instance this week only GB should be teased.

NYJ?

+3 -110, total of 45. Not really, unless you absolutely needed one more team.

Is this the clever new way of showing you get lines nobody else gets?2.5 EVERYWHERE, even sia is +3 -120, you're not this stupid

I have it 3 -110 at my local book. And even so 3 -120 still not worth teasing to me.

 

[ODoyleRules]

CFB:2u: Delaware -9.5 -105

Didn't see a line on this on sportbook. This is my alma mater and will be watching the game closely obviously. The one time my school is on TV! Go Blue Hens!!!

 

[lumpy19]

I have it 3 -110 at my local book. And even so 3 -120 still not worth teasing to me.

Exactly, u realize no one else in this thread or the ENTIRE offshore world has that line right? When someone asks a question maybe you shouldn't respond with what your local book has since no one has access to it. That ever cross your mind? 3 -120 is at SIA, it's a shaded line.....NYJ could not be more in the center of teaser range.pinnacle 2.5 104/104bookmaker 2.5 110/110stop polluting this thread with ####ty information, some people are trying to learn

 

[rundave]

CFB:2u: Delaware -9.5 -105

Didn't see a line on this on sportbook. This is my alma mater and will be watching the game closely obviously. The one time my school is on TV! Go Blue Hens!!!

It is there under bowl games.

 

[MarshallPlan]

I have it 3 -110 at my local book. And even so 3 -120 still not worth teasing to me.

Exactly, u realize no one else in this thread or the ENTIRE offshore world has that line right? When someone asks a question maybe you shouldn't respond with what your local book has since no one has access to it. That ever cross your mind? 3 -120 is at SIA, it's a shaded line.....NYJ could not be more in the center of teaser range.pinnacle 2.5 104/104bookmaker 2.5 110/110stop polluting this thread with ####ty information, some people are trying to learn

Well how about this. Jets close 3 -120 at pinny imo. Tease now if you may with GB.

 

[MarshallPlan]

I took 3 -105 at sb with a&m tonight.

 

[Dexter Manley]

I'm not sure if anyone here has a local that uses bookiemarket.com. One of my locals uses it. I have rarely noticed them being slower to adjust their lines than the mainstream offshore books I compare them to (which is usually pinnacle).

I don't know if this is a default to the site or my guy is just careless, but all teasers are -110 regardless of the actual juice on the line.

For example, Green Bay is +3 -125 right now and the Jets are +2.5 -110. When I do a 2 team teaser with these teams, I only have to wager $110 to win $100 for example, as it doesn't factor in the extra juice on the straight up Green Bay wager.

I realize normal Wong teasers aren't as profitable using +3 instead of the standard +1.5 to +2.5 range. But in this particular case, wouldn't this be about the same profitability (in theory), since I'm getting a significant discount on the juice for Green Bay? (-110 instead of -125.)

 

[Romulan]

Help a fellow FFA thread guy with his rookie of the year guy - Mike Williams

Please vote here http://www.nfl.com/partner?partnerType=rookies

With all due respect when it comes to offense no way does Bradford deserve it, He helped his team get better but still finish with a terrible record while the Bucs finished 10-6 mostly thanks to Freeman having Williams week in week out.

Williams deserves it he was drafted in the 4th round no one expected him to do anything.

P.S. help me win my 20 to 1 odds

http://www.nfl.com/partner?partnerType=rookies

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Lump>you playin CFB tonight?