Fight Song - Shell Game (1 Viewer)

[Run It Up]

Id like to have a serious discussion about what Chip Kelly and Bill Belichick have done this season with the shell game eligibility.

After the Baltimore game, Tony Dungy said he knew someone on the rules committee who had told him this offseason they would ban this from competition.

He has now written an article on it.

Dungy said that, if he were coaching the Seahawks, he’d reluctantly tell the players to fake defensive injuries in the Super Bowl to counter New England’s tactic.

“It’s something I’m totally against doing but I would certainly tell my players to do it rather than have the NFL issue an apology the next day after we lost a Super Bowl,” Dungy said, adding he would do it only as a last resort.

 

[12punch]

he’d reluctantly tell the players to fake defensive injuries in the Super Bowl to counter New England’s tactic.

“It’s something I’m totally against doing but I would certainly tell my players to do it

 

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It may have been lost in all this football pressure controversy, but a lot of people have been talking about how innovative this is for the league and how it could change the future of football in the way teams attack defenses.

Dungy is clearly an opponent of it, most of the people I've talked to think its a fresh wrinkle to the game and enjoy it.

I'm biased imo, being a Pats fan - but it doesn't feel like a gimmick to me. It feels like an extension of a high tempo offensive attack. I also think Dungy suggesting that opponents to fake injuries is hilarious, reminds me of the Giants defense crumbling under the no-huddle tempo, multiple players taking flops on the same plays just to repel them.

 

[12punch]

a lot of teams have always used similar plays, but I think that particular flavor probably works because of the pats' personnel + the offense they normally run, and some teams don't have that.

I mean, if anybody on balt is paying attention and somebody runs with hooman maybe they go to 2nd read, or it doesn't work and we aren't even talking about it.

think they ran it against indy and threw incomplete to lafell -- didn't hear much about it after the game.

for example, if graham was in hooman's role do you think he's left uncovered?

what if they used him in gronk's place --- can he be trusted to block like a tackle?

if I split ridley out wide instead of vereen do they care all that much, and can he be another read on the play?

I think what sells it against balt is it's disguised as fairly normal roles for our players.

 

[JetMaxx]

reminds me of the Giants defense crumbling under the no-huddle tempo, multiple players taking flops on the same plays just to repel them.

Which loss?

 

[Run It Up]

I think you're right in that not everyone can do it, but I don't think its an incredibly demanding maneuver.

The Pats ran it several times throughout the Indy game with pretty good success. But consider the things they haven't done yet like run it out of those formations, and some of the things they can't do but other teams can like running an option out of it.

I think this is just the surface.

 

[rockaction]

So can we rename this thread the Patriot homers unite thread? Or what?

 

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So can we rename this thread the Patriot homers unite thread? Or what?

Id like to hear your opinion about the eligibility shell game the Eagles and Pats have both used this year.

But, no I won't rename the thread - Mods feel free to if you so wish.

 

[rockaction]

So can we rename this thread the Patriot homers unite thread? Or what?

Id like to hear your opinion about the eligibility shell game the Eagles and Pats have both used this year.

But, no I won't rename the thread - Mods feel free to if you so wish.

I have absolutely no problem with it. If you line up with four offensive lineman and you have a receiver "covered" by another receiver, it would seem to be something the rules committee should take up in the off-season.

And I think it's the Lions that used the shell game, not the Eagles, though they both may have done so this year.

 

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According to Colts radio host, the Solder TD should not have counted.

The claim being that the play before Solder declared eligible and caught the TD, Cameron Flemming declared as eligible. Then the play where Solder did catch the TD, they are saying Flemming didn't leave the game or report.

Anyone know the rules on this? How does reporting work, could Solder have told the judge that he was eligible and Flemming was ineligible or does Flemming physically have to do it?

 

[12punch]

pretty sure you have to report yourself, and as a matter of fact i think we took a penalty on that, if you remember.

pretty sure there's a rule where you have to sit out a play or have a clock stoppage of some kind, penalty, etc, but I don't know the exact rule

edit: go look in the trick plays thread -- I posted some articles about it

think the thread title is "trick plays - super karate monkey death car" or something like that

they can take that td back if they want

further edit: ohhh....I wan't really paying attention -- pretty sure fleming doesn't need to report as ineligible because he's a lineman with an ineligible #

it's not like a switch you flip on -- he would have to report each time he's eligible on a play.

 

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This is what I could find:

RETURNING TO ORIGINAL POSITION Article 2

A player who has reported a change in his eligibility status to the Referee is permitted to return to a position indicated by the eligibility status of his number after: (a) a team time out; (b) the end of a quarter; © the two-minute warning; (d) a foul; ..

 

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So apparently the Seahawks complained to the officials and the officials will now be using special hand signals to identify ineligible receivers with eligible numbers.

Of all the possible solutions (pretending for a second that there was a problem to begin with), probably the simplest - but it feels really dumb to cater to the defense, telling them who to cover and not.

 

[12punch]

So apparently the Seahawks complained to the officials and the officials will now be using special hand signals to identify ineligible receivers with eligible numbers.

Of all the possible solutions, probably the simplest - but it feels really dumb to cater to the defense, telling them who to cover and not.

well, I probably won't be reading that, but it's all just about communicating info --- not sure how hand signals would be much different, but maybe I'd have to read it.

the defense needs to know whose eligibility is contrary to their number.

 

[Run It Up]

So apparently the Seahawks complained to the officials and the officials will now be using special hand signals to identify ineligible receivers with eligible numbers.

Of all the possible solutions, probably the simplest - but it feels really dumb to cater to the defense, telling them who to cover and not.

well, I probably won't be reading that, but it's all just about communicating info --- not sure how hand signals would be much different, but maybe I'd have to read it.

the defense needs to know whose eligibility is contrary to their number.

I had heard they will stand over the ineligible receiver and cross their arms like an 'x'

 

[Hankmoody]

but it feels really dumb to cater to the defense, telling them who to cover and not.

You do realize that's the entire purpose of whole eligible/ineligible number concept in the first place, right? If the Cheatriots weren't trying to subvert that in the first place this wouldn't be an issue.

Yeah, go ahead and rename the thread now.

 

[Run It Up]

but it feels really dumb to cater to the defense, telling them who to cover and not.

You do realize that's the entire purpose of whole eligible/ineligible number concept in the first place, right? If the Cheatriots weren't trying to subvert that in the first place this wouldn't be an issue.

Yeah, go ahead and rename the thread now.

To what?

Also, I thought thats exactly what "Hey jackass don't cover 34" meant - not literally standing over them and telling them who to cover.

I mean, it makes sense for SEA, trying to drown NE offense in noise, and at the same time their own defense - but its okay the refs will just signal it now.