Finding common ground (5 Viewers)

[Sabertooth]

Like that one pipeline will make a difference.

http://www.pipeline101.com/where-are-pipelines-located

Why do you hate clean water?  

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Drastically provide a smaller government (FEMA, Housing & Urban Dev, DOT, etc. )

Fiscal responsible. Pay down/slow national debt.

Cut military spending. Start at 50% cut and keep going. 

Eliminate NASA

Flat/simple tax code. Tax code that can fit on a single 8.5x11 page. 

Term limits all around, 2 terms max. 

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Why do you hate clean water?  

I love the clean water I have despite all those pipelines you hate.

 

[Buzzbait]

Drastically provide a smaller government (FEMA, Housing & Urban Dev, DOT, etc. )

Fiscal responsible. Pay down/slow national debt.

Cut military spending. Start at 50% cut and keep going. 

Eliminate NASA

Flat/simple tax code. Tax code that can fit on a single 8.5x11 page. 

Term limits all around, 2 terms max. 

I like most of these suggestion except possibly the bolded.

I'm OK with reducing military spending but 50% is too drastic. That sounds akin to the way Trump initiated travel restrictions (NOW! Don't think about it just do it NOW!). I'd want to start lower and ramp down.

Does eliminating NASA mean stopping all space exploration? Asking because to most NASA = Space Exploration but that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. Regardless I'm against eliminating NASA but curious as to your POV.

 

[IC FBGCav]

Clean water.  We can all agree that we want clean water to drink, right?

You know what is good for clean water?  Fracking, helps purify the ground water supply.

 

[AAABatteries]

I'm pro pipe laying 

 

[James Daulton]

I'm pro @AAABatteries selfies.

 

[Henry Ford]

Agree. "How about attacking people because of a shirt with a political statement (non-derogatory)"

A "Make America Great" t-shirt however should be able to be worn without consequence.

Too much moral fiber perhaps? 

I think you forgot a word in the slogan.

 

[[icon]]

My rules: As long as you're not hurting me or someone else... have at it.
I think you should be able to own any reasonable weapon you want (with reasonable background check)
(yes that includes semi-automatic rifles no matter what shape or size or how scary they look, no that doesn't include grenades, RPGs, Surface to air missiles, mortars). 
I am Pro Choice 
I am for equal rights based on sexual orientation, gender, or race
I am against affirmative action or forced special treatment based on sexual orientation, gender, or race
I am for term limits, campaign finance reform, limiting lobbyist industry, looser requirements for 3rd party candidates to participate in elections 
I am for for large scale decriminalization of most drugs with substantial improvements in treatment options 
I am for increasing government assistance to those who have proven a need, but requiring some work for that assistance 
I am for wholesale simplification of the tax code, perhaps to fair tax levels 
I am pro law enforcement having the authority and support to police properly, but also for heavy penalties for those proven bad apples. 
I am for the death penalty. 
I am for auditing the defense department in an effort to run more efficiently
I am for control of the education system to be handled on a state level 
I am for sensible environmental regulation with a special emphasis on preserving our water supply 
I am for the space program, but also working with/ incentivizing involvement by private entities as well 
I am for religious freedom, i am against any financial or political benefits given to religious institutions or its adherents. 
I am for stiffer penalties for unruly disruptions of the peace that result in damage to property or assault. 
I am for applying even stiffer penalties to those shown to incite or drive those protests financially or on an organizational level 
I am for a human's right to use any reasonable force necessary to defend themselves and their loved ones 
I am for strong borders, but a reasonable path to citizenship for a controlled number of properly vetted folks. 
I am for a very short leash for new immigrants to our nation, and showing inability to follow major laws leads to deportation 
I am for stem cell research
I am for more aggressive research on the ethics and practical applications of artificial intelligence 

 

 

[Henry Ford]

My rules: As long as you're not hurting me or someone else... have at it. Yeah, we need more of this kind of mindset
I think you should be able to won any reasonable weapon you want (with reasonable background check) I think the argument here is usually over what is "reasonable"
I am Pro Choice Ditto
I am for equal rights based on sexual orientation, gender, or race Ditto, althought I think some people disagree on what is "equal" and what is "special treatment"
I am against affirmative action or forced special treatment based on sexual orientation, gender, or race  See above
I am for term limits, campaign finance reform, limiting lobbyist industry, looser requirements for 3rd party candidates to participate in elections I worry about term limits primarily because only long-term legislators seem to have the knowledge of government necessary to truly oppose lobbyists/limit their power
I am for for large scale decriminalization of most drugs with substantial improvements in treatment options  God, yes
I am for increasing government assistance to those who have proven a need, but requiring some work for that assistance I think that depends, for me.  I think single parents should be doing more parenting and less working, frankly, to try to deal with the lack of family unit influence on generations of kids who end up lost.  I also think that the disabled/etc. should be getting more help than they do.  Other than that, though (and maybe some exceptions I haven't thought of) totally on board.
I am for wholesale simplification of the tax code, perhaps to fair tax levels Probably - but I'd really need to see CBO/real world effect projections before I'd feel comfortable with that.  If we institute BIG, I'm definitely on board.
I am pro law enforcement having the authority and support to police properly, but also for heavy penalties for those proven bad apples. Ditto 
I am for the death penalty. God, I waffle on this.  I'm often anti-death-penatly but really have a tough time when there are people who likely deserve the needle.  Hard to remind myself it isn't about what people "deserve" but about trying to have a better long term effect on society.
I am for auditing the defense department in an effort to run more efficiently Yeah, something has to be done here
I am for control of the education system to be handled on a state level I mostly am, though I think the federal government should be keeping statistics and studying what works to provide resources to the States.
I am for sensible environmental regulation with a special emphasis on preserving our water supply Again - what is sensible tends to be the argument point here.
I am for the space program, but also working with private entities as well I sort of am, but I feel we as a world need to solidify what the potential rights/responsibilities are for private actors in space.  I don't need Exxon-Mobile annexing Mars on behalf of the corporation
I am for religious freedom, i am against any financial or political benefits given to religious institutions or its adherents. Absolutely
I am for stiffer penalties for unruly disruptions of the peace that result in damage to property or assault. I'm for penalties for the acts of damage or assault, and in really egregious instances I'm for "inciting" but other than that, I think violent or destructive idiots are responsible for their own actions
I am for applying even stiffer penalties to those shown to incite or drive those protests financially or on an organizational level Only to the extent that they clearly and intentionally are inciting illegal activity, for me
I am for a human's right to use any reasonable force necessary to defend themselves and their loved ones Yeah, I'm basically in the "out there we're all trying to get ahead, but you come at me or mine on my property and I'll take your head off" camp
I am for strong borders, but a reasonable path to citizenship for a controlled number of properly vetted folks. Reasonable will be debatable again, but yeah.  Basically.  If you've been here 20 years contributing, I feel like we should probably have some way to keep you in the fold too.
I am for a very short leash for new immigrants to our nation, and showing inability to follow major laws leads to deportation Depending on what "major laws" means, probably

 

I think there's a lot of common ground here for most.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

I like most of these suggestion except possibly the bolded.

I'm OK with reducing military spending but 50% is too drastic. That sounds akin to the way Trump initiated travel restrictions (NOW! Don't think about it just do it NOW!). I'd want to start lower and ramp down.

Does eliminating NASA mean stopping all space exploration? Asking because to most NASA = Space Exploration but that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. Regardless I'm against eliminating NASA but curious as to your POV.

Re: defense spending, it it so far out of whack (+500B annually) in the amount of total govt spending. Start slow, implement a plan to get that in line. Re: NASA, to me, is not a deal breaker, but it's an easy way to start the process of putting the govt financial house in some way better. 

 

[mr. furley]

Eliminate NASA

everything they do is fake anyways

 

[mr. furley]

Re: NASA, to me, is not a deal breaker, but it's an easy way to start the process of putting the govt financial house in some way better. 

not agreeing or disagreeing but:

NASA's FY 2011 budget of $18.4 billion represented about 0.5% of the $3.4 trillion United States federal budget during that year, or about 35% of total spending on academic scientific research in the United States.

 

[glvsav37]

I am pro-gay marriage.....why should only straight men get the glorious opportunity to have a mother-in-law!

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Get rid of the IRS 

 

[glvsav37]

My rules: As long as you're not hurting me or someone else... have at it.
I think you should be able to own any reasonable weapon you want (with reasonable background check)
(yes that includes semi-automatic rifles no matter what shape or size or how scary they look, no that doesn't include grenades, RPGs, Surface to air missiles, mortars). 
I am Pro Choice 
I am for equal rights based on sexual orientation, gender, or race
I am against affirmative action or forced special treatment based on sexual orientation, gender, or race
I am for term limits, campaign finance reform, limiting lobbyist industry, looser requirements for 3rd party candidates to participate in elections 
I am for for large scale decriminalization of most drugs with substantial improvements in treatment options 
I am for increasing government assistance to those who have proven a need, but requiring some work for that assistance 
I am for wholesale simplification of the tax code, perhaps to fair tax levels 
I am pro law enforcement having the authority and support to police properly, but also for heavy penalties for those proven bad apples. 
I am for the death penalty. 
I am for auditing the defense department in an effort to run more efficiently
I am for control of the education system to be handled on a state level 
I am for sensible environmental regulation with a special emphasis on preserving our water supply 
I am for the space program, but also working with/ incentivizing involvement by private entities as well 
I am for religious freedom, i am against any financial or political benefits given to religious institutions or its adherents. 
I am for stiffer penalties for unruly disruptions of the peace that result in damage to property or assault. 
I am for applying even stiffer penalties to those shown to incite or drive those protests financially or on an organizational level 
I am for a human's right to use any reasonable force necessary to defend themselves and their loved ones 
I am for strong borders, but a reasonable path to citizenship for a controlled number of properly vetted folks. 
I am for a very short leash for new immigrants to our nation, and showing inability to follow major laws leads to deportation 
I am for stem cell research
I am for more aggressive research on the ethics and practical applications of artificial intelligence 

 

You interested in a running mate? 

 

[adonis]

I get uncomfortable with how willing folks like Bernie Sanders are to tell companies how much their CEO's should make.  I get their point, and I sorta agree it's ridiculous, but hearing someone from government say that...just rubs me the wrong way.

 

[James Daulton]

I get uncomfortable with how willing folks like Bernie Sanders are to tell companies how much their CEO's should make.  I get their point, and I sorta agree it's ridiculous, but hearing someone from government say that...just rubs me the wrong way.

Not me.  The ratio of CEO pay to the average worker is completely out of whack and they basically set their own pay.  Anything that reigns in these crooks I'm all for.

 

[James Daulton]

not agreeing or disagreeing but:

NASA's FY 2011 budget of $18.4 billion represented about 0.5% of the $3.4 trillion United States federal budget during that year, or about 35% of total spending on academic scientific research in the United States.

Academic?  Scientific?  GTFO

 

[TheAristocrat]

Liberals around here have taken George W Bush's statement "If you are not with us, you're against us" to heart.

#CommonGround 

 

[BowieMercs]

My rules: As long as you're not hurting me or someone else... have at it.
I think you should be able to own any reasonable weapon you want (with reasonable background check)
(yes that includes suppressed semi-automatic rifles and handguns no matter what shape or size or how scary they look, no that doesn't include grenades, RPGs, Surface to air missiles, mortars). 
I am Pro Choice 
I am for equal rights based on sexual orientation, gender, or race including marriage, estate & health care rights
I am against affirmative action or forced special treatment based on sexual orientation, gender, or race
I am for term limits, campaign finance reform, limiting lobbyist industry, looser requirements for 3rd party candidates to participate in elections 
I am for for large scale decriminalization of most drugs with substantial improvements in treatment options 
I am for increasing government assistance to those who have proven a need, but requiring some work for that assistance 
I am for wholesale simplification of the tax code, perhaps to fair tax levels 
I am pro law enforcement having the authority and support to police properly, but also for heavy penalties for those proven bad apples. 
I am for the death penalty.   I don't trust the government / legal justice system to apply this fairly and without regard to race. Also, death row & appeals cost too much
I am for auditing the defense department  every govt agency in an effort to run more efficiently
I am for control of the education system to be handled on a state level 
I am for sensible environmental regulation with a special emphasis on preserving our water supply 
I am for the space program, but also working with/ incentivizing involvement by private entities as well 
I am for religious freedom, i am against any financial or political benefits given to religious institutions or its adherents. 
I am for stiffer penalties for unruly disruptions of the peace that result in damage to property or assault. 
I am for applying even stiffer penalties to those shown to incite or drive those protests financially or on an organizational level 
I am for a human's right to use any reasonable force necessary to defend themselves and their loved ones 
I am for strong borders, but a reasonable path to citizenship for a controlled number of properly vetted folks. 
I am for a very short leash for new immigrants to our nation, and showing inability to follow major laws leads to deportation 
I am for stem cell research all types of stem cells?
I am for more aggressive research on the ethics and practical applications of artificial intelligence  wat 

 

I made a few tweaks, but close enough is close enough

 

[AAABatteries]

Not me.  The ratio of CEO pay to the average worker is completely out of whack and they basically set their own pay.  Anything that reigns in these crooks I'm all for.

Not to mention these same CEO's pay/bonuses are often dependent on them cutting the bottom line (often read: workers) - they abuse H1B regulations and the like all in the name of making the shareholders money and lining their own pockets.

 

[knowledge dropper]

It's pretty telling that this thread dropped to page 2 while page one has multiple anti-Trump threads.  

 

[knowledge dropper]

My rules: As long as you're not hurting me or someone else... have at it.
I think you should be able to own any reasonable weapon you want (with reasonable background check)
(yes that includes semi-automatic rifles no matter what shape or size or how scary they look, no that doesn't include grenades, RPGs, Surface to air missiles, mortars). 
I am Pro Choice 
I am for equal rights based on sexual orientation, gender, or race
I am against affirmative action or forced special treatment based on sexual orientation, gender, or race
I am for term limits, campaign finance reform, limiting lobbyist industry, looser requirements for 3rd party candidates to participate in elections 
I am for for large scale decriminalization of most drugs with substantial improvements in treatment options 
I am for increasing government assistance to those who have proven a need, but requiring some work for that assistance 
I am for wholesale simplification of the tax code, perhaps to fair tax levels 
I am pro law enforcement having the authority and support to police properly, but also for heavy penalties for those proven bad apples. 
I am for the death penalty. 
I am for auditing the defense department in an effort to run more efficiently
I am for control of the education system to be handled on a state level 
I am for sensible environmental regulation with a special emphasis on preserving our water supply 
I am for the space program, but also working with/ incentivizing involvement by private entities as well 
I am for religious freedom, i am against any financial or political benefits given to religious institutions or its adherents. 
I am for stiffer penalties for unruly disruptions of the peace that result in damage to property or assault. 
I am for applying even stiffer penalties to those shown to incite or drive those protests financially or on an organizational level 
I am for a human's right to use any reasonable force necessary to defend themselves and their loved ones 
I am for strong borders, but a reasonable path to citizenship for a controlled number of properly vetted folks. 
I am for a very short leash for new immigrants to our nation, and showing inability to follow major laws leads to deportation 
I am for stem cell research
I am for more aggressive research on the ethics and practical applications of artificial intelligence 

 

I think this is a pretty solid list.  The heroin epidemic is something that needs addressed at all levels. Although, I am for decriminalizing the minor hippie lettuce offenses. 

 

[TheAristocrat]

I'm voting the Henry Ford - [icon] ticket in 2020.  Or [icon] - Henry Ford.  Whatever you guys decide.

 

[James Daulton]

I'm voting the Henry Ford - [icon] ticket in 2020.  Or [icon] - Henry Ford.  Whatever you guys decide.

I was the first one to announce my candidacy!  

 

[lakerstan]

NASA is one of the most underrated programs we have.  Many of the things we take for granted today are a result of NASA.

Every year, they publish the Spin-off document which shows how their technology is now used in everyday life.  It's pretty amazing...

https://spinoff.nasa.gov/resources.html

 

[elbowrm]

Hi! I am Courtjester.

I am a Trump supporter.

I am pro-choice, I don't care who you marry, I hate getting involved in any Middle East wars and I like things that are good for the environment.

Since Trump is against everything on your list, which of his views make you a Trump supporter?

 

[Dedfin]

Saying what you are for/against is nice, but it doesn't nearly tell the whole story.  Listing priorities is more important.  For instance, if you are for pot legalization and letting gays be married but don't find those issues as important as illegal immigrants or your fear of muslims then it doesn't matter a bit.

 

[Courtjester]

Since Trump is against everything on your list, which of his views make you a Trump supporter?

Since no politician is going to completely embody every view one might have, your attempt at some kind of zing is a nice swing and a miss. 

That being said, I will play along, is Trump proposing some kind of anti-gay marriage movement here. Last time I saw he affirmed Obama's position on same sex protections. Now I may be wrong there.

Is Trump starting a new war in the Middle East? Again maybe I missed it, but I think  he ran on a position of destroying ISIS but not getting involved and being the world's policeman.

It is true that Trump has said he wants to lesson EPA oversight and restrictions, but again has anything been proposed and enacted yet?

The fear mongering is just out of control.

 

[Ignoramus]

My rules: As long as you're not hurting me or someone else... have at it.
I think you should be able to own any reasonable weapon you want (with reasonable background check)
(yes that includes semi-automatic rifles no matter what shape or size or how scary they look, no that doesn't include grenades, RPGs, Surface to air missiles, mortars). 
I am Pro Choice 
I am for equal rights based on sexual orientation, gender, or race
I am against affirmative action or forced special treatment based on sexual orientation, gender, or race
I am for term limits, campaign finance reform, limiting lobbyist industry, looser requirements for 3rd party candidates to participate in elections 
I am for for large scale decriminalization of most drugs with substantial improvements in treatment options 
I am for increasing government assistance to those who have proven a need, but requiring some work for that assistance 
I am for wholesale simplification of the tax code, perhaps to fair tax levels 
I am pro law enforcement having the authority and support to police properly, but also for heavy penalties for those proven bad apples. 
I am for the death penalty. 
I am for auditing the defense department in an effort to run more efficiently
I am for control of the education system to be handled on a state level 
I am for sensible environmental regulation with a special emphasis on preserving our water supply 
I am for the space program, but also working with/ incentivizing involvement by private entities as well 
I am for religious freedom, i am against any financial or political benefits given to religious institutions or its adherents. 
I am for stiffer penalties for unruly disruptions of the peace that result in damage to property or assault. 
I am for applying even stiffer penalties to those shown to incite or drive those protests financially or on an organizational level 
I am for a human's right to use any reasonable force necessary to defend themselves and their loved ones 
I am for strong borders, but a reasonable path to citizenship for a controlled number of properly vetted folks. 
I am for a very short leash for new immigrants to our nation, and showing inability to follow major laws leads to deportation 
I am for stem cell research
I am for more aggressive research on the ethics and practical applications of artificial intelligence 

 

I agree with most of these. 

 

[msommer]

Since Trump is against everything on your list, which of his views make you a Trump supporter?

He is not against Trump supporters, per se...

 

[elbowrm]

Since no politician is going to completely embody every view one might have, your attempt at some kind of zing is a nice swing and a miss. 

That being said, I will play along, is Trump proposing some kind of anti-gay marriage movement here. Last time I saw he affirmed Obama's position on same sex protections. Now I may be wrong there.

Is Trump starting a new war in the Middle East? Again maybe I missed it, but I think  he ran on a position of destroying ISIS but not getting involved and being the world's policeman.

It is true that Trump has said he wants to lesson EPA oversight and restrictions, but again has anything been proposed and enacted yet?

The fear mongering is just out of control.

It honestly wasn't a zing - on all of your points, while he may not have yet taken specific steps, he has shown a deference to those around him whose views may be more hostile than his may have previously been.  The presence of Jeff Sessions, Steve Bannon, and Stephen Miller in particular make me very concerned on these social issues.  

As for "proposed and enacted" - other than some hastily drafted and poorly and confusingly implemented exec orders, has there been any specific legislation proposed at this point?  I don't know the answer.  

In the spirit of the thread, while I disagree with most everything this administration appears to be about, I also disagree with the notion of a Gorsuch filibuster, based upon what we know about him today, both on philosophical and tactical grounds.  Philosophically, because ideology is not sufficient to deny a President his or her choices to the bench.  You disagree, win the elections so you get to choose.  Tactically, because triggering Mitch McConnell to use nuclear option over this nomination would be a mistake.  Make him use it on something that is a political loser (ACA replacement with HSAs, tax cuts for top 1%, etc.), and the road to victory in 2018 becomes a lot clearer.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Like that one pipeline will make a difference.

http://www.pipeline101.com/where-are-pipelines-located

Cool map.

Louisiana is thick with them.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's pretty telling that this thread dropped to page 2 while page one has multiple anti-Trump threads.  

Seems like a nice thread going well.

 

[timschochet]

Why can't I own a surface to air missile? 

 

[Riversco]

Criticisms of both parties:

The democrats would dramatically widen their base if their rank-and-file members (like those on various internet forums) would show immense respect to the ethics and values of rural americans.

 The republicans would dramatically widen their base if they became more accepting of public funding of education. If there is one segment if society that is almost universally democrat it is in higher education and the reason is republicans want to cut public funding.  If republicans just adjusted their platform and said public funding of higher education is a national security issue, they could probably pick off 25%-35% of the education vote which these days seems to be 95% democrat and then they could get real competitive in many areas of the nation they currently are not.

 

[Riversco]

Trying to find a common ground in a nation this divided is going to be very difficult.  

Probably around 85% of republicans distrust the mainstream media.  Probably around 85% of democrats trust the mainstream media.

A majority of urban americans support Obamacare.  And even bigger majority of rural americans want Obamacare abolished.

A majority of urban voters support same sex marriage.  A majority of rural voters oppose same sex marriage.

A majority of all americans lean democrat.  But likely voters swing way more republican.  So Trump can be between 40%-50% in approval rating among all americans but wind up winning easily on election day.

A huge majority of republicans support the travel ban.  A huge majority of democrats oppose the travel ban.

We've become more divided than ever.  Our views are not just opposite but incompatible.

 

[Riversco]

Democrats view republicans as stupid, ignorant, and even dangerous on just about everything (a lot of that I think stems from losing almost the entire education vote)

Republicans view democrats as a group that wants to take away guns, get rid of cops, release criminals from prison and flood the nation with illegals.

Middle ground is hard.

 

[squistion]

It's pretty telling that this thread dropped to page 2 while page one has multiple anti-Trump threads.  

Multiple anti-Trump threads?

Only see one now, unless you are counting The Horror Movie Thread.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Middle ground is hard.

For the sake of good reading I think the point is to say 2 things you like with a 'side' you supposedly oppose. You can't think of anything?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Is Trump starting a new war in the Middle East? Again maybe I missed it, but I think  he ran on a position of destroying ISIS but not getting involved and being the world's policeman.

Yes?

First manned mission into Yemen.

In negotiations with Russia to expand the war vs Isis (and maybe our own allies) in Syria.

 

[Riversco]

For the sake of good reading I think the point is to say 2 things you like with a 'side' you supposedly oppose. You can't think of anything?

Huh?  I already listed 1 thing for each party.  I'll repeat myself.  Democrats need to respect rural american values more, and republicans need to embrace public education.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Multiple anti-Trump threads?

Only see one now, unless you are counting The Horror Movie Thread.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Since Trump is against everything on your list, which of his views make you a Trump supporter?

Man, you have been bamboozled and this one post sums up why trying to compromise is a waste of time. Nice work

 

[elbowrm]

? I legitimately don't know how anyone who cares about those things voted for trump, so I am curious to learn more.  I thought that was the point of this thread.

 

[opensourcebeer]

I am for more aggressive research on the ethics and practical applications of artificial intelligence 

 

This one cannot be underestimated. I think the practical application of AI over the next 20 years will have economic impacts (both positive & negative) potentially larger than industrial revolution.

 

[Harry Manback]

Hi! I am Courtjester.

I am a Trump supporter.

I am pro-choice, I don't care who you marry, I hate getting involved in any Middle East wars and I like things that are good for the environment.

I don't know how you can be a trump supporter if you are pro-choice or care about the environment.

 

[Courtjester]

? I legitimately don't know how anyone who cares about those things voted for trump, so I am curious to learn more.  I thought that was the point of this thread.

I will tag back in here. The premise of this thread was things we can all agree upon. My initial post was where I stand that I know run counter to the GOP's usual SOP that I believe align me more with the Left's positions on these issues. THUS as a Trump voter I am attempting to "Find a Common Ground" with those that do not like Trump.

I believe a lot of us. no matter how we vote, are more similar than we will take the time to admit.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Huh?  I already listed 1 thing for each party.  I'll repeat myself.  Democrats need to respect rural american values more, and republicans need to embrace public education.

Yaknowwhat, I have to apologize.

I misread David's post, this is what he said:

"I am opening up this thread in hopes we can try and find middling ground by people posting something from their side of politics that they disagree with."

I thought he had asked for two things that people agree with the other "side" on. You had it right the first time, apologies.