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Finding the Consensus #4 RB (1 Viewer)

The Hank

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It seems that every year, there is a certain breaking point in terms of consensus #1's, #2's, and #3's.

This year is just the same, its seems that everyone is in the same ballpark about the first 3 picks:

1. L.Tomlinson - SD -

2. S.Jackson - STL -

3. L.Johnson - KC -

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4.?

From here lots of people are not sure who is actually the #4 best RB.

Of course everyone is different and everyone has 3-4 RBS they consider in this position, but there is no clear cut guy in any of the mock drafts I've seen at #4.

Here are the ones I am thinking of, and I'd like to see the FBG opinion of who is the #4 man:

* Frank Gore - SF -

-- After the breakout season that Gore had last year, it would be hard not to put him with the previous players mentioned. Only Larry Johnson (1789) and Ladainian Tomlinson (1815) had more yards than Gore (1695) rushing in the entire NFL, and 4 players out-recieved the SF RB (485). Gore's TD #'s were a solid combined (9) and stayed healthy throughout the season. However, the concern among most fantasy drafters is that very thing, his health. Not only has it been a problem in his past, this training camp he has already injured his hand (broken hand) and concerned about durability. Others are concerned about the change in offensive coordinator (Norv Turner - OAK) and feel that his output may waver. No one questions his outstanding upside, but in many redraft leagues, he has been sliding anywhere from the 4th to the 6th pick.

* Willie Parker - PIT -

-- Willie Parker enjoyed an excellent season being the go-to-guy since Bettis' retirement. Parker had the 6th best rushing yardage in the league (1494), with tied for 4th in rushing TDs (13), with 222 yds 3 TDs recieving. However, due to the changes in the coaching staff (HC Cowher, OC Whisenhunt, OL Grimm), an aging o-line, and a offensive scheme change, many fantasy drafters are overlooking him even after his break out year. New OC Bruce Arians has said that he wants Parker to see more reps on 3rd down and on the goal line situations, as well as catching more passes out of the flat due to an opened up offensive approach similar to Indy. So where Parker should be remains to be seen, anywhere from 4th pick - 8th.

* Shaun Alexander - SEA -

-- The '05 season was a record year for Alexander, setting personal records in TDs (27) and yards (1880), however '06 was an injury plagued season in which he missed 6 games with a broken foot and failed to reach 1000 yards (896) for the first time since 2000 (63). Also, Alexander averaged a paltry 3.8 ypc, and only a dismal 2 20+ yd carries. However, in a year mired by injury and disappointment, he still managed to put up a NFL 7th best yds/game (89.6) and 2nd best att/game (25.2), second only to L. Johnson. Most feel that SA is on the wrong side of 30 with a major injury to his foot to boot, but some have him ranked as high as #4 and as low as #10. So ask yourself, is that enough to make him the #4 RB?

* Joseph Addai - IND -

-- Whenever it was announced that D.Rhodes and Addai would share carries at the beginning of last season we all knew it was a matter of time before the 1st round pick would be in the starting lineup. Whenever Addai got that chance, performed above expectations, and he never let go of it. For the world champs Addai had a sensational rookie season in which he had over 1000 yards (1086) and 7 TDs on the rushing end, with an additional 300+ yds (325) and 3 TDs. Most feel that with Rhodes (641 yds 5 TDs) now in Oakland, Addai will assume his totals as his own which would give him over 2000 allpurpose yds and 15 TDs. Some owners are fearful of the sophomore slump of RBs (see C. Williams TB) and are fearful that he may lose some of the carries to backups DeDe Dorsey or Kenton Keith. I've seen Addai as high as #4 and as low as #10.

There are some other notables of players that could be #4 but all of them has their concern: B. Westbrook - PHI - (Durability), R. Johnson - CIN - ("Non-Sexy" pick, Offensive Approach), as well as others.

I am leaning towards Frank Gore due to the fact that he is still pretty much in the same offense, and there have been moves towards the O-Line and WR corps that will benefit Gore and help take the pressure off of him. Also, its hard to overlook a candidate that put in over 2000 yds of total offense. With these facts and his HR capable to go the distance at any time, I am hopeful that his TD #s will increase as he gets more familiar with starting in the NFL.

I would rank the list as this for #4 RB:

4. F. Gore - SF -

5. W. Parker - PIT -

6. J. Addai - IND -

7. B. Westbrook - PHI -

8. S. Alexander - SEA -

What say you?

:lmao:

 
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Are you still considering LJ number 3 ??

I would have to say SA in that case. At least for redraft and no PPR.

 
a couple of weeks ago there was more of a consensus: tomlinson, jackson, johnson, gore.

with johnson's holdout and gore's hand, i think it is too fluid now to "call" more than a consensus top 2...and i know there are some who might take jackson 1st

 
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Are you still considering LJ number 3 ??I would have to say SA in that case. At least for redraft and no PPR.
Even with the holdout, its hard to overlook his production ever since the broke into the league as a starter. This is why I have Steven Jackson ahead of LJ, due to the holdout. Do you feel that someone at #3 is going to pass on him right now because its August 3rd and he's out of training camp? I don't feel that way, the season starts in a month, plenty of time for the team and him to negotiate a contract and get ample time in training camp, where he would probably be limited so the team can look at the guys behind him on the depth chart.Thats my personal stance.
 
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a couple of weeks ago there was more of a consensus: tomlinson, jackson, johnson, gore.

with johnson's holdout and gore's hand, i think it is too fluid now to "call" more than a consensus top 2...and i know there are some who might take jackson 1st
:lmao: really?
have seen some posts to that effect -- for keeper leagues, i think. but either way lt/sax can be called a consensus top 2, i think -- but larry johnson does not make up a consensus top 3 right now, from reading here.
 
a couple of weeks ago there was more of a consensus: tomlinson, jackson, johnson, gore.

with johnson's holdout and gore's hand, i think it is too fluid now to "call" more than a consensus top 2...and i know there are some who might take jackson 1st
:lmao: really?
have seen some posts to that effect -- for keeper leagues, i think. but either way lt/sax can be called a consensus top 2, i think -- but larry johnson does not make up a consensus top 3 right now, from reading here.
Very good points mystery, I guess it makes things interesting in Dynasty because SJAX is 24 and LT is 28, never thought of it like that.So lets say you have the #3 pick mystery, who would you take over LJ if you are on the clock today, just curious

 
This is a great topic. I'm sure most everyone picking 3 or 4 is experiencing some conflicting thoughts.

In a most redraft formats, nothing is certain beyond LT and SJax. I've got #3 in a non-PPR 12 team redraft league that drafts on August 20th. I may attempt to trade down to 5, 6 or 7 but honestly doubt I will get any takers. Assuming I stay put at #3 and LT and SJax are gone, I plan on following these steps...

1) If LJ signs (or a signing seems imminent) by the time I draft, I take him with no hesitation.

or

2) Provided Gore continues to participate in camp (even if he is held out of pre-season games) I take him and pray for his health. Gore's SOS this year compensates to some degree his injury risk.

or

3) Take my next highest rated RB, currently Westbrook but subject to change.

To answer the question ... no, there is no consenus #4 back nor is there a consensus #3 back.

 
Reading from everyone's thoughts it seems like maybe 'consensus' isnt the word I should use.

Im just trying to gauge everyones thoughts if they were in the position of #3-4 and what they should do because it honestly is a very difficult decision no matter where you look, and with the right reasoning, you can make a case for a great # of players in these slots. Getting insight is nice whenever a someone has a draft coming up soon, thats what makes this board such a useful and great fantasy tool. :lmao:

 
1. LT2

3a. SJax

3b. Portis

4. Addai

5. Gore

6. SAlex

7. FWP

8. LJ

9. Bush

10. Maroney

I dunno... that's just a quickly thrown together mix, and this is the time of year my rankings of players change daily...

 
So lets say you have the #3 pick mystery, who would you take over LJ if you are on the clock today, just curious
i honestly don't know -- my drafts are until late aug and i'm happy about that. but i'm one of those who had lj at #3 last year..so he definitely moves down from there. one of my leagues is keeper and i have s jackson, so i will only have to potentially worry about it in the other. forced to choose, probably gore. (eta- that league gives nothing for receptions)
 
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this is the time of year my rankings of players change daily...
:yes: i hear you. i find threads like this helpful, though, in forcing me to think through the options.
id like to have the same security but I have an upcoming draft so im just trying to get a feel on an opinion of the shark pool of what's going on.good stuff so far ;)
do you get points for receptions?
:no: pretty standard format - .1 point per yard, 6 pt. per td, -2 pt. fum
 
My current RB Top 10 rankings are...

1. LT

2. Jackson

3. Addai

4. Parker

5. Gore

6. L. Johnson

7. Westbrook

8. Alexander

9. Henry

10. Maroney

 
1. LT23a. SJax3b. Portis4. Addai5. Gore6. SAlex7. FWP8. LJ9. Bush10. MaroneyI dunno... that's just a quickly thrown together mix, and this is the time of year my rankings of players change daily...
WOW!!! Portis at #2?!?!?!?!? or "3a/3b" i mean.Let me be the first to say that I will bow down if that pans out.I can see the shuffle for the others, but to see Portis in this converstaion at all is a HUGE gamble if you ask me. . .already injured, coming off a poor season, in a shaky offense AND in a RBBC with a very capable back? To me portis is like taking Frigile Fred when he was still Fragile Fred!My guess at # 3/4 this year. . . . .I think its an outsider. I think its the "Frank Gore" of this year. . .maybe a FWP, or Addai. . . .maybe Bush? Duece gets hurt there and Bush is a monster. . . .could even be a guy like Benson?I think there year is so tough becuase there are 15 backs that have the opportunity to be top 5, and the very same backs have the red flags to be out of the 20. . . . .LJ holds out and you took him with your #3? Gore becomes a flash in the pan? SA Returns to form? Willy Mac find the right system? FWP feels the coaching change more than we are predicting?Maybe I'm wrong, and its just the preseason flutters. . . .but this year seems to be tough to rank the RB's and WR's. . . .I bet its a jumbled mess as the end of the season.My advice, if you arent #1 or #2, here's what you do for the first 5 rounds. . .buy a 10 sided dice before the draft, asign a number to a player. . . .then roll it
 
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I'm re-wroking my RB rankings as I type this, and am seriously thinking about bumping Henry up into my top five (non-ppr league.) He's far more proven than many of the names in front of him (Addai, Maroney, to name a couple) and has produced decent numbers on some bad teams. Now he is entering a system that has made studs of players with less talent. I see him as far less of a risk than some more highly touted backs.

 
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I have the 6th hole in a redraft. Two weeks ago I knew it ould go:

LT

S Jax

LJ

Gore

Now I am glad we draft very late. I am also glad I don't have 3 or 4 because it will be a crap shoot. I felt like I wanted FWP or S/A in the 6 hole but with all the uncertainity who knows where anyone will go beyond the first two. Time will tell.

 
I wouldn't be too worried about LJ right now..I don't think this holdout is going to be as nasty or as lengthy as perhaps Brady Quinn's will be..

staying with the top 3 of

1. LT

2. Sjax

3. LJ

I'd have to seriously consider Travis Henry as the #4 RB...

with the rest of the RB's in the top 10, most, if not all, have a 'yeah, but..'

meaning

Joe Addai was great last year as a rookie..yeah but, he just lost Tarik Glenn and he's never been a full-time RB..

Westbrook had a career year in 2006.. but, he's inujury prone, and last season might've been the high point in his career..he's just as likely to slip back to the 700-club as he is to repeat as a 1200+ yard rusher..plus, factor in the health of McNabb..

Gore had a great 2006.. but, he's already hurt, and will miss a full month of training camp..could be the beginning of the end for this guy..I would want no part of a RB with a LONG history in injuries like Gore has..

FWP had a career year in 2006..but he has a new coaching staff , a sore knee, and an OC who prefers a wide opened 4-WR attack..just how much they plan to use FWP, remains to be seen..

SA is as close to `money in the bank` as your going to find with an early pick like this, but, he still has problems with his foot and he has a lot of mileage for a 30-something RB ( will be 30 on aug 30th)

are you talking about going RB with the #4 pick, or, are you talking about who the #4 ranked RB should be?

for the #4 overall pick, being completely honest here, you might do better to trade down, letting someone else take a chance on one of these guys...lets say the guy at #7 wants that #4 pick..swap first rounders, and get his second and possibly 3rd to move up..you know what I mean, see what others in your league might be willing to pay for this pick..then, take Manning at #7 ( or someone else equally qualified). Manning is the most sure-thing you're going to find in this draft..and they might have to pass the ball a lot more.. and injuries are not a concern with Manning...

If you're just talking about who is the #4 RB, I'd insert Travis Henry in there, assuming Lt, Sjax, LJ are off the board.Who knows ,you might just get LJ at #4.. :lmao:

every single RB in the top 10 carries risk..Westy and Gore carry significantly more risk than others because of their injury-riddled pasts...

just my two cents, Travis Henry is going to light things up in Denver...we're talking about 1500-1600 rush yards, and roughly 15 TDs , nearly identical to Portis' numbers when he was in Denver..

 
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1. LT23a. SJax3b. Portis4. Addai5. Gore6. SAlex7. FWP8. LJ9. Bush10. MaroneyI dunno... that's just a quickly thrown together mix, and this is the time of year my rankings of players change daily...
WOW!!! Portis at #2?!?!?!?!? or "3a/3b" i mean.Let me be the first to say that I will bow down if that pans out.I can see the shuffle for the others, but to see Portis in this converstaion at all is a HUGE gamble if you ask me. . .already injured, coming off a poor season, in a shaky offense AND in a RBBC with a very capable back? To me portis is like taking Frigile Fred when he was still Fragile Fred!My guess at # 3/4 this year. . . . .I think its an outsider. I think its the "Frank Gore" of this year. . .maybe a FWP, or Addai. . . .maybe Bush? Duece gets hurt there and Bush is a monster. . . .could even be a guy like Benson?I think there year is so tough becuase there are 15 backs that have the opportunity to be top 5, and the very same backs have the red flags to be out of the 20. . . . .LJ holds out and you took him with your #3? Gore becomes a flash in the pan? SA Returns to form? Willy Mac find the right system? FWP feels the coaching change more than we are predicting?Maybe I'm wrong, and its just the preseason flutters. . . .but this year seems to be tough to rank the RB's and WR's. . . .I bet its a jumbled mess as the end of the season.My advice, if you arent #1 or #2, here's what you do for the first 5 rounds. . .buy a 10 sided dice before the draft, asign a number to a player. . . .then roll it
Couldn't have said it better.
 
I have a HUGE 2nd Tier at the moment and could see any one of them ending up #4. So i don't think there is a consensus #4, it's a crapshoot for that spot.

Teir 1

LT

SJ

LJ

Tier 2

Alexander

Henry

Portis

Bush

Parker

Addai

Maroney

Gore

Westbrook

Ronnie Brown

Rudi

McGahee

James

MJD

Tier 3

Benson

TJ

Caddy

AD

 
I am pretty sure that there is only a consensus for #1.

I have Travis Henry #2 on my RB board. :towelwave:

 
I have it

LT

Gore

S-Jax

After that as many have said we have a ton of guys with similar value.

Addai

Maroney

Westbrook

FWP

LJ

Bush

Henry

MJD

Rudi (not for me)

Pick your flavor.

I'm way down on LJ because he was worked way too hard last year, his OL is disintegrating and his QB will be either Huard or Croyle.

You guys have me coming around on MJD too. My 2 main leagues' scoring systems are unorthodox-they heavily favor guys who bust long TDs. That bumps up MJD. I'm picking 11 in a 12 team redraft league and I'm seriously considering coming out with Bush/S. Smith/Westbrook and MJD.

 
I have it

LT

Gore

S-Jax

After that as many have said we have a ton of guys with similar value.

Addai

Maroney

Westbrook

FWP

LJ

Bush

Henry

MJD

Rudi (not for me)

Pick your flavor.

I'm way down on LJ because he was worked way too hard last year, his OL is disintegrating and his QB will be either Huard or Croyle.

You guys have me coming around on MJD too. My 2 main leagues' scoring systems are unorthodox-they heavily favor guys who bust long TDs. That bumps up MJD. I'm picking 11 in a 12 team redraft league and I'm seriously considering coming out with Bush/S. Smith/Westbrook and MJD.
I'm with you rexy I'm not touching LJ with a 10 ft pole this year. Once I see a running back go over 400 carries in a season Not to mention his catches I stay FAR AWAY!!! I have the #3 in a redraft and I Pray SJ falls but if he doesn't I trying to decide between Henry,Gore, and FWP I'm leaning toward Henry!!
 
I've got it

1) LT2

2) SJax

3) LJ

4) Addai

I like Gore a lot but I'm still questioning his durability. His shoulders are bad and he's got two reconstructed knees, I'd still take him above most but I like Addai's situation, even with the loss of Glenn.

 
I think Tomlinson and Jackson are the clear top two. After those guys, I think you can realistically justify taking any one of these:

Frank Gore

Joseph Addai

Travis Henry

Shaun Alexander

Brian Westbrook

Willie Parker

Larry Johnson

Gore should be great if he's healthy. LJ and Alexander have been studs in recent seasons. Henry is my dark horse here. I like his chances this season.

 
Shaun Alexander dropped in performance because he got hurt and so did LT Walter Jones and really the entire OL was plagued with injuries and reshuffling. If you aren't putting Alexander at #4, you probably are thinking either him or his OL will get hurt again. And Alexander is 30 years old now, so that possible. Then you've also got a guy like Frank Gore, who had a tremendous season seemingly out of nowhere at age 23. But if he isn't your #4 based on the strong 06 season he posted, then you probably question his youth and you might be wondering if it was a fluke. Between the two, you have quite a crossroads. Long-term, Gore is the play. But for 07, it still might be Alexander.

Ah but then there's Joe Addai. Addai came right out of the box and had a strong season as a rookie. He's in an established premier offense. What the 49ers and Gore did last year might be a fluke - they only did it once. The Colts have more of a track record. Addai seems about as safe as a player with one year under his belt can possibly be.

So yah, #4 would probably be Addai.

 
a couple of weeks ago there was more of a consensus: tomlinson, jackson, johnson, gore.

with johnson's holdout and gore's hand, i think it is too fluid now to "call" more than a consensus top 2...and i know there are some who might take jackson 1st
:thumbup: really?
in dynasty I would consider it.......
I know people have LT2 at 1.01 on the brain over the last 2 years, but SJ dethrones the king this year.
 
Are you still considering LJ number 3 ??

I would have to say SA in that case. At least for redraft and no PPR.
I got him at 1.08 here. Like Christmas in August. LJ is saying he misses being in camp.

I wouldn't draft SA there.

LJ

Gore

Westbrook in PPR.

 
LT

SJax

SA( If he's healthy enough to be considered #4, then he could easily earn #3 based on TDs alone.

Addai

Gore

LJ

Parker

Westy

 
All the SA love in this thread surprises me a little. . . .not that I dont agree that he's only one year removed, but he's still getting some decent hype for being #4 and maybe #3, even considering that complete debacle from last year. I would love if you kept it on the DL because I am drafting from the 9 spot this year, and I have an outside chance of getting him. . . .but not at this rate!

The other getting quite a bit of love is Addai for the #3 of #4

Based on the beginning of the thread it sounds like this to me

1 & 2 are LT and S Jax

#3, if signed is LJ

#4 if preseason goes well is Gore/SA/Addai

with a handfull of others with a shot at being #5-#8

Another hand full that have the opportunity to be top 3-5

All and all, preaseason has many questions to answer!

 
If you get points per reception I think Westbrook is clearly the guy. If not I guess toss them in a hat and draft accordingly. I do not beleive there is a consensus. Most of the time you have to go with your gut and make your own decision.

 
If you get points per reception I think Westbrook is clearly the guy. If not I guess toss them in a hat and draft accordingly. I do not beleive there is a consensus. Most of the time you have to go with your gut and make your own decision.
Knee swelling up in camp already. Bad things follow Westbrook. Last year was anomolous...he's an injury bug, and I hired an Orkin man to come to my draft and make sure I don't get this particular bug on my roster. Waa-a-a-ay too high ADP, given his history.
 
Would love to know who you put in front of Westbrook. I only see LT and SJAX and maybe a signed LJ for PPR leagues.

Westbrook is a consistent threat and he catches like a WR. Plus he can take it to the house from anywhere on the field. I also think Philly will run the ball more as Andy Reid finally learned how a balance offense works.

 

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