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Malt Vinegar or not with the fries?

I like to double dip from the catsup to the vinegar. This is the only place I do this, I think it's from growing up around "Boardwalk Fries" where it seemed like standard practice.
Malt vinegar is only an acceptable condiment when eating fish 'n' chips.
:confused: Is there some hidden sarcasm that I'm missing, or do people really not know what the "chips" are in fish 'n chips?
Yes.
Ok?Fish 'n Chips (for the "Yes, I really didn't know" crowd)
:P
I thought he meant the malt vinegar is for the fish, rather than the chips?
 
They're fried pototoes. If they're not a little mushy, something has gone off the tracks somewhere.
Correct...you want just crispy eat a potato chip :lol:
Crispy on the outside and mushy (like a baked potato) on the inside is the ultimate, IMO. Of the major chains, McD's is the most consistent with this...
They also have the most consistent cut, but we all know they aren't "real" potatoes.
Wat?
 
They're fried pototoes. If they're not a little mushy, something has gone off the tracks somewhere.
Correct...you want just crispy eat a potato chip :lol:
Crispy on the outside and mushy (like a baked potato) on the inside is the ultimate, IMO. Of the major chains, McD's is the most consistent with this...
They also have the most consistent cut, but we all know they aren't "real" potatoes.
Wat?
What's the problem? Do you think McD's unloads a bunch of potatoes, cuts them up and serves them? Potatoes are one ingredient that makes up a McD's french fry. Comparing them to fresh cut fries is not apples to apples.
 
They're fried pototoes. If they're not a little mushy, something has gone off the tracks somewhere.
Correct...you want just crispy eat a potato chip :lol:
Crispy on the outside and mushy (like a baked potato) on the inside is the ultimate, IMO. Of the major chains, McD's is the most consistent with this...
They also have the most consistent cut, but we all know they aren't "real" potatoes. I love me some McD's fries though :bag:
The consistency certainly helps.I'm also think they soak them in sugar or corn syrup (and water, of course) before they freeze them. There's a hint of sweetness there that most fries don't have. I've done this step at home a couple of times and it does give a remarkably McD's-esque flavor.
How McDonalds fries are madePotatoes are peeled

pre cooked in boiling water for about 3 minutes

cut into fries

blanched in 175 degree water for 15 minutes (chemicals including dextrose and sodium acid pyrophosphate are added here)

Into the fryer @ 365 degrees for 50 seconds

Inyo the Oil deshaker to shake oil off

6 minutes on cooling belt

6 minutes in blast freezer

packaged and shipped

 
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Grew up in DC area, where original 5 guys comes from. Love them, but I'm sure there is a dash of nostalgia that helps there. Boardwalk Burgers and Fries, originally from Ocean City, MD is too legit!!! Their handcut fries are also cooked in peanut oil. If given the choice, I'd choose Boardwalk over 5 guys. Yes the price is high, but some things worth the extra few $$$.
Interesting. A Boardwalk just opened in the same shopping center as my local 5 Guys, both about half a mile from my place. Haven't tried Boardwalk yet, and wasn't familiar with the franchise and was surprised they opened so close to 5 Guys. I'll have to give them a try.
 
They're fried pototoes. If they're not a little mushy, something has gone off the tracks somewhere.
Correct...you want just crispy eat a potato chip :lol:
Crispy on the outside and mushy (like a baked potato) on the inside is the ultimate, IMO. Of the major chains, McD's is the most consistent with this...
They also have the most consistent cut, but we all know they aren't "real" potatoes.
Wat?
What's the problem? Do you think McD's unloads a bunch of potatoes, cuts them up and serves them? Potatoes are one ingredient that makes up a McD's french fry. Comparing them to fresh cut fries is not apples to apples.
So you believe frozen potatoes are not real potatoes. Gotchya.
 
They're fried pototoes. If they're not a little mushy, something has gone off the tracks somewhere.
Correct...you want just crispy eat a potato chip :lol:
Crispy on the outside and mushy (like a baked potato) on the inside is the ultimate, IMO. Of the major chains, McD's is the most consistent with this...
They also have the most consistent cut, but we all know they aren't "real" potatoes.
Wat?
What's the problem? Do you think McD's unloads a bunch of potatoes, cuts them up and serves them? Potatoes are one ingredient that makes up a McD's french fry. Comparing them to fresh cut fries is not apples to apples.
So you believe frozen potatoes are not real potatoes. Gotchya.
No...frozen potatoes are real potatoes. McD's french fries aren't. Not sure it's as complicated as you're making it.
 
'Moe. said:
Is Whataburger a national chain? I prefer Whataburger to both Five Guys and In-N-Out.
:thumbup:
No, it's not. And, I've only eaten there once (in El Paso), but found it to be comparable to Carl's Jr. I thought it was pretty much awful.
This is about the "wrongenest" thing I've ever heard. You either ate at some knock off, had a one in a million bad luck experience, or are completely full of ####. Whataburger is absolutely nothing like Carl's Jr.
 
'Moe. said:
Is Whataburger a national chain? I prefer Whataburger to both Five Guys and In-N-Out.
:thumbup:
No, it's not. And, I've only eaten there once (in El Paso), but found it to be comparable to Carl's Jr. I thought it was pretty much awful.
This is about the "wrongenest" thing I've ever heard. You either ate at some knock off, had a one in a million bad luck experience, or are completely full of ####. Whataburger is absolutely nothing like Carl's Jr.
You're right, actually. It was more like Burger King.ETA: It was awful.ETA2: It was the one on N. Mesa St.
 
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Was stopped at the light just outside the 5Guys near me. About 80% full. Guy opened the door and I could hear the Collective Soul blaring inside. Stuck my nose out the car window and tried for a whiff but was a little too far away for the aroma to travel.

 
They're fried pototoes. If they're not a little mushy, something has gone off the tracks somewhere.
Correct...you want just crispy eat a potato chip :lol:
Crispy on the outside and mushy (like a baked potato) on the inside is the ultimate, IMO. Of the major chains, McD's is the most consistent with this...
They also have the most consistent cut, but we all know they aren't "real" potatoes.
Wat?
What's the problem? Do you think McD's unloads a bunch of potatoes, cuts them up and serves them? Potatoes are one ingredient that makes up a McD's french fry. Comparing them to fresh cut fries is not apples to apples.
So you believe frozen potatoes are not real potatoes. Gotchya.
No...frozen potatoes are real potatoes. McD's french fries aren't. Not sure it's as complicated as you're making it.
Stop it already.Few food items are as good as hot, fresh McDs fries. They trump in n outs soggyfries a thousand times over.

Let's stop the foodieism here, it's embarrassing already.

 
No reason to get caught up in semantics here.

I doubt Commish is denying that there are potatoes somewhere in McD's fries, though saying they "aren't real potatoes" makes it sound like that's what he means.

Why don't we just call it "potatoes with a whole bunch of other crap" and be done with it?

Here is the ingredient list per McD's website.

Potatoes, vegetable oil (canola oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, natural beef flavor [wheat and milk derivatives]*, citric acid [preservative]), dextrose, sodium acid pyrophosphate (maintain color), salt. Prepared in vegetable oil (Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to preserve freshness). Dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent.

CONTAINS: WHEAT AND MILK.

*(Natural beef flavor contains hydrolyzed wheat and hydrolyzed milk as starting ingredients).

 
No...frozen potatoes are real potatoes. McD's french fries aren't. Not sure it's as complicated as you're making it.
which step in this process turns them from real potatoes to fake potatoes?http://voices.yahoo.com/how-mcdonalds-fries-made-2502884.html
Le says, "The process is quite involved and takes about an hour and a half." He also told me of the more then twenty steps involved, as he verbally walked me through the process. He began with the potatoes, purchased from the farmers and stored in root cellars, being "flumed into the plant." A flume is nothing more than a small stainless steel canal that uses water to move the "product" through the plant and is only one of four methods used.Once flumed inside the plant, the potatoes are peeled through a process of steaming and tumbling. They then move down the line and are rinsed free of any particles left from this phase of the process.The product then moves to the "sizers." The sizers use various sized grates to separate the potatoes by length. The plant follows strict length specifications set by McDonald's. This is only the first of three attempts to comply with those specifications.This product then goes to the "trim line," where "trimmers," who hand cut any defects from it, visually inspect it.The product is then pre-cooked in boiling water for three minutes to soften it in preparation for introduction into a pipe system called the "lamb guns." Here water pressure moves the product through a series of blades, which cut it into French fries.The fries are then deposited in the "wet graders." This is the second attempt to screen out the shorter product.From the wet graders the fries are flumed to the "A.D.R. room." A.D.R. stands for automatic defect removal. The A.D.R. uses blades to re move laser-detected defects.The fries are then flumed out of the A.D.R. room to the "blancher." The blancher is a large vessel filled with one hundred and seventy degree water. The trip through the blancher takes about fifteen minutes and it is here, according to Le, that "the chemicals are added." Le was not sure what all is added, but I later found a pamphlet published in June of 1991 by McDonald's entitled, "McDonald's food: the facts." It states that both dextrose and sodium acid pyrophosphate are added here to enhance color, as well as to protect the flavor, of the finished product.After the fries leave the blancher, they are dried and then it's off to the "fryer," which is filled with one hundred percent vegetable oil. The oil is heated to three hundred and sixty five degrees and the fries take a fifty second dip before being conveyed to the "de-oiler shaker," where excess oil is "shook off."A six-minute wait on the "cooling belt" precedes a transfer to the "freezer belt," which runs the product through a "blast freezer." This phase takes six minutes and drops the products temperature down to, a chilling, fourteen degrees Fahrenheit. The now frozen product is conveyed to "packaging," and dropped onto shakers, which move it over the "frozen graders." This is the third attempt to meet length specifications set by McDonald's.
 
No reason to get caught up in semantics here.

I doubt Commish is denying that there are potatoes somewhere in McD's fries, though saying they "aren't real potatoes" makes it sound like that's what he means.

Why don't we just call it "potatoes with a whole bunch of other crap" and be done with it?

Here is the ingredient list per McD's website.

Potatoes, vegetable oil (canola oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, natural beef flavor [wheat and milk derivatives]*, citric acid [preservative]), dextrose, sodium acid pyrophosphate (maintain color), salt. Prepared in vegetable oil (Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to preserve freshness). Dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent.

CONTAINS: WHEAT AND MILK.

*(Natural beef flavor contains hydrolyzed wheat and hydrolyzed milk as starting ingredients).
They're essentially just potatoes and preservatives fried in vegetable oil.I don't think adding chemical preservatives transforms the potatoes into non-potatoes, but it does change the nature of the potatoes. A homemade french fry will decompose after a few months, but

. If something acts like a duck, we call it a duck. If something fails to act like a potato, maybe we shouldn't call it a potato?
 
No reason to get caught up in semantics here.

I doubt Commish is denying that there are potatoes somewhere in McD's fries, though saying they "aren't real potatoes" makes it sound like that's what he means.

Why don't we just call it "potatoes with a whole bunch of other crap" and be done with it?

Here is the ingredient list per McD's website.

Potatoes, vegetable oil (canola oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, natural beef flavor [wheat and milk derivatives]*, citric acid [preservative]), dextrose, sodium acid pyrophosphate (maintain color), salt. Prepared in vegetable oil (Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to preserve freshness). Dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent.

CONTAINS: WHEAT AND MILK.

*(Natural beef flavor contains hydrolyzed wheat and hydrolyzed milk as starting ingredients).
They're essentially just potatoes and preservatives fried in vegetable oil.I don't think adding chemical preservatives transforms the potatoes into non-potatoes, but it does change the nature of the potatoes. A homemade french fry will decompose after a few months, but

If something tastes a hundred times better than a soggy, lemming followed In n Out product maybe we should call it better than the most overrated chain ever?
 
No reason to get caught up in semantics here.

I doubt Commish is denying that there are potatoes somewhere in McD's fries, though saying they "aren't real potatoes" makes it sound like that's what he means.

Why don't we just call it "potatoes with a whole bunch of other crap" and be done with it?

Here is the ingredient list per McD's website.

Potatoes, vegetable oil (canola oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, natural beef flavor [wheat and milk derivatives]*, citric acid [preservative]), dextrose, sodium acid pyrophosphate (maintain color), salt. Prepared in vegetable oil (Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to preserve freshness). Dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent.

CONTAINS: WHEAT AND MILK.

*(Natural beef flavor contains hydrolyzed wheat and hydrolyzed milk as starting ingredients).
:goodposting: Thanks Pollard! It scares me that a lot of you have no idea what the hell you are putting in your bodies. I never said there were no potatoes. I acknowledged in my first post about it that there were. I never made any comment one way or the other that they were "good" or not. I think they are fantastic by the way, but only when hot. They get mushy out of the grease. But they aren't just potatoes. They are a science experiment that turned out very well. Comparing them to potatoes that were simply cut up, fried and sprinkled with salt/seasoning is foolish as it pertains to this conversation. It's like comparing a McD's hamburger to one you grill in your back yard yourself.
 
Only in the FFA will you see a bitter debate over french fries. :lmao:

5 Guys Cajun Fries are awesome though, but at a price on the crapper. :unsure:

 
No reason to get caught up in semantics here.

I doubt Commish is denying that there are potatoes somewhere in McD's fries, though saying they "aren't real potatoes" makes it sound like that's what he means.

Why don't we just call it "potatoes with a whole bunch of other crap" and be done with it?

Here is the ingredient list per McD's website.

Potatoes, vegetable oil (canola oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, natural beef flavor [wheat and milk derivatives]*, citric acid [preservative]), dextrose, sodium acid pyrophosphate (maintain color), salt. Prepared in vegetable oil (Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to preserve freshness). Dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent.

CONTAINS: WHEAT AND MILK.

*(Natural beef flavor contains hydrolyzed wheat and hydrolyzed milk as starting ingredients).
:goodposting: Thanks Pollard! It scares me that a lot of you have no idea what the hell you are putting in your bodies. I never said there were no potatoes. I acknowledged in my first post about it that there were. I never made any comment one way or the other that they were "good" or not. I think they are fantastic by the way, but only when hot. They get mushy out of the grease. But they aren't just potatoes. They are a science experiment that turned out very well. Comparing them to potatoes that were simply cut up, fried and sprinkled with salt/seasoning is foolish as it pertains to this conversation. It's like comparing a McD's hamburger to one you grill in your back yard yourself.
Nobody said you said there were no potatoes in them. The question was what makes them not "real potatoes". I couldnt care less about the comparisons with other chains, or whether or not theyre good, I was wondering why frozen potatoes with additives werent "real potatoes" in your opinion. Just because theyre not fresh made on site from raw potatoes doesnt make them "not real". Moving on...

 
Only in the FFA will you see a bitter debate over french fries. :lmao:
Nobody said you said there were no potatoes in them. The question was what makes them not "real potatoes". I couldnt care less about the comparisons with other chains, or whether or not theyre good, I was wondering why frozen potatoes with additives werent "real potatoes" in your opinion. Just because theyre not fresh made on site from raw potatoes doesnt make them "not real".
Well, potatoes are kind of like boobs.When a woman adds silicone to her boobs, they are no longer real. When a restaurant adds dimethylpolysiloxane and sodium acid pyrophosphate to its potatoes, they are no longer real.
 
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Only in the FFA will you see a bitter debate over french fries. :lmao:
Nobody said you said there were no potatoes in them. The question was what makes them not "real potatoes". I couldnt care less about the comparisons with other chains, or whether or not theyre good, I was wondering why frozen potatoes with additives werent "real potatoes" in your opinion. Just because theyre not fresh made on site from raw potatoes doesnt make them "not real".
Well, potatoes are kind of like boobs.When a woman adds silicone to her boobs, they are no longer real. When a restaurant adds sodium acid pyrophosphate and dimethylpolysiloxane to his potatoes, they are no longer real.
Who doesn't enjoy fake boobs? Rather fake boobs than soggy, flappy, decomposed boobs myself.
 
Only in the FFA will you see a bitter debate over french fries. :lmao:
Nobody said you said there were no potatoes in them. The question was what makes them not "real potatoes". I couldnt care less about the comparisons with other chains, or whether or not theyre good, I was wondering why frozen potatoes with additives werent "real potatoes" in your opinion. Just because theyre not fresh made on site from raw potatoes doesnt make them "not real".
Well, potatoes are kind of like boobs.When a woman adds silicone to her boobs, they are no longer real. When a restaurant adds sodium acid pyrophosphate and dimethylpolysiloxane to his potatoes, they are no longer real.
Who doesn't enjoy fake boobs? Rather fake boobs than soggy, flappy, decomposed boobs myself.
Yes, when it comes to boobs and potatoes, lusciousness and authenticity are separate issues.
 
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Wasn't the Mickey D's move to soak the fries in beef tallow for a period of time? Then when people realized how bad the things were for you they found a "healthier", chemically concocted way to mimic that taste?

I was sitting in a waiting room today and some lady brought her two 4ish year old kids with her and the kids were scarfing down fries and mcnuggets. They didn't finish all of it and after about 15 minutes the stench in the place became unbearable. One of the kids may have crapped his pants as well.

 
Only in the FFA will you see a bitter debate over french fries. :lmao:
Nobody said you said there were no potatoes in them. The question was what makes them not "real potatoes". I couldnt care less about the comparisons with other chains, or whether or not theyre good, I was wondering why frozen potatoes with additives werent "real potatoes" in your opinion. Just because theyre not fresh made on site from raw potatoes doesnt make them "not real".
Well, potatoes are kind of like boobs.When a woman adds silicone to her boobs, they are no longer real. When a restaurant adds dimethylpolysiloxane and sodium acid pyrophosphate to its potatoes, they are no longer real.
:lmao:If McDonalds pumped their fries full of stuff to make them bigger and more visually appealing, I'd agree with this, but this is closer to real boobs with sunblock on them. Its applied on the outside to preserve the boob and keep its natural look and feel, which is pretty much what the fry additives do to the fries.
 
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Wasn't the Mickey D's move to soak the fries in beef tallow for a period of time?
They fried them in beef tallow, which is how french fries are traditionally made. Now everyone uses vegetable oil because it's way cheaper, contains far less saturated fat, and won't be boycotted by vegetarians.
 
Usually when I eat something called "meat" there is actually no meat in it. Hence my confusion over these fake fries.

Not sure I've eaten any in a year either so the shtick about knowing what you are eating seems misplaced at best.

 
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In hindsight, I really should have remembered the audience and used "pure" or "simply". For that I apologize. I figured putting "real" in quotes would have those understand that I'm not talking about real/fake. Again, I apologize.

 
Wasn't the Mickey D's move to soak the fries in beef tallow for a period of time? Then when people realized how bad the things were for you they found a "healthier", chemically concocted way to mimic that taste?

I was sitting in a waiting room today and some lady brought her two 4ish year old kids with her and the kids were scarfing down fries and mcnuggets. They didn't finish all of it and after about 15 minutes the stench in the place became unbearable. One of the kids may have crapped his pants as well.
I just crapped mine. :lmao: :lmao:

 
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I agree that In-N-Out fries fade at an exponential rate the further removed they are from the oil. If you don't get them right out of the plunge they disappoint. That's why the secret is to order them well done because it guarantees that you get them right out of the plunge. You'll get a few that are too crispy but most will be piping hot and delicious. I asked earlier in this thread if 5 Guys allows special orders of fries well done, because that would definitely take them up a notch in my book, but I don't think I got an answer. Five Guys does use peanut oil in their fryers which may, or may not, be marginally better than vegetable oil (McDonalds, In-N-Out) it depends on how they store it and how often they change it (longer on both increases the likelihood of it being rancid).

McD's fries really are the best in the business but they kind of cheat by using all kinds of additives and preservatives.

 
Went to my local 5 Guys in Virginia Beach (Hilltop location) tonight. Walked in, no shouting, just a nice greeting. No Ghandi smell.

Got a Little Bacon Cheeseburger and an order of fries to go. No drink. Cost was $9.38. Obviously quite a bit more than a typical fast food meal.

About half of the fries were on the mushy side. I ate the good ones, didn't eat the mushy ones. On the subject of fries, IMO Chick-fil-A has the best fries.

The burger was awesome. Best burger in Virginia Beach IMO. (Though I have not yet tried the Boardwalk Burger.)

The cost was worth it. I might consider just going for the burger in the future and passing on the fries, though.

 
Only in the FFA will you see a bitter debate over french fries. :lmao:
Nobody said you said there were no potatoes in them. The question was what makes them not "real potatoes". I couldnt care less about the comparisons with other chains, or whether or not theyre good, I was wondering why frozen potatoes with additives werent "real potatoes" in your opinion. Just because theyre not fresh made on site from raw potatoes doesnt make them "not real".
Well, potatoes are kind of like boobs.When a woman adds silicone to her boobs, they are no longer real. When a restaurant adds dimethylpolysiloxane and sodium acid pyrophosphate to its potatoes, they are no longer real.
The boobs are still real, they simply contain additional ingredients.On ducks - If a duck stops behaving like a normal duck because we give him drugs, he's still genetically a duck right?
 
These have started to pop up around me in the last few years. Definitely a decent meal, but my proximity to Portillo's keeps me from going there more. Portillo's has better pricing and is definitely a better value. Plus, 5G have the worst hot dogs on the planet which pretty much made the kids hate them.

 
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Is Whataburger a national chain? I prefer Whataburger to both Five Guys and In-N-Out.
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No, it's not. And, I've only eaten there once (in El Paso), but found it to be comparable to Carl's Jr. I thought it was pretty much awful.
This is about the "wrongenest" thing I've ever heard. You either ate at some knock off, had a one in a million bad luck experience, or are completely full of ####. Whataburger is absolutely nothing like Carl's Jr.
You're right, actually. It was more like Burger King.ETA: It was awful.ETA2: It was the one on N. Mesa St.
Agreed. Had them once when passing through Texas. It wasn't very good.
 
Is Whataburger a national chain? I prefer Whataburger to both Five Guys and In-N-Out.
:thumbup:
No, it's not. And, I've only eaten there once (in El Paso), but found it to be comparable to Carl's Jr. I thought it was pretty much awful.
This is about the "wrongenest" thing I've ever heard. You either ate at some knock off, had a one in a million bad luck experience, or are completely full of ####. Whataburger is absolutely nothing like Carl's Jr.
You're right, actually. It was more like Burger King.ETA: It was awful.ETA2: It was the one on N. Mesa St.
Agreed. Had them once when passing through Texas. It wasn't very good.
Is that the place with the big ### buns? Was looking forward to trying them on a visit to Tulsa, and was so disappointed. Same with my first visit to Sonic. :X
 
In hindsight, I really should have remembered the audience and used "pure" or "simply". For that I apologize. I figured putting "real" in quotes would have those understand that I'm not talking about real/fake. Again, I apologize.
I love "pure" potatoes.
I prefer mine unmolested.
I like to think of them as "virgin potatoes".
A McD's billboard around here says "The Potato......Perfected" (picture of a potato under the former, pic of McD's fries under the latter).So, I guess other fries can simply be referred to as "Imperfect Potatoes"
 

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