Fleener in IND? (1 Viewer)

[az_prof]

How well do people like Fleener and where would you take him in a dynasty rookie draft? I see him as being a guy who could go near the end of the first, but I would rather take him in the early second round.

I like that he is with his college QB--that has to be a bonus. What I don't know is what kind of offense the new OC will run in IND. Does anyone have a sense of how the OC has run his offense in the past and how much he has involved the TE?

 

[cstu]

I think it's huge for Fleener. Rookie QB's love to lean on their TE anyway and now Luck has the guy he had great chemistry with in college. He could slip into the 2nd since teams drafting late usually have good TE's but he should be taken early.

 

[finito]

I take him late 1st, early 2nd.

 

[Max Power]

I think it's huge for Fleener. Rookie QB's love to lean on their TE anyway and now Luck has the guy he had great chemistry with in college. He could slip into the 2nd since teams drafting late usually have good TE's but he should be taken early.

agree. He should be productive from day 1. I don't think he slips to round 2 of rookie drafts though. Right now the end of RD1 is a mess. Unless a remaining RB lands somewhere sexy, Fleener should be a first round pick.

 

[identikit]

Colts will be behind a lot. They will throw a lot.

 

[moderated]

He'll go around 1.07-1.10 range.

He isn't dropping into 2nd round in rookie drafts unless the league doesn't require a TE

 

[krsone21]

He'll go around 1.07-1.10 range.He isn't dropping into 2nd round in rookie drafts unless the league doesn't require a TE

I hold the 1.10 in a rookie draft and I'm leaning towards Fleener, unless someone falls to me. So I also think he will be a late first round rookie pick.

 

[Max Power]

The more Miller drops, the more I think Fleener is a first rd pick. Add that to James going to SF, I'm not loving anyone after the top 7-8 guys.

 

[cstu]

Now what with the Colts taking Dwayne Allen?

 

[EBF]

Two totally different types of TE.

Fleener = linear speed, downfield threat, jump ball

Allen = h-back, short routes

They should complement each other well.

Bit chaotic for FF purposes though.

 

[Max Power]

Now what with the Colts taking Dwayne Allen?

Great, just after I think he's a clear cut first rounder. I don't think Allen hurts his value enough to drop him past the top 12-14 picks or so.

 

[Slapdash]

That is an interesting turn. FF value takes a hit.

 

[Max Power]

Bump Donald Brown?

 

[cstu]

Now what with the Colts taking Dwayne Allen?

Great, just after I think he's a clear cut first rounder. I don't think Allen hurts his value enough to drop him past the top 12-14 picks or so.

What a mess this draft is.

 

[CalBear]

I think it's huge for Fleener. Rookie QB's love to lean on their TE anyway and now Luck has the guy he had great chemistry with in college. He could slip into the 2nd since teams drafting late usually have good TE's but he should be taken early.

Rookie QBs do not lean on TEs, statistically; typically TEs do poorly with rookie QBs. That's logical, because TEs are less likely to be the #1 or #2 read, and rookie QBs are less likely to get to their later reads.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

dont the colts need defense, well I guess they need everything but 2 straight TE picks?

 

[The Captain]

It's the Gronk/Hernandez syndrome.

With a little Luck it could work.

 

[KellysHeroes]

dont the colts need defense, well I guess they need everything but 2 straight TE picks?

I guess they went BPA,

 

[RobertBobson]

I love it. Luck ran a two TE set in Stanford, and it looks like they intend to bring that system to indy. I think it's very forward thinking, and shows that indy wants to be ahead of the curve.

 

[backno]

Also remember the Colts line wasn't the best. 2 TE formations help with both pass and run blocking by chipping and double teaming defenders.

 

[Raider Nation]

I love it. Luck ran a two TE set in Stanford, and it looks like they intend to bring that system to indy. I think it's very forward thinking, and shows that indy wants to be ahead of the curve.

Safety blankets + added protection + safe throws. Great recipe to get the kid's feet wet without overwhelming him.

 

[az_prof]

Two totally different types of TE.Fleener = linear speed, downfield threat, jump ballAllen = h-back, short routesThey should complement each other well. Bit chaotic for FF purposes though.

Sadly, but i think this shoots down the fantasy value of both guys. I don't get the impression that these guys are Gronk/Hernandez type of quality, so two of them on the same team doesn't seem good.

 

[johnadams]

I think it's huge for Fleener. Rookie QB's love to lean on their TE anyway and now Luck has the guy he had great chemistry with in college. He could slip into the 2nd since teams drafting late usually have good TE's but he should be taken early.

Rookie QBs do not lean on TEs, statistically; typically TEs do poorly with rookie QBs. That's logical, because TEs are less likely to be the #1 or #2 read, and rookie QBs are less likely to get to their later reads.

One of the biggest myths is that rookie or even first year starters lean on their TEs.

 

[RobertBobson]

I think it's huge for Fleener. Rookie QB's love to lean on their TE anyway and now Luck has the guy he had great chemistry with in college. He could slip into the 2nd since teams drafting late usually have good TE's but he should be taken early.

Rookie QBs do not lean on TEs, statistically; typically TEs do poorly with rookie QBs. That's logical, because TEs are less likely to be the #1 or #2 read, and rookie QBs are less likely to get to their later reads.

One of the biggest myths is that rookie or even first year starters lean on their TEs.

Yes, that's true..but THIS rookie qb is very likely to lean on them, since he's coming from a 2 TE system, and already has chemistry with Fleener.

 

[lbouchard]

Man I love the Allen pick. Fleener isn't a good blocker, so now he'll be flexed out almost all the time. Already has chemistry with Luck.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Man I love the Allen pick. Fleener isn't a good blocker, so now he'll be flexed out almost all the time. Already has chemistry with Luck.

Allen can't block either.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Now what with the Colts taking Dwayne Allen?

Great, just after I think he's a clear cut first rounder. I don't think Allen hurts his value enough to drop him past the top 12-14 picks or so.

What a mess this draft is.

I was in love with Gronkowski after he was drafted. I was holding the 1.10 and was absolutely locked on him. Then they drafted Hernandez. I talked myself out of it and drafted Golden Tate. I'm just sayin'.

 

[az_prof]

Now what with the Colts taking Dwayne Allen?

Great, just after I think he's a clear cut first rounder. I don't think Allen hurts his value enough to drop him past the top 12-14 picks or so.

What a mess this draft is.

I was in love with Gronkowski after he was drafted. I was holding the 1.10 and was absolutely locked on him. Then they drafted Hernandez. I talked myself out of it and drafted Golden Tate. I'm just sayin'.

But is Fleener as good as Gronk? I don't get the impression he is in the same class.

 

[Crazy Tony]

In my lead (Details in Signature) we don't draft TE's that early or often.

I've been the most aggressive the last two years.

I took Hernandez early in the 2nd RD #8 pick in our 10 team league. (then Eric Decker 2.9).

Last season I drafted Lance Kendricks 3.05 (#35 overall) and took a roll of the dice on Julius THomas in the 4th 4.2 #35 overall.

I took Kendricks because I have Bradford.

I argued that Hernandez was the SPLIT WIDE GUY in NE and GRONK was a blocker. GRONK is obviously versatile and possibly just as athletic.

I will Draft LUCK #1.02 and I'll be looking at picking up FLEENER. I can only play 2 TE max. Most sets are best with 1 TE in our starting line up. I have GATES/HERNANDEZ/KENDRICKS/JUTHOMAS Do I need another one? NO. Do I want to miss out on the potential pass/catch fest that could go on in INDY? No. I don't own Reggie Wayne. Who else are they going to pass to?

Any time you have two players sharing catches...unless it can be proven that they'll be given lots of targets and opportunities on OFF....it's probably going to drop their value. NE totally passes both guys given excellent opportunity to produce.

 

[Tanner9919]

Bump Donald Brown?

Yes..you get the feeling the Colts are going to be a lot better than people think..Arians has a good track record with RB's , they let Addai go and haven't replaced him by drafting a rb yet..Brown was a good rb on a very bad team last year,and managed a respectable 4.8 ypc avg..I'm not saying he is the next ADP but I do think he has a lot of value this year..this two TE thing can only help the running game...

 

[KellysHeroes]

these 2 TEs bump Luck a lot for me, They Kept Wayne, drafted to of the best TEs in the draft and got him a deep threat... now can they protect him?

 

[BeTheMatch]

Now what with the Colts taking Dwayne Allen?

Great, just after I think he's a clear cut first rounder. I don't think Allen hurts his value enough to drop him past the top 12-14 picks or so.

What a mess this draft is.

I was in love with Gronkowski after he was drafted. I was holding the 1.10 and was absolutely locked on him. Then they drafted Hernandez. I talked myself out of it and drafted Golden Tate. I'm just sayin'.

But is Fleener as good as Gronk? I don't get the impression he is in the same class.

No, I don't think he is either. I'm just saying, if you like Fleener, don't let Allen scare you away.

 

[lbouchard]

Man I love the Allen pick. Fleener isn't a good blocker, so now he'll be flexed out almost all the time. Already has chemistry with Luck.

Allen can't block either.

That's his main strength....

 

[lbouchard]

Also, to all those who are saying that Fleener isn't in Gronk's class, did we know that Gronk was in Gronk's class right after the draft?

 

[comfortably numb]

Now what with the Colts taking Dwayne Allen?

Great, just after I think he's a clear cut first rounder. I don't think Allen hurts his value enough to drop him past the top 12-14 picks or so.

What a mess this draft is.

I was in love with Gronkowski after he was drafted. I was holding the 1.10 and was absolutely locked on him. Then they drafted Hernandez. I talked myself out of it and drafted Golden Tate. I'm just sayin'.

OUCHThat is an awesome lesson to learnWe often let situation dictate pick too much imo

 

[jurb26]

Also, to all those who are saying that Fleener isn't in Gronk's class, did we know that Gronk was in Gronk's class right after the draft?

No, there was nobody who thoguht Gronk would be the player he is now. It's pretty revisionist to say things like that.Now, the odds that Fleener turns out to be the player Gronk is are pretty slim. That has nothing to do with the original question however. Gronk is perhaps the best TE (receiving) in the NFL. That's a high bar to set.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Man I love the Allen pick. Fleener isn't a good blocker, so now he'll be flexed out almost all the time. Already has chemistry with Luck.

Allen can't block either.

That's his main strength....

I haven't heard any scout/draft expert say that, and I've heard plenty of them talk about Allen. To my knowledge, I don't think Allen or Fleener is seen as an in-line blocking guy.

 

[golfguy]

Man I love the Allen pick. Fleener isn't a good blocker, so now he'll be flexed out almost all the time. Already has chemistry with Luck.

Allen can't block either.

That's his main strength....

I haven't heard any scout/draft expert say that, and I've heard plenty of them talk about Allen. To my knowledge, I don't think Allen or Fleener is seen as an in-line blocking guy.

casserly thinks the allen is the most complete TE in the draft. he said fleener is the fast runner, but allen is a complete TE who can block and catch.sounds a little like gronk and hernadez to me.

 

[cstu]

Man I love the Allen pick. Fleener isn't a good blocker, so now he'll be flexed out almost all the time. Already has chemistry with Luck.

Allen can't block either.

That's his main strength....

I haven't heard any scout/draft expert say that, and I've heard plenty of them talk about Allen. To my knowledge, I don't think Allen or Fleener is seen as an in-line blocking guy.

casserly thinks the allen is the most complete TE in the draft. he said fleener is the fast runner, but allen is a complete TE who can block and catch.sounds a little like gronk and hernadez to me.

Allen is both smaller (255 to 265) and slower (4.89 to 4.65) than Gronkowski. He's a good, solid TE but I don't see the Gronk comparison at all.

 

[cstu]

I don't know where this bad blocking rep is coming from. Here's Waldman on Allen's 'blocking clinic' he put on.

 

[Christo]

Now what with the Colts taking Dwayne Allen?

Great, just after I think he's a clear cut first rounder. I don't think Allen hurts his value enough to drop him past the top 12-14 picks or so.

What a mess this draft is.

I was in love with Gronkowski after he was drafted. I was holding the 1.10 and was absolutely locked on him. Then they drafted Hernandez. I talked myself out of it and drafted Golden Tate. I'm just sayin'.

OUCHThat is an awesome lesson to learnWe often let situation dictate pick too much imo

Yep. I'll never understand the arguments that go on in the threads like the ones currently going on about Blackmon and how going to Jax hurts him. Rookie drafts are about talent. If you thought that Floyd was the more talented player to begin with, fine. But it's silly to adjust a rookie's ranking because of who drafts him. If he falls farther than most were predicting (e.g., Randle), that's when to to take notice.