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[Christo]

And fwiw, I've been one of the biggest doubters of Trayvon and supporters of Zimmerman in this thread. I just think that apology was a sh#### thing to do. If it served a purpose to help Zimmerman, then I think his attorney is a tool. It was unnecessary. This case shouldn't be that difficult.

The lawyer was never going to let Zimmerman say he was sorry for what he did. Never. Everyone would take it as him admitting he did something wrong. Anyone who thought he would apologize for his actions is a fool. I'm sure Zimmerman wanted to say something. So this is how they decided to phrase it. There is nothing wrong with Zimmerman saying he is sorry for their loss. Anyone who is mad about that is just looking for a reason to stay mad.

Of course. And that isn't the issue here or elsewhere. The issue is "late teens" turned into unknown but a little younger than 28 during the so called apology. No one expected the apology to be anything more than sorrow for a terrible loss to his parents. But many were surprised the platform was used to contradict the phone call.

If it's night and you see someone at a distance you may form a belief about that person's age. But once you see that person up close and he turns out to be several inches taller than you and he breaks your nose, knocks you to the ground, jumps on top of you and bashes the back of your head into the ground your belief might change. Anyone who can't see that is looking for something to stay mad about.And if a court of law isn't the place to clarify what your belief about the victim's age, where is?

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[identikit]

And fwiw, I've been one of the biggest doubters of Trayvon and supporters of Zimmerman in this thread. I just think that apology was a sh#### thing to do. If it served a purpose to help Zimmerman, then I think his attorney is a tool. It was unnecessary. This case shouldn't be that difficult.

The lawyer was never going to let Zimmerman say he was sorry for what he did. Never. Everyone would take it as him admitting he did something wrong. Anyone who thought he would apologize for his actions is a fool. I'm sure Zimmerman wanted to say something. So this is how they decided to phrase it. There is nothing wrong with Zimmerman saying he is sorry for their loss. Anyone who is mad about that is just looking for a reason to stay mad.

Of course. And that isn't the issue here or elsewhere. The issue is "late teens" turned into unknown but a little younger than 28 during the so called apology. No one expected the apology to be anything more than sorrow for a terrible loss to his parents. But many were surprised the platform was used to contradict the phone call.

If it's night and you see someone at a distance you may form a belief about that person's age. But once you see that person up close and he turns out to be several inches taller than you and he breaks your nose, knocks you to the ground, jumps on top of you and bashes the back of your head into the ground your belief might change. Anyone who can't see that is looking for something to stay mad about.And if a court of law isn't the place to clarify what your belief about the victim's age, where is?

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[Chaos Commish]

And fwiw, I've been one of the biggest doubters of Trayvon and supporters of Zimmerman in this thread. I just think that apology was a sh#### thing to do. If it served a purpose to help Zimmerman, then I think his attorney is a tool. It was unnecessary. This case shouldn't be that difficult.

The lawyer was never going to let Zimmerman say he was sorry for what he did. Never. Everyone would take it as him admitting he did something wrong. Anyone who thought he would apologize for his actions is a fool. I'm sure Zimmerman wanted to say something. So this is how they decided to phrase it. There is nothing wrong with Zimmerman saying he is sorry for their loss. Anyone who is mad about that is just looking for a reason to stay mad.

Of course. And that isn't the issue here or elsewhere. The issue is "late teens" turned into unknown but a little younger than 28 during the so called apology. No one expected the apology to be anything more than sorrow for a terrible loss to his parents. But many were surprised the platform was used to contradict the phone call.

If it's night and you see someone at a distance you may form a belief about that person's age. But once you see that person up close and he turns out to be several inches taller than you and he breaks your nose, knocks you to the ground, jumps on top of you and bashes the back of your head into the ground your belief might change. Anyone who can't see that is looking for something to stay mad about.

Like I said, if I was Tracy Martin, right there in court I would have called him a liar and asked him to please shut the ____ up. Was it necessary to introduce the changing story here? Would this have more impact than at the SYG hearing. Hell, I think you're wrong and the attorney was surprised George did that. I don't think they were nearly as prepared/rehearsed as you think they were. I think George desperately wanted to answer her questions, he explained it to O'Mara, O'Mara advised against it and got overruled (he practically admitted as much), and George made some junk up that sounded good or perhaps even true to him. Buncha baloney believing that screw up was planned, Christo.

 

[Christo]

And fwiw, I've been one of the biggest doubters of Trayvon and supporters of Zimmerman in this thread. I just think that apology was a sh#### thing to do. If it served a purpose to help Zimmerman, then I think his attorney is a tool. It was unnecessary. This case shouldn't be that difficult.

The lawyer was never going to let Zimmerman say he was sorry for what he did. Never. Everyone would take it as him admitting he did something wrong. Anyone who thought he would apologize for his actions is a fool. I'm sure Zimmerman wanted to say something. So this is how they decided to phrase it. There is nothing wrong with Zimmerman saying he is sorry for their loss. Anyone who is mad about that is just looking for a reason to stay mad.

Of course. And that isn't the issue here or elsewhere. The issue is "late teens" turned into unknown but a little younger than 28 during the so called apology. No one expected the apology to be anything more than sorrow for a terrible loss to his parents. But many were surprised the platform was used to contradict the phone call.

If it's night and you see someone at a distance you may form a belief about that person's age. But once you see that person up close and he turns out to be several inches taller than you and he breaks your nose, knocks you to the ground, jumps on top of you and bashes the back of your head into the ground your belief might change. Anyone who can't see that is looking for something to stay mad about.

Like I said, if I was Tracy Martin, right there in court I would have called him a liar and asked him to please shut the ____ up. Was it necessary to introduce the changing story here? Would this have more impact than at the SYG hearing. Hell, I think you're wrong and the attorney was surprised George did that. I don't think they were nearly as prepared/rehearsed as you think they were. I think George desperately wanted to answer her questions, he explained it to O'Mara, O'Mara advised against it and got overruled (he practically admitted as much), and George made some junk up that sounded good or perhaps even true to him. Buncha baloney believing that screw up was planned, Christo.

 

[TexanFan02]

And fwiw, I've been one of the biggest doubters of Trayvon and supporters of Zimmerman in this thread. I just think that apology was a sh#### thing to do. If it served a purpose to help Zimmerman, then I think his attorney is a tool. It was unnecessary. This case shouldn't be that difficult.

The lawyer was never going to let Zimmerman say he was sorry for what he did. Never. Everyone would take it as him admitting he did something wrong. Anyone who thought he would apologize for his actions is a fool. I'm sure Zimmerman wanted to say something. So this is how they decided to phrase it. There is nothing wrong with Zimmerman saying he is sorry for their loss. Anyone who is mad about that is just looking for a reason to stay mad.

Of course. And that isn't the issue here or elsewhere. The issue is "late teens" turned into unknown but a little younger than 28 during the so called apology. No one expected the apology to be anything more than sorrow for a terrible loss to his parents. But many were surprised the platform was used to contradict the phone call.

If it's night and you see someone at a distance you may form a belief about that person's age. But once you see that person up close and he turns out to be several inches taller than you and he breaks your nose, knocks you to the ground, jumps on top of you and bashes the back of your head into the ground your belief might change. Anyone who can't see that is looking for something to stay mad about.And if a court of law isn't the place to clarify what your belief about the victim's age, where is?

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[Otis]

And fwiw, I've been one of the biggest doubters of Trayvon and supporters of Zimmerman in this thread. I just think that apology was a sh#### thing to do. If it served a purpose to help Zimmerman, then I think his attorney is a tool. It was unnecessary. This case shouldn't be that difficult.

The lawyer was never going to let Zimmerman say he was sorry for what he did. Never. Everyone would take it as him admitting he did something wrong. Anyone who thought he would apologize for his actions is a fool. I'm sure Zimmerman wanted to say something. So this is how they decided to phrase it. There is nothing wrong with Zimmerman saying he is sorry for their loss. Anyone who is mad about that is just looking for a reason to stay mad.

Exactly.

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[Otis]

And fwiw, I've been one of the biggest doubters of Trayvon and supporters of Zimmerman in this thread. I just think that apology was a sh#### thing to do. If it served a purpose to help Zimmerman, then I think his attorney is a tool. It was unnecessary. This case shouldn't be that difficult.

The lawyer was never going to let Zimmerman say he was sorry for what he did. Never. Everyone would take it as him admitting he did something wrong. Anyone who thought he would apologize for his actions is a fool. I'm sure Zimmerman wanted to say something. So this is how they decided to phrase it. There is nothing wrong with Zimmerman saying he is sorry for their loss. Anyone who is mad about that is just looking for a reason to stay mad.

Of course. And that isn't the issue here or elsewhere. The issue is "late teens" turned into unknown but a little younger than 28 during the so called apology. No one expected the apology to be anything more than sorrow for a terrible loss to his parents. But many were surprised the platform was used to contradict the phone call.

If it's night and you see someone at a distance you may form a belief about that person's age. But once you see that person up close and he turns out to be several inches taller than you and he breaks your nose, knocks you to the ground, jumps on top of you and bashes the back of your head into the ground your belief might change. Anyone who can't see that is looking for something to stay mad about.

Like I said, if I was Tracy Martin, right there in court I would have called him a liar and asked him to please shut the ____ up. Was it necessary to introduce the changing story here? Would this have more impact than at the SYG hearing. Hell, I think you're wrong and the attorney was surprised George did that. I don't think they were nearly as prepared/rehearsed as you think they were. I think George desperately wanted to answer her questions, he explained it to O'Mara, O'Mara advised against it and got overruled (he practically admitted as much), and George made some junk up that sounded good or perhaps even true to him. Buncha baloney believing that screw up was planned, Christo.

I still have no idea what "introduce the changing story" means.

 

[Chaos Commish]

What's funny is the only thing the prosecution was allowed to question Zimmerman about was his statement. So they went all goofy on the apology. Did you apologize before? Why did you wait so long? Bla bla bla. Why didn't they nail Zimmerman on contradicting the information (your changing story Otis) in the phone call. If they could ask about other apologies they could surely ask if he always thought he was older than late teens, right?

 

[Chaos Commish]

I still have no idea what "introduce the changing story" means.

That's your fault. Christo and most reading this know exactly what it means.Here, Otis.

 

[timschochet]

Mistake or not, it doesn't really matter, does it?

Assuming the trial happens (and I think it will), in about a year from now George Zimmerman is going to testify on the witness stand. When he is done giving his story, the prosecution will have the chance to cross-examine him.

Everything that happens before that cross-examination is basically noise. That cross-examination will determine his fate.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Mistake or not, it doesn't really matter, does it? Assuming the trial happens (and I think it will), in about a year from now George Zimmerman is going to testify on the witness stand. When he is done giving his story, the prosecution will have the chance to cross-examine him. Everything that happens before that cross-examination is basically noise. That cross-examination will determine his fate.

Definitely meaningless. I felt bad for the parents. I'd hate to be them during that garbage. I think O'Mara might get this dismissed next month. The affidavit was a joke and then the bozo defending it was even worse.

 

[timschochet]

Mistake or not, it doesn't really matter, does it? Assuming the trial happens (and I think it will), in about a year from now George Zimmerman is going to testify on the witness stand. When he is done giving his story, the prosecution will have the chance to cross-examine him. Everything that happens before that cross-examination is basically noise. That cross-examination will determine his fate.

Definitely meaningless. I felt bad for the parents. I'd hate to be them during that garbage. I think O'Mara might get this dismissed next month. The affidavit was a joke and then the bozo defending it was even worse.

I really doubt it will be dismissed at this point without a trial.

 

[TexanFan02]

Mistake or not, it doesn't really matter, does it?

Assuming the trial happens (and I think it will), in about a year from now George Zimmerman is going to testify on the witness stand. When he is done giving his story, the prosecution will have the chance to cross-examine him.

Everything that happens before that cross-examination is basically noise. That cross-examination will determine his fate.

Definitely meaningless. I felt bad for the parents. I'd hate to be them during that garbage. I think O'Mara might get this dismissed next month. The affidavit was a joke and then the bozo defending it was even worse.

Meh. O'Mara was smart, he cross examined on the affidavit, then when the Prosecutor tried to question on other evidence he objected and the Judge let him. Doesn't mean there isn't more evidence.

 

[jon_mx]

He didn't deserve to die.

Nope he didn't. But that does not justify the lynching of Zimmerman, and you know in your mind you are not being fair to him. You want a pound of flesh for what he did and you are willing to bend your logic to get it done.

 

[TexanFan02]

He didn't deserve to die.

Nope he didn't. But that does not justify the lynching of Zimmerman, and you know in your mind you are not being fair to him. You want a pound of flesh for what he did and you are willing to bend your logic to get it done.

Pretty sure Zimmerman hasn't been lynched. He's on trial now, which he should be.

 

[Otis]

I still have no idea what "introduce the changing story" means.

That's your fault. Christo and most reading this know exactly what it means.Here, Otis.

Ah yes. The latest offerings from dissentingjustice.blogspot.com and dailykos.com. How could I not have spotted this before.

 

[Otis]

So when he spotted him at night from a distance he thought he was one age and then when standing right next to him, or rather under him getting pummeled, he thought he looked older.

Where's the obvious lie here again? You're ridiculous. If the comments on the stand were rehearsed (duh) they didn't intentionally lie.

Passing the baton to Christo. I haven't the patience. I'll fight to the death in a thread about hot skinny chicks, but at least there is a payoff there.

 

[TexanFan02]

So when he spotted him at night from a distance he thought he was one age and then when standing right next to him, or rather under him getting pummeled, he thought he looked older.

Where's the obvious lie here again? You're ridiculous. If the comments on the stand were rehearsed (duh) they didn't intentionally lie.

Passing the baton to Christo. I haven't the patience. I'll fight to the death in a thread about hot skinny chicks, but at least there is a payoff there.

Which turned out to be the age he was. Then he lied on the witness stand and said he thought he was much older. And that he "didn't know if he had a weapon". Apparently that's enough to get killed these days, especially if you're a black teen.

 

[Otis]

So when he spotted him at night from a distance he thought he was one age and then when standing right next to him, or rather under him getting pummeled, he thought he looked older.

Where's the obvious lie here again? You're ridiculous. If the comments on the stand were rehearsed (duh) they didn't intentionally lie.

Passing the baton to Christo. I haven't the patience. I'll fight to the death in a thread about hot skinny chicks, but at least there is a payoff there.

Which turned out to be the age he was. Then he lied on the witness stand and said he thought he was much older. And that he "didn't know if he had a weapon". Apparently that's enough to get killed these days, especially if you're a black teen.

I still don't see the lie. He today said that when this all went down he thought the kid was older.

 

[ATC1]

What's funny is the only thing the prosecution was allowed to question Zimmerman about was his statement. So they went all goofy on the apology. Did you apologize before? Why did you wait so long? Bla bla bla. Why didn't they nail Zimmerman on contradicting the information (your changing story Otis) in the phone call. If they could ask about other apologies they could surely ask if he always thought he was older than late teens, right?

I think it is rehersed, but not a lie. As I have said before I think part of the evidence of inconsistency in Zimmerman's statements is to the age of Martin in his statements vs the call to police. Allowing Zimmerman to restate what he said after the shooting without the prosecution being able to call him out on it while on the stand was genius. It's either that or Zimmerman went completely against his lawyer's wishes at which point there is no way I think his attorney would represent him anymore.

 

[TexanFan02]

What's funny is the only thing the prosecution was allowed to question Zimmerman about was his statement. So they went all goofy on the apology. Did you apologize before? Why did you wait so long? Bla bla bla. Why didn't they nail Zimmerman on contradicting the information (your changing story Otis) in the phone call. If they could ask about other apologies they could surely ask if he always thought he was older than late teens, right?

I think it is rehersed, but not a lie. As I have said before I think part of the evidence of inconsistency in Zimmerman's statements is to the age of Martin in his statements vs the call to police. Allowing Zimmerman to restate what he said after the shooting without the prosecution being able to call him out on it while on the stand was genius. It's either that or Zimmerman went completely against his lawyer's wishes at which point there is no way I think his attorney would represent him anymore.

It was a well rehearsed lie, intended to bolster the Zimmerman supporters, which it has. Nothing to see here.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I still have no idea what "introduce the changing story" means.

That's your fault. Christo and most reading this know exactly what it means.Here, Otis.

Ah yes. The latest offerings from dissentingjustice.blogspot.com and dailykos.com. How could I not have spotted this before.

There's over a million hits on that search. Which is sort of the point. The lie/error/controversial story change went viral.It was explained clearly by me from one pov and clearly by Christo from another. Do you understand the changing story yet?

 

[Christo]

I still have no idea what "introduce the changing story" means.

That's your fault. Christo and most reading this know exactly what it means.Here, Otis.

Ah yes. The latest offerings from dissentingjustice.blogspot.com and dailykos.com. How could I not have spotted this before.

There's over a million hits on that search. Which is sort of the point. The lie/error/controversial story change went viral.It was explained clearly by me from one pov and clearly by Christo from another. Do you understand the changing story yet?

You don't know that he's changing his story. At least you'd know that if you actually read what I wrote.

 

[Christo]

What's funny is the only thing the prosecution was allowed to question Zimmerman about was his statement. So they went all goofy on the apology. Did you apologize before? Why did you wait so long? Bla bla bla. Why didn't they nail Zimmerman on contradicting the information (your changing story Otis) in the phone call. If they could ask about other apologies they could surely ask if he always thought he was older than late teens, right?

I think it is rehersed, but not a lie. As I have said before I think part of the evidence of inconsistency in Zimmerman's statements is to the age of Martin in his statements vs the call to police. Allowing Zimmerman to restate what he said after the shooting without the prosecution being able to call him out on it while on the stand was genius. It's either that or Zimmerman went completely against his lawyer's wishes at which point there is no way I think his attorney would represent him anymore.

It was a well rehearsed lie, intended to bolster the Zimmerman supporters, which it has. Nothing to see here.

You are full of ####. No attorney is going to let him get on the stand and lie.

 

[TexanFan02]

What's funny is the only thing the prosecution was allowed to question Zimmerman about was his statement. So they went all goofy on the apology. Did you apologize before? Why did you wait so long? Bla bla bla. Why didn't they nail Zimmerman on contradicting the information (your changing story Otis) in the phone call. If they could ask about other apologies they could surely ask if he always thought he was older than late teens, right?

I think it is rehersed, but not a lie. As I have said before I think part of the evidence of inconsistency in Zimmerman's statements is to the age of Martin in his statements vs the call to police. Allowing Zimmerman to restate what he said after the shooting without the prosecution being able to call him out on it while on the stand was genius. It's either that or Zimmerman went completely against his lawyer's wishes at which point there is no way I think his attorney would represent him anymore.

It was a well rehearsed lie, intended to bolster the Zimmerman supporters, which it has. Nothing to see here.

You are full of ####. No attorney is going to let him get on the stand and lie.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

And fwiw, I've been one of the biggest doubters of Trayvon and supporters of Zimmerman in this thread. I just think that apology was a sh#### thing to do. If it served a purpose to help Zimmerman, then I think his attorney is a tool. It was unnecessary. This case shouldn't be that difficult.

The lawyer was never going to let Zimmerman say he was sorry for what he did. Never. Everyone would take it as him admitting he did something wrong. Anyone who thought he would apologize for his actions is a fool. I'm sure Zimmerman wanted to say something. So this is how they decided to phrase it. There is nothing wrong with Zimmerman saying he is sorry for their loss. Anyone who is mad about that is just looking for a reason to stay mad.

Of course. And that isn't the issue here or elsewhere. The issue is "late teens" turned into unknown but a little younger than 28 during the so called apology. No one expected the apology to be anything more than sorrow for a terrible loss to his parents. But many were surprised the platform was used to contradict the phone call.

If it's night and you see someone at a distance you may form a belief about that person's age. But once you see that person up close and he turns out to be several inches taller than you and he breaks your nose, knocks you to the ground, jumps on top of you and bashes the back of your head into the ground your belief might change. Anyone who can't see that is looking for something to stay mad about.And if a court of law isn't the place to clarify what your belief about the victim's age, where is?

Link?

Everyone else accepts these things to be true.. Everyone but you.. There have been pictures of the blood, and the broken nose was mentioned in the bail hearing, and records from the doctor proving it..There may be 3 people total in this thread that would contest it, and you're one of them..

So, what was it? That was ketchup on the back of his head, and he gave himself the broken nose? Or maybe he paid a buddy to do it?

You're trolling.. You've got to be..

 

[Chaos Commish]

I still have no idea what "introduce the changing story" means.

That's your fault. Christo and most reading this know exactly what it means.Here, Otis.

Ah yes. The latest offerings from dissentingjustice.blogspot.com and dailykos.com. How could I not have spotted this before.

There's over a million hits on that search. Which is sort of the point. The lie/error/controversial story change went viral.It was explained clearly by me from one pov and clearly by Christo from another. Do you understand the changing story yet?

You don't know that he's changing his story. At least you'd know that if you actually read what I wrote.

I read what you wrote and told you it was baloney which made you laugh. Keep up, punk. How's this? The known story changed from George being spot on about his age to thinking he was much older. Another question for you. It appeared the prosecution was limited to questioning Zimmerman about his current remarks on the stand. Why would they not touch the age thing? It would have made for much better theater than this thread.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Mistake or not, it doesn't really matter, does it?

Assuming the trial happens (and I think it will), in about a year from now George Zimmerman is going to testify on the witness stand. When he is done giving his story, the prosecution will have the chance to cross-examine him.

Everything that happens before that cross-examination is basically noise. That cross-examination will determine his fate.

Definitely meaningless. I felt bad for the parents. I'd hate to be them during that garbage. I think O'Mara might get this dismissed next month. The affidavit was a joke and then the bozo defending it was even worse.

Meh. O'Mara was smart, he cross examined on the affidavit, then when the Prosecutor tried to question on other evidence he objected and the Judge let him. Doesn't mean there isn't more evidence.

O'Mara specifically asked if there was any evidence to prove a few of the prosecutions assertions, and the answer was no..

 

[Chaos Commish]

 

[Carolina Hustler]

He didn't deserve to die.

Nope he didn't. But that does not justify the lynching of Zimmerman, and you know in your mind you are not being fair to him. You want a pound of flesh for what he did and you are willing to bend your logic to get it done.

Pretty sure Zimmerman hasn't been lynched. He's on trial now, which he should be.

Actually, he's not on trial yet, the case is on trial at the moment.. This may not get much further..

 

[Christo]

I still have no idea what "introduce the changing story" means.

That's your fault. Christo and most reading this know exactly what it means.Here, Otis.

Ah yes. The latest offerings from dissentingjustice.blogspot.com and dailykos.com. How could I not have spotted this before.

There's over a million hits on that search. Which is sort of the point. The lie/error/controversial story change went viral.It was explained clearly by me from one pov and clearly by Christo from another. Do you understand the changing story yet?

You don't know that he's changing his story. At least you'd know that if you actually read what I wrote.

I read what you wrote and told you it was baloney which made you laugh. Keep up, punk. How's this? The known story changed from George being spot on about his age to thinking he was much older. Another question for you. It appeared the prosecution was limited to questioning Zimmerman about his current remarks on the stand. Why would they not touch the age thing? It would have made for much better theater than this thread.

The known story is irrelevant. This is what happens when people don't know the whole story. They call people liars because they want them to be liars not because they know they are liars. One of two reasons the prosecution didn't cross him on the issue: (1) they weren't prepared or (2) they know he wasn't lying.

 

[TexanFan02]

I still have no idea what "introduce the changing story" means.

That's your fault. Christo and most reading this know exactly what it means.Here, Otis.

Ah yes. The latest offerings from dissentingjustice.blogspot.com and dailykos.com. How could I not have spotted this before.

There's over a million hits on that search. Which is sort of the point. The lie/error/controversial story change went viral.It was explained clearly by me from one pov and clearly by Christo from another. Do you understand the changing story yet?

You don't know that he's changing his story. At least you'd know that if you actually read what I wrote.

I read what you wrote and told you it was baloney which made you laugh. Keep up, punk. How's this? The known story changed from George being spot on about his age to thinking he was much older. Another question for you. It appeared the prosecution was limited to questioning Zimmerman about his current remarks on the stand. Why would they not touch the age thing? It would have made for much better theater than this thread.

The known story is irrelevant. This is what happens when people don't know the whole story. They call people liars because they want them to be liars not because they know they are liars. One of two reasons the prosecution didn't cross him on the issue: (1) they weren't prepared or (2) they know he wasn't lying.

3. The judge wouldn't let them bring in evidence that wasn't on the charging affidavit. Because it was just a bond hearing.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

No attorney is going to let him get on the stand and lie.

None?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I still have no idea what "introduce the changing story" means.

That's your fault. Christo and most reading this know exactly what it means.Here, Otis.

Ah yes. The latest offerings from dissentingjustice.blogspot.com and dailykos.com. How could I not have spotted this before.

There's over a million hits on that search. Which is sort of the point. The lie/error/controversial story change went viral.It was explained clearly by me from one pov and clearly by Christo from another. Do you understand the changing story yet?

You don't know that he's changing his story. At least you'd know that if you actually read what I wrote.

I read what you wrote and told you it was baloney which made you laugh. Keep up, punk. How's this? The known story changed from George being spot on about his age to thinking he was much older. Another question for you. It appeared the prosecution was limited to questioning Zimmerman about his current remarks on the stand. Why would they not touch the age thing? It would have made for much better theater than this thread.

Maybe they already heard what Christo is trying to tell you in one of their many interviews after the incident..

 

[TexanFan02]

No attorney is going to let him get on the stand and lie.

None?

Well, Zimmerman's a nutjob, so it's not technically a lie if he really believes it in whatever scenario he's created in his mind.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I still have no idea what "introduce the changing story" means.

That's your fault. Christo and most reading this know exactly what it means.Here, Otis.

Ah yes. The latest offerings from dissentingjustice.blogspot.com and dailykos.com. How could I not have spotted this before.

There's over a million hits on that search. Which is sort of the point. The lie/error/controversial story change went viral.It was explained clearly by me from one pov and clearly by Christo from another. Do you understand the changing story yet?

You don't know that he's changing his story. At least you'd know that if you actually read what I wrote.

I read what you wrote and told you it was baloney which made you laugh. Keep up, punk. How's this? The known story changed from George being spot on about his age to thinking he was much older. Another question for you. It appeared the prosecution was limited to questioning Zimmerman about his current remarks on the stand. Why would they not touch the age thing? It would have made for much better theater than this thread.

The known story is irrelevant. This is what happens when people don't know the whole story. They call people liars because they want them to be liars not because they know they are liars. One of two reasons the prosecution didn't cross him on the issue: (1) they weren't prepared or (2) they know he wasn't lying.

Thanks.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I still have no idea what "introduce the changing story" means.

That's your fault. Christo and most reading this know exactly what it means.Here, Otis.

Ah yes. The latest offerings from dissentingjustice.blogspot.com and dailykos.com. How could I not have spotted this before.

There's over a million hits on that search. Which is sort of the point. The lie/error/controversial story change went viral.It was explained clearly by me from one pov and clearly by Christo from another. Do you understand the changing story yet?

You don't know that he's changing his story. At least you'd know that if you actually read what I wrote.

I read what you wrote and told you it was baloney which made you laugh. Keep up, punk. How's this? The known story changed from George being spot on about his age to thinking he was much older. Another question for you. It appeared the prosecution was limited to questioning Zimmerman about his current remarks on the stand. Why would they not touch the age thing? It would have made for much better theater than this thread.

Maybe they already heard what Christo is trying to tell you in one of their many interviews after the incident..

I'm inclined to the unprepared suggestion, but either way, I concede the point.

 

[Christo]

I still have no idea what "introduce the changing story" means.

That's your fault. Christo and most reading this know exactly what it means.Here, Otis.

Ah yes. The latest offerings from dissentingjustice.blogspot.com and dailykos.com. How could I not have spotted this before.

There's over a million hits on that search. Which is sort of the point. The lie/error/controversial story change went viral.It was explained clearly by me from one pov and clearly by Christo from another. Do you understand the changing story yet?

You don't know that he's changing his story. At least you'd know that if you actually read what I wrote.

I read what you wrote and told you it was baloney which made you laugh. Keep up, punk. How's this? The known story changed from George being spot on about his age to thinking he was much older. Another question for you. It appeared the prosecution was limited to questioning Zimmerman about his current remarks on the stand. Why would they not touch the age thing? It would have made for much better theater than this thread.

The known story is irrelevant. This is what happens when people don't know the whole story. They call people liars because they want them to be liars not because they know they are liars. One of two reasons the prosecution didn't cross him on the issue: (1) they weren't prepared or (2) they know he wasn't lying.

3. The judge wouldn't let them bring in evidence that wasn't on the charging affidavit. Because it was just a bond hearing.

It was an evidentiary hearing, the other side is allowed to cross examine a witness on any issue raised by the witness, including impeaching the witness.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

No attorney is going to let him get on the stand and lie.

None?

Well, Zimmerman's a nutjob, so it's not technically a lie if he really believes it in whatever scenario he's created in his mind.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

No attorney is going to let him get on the stand and lie.

None?

Well, Zimmerman's a nutjob, so it's not technically a lie if he really believes it in whatever scenario he's created in his mind.

Not what I had in mind.And Zimmerman may be a "nutjob" but I don't know that we have really been presented any evidence of this.

 

[TexanFan02]

No attorney is going to let him get on the stand and lie.

None?

Well, Zimmerman's a nutjob, so it's not technically a lie if he really believes it in whatever scenario he's created in his mind.

Not what I had in mind.And Zimmerman may be a "nutjob" but I don't know that we have really been presented any evidence of this.

He called the cops 8 million times for trivial things. Also, he claimed to have been assaulted by a police officer before, which the cop says is a lie. I'm not even going to bring up the domestic violence claim against him, but maybe you get the picture.

 

[TexanFan02]

I still have no idea what "introduce the changing story" means.

That's your fault. Christo and most reading this know exactly what it means.Here, Otis.

Ah yes. The latest offerings from dissentingjustice.blogspot.com and dailykos.com. How could I not have spotted this before.

There's over a million hits on that search. Which is sort of the point. The lie/error/controversial story change went viral.It was explained clearly by me from one pov and clearly by Christo from another. Do you understand the changing story yet?

You don't know that he's changing his story. At least you'd know that if you actually read what I wrote.

I read what you wrote and told you it was baloney which made you laugh. Keep up, punk. How's this? The known story changed from George being spot on about his age to thinking he was much older. Another question for you. It appeared the prosecution was limited to questioning Zimmerman about his current remarks on the stand. Why would they not touch the age thing? It would have made for much better theater than this thread.

The known story is irrelevant. This is what happens when people don't know the whole story. They call people liars because they want them to be liars not because they know they are liars. One of two reasons the prosecution didn't cross him on the issue: (1) they weren't prepared or (2) they know he wasn't lying.

3. The judge wouldn't let them bring in evidence that wasn't on the charging affidavit. Because it was just a bond hearing.

It was an evidentiary hearing, the other side is allowed to cross examine a witness on any issue raised by the witness, including impeaching the witness.

Wrong. The Prosecution tried to cross examine a witness, the defense objected that they were cross examining and the Judge upheld the objection. But don't let facts get in your way.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I still have no idea what "introduce the changing story" means.

That's your fault. Christo and most reading this know exactly what it means.Here, Otis.

Ah yes. The latest offerings from dissentingjustice.blogspot.com and dailykos.com. How could I not have spotted this before.

There's over a million hits on that search. Which is sort of the point. The lie/error/controversial story change went viral.It was explained clearly by me from one pov and clearly by Christo from another. Do you understand the changing story yet?

You don't know that he's changing his story. At least you'd know that if you actually read what I wrote.

I read what you wrote and told you it was baloney which made you laugh. Keep up, punk. How's this? The known story changed from George being spot on about his age to thinking he was much older. Another question for you. It appeared the prosecution was limited to questioning Zimmerman about his current remarks on the stand. Why would they not touch the age thing? It would have made for much better theater than this thread.

The known story is irrelevant. This is what happens when people don't know the whole story. They call people liars because they want them to be liars not because they know they are liars. One of two reasons the prosecution didn't cross him on the issue: (1) they weren't prepared or (2) they know he wasn't lying.

3. The judge wouldn't let them bring in evidence that wasn't on the charging affidavit. Because it was just a bond hearing.

It was an evidentiary hearing, the other side is allowed to cross examine a witness on any issue raised by the witness, including impeaching the witness.

Wrong. The Prosecution tried to cross examine a witness, the defense objected that they were cross examining and the Judge upheld the objection. But don't let facts get in your way.

Wrong as usual, the prosecution did get to cross examine, but was limited to only what was talked about by Zimmerman on the stand that day.. When they attempted to get into the other facts of the case that Zimmerman did not bring up, the defense objected, the judge gave prosecution some leeway, the prosecution pushed it to far.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

No attorney is going to let him get on the stand and lie.

None?

Well, Zimmerman's a nutjob, so it's not technically a lie if he really believes it in whatever scenario he's created in his mind.

Not what I had in mind.And Zimmerman may be a "nutjob" but I don't know that we have really been presented any evidence of this.

He called the cops 8 million times for trivial things. Also, he claimed to have been assaulted by a police officer before, which the cop says is a lie. I'm not even going to bring up the domestic violence claim against him, but maybe you get the picture.

Didn't he want to be in law enforcement? Sounds spun negatively but still pretty typical for that profession. Are many of the law enforcement community "nutjobs"? We live in a world where we told constantly to report any trivial thing because the terrorist alerts are high so I'm not so sure that judging someone that follows instructions is appropriate.

 

[TexanFan02]

No attorney is going to let him get on the stand and lie.

None?

Well, Zimmerman's a nutjob, so it's not technically a lie if he really believes it in whatever scenario he's created in his mind.

Not what I had in mind.And Zimmerman may be a "nutjob" but I don't know that we have really been presented any evidence of this.

He called the cops 8 million times for trivial things. Also, he claimed to have been assaulted by a police officer before, which the cop says is a lie. I'm not even going to bring up the domestic violence claim against him, but maybe you get the picture.

Didn't he want to be in law enforcement? Sounds spun negatively but still pretty typical for that profession. Are many of the law enforcement community "nutjobs"? We live in a world where we told constantly to report any trivial thing because the terrorist alerts are high so I'm not so sure that judging someone that follows instructions is appropriate.

He didn't follow instructions.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

No attorney is going to let him get on the stand and lie.

None?

Well, Zimmerman's a nutjob, so it's not technically a lie if he really believes it in whatever scenario he's created in his mind.

Not what I had in mind.And Zimmerman may be a "nutjob" but I don't know that we have really been presented any evidence of this.

He called the cops 8 million times for trivial things. Also, he claimed to have been assaulted by a police officer before, which the cop says is a lie. I'm not even going to bring up the domestic violence claim against him, but maybe you get the picture.

Didn't he want to be in law enforcement? Sounds spun negatively but still pretty typical for that profession. Are many of the law enforcement community "nutjobs"? We live in a world where we told constantly to report any trivial thing because the terrorist alerts are high so I'm not so sure that judging someone that follows instructions is appropriate.

He didn't follow instructions.

Link?

 

[dparker713]

By the way, is this a proven fact, that Zimmerman had a broken nose? If so, I don't understand how this "hunter" story works. He went out looking for the kid, stalking him in the night, looking to shoot him with a gun. Then he lets the kid walk up to him and break his nose and THEN shoots him?

If Z went to go make a "citizen's arrest" of Martin for being a thug out at night, Martin struggles to get away, Z pulls out his gun and shoots him. Not saying it happened this way or anything, but seems about as plausible as Z's version.

 

[Chaos Commish]

In one of George's statements he claims Trayvon was circling his car. Try fitting that into the timeline.

 

[dparker713]

And fwiw, I've been one of the biggest doubters of Trayvon and supporters of Zimmerman in this thread. I just think that apology was a sh#### thing to do. If it served a purpose to help Zimmerman, then I think his attorney is a tool. It was unnecessary. This case shouldn't be that difficult.

The lawyer was never going to let Zimmerman say he was sorry for what he did. Never. Everyone would take it as him admitting he did something wrong. Anyone who thought he would apologize for his actions is a fool. I'm sure Zimmerman wanted to say something. So this is how they decided to phrase it. There is nothing wrong with Zimmerman saying he is sorry for their loss. Anyone who is mad about that is just looking for a reason to stay mad.

So, you wouldn't find it chicken#### if you were in those parents' shoes if someone said their were sorry for your loss, but not their actions?ETA: And tacky. Really, really tacky.

 

[dparker713]

What's funny is the only thing the prosecution was allowed to question Zimmerman about was his statement. So they went all goofy on the apology. Did you apologize before? Why did you wait so long? Bla bla bla. Why didn't they nail Zimmerman on contradicting the information (your changing story Otis) in the phone call. If they could ask about other apologies they could surely ask if he always thought he was older than late teens, right?

I think it is rehersed, but not a lie. As I have said before I think part of the evidence of inconsistency in Zimmerman's statements is to the age of Martin in his statements vs the call to police. Allowing Zimmerman to restate what he said after the shooting without the prosecution being able to call him out on it while on the stand was genius. It's either that or Zimmerman went completely against his lawyer's wishes at which point there is no way I think his attorney would represent him anymore.

It was a well rehearsed lie, intended to bolster the Zimmerman supporters, which it has. Nothing to see here.

You are full of ####. No attorney is going to let him get on the stand and lie.

Some states you don't have a choice.