Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (1 Viewer)

[BustedKnuckles]

I think its funny that people are arguing over injuries. Its become rather obvious to anyone who`s been following this case that there was a fight that lead to a shooting.All anyone has to do is watch the tape of zimmerman walking thru the police station like he was arrested for jaywalking.If that doesnt tell you that his injuries were NOT life threatening or even remotely as severe as people were lead to believe than nothing will. Its his defense that he was fighting for his life, thats the real debate , and judging by the injuries the answer , IMO , is no.If there was no gun involved its pretty reasonable to assume nobody would be dead right now.

Hi defense was that he feared for his life, and injuries have no bearing on this. They can buttress the defense, but they are not necessary.

if you and i got into a fist fight and i had a gun and you didnt im pretty sure its YOU who would be in fear of your life, not me.

Could be. Not sure that has anything to do with the Martin/Zimmerman situation though. I just wanted to clear the bolded up. It's not whether you or I thinks that Zimmerman shouldn't have been in fear for his life, it's whether Zimmerman reasonably believed his life was in danger.This is not a 2nd degree murder case, IMO. Manslaughter would be more appropriate, although not even sure they can get a conviction on that.

I just saw a guy get acquitted of murder (and manslaughter 1 and 2) for shooting another guy who did not have a weapon of any kind.

I have friends that carry handguns and they have balls as big as texas, they fear nothing. They have the attitude that if they need to use the gun its right where they want it.So im pretty sure zimmermans mindset was alot different than treys heading into that situation.

I don't think you or I know anything about Zimmerman's mindset. That will come out in his testimony though, I am sure.I don't have an extreme view one way or the other here. I think Zimmerman was an absolute fool to not just call the police. But being a fool in no way makes you guilty of murder or manslaughter.

Murdering someone does.

Yes, that is correct.

Hey , you get pie eyed drunk and get into a car , with no other thought than to get home and you crash into a family or 4 and kill them, its Vehicular homicide . Thats a crime ...period

Yes, that is a crime. Not understanding your point here as it relates to the current case.

Its just a response to this statement you made...''But being a fool in no way makes you guilty of murder or manslaughter.'' Apparently it does as i just proved

 

[jonessed]

I think its funny that people are arguing over injuries. Its become rather obvious to anyone who`s been following this case that there was a fight that lead to a shooting.All anyone has to do is watch the tape of zimmerman walking thru the police station like he was arrested for jaywalking.If that doesnt tell you that his injuries were NOT life threatening or even remotely as severe as people were lead to believe than nothing will. Its his defense that he was fighting for his life, thats the real debate , and judging by the injuries the answer , IMO , is no.If there was no gun involved its pretty reasonable to assume nobody would be dead right now.

He's right.

Right... Zimmerman has broken nose, black eyes, Trayvon has no damage to face. Zimmerman has no wounds on his hands, Trayvon has split knuckle. Yet somehow Zimmerman started a fight and was never put in a threatening position. Do you have any idea what kind of force it takes to split a knuckle on someone's face?This case is done. If not for the political need it would have been tossed already.Have fun!

 

[pittstownkiller]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there.

I am afraid I can't help you. Show that picture to 10 doctors, and 10 will call it a "laceration". Would you not call that swelling and bruising in the area I have pointed to with the arrow?Again, if you don't see it, it is because you are choosing not to, and I can't help you.

You went so far as to edit the photo with an arrow pointing to what you see as swelling, yet I am the one who sees what they want to? You can't help me because you can't help yourself and the attachment you have to your version of justice.

Do you honestly believe that his head was being slammed to the ground multiple times, and that he was nearly unconscious? Based on your photo and his treatment, what leads you to think that if so?

You can break your nose sneezing hard or blowing it, btw. It doesn't take much force at all. But it may be enough to warrant killing someone in some people's eyes.

v

My goodness. What an embarrassing response by Neofight.

Well I'm glad you had a chance to weigh in. Do you think cartilage in the nose requires much pressure to break? Ever had yours broken?

I doubt you can break your nose by simply sneezing but I'm too lazy too look it up now. Right now the evidence we have seems to indicate Zimmerman was struck in the nose by Martin at some point.

I would guess that Zimmerman was struck. The point was that it takes little for something like a septum to fracture. A friend in college broke his sneezing into his elbow (as we were all taught to do in school). I also had a cousin who, I #### you not, stuck a peanut M&M up her nostril on a dare. She fractured her nasal bone trying to forcefully sneezes it out. Anecdotal or not, noses are easily broken.So, would you shoot someone over that?

Yes I would shoot someone over that; I would be laughing so hard I would have to think they were trying to kill me.

 

[TexanFan02]

I think its funny that people are arguing over injuries. Its become rather obvious to anyone who`s been following this case that there was a fight that lead to a shooting.All anyone has to do is watch the tape of zimmerman walking thru the police station like he was arrested for jaywalking.If that doesnt tell you that his injuries were NOT life threatening or even remotely as severe as people were lead to believe than nothing will. Its his defense that he was fighting for his life, thats the real debate , and judging by the injuries the answer , IMO , is no.If there was no gun involved its pretty reasonable to assume nobody would be dead right now.

He's right.

Right... Zimmerman has broken nose, black eyes, Trayvon has no damage to face. Zimmerman has no wounds on his hands, Trayvon has split knuckle. Yet somehow Zimmerman started a fight and was never put in a threatening position. Do you have any idea what kind of force it takes to split a knuckle on someone's face?This case is done. If not for the political need it would have been tossed already.Have fun!

 

[Neofight]

My link

Was that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there.

I am afraid I can't help you. Show that picture to 10 doctors, and 10 will call it a "laceration". Would you not call that swelling and bruising in the area I have pointed to with the arrow?Again, if you don't see it, it is because you are choosing not to, and I can't help you.

You went so far as to edit the photo with an arrow pointing to what you see as swelling, yet I am the one who sees what they want to? You can't help me because you can't help yourself and the attachment you have to your version of justice.

Do you honestly believe that his head was being slammed to the ground multiple times, and that he was nearly unconscious? Based on your photo and his treatment, what leads you to think that if so?

You can break your nose sneezing hard or blowing it, btw. It doesn't take much force at all. But it may be enough to warrant killing someone in some people's eyes.

v

My goodness. What an embarrassing response by Neofight.

Well I'm glad you had a chance to weigh in. Do you think cartilage in the nose requires much pressure to break? Ever had yours broken?

I doubt you can break your nose by simply sneezing but I'm too lazy too look it up now. Right now the evidence we have seems to indicate Zimmerman was struck in the nose by Martin at some point.

I would guess that Zimmerman was struck. The point was that it takes little for something like a septum to fracture. A friend in college broke his sneezing into his elbow (as we were all taught to do in school). I also had a cousin who, I #### you not, stuck a peanut M&M up her nostril on a dare. She fractured her nasal bone trying to forcefully sneezes it out. Anecdotal or not, noses are easily broken.So, would you shoot someone over that?

Yes I would shoot someone over that; I would be laughing so hard I would have to think they were trying to kill me.

In her defense, she is an idiot also.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Yes.

Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there.

I am afraid I can't help you. Show that picture to 10 doctors, and 10 will call it a "laceration". Would you not call that swelling and bruising in the area I have pointed to with the arrow?Again, if you don't see it, it is because you are choosing not to, and I can't help you.

You went so far as to edit the photo with an arrow pointing to what you see as swelling, yet I am the one who sees what they want to? You can't help me because you can't help yourself and the attachment you have to your version of justice.

Do you honestly believe that his head was being slammed to the ground multiple times, and that he was nearly unconscious? Based on your photo and his treatment, what leads you to think that if so?

You can break your nose sneezing hard or blowing it, btw. It doesn't take much force at all. But it may be enough to warrant killing someone in some people's eyes.

v

My goodness. What an embarrassing response by Neofight.

Well I'm glad you had a chance to weigh in. Do you think cartilage in the nose requires much pressure to break? Ever had yours broken?

I doubt you can break your nose by simply sneezing but I'm too lazy too look it up now. Right now the evidence we have seems to indicate Zimmerman was struck in the nose by Martin at some point.

I would guess that Zimmerman was struck. The point was that it takes little for something like a septum to fracture. A friend in college broke his sneezing into his elbow (as we were all taught to do in school). I also had a cousin who, I #### you not, stuck a peanut M&M up her nostril on a dare. She fractured her nasal bone trying to forcefully sneezes it out. Anecdotal or not, noses are easily broken.So, would you shoot someone over that?

You're a pisser.. Please tell me more..

A good friend of mine had a testicular torsion a few years back -- this is where the spermatic cord to one of your balls twists -- and his scrotum swelled to the size of a grapefruit.With your penchant for scratching your nuts frequently, I'm guessing your sack would look something like Zimmerman's head were this to happen to you.

On a side note: Gold Bonds.

My grandfather told me to use corn starch

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I think its funny that people are arguing over injuries. Its become rather obvious to anyone who`s been following this case that there was a fight that lead to a shooting.All anyone has to do is watch the tape of zimmerman walking thru the police station like he was arrested for jaywalking.If that doesnt tell you that his injuries were NOT life threatening or even remotely as severe as people were lead to believe than nothing will. Its his defense that he was fighting for his life, thats the real debate , and judging by the injuries the answer , IMO , is no.If there was no gun involved its pretty reasonable to assume nobody would be dead right now.

Hi defense was that he feared for his life, and injuries have no bearing on this. They can buttress the defense, but they are not necessary.

if you and i got into a fist fight and i had a gun and you didnt im pretty sure its YOU who would be in fear of your life, not me.

Unless he was on top of you trying to wrestle the gun away from you..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I think its funny that people are arguing over injuries. Its become rather obvious to anyone who`s been following this case that there was a fight that lead to a shooting.All anyone has to do is watch the tape of zimmerman walking thru the police station like he was arrested for jaywalking.If that doesnt tell you that his injuries were NOT life threatening or even remotely as severe as people were lead to believe than nothing will. Its his defense that he was fighting for his life, thats the real debate , and judging by the injuries the answer , IMO , is no.If there was no gun involved its pretty reasonable to assume nobody would be dead right now.

Hi defense was that he feared for his life, and injuries have no bearing on this. They can buttress the defense, but they are not necessary.

if you and i got into a fist fight and i had a gun and you didnt im pretty sure its YOU who would be in fear of your life, not me.

Could be. Not sure that has anything to do with the Martin/Zimmerman situation though. I just wanted to clear the bolded up. It's not whether you or I thinks that Zimmerman shouldn't have been in fear for his life, it's whether Zimmerman reasonably believed his life was in danger.This is not a 2nd degree murder case, IMO. Manslaughter would be more appropriate, although not even sure they can get a conviction on that.

I just saw a guy get acquitted of murder (and manslaughter 1 and 2) for shooting another guy who did not have a weapon of any kind.

I have friends that carry handguns and they have balls as big as texas, they fear nothing. They have the attitude that if they need to use the gun its right where they want it.So im pretty sure zimmermans mindset was alot different than treys heading into that situation.

I don't think you or I know anything about Zimmerman's mindset. That will come out in his testimony though, I am sure.I don't have an extreme view one way or the other here. I think Zimmerman was an absolute fool to not just call the police. But being a fool in no way makes you guilty of murder or manslaughter.

I think there are a few things we can glean about his mindset based on his comments from those tapes.

the 911 recordings?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I don't think you or I know anything about Zimmerman's mindset. That will come out in his testimony though, I am sure.

I don't have an extreme view one way or the other here. I think Zimmerman was an absolute fool to not just call the police. But being a fool in no way makes you guilty of murder or manslaughter.

Murdering someone does.

Gold star for Tex..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I think its funny that people are arguing over injuries. Its become rather obvious to anyone who`s been following this case that there was a fight that lead to a shooting.All anyone has to do is watch the tape of zimmerman walking thru the police station like he was arrested for jaywalking.If that doesnt tell you that his injuries were NOT life threatening or even remotely as severe as people were lead to believe than nothing will. Its his defense that he was fighting for his life, thats the real debate , and judging by the injuries the answer , IMO , is no.If there was no gun involved its pretty reasonable to assume nobody would be dead right now.

Hi defense was that he feared for his life, and injuries have no bearing on this. They can buttress the defense, but they are not necessary.

if you and i got into a fist fight and i had a gun and you didnt im pretty sure its YOU who would be in fear of your life, not me.

Could be. Not sure that has anything to do with the Martin/Zimmerman situation though. I just wanted to clear the bolded up. It's not whether you or I thinks that Zimmerman shouldn't have been in fear for his life, it's whether Zimmerman reasonably believed his life was in danger.This is not a 2nd degree murder case, IMO. Manslaughter would be more appropriate, although not even sure they can get a conviction on that.

I just saw a guy get acquitted of murder (and manslaughter 1 and 2) for shooting another guy who did not have a weapon of any kind.

I have friends that carry handguns and they have balls as big as texas, they fear nothing. They have the attitude that if they need to use the gun its right where they want it.So im pretty sure zimmermans mindset was alot different than treys heading into that situation.

I don't think you or I know anything about Zimmerman's mindset. That will come out in his testimony though, I am sure.I don't have an extreme view one way or the other here. I think Zimmerman was an absolute fool to not just call the police. But being a fool in no way makes you guilty of murder or manslaughter.

Murdering someone does.

Yes, that is correct.

Hey , you get pie eyed drunk and get into a car , with no other thought than to get home and you crash into a family or 4 and kill them, its Vehicular homicide . Thats a crime ...period

 

[Christo]

 

[Charlie Frown]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there.

I am afraid I can't help you. Show that picture to 10 doctors, and 10 will call it a "laceration". Would you not call that swelling and bruising in the area I have pointed to with the arrow?Again, if you don't see it, it is because you are choosing not to, and I can't help you.

You went so far as to edit the photo with an arrow pointing to what you see as swelling, yet I am the one who sees what they want to? You can't help me because you can't help yourself and the attachment you have to your version of justice.

Do you honestly believe that his head was being slammed to the ground multiple times, and that he was nearly unconscious? Based on your photo and his treatment, what leads you to think that if so?

You can break your nose sneezing hard or blowing it, btw. It doesn't take much force at all. But it may be enough to warrant killing someone in some people's eyes.

v

My goodness. What an embarrassing response by Neofight.

Well I'm glad you had a chance to weigh in. Do you think cartilage in the nose requires much pressure to break? Ever had yours broken?

I doubt you can break your nose by simply sneezing but I'm too lazy too look it up now. Right now the evidence we have seems to indicate Zimmerman was struck in the nose by Martin at some point.

I would guess that Zimmerman was struck. The point was that it takes little for something like a septum to fracture. A friend in college broke his sneezing into his elbow (as we were all taught to do in school). I also had a cousin who, I #### you not, stuck a peanut M&M up her nostril on a dare. She fractured her nasal bone trying to forcefully sneezes it out. Anecdotal or not, noses are easily broken.So, would you shoot someone over that?

If he was sitting on me beating me then yeah I can see that as possibly being justified. There is no such thing as a fair fight anymore. You can't assume an assailant is going to be satisfied with simply knocking you down and then help you up and shake your hand when you cry "uncle".When I was a cop, if I had been in Zimmerman's position I absolutely would have shot my attacker if I could have. No question. I would probably even do it now.

Could have this situation been avoided? Yeah. Is Zimmerman a doosh? Sounds like it. Did Martin deserve to die? No. Can they convict Zimmerman of 2nd degree murder? Not if the evidence backs up Zimmerman's side of the story. He will probably walk free (IMHO) since it doesn't appear anyone will be able to offer a different account. Zimmerman goes to jail only if the prosecution can convince the jury that Zimmerman is FOS.

 

[Neofight]

My link

Was that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there.

I am afraid I can't help you. Show that picture to 10 doctors, and 10 will call it a "laceration". Would you not call that swelling and bruising in the area I have pointed to with the arrow?Again, if you don't see it, it is because you are choosing not to, and I can't help you.

You went so far as to edit the photo with an arrow pointing to what you see as swelling, yet I am the one who sees what they want to? You can't help me because you can't help yourself and the attachment you have to your version of justice.

Do you honestly believe that his head was being slammed to the ground multiple times, and that he was nearly unconscious? Based on your photo and his treatment, what leads you to think that if so?

You can break your nose sneezing hard or blowing it, btw. It doesn't take much force at all. But it may be enough to warrant killing someone in some people's eyes.

v

My goodness. What an embarrassing response by Neofight.

Well I'm glad you had a chance to weigh in. Do you think cartilage in the nose requires much pressure to break? Ever had yours broken?

I doubt you can break your nose by simply sneezing but I'm too lazy too look it up now. Right now the evidence we have seems to indicate Zimmerman was struck in the nose by Martin at some point.

I would guess that Zimmerman was struck. The point was that it takes little for something like a septum to fracture. A friend in college broke his sneezing into his elbow (as we were all taught to do in school). I also had a cousin who, I #### you not, stuck a peanut M&M up her nostril on a dare. She fractured her nasal bone trying to forcefully sneezes it out. Anecdotal or not, noses are easily broken.So, would you shoot someone over that?

If he was sitting on me beating me then yeah I can see that as possibly being justified...When I was a cop, if I had been in Zimmerman's position I absolutely would have shot my attacker if I could have. No question. I would probably even do it now.

Could have this situation been avoided? Yeah. Is Zimmerman a doosh? Sounds like it. Did Martin deserve to die? No. Can they convict Zimmerman of 2nd degree murder? Not if the evidence backs up Zimmerman's side of the story. He will probably walk free (IMHO) since it doesn't appear anyone will be able to offer a different account. Zimmerman goes to jail only if the prosecution can convince the jury that Zimmerman is FOS.

How do you reconcile these statements? How is it possibly justified but absolutely a situation where you would pull the trigger?

 

[Neofight]

I am afraid I can't help you. Show that picture to 10 doctors, and 10 will call it a "laceration". Would you not call that swelling and bruising in the area I have pointed to with the arrow?

Again, if you don't see it, it is because you are choosing not to, and I can't help you.

You went so far as to edit the photo with an arrow pointing to what you see as swelling, yet I am the one who sees what they want to? You can't help me because you can't help yourself and the attachment you have to your version of justice.

Do you honestly believe that his head was being slammed to the ground multiple times, and that he was nearly unconscious? Based on your photo and his treatment, what leads you to think that if so?

You can break your nose sneezing hard or blowing it, btw. It doesn't take much force at all. But it may be enough to warrant killing someone in some people's eyes.

v

My goodness. What an embarrassing response by Neofight.

Well I'm glad you had a chance to weigh in. Do you think cartilage in the nose requires much pressure to break? Ever had yours broken?

I doubt you can break your nose by simply sneezing but I'm too lazy too look it up now. Right now the evidence we have seems to indicate Zimmerman was struck in the nose by Martin at some point.

I would guess that Zimmerman was struck. The point was that it takes little for something like a septum to fracture. A friend in college broke his sneezing into his elbow (as we were all taught to do in school). I also had a cousin who, I #### you not, stuck a peanut M&M up her nostril on a dare. She fractured her nasal bone trying to forcefully sneezes it out. Anecdotal or not, noses are easily broken.So, would you shoot someone over that?

You're a pisser.. Please tell me more..

A good friend of mine had a testicular torsion a few years back -- this is where the spermatic cord to one of your balls twists -- and his scrotum swelled to the size of a grapefruit.With your penchant for scratching your nuts frequently, I'm guessing your sack would look something like Zimmerman's head were this to happen to you.

On a side note: Gold Bonds.

My grandfather told me to use corn starch

This isn't a clambake.

 

[renesauz]

I think its funny that people are arguing over injuries. Its become rather obvious to anyone who`s been following this case that there was a fight that lead to a shooting.All anyone has to do is watch the tape of zimmerman walking thru the police station like he was arrested for jaywalking.If that doesnt tell you that his injuries were NOT life threatening or even remotely as severe as people were lead to believe than nothing will. Its his defense that he was fighting for his life, thats the real debate , and judging by the injuries the answer , IMO , is no.If there was no gun involved its pretty reasonable to assume nobody would be dead right now.

Hi defense was that he feared for his life, and injuries have no bearing on this. They can buttress the defense, but they are not necessary.

if you and i got into a fist fight and i had a gun and you didnt im pretty sure its YOU who would be in fear of your life, not me.

Right up to the point that your adversary tries to rip it from your waistband.Seriously....this thread has gotten really lame with some of the dug-in positions.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zimmerman’s lawyer, Mark O’Mara, said he expects to receive evidence against his client in the trial soon, but that he needs time to review the material and redact the names of witnesses and other information before handing it over to the media, according to the Miami Herald. O’Mara appealed to Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester to seal the case file, but the judge declined. Evidence must be provided to the media once it is given to the defense according to Florida law.

The documents are expected to be provided to O’Mara’s firm on Monday, but the defense has been trying to slow down or delay the procedure. “We want to do everything we can to protect the sanctity of the process and the safety of the witnesses,” O’Mara said in a statement in April.

 

[SacramentoBob]

How far away is "intermediate range"?

 

[Charlie Frown]

How do you reconcile these statements? How is it possibly justified but absolutely a situation where you would pull the trigger?

I can't say it was justified in Zimmerman's case but I could see it being a possibility depending on what really happened.As a cop you have to assume that if someone attacks you it is with the intent to kill. You are taught to respond to force at a level higher than what is being used against you (or at least I was).I would have killed a man in a heartbeat in that case and take my chances with a jury.If I am in fear for my life or my family's lives I would do it now.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zimmerman, who has claimed he was in a fight for his life, declined hospitalization and did not seek medical treatment until the next morning from a general physician at a family practice near Sanford, Fla., the report says. It also says Zimmerman wanted an appointment to be legally cleared to return to his job. He also turned down his doctor’s advice to get another appointment with an ear, nose and throat doctor.

Despite the physical injuries and his claim that Martin bashed his head into the pavement, Zimmerman was not diagnosed with a concussion, the report says. But his doctor said it was “imperative” that he see a psychologist. Also before the shooting, Zimmerman was prescribed the drugs Adderall, which treats narcolepsy and ADHD; and Temazepam, which is given to insomnia patients.

“The family has very strong positions about this family physician’s report that was done the next day,” Martin’s family attorney Benjamin Crump told CNN. “What we do know is on February 26, the ER personnel did not believe his injuries were significant enough for him to go to the hospital. They didn’t even put a Band-Aid on his head. That’s important.”

Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/05/16/report-details-zimmermans-injuries-on-night-of-trayvon-martin-shooting/?iid=nf-article-latest#ixzz1v8m0N06e

 

[Witz]

Zimmerman, who has claimed he was in a fight for his life, declined hospitalization and did not seek medical treatment until the next morning from a general physician at a family practice near Sanford, Fla., the report says. It also says Zimmerman wanted an appointment to be legally cleared to return to his job. He also turned down his doctor’s advice to get another appointment with an ear, nose and throat doctor.

Despite the physical injuries and his claim that Martin bashed his head into the pavement, Zimmerman was not diagnosed with a concussion, the report says. But his doctor said it was “imperative” that he see a psychologist. Also before the shooting, Zimmerman was prescribed the drugs Adderall, which treats narcolepsy and ADHD; and Temazepam, which is given to insomnia patients.

“The family has very strong positions about this family physician’s report that was done the next day,” Martin’s family attorney Benjamin Crump told CNN. “What we do know is on February 26, the ER personnel did not believe his injuries were significant enough for him to go to the hospital. They didn’t even put a Band-Aid on his head. That’s important.”

Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/05/16/report-details-zimmermans-injuries-on-night-of-trayvon-martin-shooting/?iid=nf-article-latest#ixzz1v8m0N06e

Which is it? Was he offered and declined or was he not even offered? Can't have it both ways. Also - didn't realize each time your head hits the ground (or gets hit into the ground) you automatically get a concussion.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zimmerman, who has claimed he was in a fight for his life, declined hospitalization and did not seek medical treatment until the next morning from a general physician at a family practice near Sanford, Fla., the report says. It also says Zimmerman wanted an appointment to be legally cleared to return to his job. He also turned down his doctor’s advice to get another appointment with an ear, nose and throat doctor.

Despite the physical injuries and his claim that Martin bashed his head into the pavement, Zimmerman was not diagnosed with a concussion, the report says. But his doctor said it was “imperative” that he see a psychologist. Also before the shooting, Zimmerman was prescribed the drugs Adderall, which treats narcolepsy and ADHD; and Temazepam, which is given to insomnia patients.

“The family has very strong positions about this family physician’s report that was done the next day,” Martin’s family attorney Benjamin Crump told CNN. “What we do know is on February 26, the ER personnel did not believe his injuries were significant enough for him to go to the hospital. They didn’t even put a Band-Aid on his head. That’s important.”

Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/05/16/report-details-zimmermans-injuries-on-night-of-trayvon-martin-shooting/?iid=nf-article-latest#ixzz1v8m0N06e

Which is it? Was he offered and declined or was he not even offered? Can't have it both ways. Also - didn't realize each time your head hits the ground (or gets hit into the ground) you automatically get a concussion.

Actually you can have it both ways. You can have ER people treat you at the scene and be done because your not hurt bad enough to need a hospital and later if someone askes are you sure you dont want to go to the hospital you can decline.Based on the repeated bashing of the head against the pavement i would expect at least a mild concussion.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Seriously....this thread has gotten really lame with some of the dug-in positions.

Can't see a reason to keep going over the same old ground.

 

[SacramentoBob]

How far away is "intermediate range"?

 

[Chaos Commish]

How far away is "intermediate range"?

another topic already discussed. non contact but less than 15 inches, probably more than 4 inches unless they have black soot around the wound, which hasn't been mentioned. intermediate basically means the muzzle was close enough for gases from the burnt powder to tattoo the skin of the victim. different weapons can tattoo from different distances, but they're all very close range...

 

[cstu]

Autopsy: Drug THC found in Trayvon Martin's system

By the CNN Wire Staff

updated 6:08 PM EDT, Thu May 17, 2012

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

Evidence of THC, an ingredient in marijuana, was found in Martin's blood, tests show

George Zimmerman, 28, shot teenager Trayvon Martin on February 26 in Florida

He wasn't arrested immediately, but murder charges were announced on April 11

(CNN) -- Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system when he was fatally shot earlier this year by George Zimmerman in Sanford, Florida, according to autopsy results released Thursday.

Martin's blood contained THC, which is the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, according to an autopsy conducted February 27 -- the day after the teenager was shot dead.

Toxicology tests found elements of the drug in the teenager's chest blood -- 1.5 nanograms per milliliter of one type (THC), as well as 7.3 nanograms of another type (THC-COOH) -- according to the medical examiner's report. There was also a presumed positive test of cannabinoids in Martin's urine. It was not immediately clear how significant these amounts were.

He died from a gunshot wounded to chest fired from "intermediate range," according to the medical examiner's report, which was one of several documents on the case released Thursday by the office of special prosecutor Angela Corey.

The autopsy report lists the manner of death as a homicide.

Zimmerman, 28, is charged with second-degree murder for killing Martin in the Sanford neighborhood where the African-American teen was staying.

Prosecutors have said Zimmerman, who is a white Hispanic, killed the unarmed teenager unjustly after profiling him. Zimmerman, who has pleaded not guilty, has said that he shot Martin in self-defense.

The start of the trial hasn't been set.

The case shined a spotlight on race relations, spurring protests nationwide and drawing prominent civil rights leaders to central Florida denouncing the actions of Sanford police and calling for Zimmerman's arrest. Special prosecutor Angela Corey announced he'd been charged on April 11, weeks after Sanford police initially declined to do so.

It also raised questions about gun laws, as well as the merits of the "Stand Your Ground" law in Florida, and similar laws in other states that allow people to use deadly force anywhere they feel a reasonable threat of serious injury or death.

 

[pantherclub]

Autopsy: Drug THC found in Trayvon Martin's system

By the CNN Wire Staff

updated 6:08 PM EDT, Thu May 17, 2012

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

Evidence of THC, an ingredient in marijuana, was found in Martin's blood, tests show

George Zimmerman, 28, shot teenager Trayvon Martin on February 26 in Florida

He wasn't arrested immediately, but murder charges were announced on April 11

(CNN) -- Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system when he was fatally shot earlier this year by George Zimmerman in Sanford, Florida, according to autopsy results released Thursday.

Martin's blood contained THC, which is the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, according to an autopsy conducted February 27 -- the day after the teenager was shot dead.

Toxicology tests found elements of the drug in the teenager's chest blood -- 1.5 nanograms per milliliter of one type (THC), as well as 7.3 nanograms of another type (THC-COOH) -- according to the medical examiner's report. There was also a presumed positive test of cannabinoids in Martin's urine. It was not immediately clear how significant these amounts were.

He died from a gunshot wounded to chest fired from "intermediate range," according to the medical examiner's report, which was one of several documents on the case released Thursday by the office of special prosecutor Angela Corey.

The autopsy report lists the manner of death as a homicide.

Zimmerman, 28, is charged with second-degree murder for killing Martin in the Sanford neighborhood where the African-American teen was staying.

Prosecutors have said Zimmerman, who is a white Hispanic, killed the unarmed teenager unjustly after profiling him. Zimmerman, who has pleaded not guilty, has said that he shot Martin in self-defense.

The start of the trial hasn't been set.

The case shined a spotlight on race relations, spurring protests nationwide and drawing prominent civil rights leaders to central Florida denouncing the actions of Sanford police and calling for Zimmerman's arrest. Special prosecutor Angela Corey announced he'd been charged on April 11, weeks after Sanford police initially declined to do so.

It also raised questions about gun laws, as well as the merits of the "Stand Your Ground" law in Florida, and similar laws in other states that allow people to use deadly force anywhere they feel a reasonable threat of serious injury or death.

This changes it all, Mary Jane is proven to make you violent. Martin is toast

 

[shader]

THC?

 

[jon_mx]

So this run for Skittles was the result from having the munchies?

 

[timschochet]

So this run for Skittles was the result from having the munchies?

Works for me.

 

[Neofight]

Can someone refresh my memory on what was in Zimmerman's system? Can't remember those test results.

 

[identikit]

Can someone refresh my memory on what was in Zimmerman's system? Can't remember those test results.

Ice water.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Autopsy: Drug THC found in Trayvon Martin's system

By the CNN Wire Staff

updated 6:08 PM EDT, Thu May 17, 2012

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

Evidence of THC, an ingredient in marijuana, was found in Martin's blood, tests show

George Zimmerman, 28, shot teenager Trayvon Martin on February 26 in Florida

He wasn't arrested immediately, but murder charges were announced on April 11

(CNN) -- Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system when he was fatally shot earlier this year by George Zimmerman in Sanford, Florida, according to autopsy results released Thursday.

Martin's blood contained THC, which is the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, according to an autopsy conducted February 27 -- the day after the teenager was shot dead.

Toxicology tests found elements of the drug in the teenager's chest blood -- 1.5 nanograms per milliliter of one type (THC), as well as 7.3 nanograms of another type (THC-COOH) -- according to the medical examiner's report. There was also a presumed positive test of cannabinoids in Martin's urine. It was not immediately clear how significant these amounts were.

He died from a gunshot wounded to chest fired from "intermediate range," according to the medical examiner's report, which was one of several documents on the case released Thursday by the office of special prosecutor Angela Corey.

The autopsy report lists the manner of death as a homicide.

Zimmerman, 28, is charged with second-degree murder for killing Martin in the Sanford neighborhood where the African-American teen was staying.

Prosecutors have said Zimmerman, who is a white Hispanic, killed the unarmed teenager unjustly after profiling him. Zimmerman, who has pleaded not guilty, has said that he shot Martin in self-defense.

The start of the trial hasn't been set.

The case shined a spotlight on race relations, spurring protests nationwide and drawing prominent civil rights leaders to central Florida denouncing the actions of Sanford police and calling for Zimmerman's arrest. Special prosecutor Angela Corey announced he'd been charged on April 11, weeks after Sanford police initially declined to do so.

It also raised questions about gun laws, as well as the merits of the "Stand Your Ground" law in Florida, and similar laws in other states that allow people to use deadly force anywhere they feel a reasonable threat of serious injury or death.

This changes it all, Mary Jane is proven to make you violent. Martin is toast

DRUGS WERE IN HIS SYSTEM!!!!!!!

 

[SacramentoBob]

So this was all reefer madness?

 

[Mark Davis]

Zimmerman, who has claimed he was in a fight for his life, declined hospitalization and did not seek medical treatment until the next morning from a general physician at a family practice near Sanford, Fla., the report says. It also says Zimmerman wanted an appointment to be legally cleared to return to his job. He also turned down his doctor’s advice to get another appointment with an ear, nose and throat doctor.

Despite the physical injuries and his claim that Martin bashed his head into the pavement, Zimmerman was not diagnosed with a concussion, the report says. But his doctor said it was “imperative” that he see a psychologist. Also before the shooting, Zimmerman was prescribed the drugs Adderall, which treats narcolepsy and ADHD; and Temazepam, which is given to insomnia patients.

“The family has very strong positions about this family physician’s report that was done the next day,” Martin’s family attorney Benjamin Crump told CNN. “What we do know is on February 26, the ER personnel did not believe his injuries were significant enough for him to go to the hospital. They didn’t even put a Band-Aid on his head. That’s important.”

Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/05/16/report-details-zimmermans-injuries-on-night-of-trayvon-martin-shooting/?iid=nf-article-latest#ixzz1v8m0N06e

The photos released by the state tonight look like he was beaten up pretty good to me.

 

[identikit]

Zimmerman, who has claimed he was in a fight for his life, declined hospitalization and did not seek medical treatment until the next morning from a general physician at a family practice near Sanford, Fla., the report says. It also says Zimmerman wanted an appointment to be legally cleared to return to his job. He also turned down his doctor's advice to get another appointment with an ear, nose and throat doctor.

Despite the physical injuries and his claim that Martin bashed his head into the pavement, Zimmerman was not diagnosed with a concussion, the report says. But his doctor said it was "imperative" that he see a psychologist. Also before the shooting, Zimmerman was prescribed the drugs Adderall, which treats narcolepsy and ADHD; and Temazepam, which is given to insomnia patients.

"The family has very strong positions about this family physician's report that was done the next day," Martin's family attorney Benjamin Crump told CNN. "What we do know is on February 26, the ER personnel did not believe his injuries were significant enough for him to go to the hospital. They didn't even put a Band-Aid on his head. That's important."

Read more: http://newsfeed.time...t#ixzz1v8m0N06e

The photos released by the state tonight look like he was beaten up pretty good to me.

Saw those; much different than we saw thus far.Also heard an audio statement by a witness (sorry no link; was on the TV news) that described the struggle and shooting.

 

[jon_mx]

Zimmerman, who has claimed he was in a fight for his life, declined hospitalization and did not seek medical treatment until the next morning from a general physician at a family practice near Sanford, Fla., the report says. It also says Zimmerman wanted an appointment to be legally cleared to return to his job. He also turned down his doctor's advice to get another appointment with an ear, nose and throat doctor.

Despite the physical injuries and his claim that Martin bashed his head into the pavement, Zimmerman was not diagnosed with a concussion, the report says. But his doctor said it was "imperative" that he see a psychologist. Also before the shooting, Zimmerman was prescribed the drugs Adderall, which treats narcolepsy and ADHD; and Temazepam, which is given to insomnia patients.

"The family has very strong positions about this family physician's report that was done the next day," Martin's family attorney Benjamin Crump told CNN. "What we do know is on February 26, the ER personnel did not believe his injuries were significant enough for him to go to the hospital. They didn't even put a Band-Aid on his head. That's important."

Read more: http://newsfeed.time...t#ixzz1v8m0N06e

The photos released by the state tonight look like he was beaten up pretty good to me.

Saw those; much different than we saw thus far.Also heard an audio statement by a witness (sorry no link; was on the TV news) that described the struggle and shooting.

Anyone who thinks it was Zimmerman on top doing the beating was on drugs. The charge of second degree murder is simply ridiculous.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman, who has claimed he was in a fight for his life, declined hospitalization and did not seek medical treatment until the next morning from a general physician at a family practice near Sanford, Fla., the report says. It also says Zimmerman wanted an appointment to be legally cleared to return to his job. He also turned down his doctor’s advice to get another appointment with an ear, nose and throat doctor.

Despite the physical injuries and his claim that Martin bashed his head into the pavement, Zimmerman was not diagnosed with a concussion, the report says. But his doctor said it was “imperative” that he see a psychologist. Also before the shooting, Zimmerman was prescribed the drugs Adderall, which treats narcolepsy and ADHD; and Temazepam, which is given to insomnia patients.

“The family has very strong positions about this family physician’s report that was done the next day,” Martin’s family attorney Benjamin Crump told CNN. “What we do know is on February 26, the ER personnel did not believe his injuries were significant enough for him to go to the hospital. They didn’t even put a Band-Aid on his head. That’s important.”

Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/05/16/report-details-zimmermans-injuries-on-night-of-trayvon-martin-shooting/?iid=nf-article-latest#ixzz1v8m0N06e

It wasn't the ER personnel that decided his injuries weren't significant enough. He declined their assistance.. Any jack ### can be carried off in an ambulance for little to no reason at all.. That has absolutely nothing to do with it.Yes, if he had them carry him to the hospital, it would have helped his case, but the fact that he didn't go, doesn't change the potential for him to need to defend himself..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Autopsy: Drug THC found in Trayvon Martin's system

By the CNN Wire Staff

updated 6:08 PM EDT, Thu May 17, 2012

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

Evidence of THC, an ingredient in marijuana, was found in Martin's blood, tests show

George Zimmerman, 28, shot teenager Trayvon Martin on February 26 in Florida

He wasn't arrested immediately, but murder charges were announced on April 11

(CNN) -- Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system when he was fatally shot earlier this year by George Zimmerman in Sanford, Florida, according to autopsy results released Thursday.

Martin's blood contained THC, which is the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, according to an autopsy conducted February 27 -- the day after the teenager was shot dead.

Toxicology tests found elements of the drug in the teenager's chest blood -- 1.5 nanograms per milliliter of one type (THC), as well as 7.3 nanograms of another type (THC-COOH) -- according to the medical examiner's report. There was also a presumed positive test of cannabinoids in Martin's urine. It was not immediately clear how significant these amounts were.

He died from a gunshot wounded to chest fired from "intermediate range," according to the medical examiner's report, which was one of several documents on the case released Thursday by the office of special prosecutor Angela Corey.

The autopsy report lists the manner of death as a homicide.

Zimmerman, 28, is charged with second-degree murder for killing Martin in the Sanford neighborhood where the African-American teen was staying.

Prosecutors have said Zimmerman, who is a white Hispanic, killed the unarmed teenager unjustly after profiling him. Zimmerman, who has pleaded not guilty, has said that he shot Martin in self-defense.

The start of the trial hasn't been set.

The case shined a spotlight on race relations, spurring protests nationwide and drawing prominent civil rights leaders to central Florida denouncing the actions of Sanford police and calling for Zimmerman's arrest. Special prosecutor Angela Corey announced he'd been charged on April 11, weeks after Sanford police initially declined to do so.

It also raised questions about gun laws, as well as the merits of the "Stand Your Ground" law in Florida, and similar laws in other states that allow people to use deadly force anywhere they feel a reasonable threat of serious injury or death.

This changes it all, Mary Jane is proven to make you violent. Martin is toast

THC is one of the new ingredients used to make skittles.. Nothing to see here..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Can someone refresh my memory on what was in Zimmerman's system? Can't remember those test results.

Yea, legal/prescribed medication..Your point?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman, who has claimed he was in a fight for his life, declined hospitalization and did not seek medical treatment until the next morning from a general physician at a family practice near Sanford, Fla., the report says. It also says Zimmerman wanted an appointment to be legally cleared to return to his job. He also turned down his doctor's advice to get another appointment with an ear, nose and throat doctor.

Despite the physical injuries and his claim that Martin bashed his head into the pavement, Zimmerman was not diagnosed with a concussion, the report says. But his doctor said it was "imperative" that he see a psychologist. Also before the shooting, Zimmerman was prescribed the drugs Adderall, which treats narcolepsy and ADHD; and Temazepam, which is given to insomnia patients.

"The family has very strong positions about this family physician's report that was done the next day," Martin's family attorney Benjamin Crump told CNN. "What we do know is on February 26, the ER personnel did not believe his injuries were significant enough for him to go to the hospital. They didn't even put a Band-Aid on his head. That's important."

Read more: http://newsfeed.time...t#ixzz1v8m0N06e

The photos released by the state tonight look like he was beaten up pretty good to me.

Saw those; much different than we saw thus far.Also heard an audio statement by a witness (sorry no link; was on the TV news) that described the struggle and shooting.

Anyone have links to these new pictures, or this witness statement?

 

[StrikeS2k]

Cops, Witnesses Back Up George Zimmerman's Version of Trayvon Martin ShootingBy MATT GUTMAN (@mattgutmanABC) , SENI TIENABESO (@senijr_abc) and COLLEEN CURRYMay 17, 2012Two police reports written the night that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin said that Zimmerman had a bloody face and nose, according to police reports made public today.The reports also note that two witness accounts appear to back up Zimmerman's version of what happened when they describe a man on his back with another person wearing a hoodie straddling him and throwing punches.It has been such a contentious case that even the evidence is being disputed.The police report states that Trayvon Martin's father told an investigator after listening to 911 tapes that captured a man's voice frantically callling for help that it was not his son calling for help.But Tracy Martin, Trayvon's father, claims that is not true. The Martin family lawyer Ben Crump told ABC News that Tracy Martin initially listened to a distorted version of the 911 calls and said he could not identify the voice. But when he listened to a second tape that had been "cleaned," "He immediately broke down in tears because he knew it was his son calling for help," Crump said.The new information is part of a trove of documents released by the Florida State Attorney today in the case against Zimmerman, who is charged with second degree murder for the Feb. 26 killing of Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old African American male.Zimmerman, 28, is a multi-racial Hispanic man who volunteered for the neighborhood watch committee who claimed that he shot Martin in self-defense after the 6-foot tall, 160 pound teenager knocked him to the ground, banged his head against the ground and went for Zimmerman's gun.The documents start with a criticism of Zimmerman's decision to follow the teenager, who Zimmerman said was looking suspicious."The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement," an investigating officer wrote.Zimmerman claims he got out of his vehicle to find a house number to let police know where he saw the allegedly suspicious person, and while returning to his car was knocked down by a punch in the nose and attacked by Martin.Two police officers reported that when they arrived at the scene of the shooting, Zimmerman seemed to have a battered nose and bloodied face. One wrote that his "facial area was bloodied," and the back of his clothing was soiled with wet grass."Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and the back of his head," Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote.Another officer wrote, "I saw that Zimmerman's face was bloodied and it appeared to me that his nose was broken."Witnesses, whose names were redacted from the report, also lent support to Zimmerman's version of what happened."He witnesses a black male, wearing a dark colored 'hoodie' on top of a white or Hispanic male and throwing punches 'MMA (mixed martial arts) style,'" the police report of the witness said. "He then heard a pop. He stated that after hearing the pop, he observed the person he had previously observed on top of the other person (the male wearing the hoodie) laid out on the grass."A second witness described a person on the ground with another straddling him and throwing punches. The man on the bottom was yelling for help, the witness told police.The documents state that Zimmerman can be heard yelling for help 14 times on a 911 call recorded during the fight. Yet another witness described the confrontation in emotional terms.The witness heard "someone yelling, almost crying. Then I heard a gunshot." The witness wrote that he or she "saw a man on top of a guy laying on the ground. He was putting his hands on his neck or chest."The man asked the witness to call 911."He stood up and took a couple steps away and put his hands on his head and then walked back over to the guy on the ground. He looked at him for a minute, then started to walk away toward the road. That is when the police walked up," the witness wrote.The lead investigator on the case, Officer Christopher Serino, wrote that Zimmerman could be heard "yelling for help as he was being battered by Trayvon Martin."Martin's death sparked public outrage after police released Zimmerman without any criminal charges for the killing. Zimmerman was later charged with second-degree murder, and the killing provoked widespread debate about racial profiling.The autopsy also shows that Zimmerman shot Martin from a distance of between 1 inch and 18 inches away, bolstering Zimmerman's claim that he shot Martin during a close struggle.Martin's autopsy report also revealed that there was a quarter-inch by half-inch abrasion on the left fourth finger of Martin, another indication of a possible struggle.The teen, who lived in Miami, was in Sanford while serving a suspension for a bag of marijuana being discovered in his possession. Martin had THC, the drug found in marijuana, in his blood on the night of his death, according to the autopsy. His family told ABC News that it was "trace amounts" of THC.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witnesses-back-george-zimmermans-version/story?id=16371852

 

[Mark Davis]

Zimmerman, who has claimed he was in a fight for his life, declined hospitalization and did not seek medical treatment until the next morning from a general physician at a family practice near Sanford, Fla., the report says. It also says Zimmerman wanted an appointment to be legally cleared to return to his job. He also turned down his doctor's advice to get another appointment with an ear, nose and throat doctor.

Despite the physical injuries and his claim that Martin bashed his head into the pavement, Zimmerman was not diagnosed with a concussion, the report says. But his doctor said it was "imperative" that he see a psychologist. Also before the shooting, Zimmerman was prescribed the drugs Adderall, which treats narcolepsy and ADHD; and Temazepam, which is given to insomnia patients.

"The family has very strong positions about this family physician's report that was done the next day," Martin's family attorney Benjamin Crump told CNN. "What we do know is on February 26, the ER personnel did not believe his injuries were significant enough for him to go to the hospital. They didn't even put a Band-Aid on his head. That's important."

Read more: http://newsfeed.time...t#ixzz1v8m0N06e

The photos released by the state tonight look like he was beaten up pretty good to me.

Saw those; much different than we saw thus far.Also heard an audio statement by a witness (sorry no link; was on the TV news) that described the struggle and shooting.

Anyone have links to these new pictures, or this witness statement?

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/17/11748829-george-zimmerman-photos-released-from-night-of-trayvon-martin-shooting?lite

 

[Witz]

Can someone refresh my memory on what was in Zimmerman's system? Can't remember those test results.

Yea, legal/prescribed medication..Your point?

Actually it said he had been prescribed that medication in the past - nothing has come to light about him having any drugs in his system, but hey Neo - don't let that stop you from fighting your fight.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

[The reports also note "The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, ...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witnesses-back-george-zimmermans-version/story?id=16371852

 

[Chairshot]

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/17/11748829-george-zimmerman-photos-released-from-night-of-trayvon-martin-shooting?lite

I have no dog in this fight, I'm a wait and see kind of guy.But, if I'm honest, those injuries look like nothing to me. It's a little cut on the back of his head and a little cut on his nose. Yeah, it looks like he was in a scuffle, but it hardly looks like he was getting his tail kicked very badly. I read the list of his injuries before I saw the pictures and I expected much, much worse. I'd venture to say that half the FFA has received worse in their lives and likely not felt like their lives were threatened. I definitely have and I'm by no means a tough guy.I wasn't there and I haven't heard enough to make any kind of real decision (not that my decision matters that much anyway). But, in my eyes, those pictures don't help Zimmerman's case at all. They do not look like injuries that would cause a reasonable person to fear for their life.

 

[StrikeS2k]

[The reports also note "The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, ...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witnesses-back-george-zimmermans-version/story?id=16371852

Of course it was avoidable. So?

 

[Neofight]

Can someone refresh my memory on what was in Zimmerman's system? Can't remember those test results.

Yea, legal/prescribed medication..Your point?

Actually it said he had been prescribed that medication in the past - nothing has come to light about him having any drugs in his system, but hey Neo - don't let that stop you from fighting your fight.

Just a question. If it's pertinent what was in the deceased's system (or whether to test at all), it would seem that it should be the same for the guy that pulled the trigger.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Can someone refresh my memory on what was in Zimmerman's system? Can't remember those test results.

Yea, legal/prescribed medication..Your point?

Actually it said he had been prescribed that medication in the past - nothing has come to light about him having any drugs in his system, but hey Neo - don't let that stop you from fighting your fight.

Just a question. If it's pertinent what was in the deceased's system (or whether to test at all), it would seem that it should be the same for the guy that pulled the trigger.

And if they did, and they found normal amounts of prescribed medication, whats your point?You're going nowhere here, you should give up the "Zimmerman was on drugs" argument..

 

[jon_mx]

[The reports also note "The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, ...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witnesses-back-george-zimmermans-version/story?id=16371852

Of course it was avoidable. So?

That is funny that was his only take from an article which basically says Zimmerman's version is backed up by the evidence and disproves the version of events spun up by the Martin side.

 

[StrikeS2k]

[The reports also note "The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, ...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witnesses-back-george-zimmermans-version/story?id=16371852

Of course it was avoidable. So?

That is funny that was his only take from an article which basically says Zimmerman's version is backed up by the evidence and disproves the version of events spun up by the Martin side.

I can't wait for Tim's spin.