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Bond revoked. Lying to the Judge.
Bond revoked. Lying to the Judge.
About money AND having a passport. His lawyer just "forgot to mention" the last part.Bond revoked. Lying to the Judge.
I'm sure he's not lying about other stuff though.About money AND having a passport. His lawyer just "forgot to mention" the last part.Bond revoked. Lying to the Judge.
Yeah, he only lies to Judges. I'm sure the Police are a different story.'SacramentoBob said:I'm sure he's not lying about other stuff though.'TexanFan02 said:About money AND having a passport. His lawyer just "forgot to mention" the last part.'BigSteelThrill said:Bond revoked. Lying to the Judge.'TexanFan02 said:
TOASTYeah, he only lies to Judges. I'm sure the Police are a different story.'SacramentoBob said:I'm sure he's not lying about other stuff though.'TexanFan02 said:About money AND having a passport. His lawyer just "forgot to mention" the last part.'BigSteelThrill said:Bond revoked. Lying to the Judge.'TexanFan02 said:
George Zimbecile is his own worst enemy
George Zimbecile is his own worst enemyIf you (anyone) hasn't read the whole oops link, you should. I hope the judge doesn't consider a new bond hearing for a long time, if ever.
Anything you say can and will be used against you down?De la Rionda is also requesting a judge seal statements Zimmerman made to law enforcement officers, some of which may be used against him at trial because they were "inconsistent with the physical evidence and statements of witnesses."
I assume they want them sealed to the media UNTIL the trial, so your question doesn't make any sense.George Zimbecile is his own worst enemyIf you (anyone) hasn't read the whole oops link, you should. I hope the judge doesn't consider a new bond hearing for a long time, if ever.
Anything you say can and will be used against you down?De la Rionda is also requesting a judge seal statements Zimmerman made to law enforcement officers, some of which may be used against him at trial because they were "inconsistent with the physical evidence and statements of witnesses."
No. Did Zimmerman actually say anything about his finances at the bond hearing?Here's a question I have: is the fact that Zimmerman may have lied about his bond to the judge admissible at trial? Can it be used to challenge his credibility in general?
Yes.No. Did Zimmerman actually say anything about his finances at the bond hearing?Here's a question I have: is the fact that Zimmerman may have lied about his bond to the judge admissible at trial? Can it be used to challenge his credibility in general?
That's a lot of money donated to get Zimmerman off. How much more will be donated if the names of witnesses are released?Regarding Zimmerman's finances, Corey alleged that recorded phone calls in April between Zimmerman, while he was in Seminole County Jail, and his wife showed that the couple "spoke in code to hide what they were doing" regarding more than $135,000 in a credit union account belonging to the couple.
The money was apparently donated by members of the public to Zimmerman's website.
Zimmerman "fully controlled and participated in the transfer of money from the PayPal account to defendant and his wife's credit union accounts," Corey said in court records. "This occurred prior to the time defendant was arguing to the court that he was indigent and his wife had no money."
De la Rionda also voiced worries about witnesses being "reluctant to testify" for fear that their privacy would be violated and other witnesses being "harassed by media representatives."
Specifically, the state wants the names and addresses of witnesses kept out of the public record.
I think everything he said was directly related to his unwelcomed apology. But O'Mara did say that George and his family had informed him that they were extremely limited financially. Corey is calling the wife a liar and based on the tapes, I think that is fair. So, since George himself didn't speak personally to his finances then this doesn't fall back on him even though his attorney said George said he was broke? Just askin'.No. Did Zimmerman actually say anything about his finances at the bond hearing?Here's a question I have: is the fact that Zimmerman may have lied about his bond to the judge admissible at trial? Can it be used to challenge his credibility in general?
It's irrelevant.I think everything he said was directly related to his unwelcomed apology. But O'Mara did say that George and his family had informed him that they were extremely limited financially. Corey is calling the wife a liar and based on the tapes, I think that is fair. So, since George himself didn't speak personally to his finances then this doesn't fall back on him even though his attorney said George said he was broke? Just askin'.No. Did Zimmerman actually say anything about his finances at the bond hearing?Here's a question I have: is the fact that Zimmerman may have lied about his bond to the judge admissible at trial? Can it be used to challenge his credibility in general?
Here's a question I have: is the fact that Zimmerman may have lied about his bond to the judge admissible at trial? Can it be used to challenge his credibility in general?
Seminole County Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. ordered Zimmerman to surrender to the county sheriff within 48 hours. Lester accused Zimmerman of having misrepresented how much money he had when his bond was originally set in April. Prosecutors say he had $135,000 at the time Zimmerman's wife, Shellie, told the court, under oath, that they were indigent.
Lester appeared angry that the court had not been told about the money. "Does your client get to sit there like a potted palm and let you lead me down the primrose path?" he asked Zimmerman's lawyer. "That's the issue."
The fact that he and his wife are liars is relevant.It's irrelevant.I think everything he said was directly related to his unwelcomed apology. But O'Mara did say that George and his family had informed him that they were extremely limited financially. Corey is calling the wife a liar and based on the tapes, I think that is fair. So, since George himself didn't speak personally to his finances then this doesn't fall back on him even though his attorney said George said he was broke? Just askin'.No. Did Zimmerman actually say anything about his finances at the bond hearing?Here's a question I have: is the fact that Zimmerman may have lied about his bond to the judge admissible at trial? Can it be used to challenge his credibility in general?
Had Zimmerman said anything about his finances at the bond hearing would that be relevant?It's irrelevant.I think everything he said was directly related to his unwelcomed apology. But O'Mara did say that George and his family had informed him that they were extremely limited financially. Corey is calling the wife a liar and based on the tapes, I think that is fair. So, since George himself didn't speak personally to his finances then this doesn't fall back on him even though his attorney said George said he was broke? Just askin'.No. Did Zimmerman actually say anything about his finances at the bond hearing?Here's a question I have: is the fact that Zimmerman may have lied about his bond to the judge admissible at trial? Can it be used to challenge his credibility in general?
im guessing he meant it was irrelevant that zimmerman didnt mention it himself at the bond hearing.He`s still responsibleHad Zimmerman said anything about his finances at the bond hearing would that be relevant?It's irrelevant.I think everything he said was directly related to his unwelcomed apology. But O'Mara did say that George and his family had informed him that they were extremely limited financially. Corey is calling the wife a liar and based on the tapes, I think that is fair. So, since George himself didn't speak personally to his finances then this doesn't fall back on him even though his attorney said George said he was broke? Just askin'.No. Did Zimmerman actually say anything about his finances at the bond hearing?Here's a question I have: is the fact that Zimmerman may have lied about his bond to the judge admissible at trial? Can it be used to challenge his credibility in general?
Maybe in that vacuum between your ears.The fact that he and his wife are liars is relevant.It's irrelevant.I think everything he said was directly related to his unwelcomed apology. But O'Mara did say that George and his family had informed him that they were extremely limited financially. Corey is calling the wife a liar and based on the tapes, I think that is fair. So, since George himself didn't speak personally to his finances then this doesn't fall back on him even though his attorney said George said he was broke? Just askin'.No. Did Zimmerman actually say anything about his finances at the bond hearing?Here's a question I have: is the fact that Zimmerman may have lied about his bond to the judge admissible at trial? Can it be used to challenge his credibility in general?
His lawyer alleged it in his bond motion. He's a big fat liar.im guessing he meant it was irrelevant that zimmerman didnt mention it himself at the bond hearing.He`s still responsibleHad Zimmerman said anything about his finances at the bond hearing would that be relevant?It's irrelevant.I think everything he said was directly related to his unwelcomed apology. But O'Mara did say that George and his family had informed him that they were extremely limited financially. Corey is calling the wife a liar and based on the tapes, I think that is fair. So, since George himself didn't speak personally to his finances then this doesn't fall back on him even though his attorney said George said he was broke? Just askin'.No. Did Zimmerman actually say anything about his finances at the bond hearing?Here's a question I have: is the fact that Zimmerman may have lied about his bond to the judge admissible at trial? Can it be used to challenge his credibility in general?
Guess again. It's irrelevant to the trial.im guessing he meant it was irrelevant that zimmerman didnt mention it himself at the bond hearing.He`s still responsibleHad Zimmerman said anything about his finances at the bond hearing would that be relevant?It's irrelevant.I think everything he said was directly related to his unwelcomed apology. But O'Mara did say that George and his family had informed him that they were extremely limited financially. Corey is calling the wife a liar and based on the tapes, I think that is fair. So, since George himself didn't speak personally to his finances then this doesn't fall back on him even though his attorney said George said he was broke? Just askin'.No. Did Zimmerman actually say anything about his finances at the bond hearing?Here's a question I have: is the fact that Zimmerman may have lied about his bond to the judge admissible at trial? Can it be used to challenge his credibility in general?
Don't have a leg to stand on, so make stuff up and start with the insults? Classic Christo.Maybe in that vacuum between your ears.The fact that he and his wife are liars is relevant.It's irrelevant.I think everything he said was directly related to his unwelcomed apology. But O'Mara did say that George and his family had informed him that they were extremely limited financially. Corey is calling the wife a liar and based on the tapes, I think that is fair. So, since George himself didn't speak personally to his finances then this doesn't fall back on him even though his attorney said George said he was broke? Just askin'.No. Did Zimmerman actually say anything about his finances at the bond hearing?Here's a question I have: is the fact that Zimmerman may have lied about his bond to the judge admissible at trial? Can it be used to challenge his credibility in general?
Don't have a leg to stand on, so make stuff up and start with the insults? Classic Christo.Maybe in that vacuum between your ears.The fact that he and his wife are liars is relevant.It's irrelevant.I think everything he said was directly related to his unwelcomed apology. But O'Mara did say that George and his family had informed him that they were extremely limited financially. Corey is calling the wife a liar and based on the tapes, I think that is fair. So, since George himself didn't speak personally to his finances then this doesn't fall back on him even though his attorney said George said he was broke? Just askin'.No. Did Zimmerman actually say anything about his finances at the bond hearing?Here's a question I have: is the fact that Zimmerman may have lied about his bond to the judge admissible at trial? Can it be used to challenge his credibility in general?
There we go.Don't have a leg to stand on, so make stuff up and start with the insults? Classic Christo.Maybe in that vacuum between your ears.The fact that he and his wife are liars is relevant.It's irrelevant.I think everything he said was directly related to his unwelcomed apology. But O'Mara did say that George and his family had informed him that they were extremely limited financially. Corey is calling the wife a liar and based on the tapes, I think that is fair. So, since George himself didn't speak personally to his finances then this doesn't fall back on him even though his attorney said George said he was broke? Just askin'.No. Did Zimmerman actually say anything about his finances at the bond hearing?Here's a question I have: is the fact that Zimmerman may have lied about his bond to the judge admissible at trial? Can it be used to challenge his credibility in general?![]()
who said it was?Guess again. It's irrelevant to the trial.im guessing he meant it was irrelevant that zimmerman didnt mention it himself at the bond hearing.He`s still responsibleHad Zimmerman said anything about his finances at the bond hearing would that be relevant?It's irrelevant.I think everything he said was directly related to his unwelcomed apology. But O'Mara did say that George and his family had informed him that they were extremely limited financially. Corey is calling the wife a liar and based on the tapes, I think that is fair. So, since George himself didn't speak personally to his finances then this doesn't fall back on him even though his attorney said George said he was broke? Just askin'.No. Did Zimmerman actually say anything about his finances at the bond hearing?Here's a question I have: is the fact that Zimmerman may have lied about his bond to the judge admissible at trial? Can it be used to challenge his credibility in general?
Regarding Zimmerman's finances, Corey alleged that recorded phone calls in April between Zimmerman, while he was in Seminole County Jail, and his wife showed that the couple "spoke in code to hide what they were doing" regarding more than $135,000 in a credit union account belonging to the couple. The money was apparently donated by members of the public to Zimmerman's website.
Zimmerman "fully controlled and participated in the transfer of money from the PayPal account to defendant and his wife's credit union accounts," Corey said in court records. "This occurred prior to the time defendant was arguing to the court that he was indigent and his wife had no money."
In late April, Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said that the money raised by the website was put into a trust account that the attorney controls. But Corey stated in court documents Friday: "The money still belongs to defendant and he can demand it at any time."
Define 'money'./ZimmermanHere's a question I have: is the fact that Zimmerman may have lied about his bond to the judge admissible at trial? Can it be used to challenge his credibility in general?Seminole County Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. ordered Zimmerman to surrender to the county sheriff within 48 hours. Lester accused Zimmerman of having misrepresented how much money he had when his bond was originally set in April. Prosecutors say he had $135,000 at the time Zimmerman's wife, Shellie, told the court, under oath, that they were indigent.Lester appeared angry that the court had not been told about the money. "Does your client get to sit there like a potted palm and let you lead me down the primrose path?" he asked Zimmerman's lawyer. "That's the issue."
It's irrelevant.Define 'money'./Zimmerman
Read what you've quoted and get back to us.who said it was?Guess again. It's irrelevant to the trial.im guessing he meant it was irrelevant that zimmerman didnt mention it himself at the bond hearing.He`s still responsibleHad Zimmerman said anything about his finances at the bond hearing would that be relevant?It's irrelevant.I think everything he said was directly related to his unwelcomed apology. But O'Mara did say that George and his family had informed him that they were extremely limited financially. Corey is calling the wife a liar and based on the tapes, I think that is fair. So, since George himself didn't speak personally to his finances then this doesn't fall back on him even though his attorney said George said he was broke? Just askin'.No. Did Zimmerman actually say anything about his finances at the bond hearing?Here's a question I have: is the fact that Zimmerman may have lied about his bond to the judge admissible at trial? Can it be used to challenge his credibility in general?
SANFORD, FL -- The credibility of Trayvon Martin's shooter could be an issue at trial after a judge said that George Zimmerman and his wife lied to the court about their finances to obtain a bond, legal experts say.That's because the case hinges on jurors believing his account of what happened the night the 17-year-old was killed.The questioning of Zimmerman's truthfulness by the judge on Friday could undermine his credibility if it is brought up at trial. It also may complicate how his defense presents him as a witness, said Orlando-area attorney Randy McClean, who is a former prosecutor. "The other key witness, unfortunately, is deceased," McClean said. "Basically, Zimmerman is going to be asking the jury to believe his version of the facts. ... As the case stands now, his credibility is absolutely critical to the case."Guess again. It's irrelevant to the trial.im guessing he meant it was irrelevant that zimmerman didnt mention it himself at the bond hearing.He`s still responsibleHad Zimmerman said anything about his finances at the bond hearing would that be relevant?It's irrelevant.I think everything he said was directly related to his unwelcomed apology. But O'Mara did say that George and his family had informed him that they were extremely limited financially. Corey is calling the wife a liar and based on the tapes, I think that is fair. So, since George himself didn't speak personally to his finances then this doesn't fall back on him even though his attorney said George said he was broke? Just askin'.No. Did Zimmerman actually say anything about his finances at the bond hearing?Here's a question I have: is the fact that Zimmerman may have lied about his bond to the judge admissible at trial? Can it be used to challenge his credibility in general?
It's not that interesting. He's wrong a lot, he just never admits it so it lulls people into thinking he knows what he's talking about.Wow, so Christo is wrong about this? Interesting.
What did Zimmerman say that was untruthful?Wow, so Christo is wrong about this? Interesting.
It's not that interesting. He's wrong a lot, he just never admits it so it lulls people into thinking he knows what he's talking about.Wow, so Christo is wrong about this? Interesting.
Both McClean and Hill said O'Mara would be able to challenge the admissibility of the bond revocation at trial by questioning its relevance.
So you're saying you MIGHT be right? Baby steps, Christo, baby steps.It's not that interesting. He's wrong a lot, he just never admits it so it lulls people into thinking he knows what he's talking about.Wow, so Christo is wrong about this? Interesting.Both McClean and Hill said O'Mara would be able to challenge the admissibility of the bond revocation at trial by questioning its relevance.
It's irrelevant.So you're saying you MIGHT be right? Baby steps, Christo, baby steps.It's not that interesting. He's wrong a lot, he just never admits it so it lulls people into thinking he knows what he's talking about.Wow, so Christo is wrong about this? Interesting.Both McClean and Hill said O'Mara would be able to challenge the admissibility of the bond revocation at trial by questioning its relevance.
I dunno. The legal experts in that article seem to contradict your assertion that it's irrelevant, that's all. Obviously, Zimmerman's attorney will seek to make this whole line of questioning inadmissibile, and just as obviously you agree with him. But that doesn't make you correct that it WILL be inadmissible. Guess we'll find out. Mind you, I'm not challenging you myself. I don't know enough to do so. But according to the article, legal experts, including former prosecutors, do disagree.What did Zimmerman say that was untruthful?Wow, so Christo is wrong about this? Interesting.
These legal experts both agreed.Wow, so Christo is wrong about this? Interesting.
That's agreeing Christo may be right while further stoking the story's fuel. I think the relevance might be an interesting argument.Both McClean and Hill said O'Mara would be able to challenge the admissibility of the bond revocation at trial by questioning its relevance.
That he didnt have money, by way of not correcting the statement that he and his wife didn't have money.And then trying to hide the very fact that he did have money, knew about it and willfully tried to use deception to keep it hidden.What did Zimmerman say that was untruthful?Wow, so Christo is wrong about this? Interesting.
So he didn't say anything.That he didnt have money, by way of not correcting the statement that he and his wife didn't have money.And then trying to hide the very fact that he did have money, knew about it and willfully tried to use deception to keep it hidden.What did Zimmerman say that was untruthful?Wow, so Christo is wrong about this? Interesting.
Doesn't matter. He was fully aware and proceeded to deceive the court.So he didn't say anything.That he didnt have money, by way of not correcting the statement that he and his wife didn't have money.And then trying to hide the very fact that he did have money, knew about it and willfully tried to use deception to keep it hidden.What did Zimmerman say that was untruthful?Wow, so Christo is wrong about this? Interesting.
When I originally asked the question of whether or not this was admissible at trial, Christo didn't respond, "I'm not sure, but the defense will certainly challenge it, and personally I don't think it should be admissible." Instead he answered, "No." and "It's irrelevant." Christo makes these dogmatic statements as if he's the sole authority of our legal system, rarely if ever explains himself, and insults anyone who disagrees with him. In this case, it sounds like the admissibility of this stuff is an open question. And that makes Christo wrong.These legal experts both agreed.Wow, so Christo is wrong about this? Interesting.That's agreeing Christo may be right while further stoking the story's fuel. I think the relevance might be an interesting argument.Both McClean and Hill said O'Mara would be able to challenge the admissibility of the bond revocation at trial by questioning its relevance.
How did he deceive the court?Doesn't matter. He was fully aware and proceeded to deceive the court.So he didn't say anything.That he didnt have money, by way of not correcting the statement that he and his wife didn't have money.And then trying to hide the very fact that he did have money, knew about it and willfully tried to use deception to keep it hidden.What did Zimmerman say that was untruthful?Wow, so Christo is wrong about this? Interesting.
When I originally asked the question of whether or not this was admissible at trial, Christo didn't respond, "I'm not sure, but the defense will certainly challenge it, and personally I don't think it should be admissible." Instead he answered, "No." and "It's irrelevant." Christo makes these dogmatic statements as if he's the sole authority of our legal system, rarely if ever explains himself, and insults anyone who disagrees with him. In this case, it sounds like the admissibility of this stuff is an open question. And that makes Christo wrong.These legal experts both agreed.Wow, so Christo is wrong about this? Interesting.That's agreeing Christo may be right while further stoking the story's fuel. I think the relevance might be an interesting argument.Both McClean and Hill said O'Mara would be able to challenge the admissibility of the bond revocation at trial by questioning its relevance.
By lying about his financial status. If not in court, than he gave deceptive information to his attorney. Lying either way.How did he deceive the court?Doesn't matter. He was fully aware and proceeded to deceive the court.So he didn't say anything.That he didnt have money, by way of not correcting the statement that he and his wife didn't have money.And then trying to hide the very fact that he did have money, knew about it and willfully tried to use deception to keep it hidden.What did Zimmerman say that was untruthful?Wow, so Christo is wrong about this? Interesting.
Of course they would challenge it, thats there job. Its very hurtful to there clients believabilityThese legal experts both agreed.Wow, so Christo is wrong about this? Interesting.That's agreeing Christo may be right while further stoking the story's fuel. I think the relevance might be an interesting argument.Both McClean and Hill said O'Mara would be able to challenge the admissibility of the bond revocation at trial by questioning its relevance.
But you just said he didn't say anything. How could he lie if he didn't say anything?By lying about his financial status. If not in court, than he gave deceptive information to his attorney. Lying either way.How did he deceive the court?Doesn't matter. He was fully aware and proceeded to deceive the court.So he didn't say anything.That he didnt have money, by way of not correcting the statement that he and his wife didn't have money.And then trying to hide the very fact that he did have money, knew about it and willfully tried to use deception to keep it hidden.What did Zimmerman say that was untruthful?Wow, so Christo is wrong about this? Interesting.