Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (4 Viewers)

[Hang 10]

 

[Witz]

OK, the point about him being out of the car is something I forgot and important. If you believe that he did not initiate the confrontation.

The fact that a dispatcher is not a cop and not allowed to order someone doesn't mean his advice was not good advice.

Unfortunately it was advice Zimm should have received well before that stage in the process.

Unless of course you think he should have been checking Tray out in the first place.

Fair enough. Regarding the advice, the juror did note that the advice received from the operator was conflicting (let me know if he does anything, ok?; he's running? which way is he running?; which entrance is it that he's heading towards?). It was only when it sounded like he was running did the operator ask if he was following him and when he responded yes, did the operator say ok we don't need you to do that, which he responded ok.

Zimmerman claimed he stopped following him but was continuing down the path to get the address and it was on his way back down the path that he was jumped. Whether that's true or not, no one knows with 100% certainty (except Zimmerman and Martin).

 

[TobiasFunke]

Lemme clear this up for all you court stenographers

If you aren't trying to be an obstinate blowhard unwilling to see anyone else POV

Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that. = Advising Zimm to not follow Trayvon

This is wrong too.

"We don't need you to do that" <> "Don't do that."

It is in this context.

Take a break from the word-parsing here and apply a little common sense. Everyone has a pretty good idea what he meant. If he'd emphasized the word "need," then maybe you could say he meant to convey that he could do it if he wanted. But that's now how it was said. He asked if he was pursuing and when ZImmerman say yes he immediately says "we don't need you to do that." It's blatantly obvious that he's telling the guy not to do it.

I'm fine with the verdict and I disagree with most of the crazy stuff people who criticize it are saying. But come on. He's clearly advised that he shouldn't pursue, and he disregards that advice at least to some degree- otherwise there would have been no meeting. That doesn't make Zimmerman guilty of a crime, but its more evidence that he's an idiot. Not that we needed more.

 

[Witz]

Lemme clear this up for all you court stenographers

If you aren't trying to be an obstinate blowhard unwilling to see anyone else POV

Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that. = Advising Zimm to not follow Trayvon

This is wrong too.

"We don't need you to do that" <> "Don't do that."

It is in this context.

Take a break from the word-parsing here and apply a little common sense. Everyone has a pretty good idea what he meant. If he'd emphasized the word "need," then maybe you could say he meant to convey that he could do it if he wanted. But that's now how it was said. It's blatantly obvious that he's telling the guy not to do it.

I'm fine with the verdict and I hate and most of the crazy stuff people who criticize it are saying. But come on. He's clearly advised that he shouldn't pursue, and he disregards that advice.

Agree with everything you wrote till the last part of the last sentence. No one knows whether or not he disregarded that advice. No one. Folks stand on either side of that point and can make points to support their side, but no one knows except for Zimmerman or Martin whether that's true or not.

 

[jonessed]

Lemme clear this up for all you court stenographers

If you aren't trying to be an obstinate blowhard unwilling to see anyone else POV

Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that. = Advising Zimm to not follow Trayvon

This is wrong too.

"We don't need you to do that" <> "Don't do that."

It is in this context.

Take a break from the word-parsing here and apply a little common sense. Everyone has a pretty good idea what he meant. If he'd emphasized the word "need," then maybe you could say he meant to convey that he could do it if he wanted. But that's now how it was said. It's blatantly obvious that he's telling the guy not to do it.

I'm fine with the verdict and I hate and most of the crazy stuff people who criticize it are saying. But come on. He's clearly advised that he shouldn't pursue, and he disregards that advice.

We really don't know if he disregarded it. The call was taken as he was walking to get an address (or following Martin if you believe that). The confrontation happened shortly after. Nobody but Zimmerman and Martin know if he was returning to the car or following.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Lemme clear this up for all you court stenographers

If you aren't trying to be an obstinate blowhard unwilling to see anyone else POV

Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that. = Advising Zimm to not follow Trayvon

This is wrong too.

"We don't need you to do that" <> "Don't do that."

It is in this context.

Take a break from the word-parsing here and apply a little common sense. Everyone has a pretty good idea what he meant. If he'd emphasized the word "need," then maybe you could say he meant to convey that he could do it if he wanted. But that's now how it was said. It's blatantly obvious that he's telling the guy not to do it.

I'm fine with the verdict and I hate and most of the crazy stuff people who criticize it are saying. But come on. He's clearly advised that he shouldn't pursue, and he disregards that advice.

We really don't know if he disregarded it. The call was taken as he was walking to get an address (or following Martin if you believe that). The confrontation happened shortly after. Nobody but Zimmerman and Martin know if he was returning to the car or following.

Yeah I edited my post.

 

[jonessed]

Lemme clear this up for all you court stenographers

If you aren't trying to be an obstinate blowhard unwilling to see anyone else POV

Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that. = Advising Zimm to not follow Trayvon

This is wrong too.

"We don't need you to do that" <> "Don't do that."

It is in this context.

Take a break from the word-parsing here and apply a little common sense. Everyone has a pretty good idea what he meant. If he'd emphasized the word "need," then maybe you could say he meant to convey that he could do it if he wanted. But that's now how it was said. It's blatantly obvious that he's telling the guy not to do it.

I'm fine with the verdict and I hate and most of the crazy stuff people who criticize it are saying. But come on. He's clearly advised that he shouldn't pursue, and he disregards that advice.

Agree with everything you wrote till the last part of the last sentence. No one knows whether or not he disregarded that advice. No one. Folks stand on either side of that point and can make points to support their side, but no one knows except for Zimmerman or Martin whether that's true or not.

 

[Witz]

Lemme clear this up for all you court stenographers

If you aren't trying to be an obstinate blowhard unwilling to see anyone else POV

Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that. = Advising Zimm to not follow Trayvon

This is wrong too.

"We don't need you to do that" <> "Don't do that."

It is in this context.

Take a break from the word-parsing here and apply a little common sense. Everyone has a pretty good idea what he meant. If he'd emphasized the word "need," then maybe you could say he meant to convey that he could do it if he wanted. But that's now how it was said. It's blatantly obvious that he's telling the guy not to do it.

I'm fine with the verdict and I hate and most of the crazy stuff people who criticize it are saying. But come on. He's clearly advised that he shouldn't pursue, and he disregards that advice.

Agree with everything you wrote till the last part of the last sentence. No one knows whether or not he disregarded that advice. No one. Folks stand on either side of that point and can make points to support their side, but no one knows except for Zimmerman or Martin whether that's true or not.

Nevermind - you edited your post.

 

[17seconds]

Whatever. The police investigator felt the same way. Just because Zimmerman is not dead, does not mean his situation is not sympathetic. She no way implied TM did not have it worse than GZ. You are just reaching for stuff to hate her for.

Are you serious? You take from her comments that she's a racist only because she believed Zimmermans narrative after hearing all of the evidence presented at the trial? WTF is wrong with some of you people.

Have you watched the interview? This woman is not a person who is uncertain what happened and ruled not guilty because of reasonable doubt, which seems to describe most of the people in this thread and in the country from what I can tell.

I did not go into it reaching to hate her. As a matter of fact quite the opposite. I watched part of it at first (live), then rewatched the entire interview the 2nd time. The first time I heard it I was really impressed with her. She was clearly upset from the stress of the decision. She is also intelligent which made me glad we didn't have a jury full of morons. But then I watched the whole thing a 2nd time and was struck by all the things I mentioned. Sorry, I expected her to attribute most of this emotion I was seeing to TM's death and the difficulty with having to follow the law and rule not guilty. But nope. It's actually directed toward GZ and his plight. He can be on her neighborhood watch anytime as long as he keeps cool. Disgusting.

EDIT: Anderson Cooper asks you if you'd have GZ on your neighborhood watch and you don't immediately say "No"? WTF is with that? Yes, please let's have the guy on our streets with a propensity to kill teenagers when he gets into trouble.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Lemme clear this up for all you court stenographers

If you aren't trying to be an obstinate blowhard unwilling to see anyone else POV

Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that. = Advising Zimm to not follow Trayvon

This is wrong too.

"We don't need you to do that" <> "Don't do that."

It is in this context.

Take a break from the word-parsing here and apply a little common sense. Everyone has a pretty good idea what he meant. If he'd emphasized the word "need," then maybe you could say he meant to convey that he could do it if he wanted. But that's now how it was said. He asked if he was pursuing and when ZImmerman say yes he immediately says "we don't need you to do that." It's blatantly obvious that he's telling the guy not to do it.

I'm fine with the verdict and I disagree with most of the crazy stuff people who criticize it are saying. But come on. He's clearly advised that he shouldn't pursue, and he disregards that advice at least to some degree- otherwise there would have been no meeting. That doesn't make Zimmerman guilty of a crime, but its more evidence that he's an idiot. Not that we needed more.

I agree that Zimmerman is an idiot and there's no question he should have followed the dispatcher's advice. I'm just saying that people are flatly wrong when they say that Zimmerman disobeyed a direct order. Nobody who gives orders ever phrases one like this.

 

[Witz]

Whatever. The police investigator felt the same way. Just because Zimmerman is not dead, does not mean his situation is not sympathetic. She no way implied TM did not have it worse than GZ. You are just reaching for stuff to hate her for.

Are you serious? You take from her comments that she's a racist only because she believed Zimmermans narrative after hearing all of the evidence presented at the trial? WTF is wrong with some of you people.

Have you watched the interview? This woman is not a person who is uncertain what happened and ruled not guilty because of reasonable doubt, which seems to describe most of the people in this thread and in the country from what I can tell.

I did not go into it reaching to hate her. As a matter of fact quite the opposite. I watched part of it at first (live), then rewatched the entire interview the 2nd time. The first time I heard it I was really impressed with her. She was clearly upset from the stress of the decision. She is also intelligent which made me glad we didn't have a jury full of morons. But then I watched the whole thing a 2nd time and was struck by all the things I mentioned. Sorry, I expected her to attribute most of this emotion I was seeing to TM's death and the difficulty with having to follow the law and rule not guilty. But nope. It's actually directed toward GZ and his plight. He can be on her neighborhood watch anytime as long as he keeps cool. Disgusting.

Sorry but I can accept you not agreeing with her statements or not believing what she's saying or not seeing the emotion you expected - I guess the part that got me to post was the comment about her being a racist (latently as it was). Folks seem to throw that term around too easily these days and that's what I really took issue with.

 

[Spanky267]

The Onion weighs in.

Its a humorous article in one sense. It also gets to the fact that jurors have to weight the facts. But some of the stuff in that article/commentary/parody are not accurate. Nearly every state in the Union has similar self defense laws. SYG did not apply here. Common self defense law did.

 

[jamny]

OK, the point about him being out of the car is something I forgot and important. If you believe that he did not initiate the confrontation.

The fact that a dispatcher is not a cop and not allowed to order someone doesn't mean his advice was not good advice.

Unfortunately it was advice Zimm should have received well before that stage in the process.

Unless of course you think he should have been checking Tray out in the first place.

Fair enough. Regarding the advice, the juror did note that the advice received from the operator was conflicting (let me know if he does anything, ok?; he's running? which way is he running?; which entrance is it that he's heading towards?). It was only when it sounded like he was running did the operator ask if he was following him and when he responded yes, did the operator say ok we don't need you to do that, which he responded ok.

Zimmerman claimed he stopped following him but was continuing down the path to get the address and it was on his way back down the path that he was jumped. Whether that's true or not, no one knows with 100% certainty (except Zimmerman and Martin).

The bolded is the point that many people fail to realize. He went to the end of the T and was walking back. TM had plenty of time by that point to continue on his way but for some reason stuck around or came back The timeline alone indicates that. It still doesn't define who started the fight but it is an important part of the story.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

The patronizing, arrogant "I told you so" tone of many people in this thread is hard for me to stomach.

1. I love Dershowitz, but he is wrong. Of course this case should have gone to trial. Zimmerman should have been charged with manslaughter(not murder 2). The prosecution could have won this case on the evidence had they been competent. Zimmerman deserves to be in prison right now, and he's not because the state blew it.

2. Zimmerman is not going to be suing any media outlets. If he did he'd get his ### kicked in court.

3. Zimmerman is not going to be found immune from a civil lawsuit which is already in place. Zimmerman will be forced to take the stand, reasonable doubt is removed, so I believe he will likely lose this lawsuit.

4. Many of you "I told you so" crowd were also predicting widespread rioting. Are you willing to admit that you were wrong about that?

I'm imagining a gif directed at you, of a smiling George Zimmerman with sunglasses slowly descending from above and coming to a rest on his face with the message "Deal with it" popping up above his head.

Like this?

 

[Gawain]

EDIT: Anderson Cooper asks you if you'd have GZ on your neighborhood watch and you don't immediately say "No"? WTF is with that? Yes, please let's have the guy on our streets with a propensity to kill teenagers when he gets into trouble.

I'd like to have GZ on my neighborhood watch. Guy was on top of it. The woman who suffered the home invasion made him sound like a pretty good watch captain.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

2. "George Zimmerman ignored an order to not follow Trayvon Martin and initiated the physical confrontation."

He was not ordered not to follow Trayvon Martin. The 911 dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that."

This is the dumbest, most semantically driven argument I have ever heard in this case. So what? People also love making the point that a dispatcher is not a police officer. Who cares? Zimm called 911, was advised to stay in the car by the person he called, and ignored that advice. Because he ignored that advice, and all neighborhood watch bylaws and training, a kid is dead. No one has ever disagreed that had Zimm just remained in his car, nothing happens.

Who advised him to stay in his car?

Do you think you're making some awesome, salient gotcha point here, when I've already said how stupid it is to rely purely on semantics to make a point?

No, I think someone needs to watch a few more hours of the trial before they regurgitate nonsense they hear in the MSM, come into this thread and act all tough guy and ####.The only bit of truth in your entire post is this:

a kid is dead

 

[ArbyMelt]

Pure speculation here, and first I've heard of this, but maybe there is more to the Skittles

http://www.examiner.com/article/trayvon-s-skittles-arizona-tea-and-something-called-purple-drank

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Pure speculation here, and first I've heard of this, but maybe there is more to the Skittles

http://www.examiner.com/article/trayvon-s-skittles-arizona-tea-and-something-called-purple-drank

 

[Witz]

Lemme clear this up for all you court stenographers

If you aren't trying to be an obstinate blowhard unwilling to see anyone else POV

Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that. = Advising Zimm to not follow Trayvon

This is wrong too.

"We don't need you to do that" <> "Don't do that."

It is in this context.

Take a break from the word-parsing here and apply a little common sense. Everyone has a pretty good idea what he meant. If he'd emphasized the word "need," then maybe you could say he meant to convey that he could do it if he wanted. But that's now how it was said. It's blatantly obvious that he's telling the guy not to do it.

I'm fine with the verdict and I hate and most of the crazy stuff people who criticize it are saying. But come on. He's clearly advised that he shouldn't pursue, and he disregards that advice.

Agree with everything you wrote till the last part of the last sentence. No one knows whether or not he disregarded that advice. No one. Folks stand on either side of that point and can make points to support their side, but no one knows except for Zimmerman or Martin whether that's true or not.

Just saw this - tie goes to the winner.

 

[drummer]

Pure speculation here, and first I've heard of this, but maybe there is more to the Skittles

http://www.examiner.com/article/trayvon-s-skittles-arizona-tea-and-something-called-purple-drank

What ever happened to just sniffing good old fashioned glue?

 

[Spanky267]

Pure speculation here, and first I've heard of this, but maybe there is more to the Skittles

http://www.examiner.com/article/trayvon-s-skittles-arizona-tea-and-something-called-purple-drank

What ever happened to just sniffing good old fashioned glue?

Or gold spray paint

 

[17seconds]

EDIT: Anderson Cooper asks you if you'd have GZ on your neighborhood watch and you don't immediately say "No"? WTF is with that? Yes, please let's have the guy on our streets with a propensity to kill teenagers when he gets into trouble.

I'd like to have GZ on my neighborhood watch. Guy was on top of it. The woman who suffered the home invasion made him sound like a pretty good watch captain.

Neighborhood watch position available. Must pack heat. Wannabe cop willing follow anyone suspicious desired. P###y incapable of defending himself with non-lethal force a definite plus.

 

[jonessed]

Whatever. The police investigator felt the same way. Just because Zimmerman is not dead, does not mean his situation is not sympathetic. She no way implied TM did not have it worse than GZ. You are just reaching for stuff to hate her for.

Are you serious? You take from her comments that she's a racist only because she believed Zimmermans narrative after hearing all of the evidence presented at the trial? WTF is wrong with some of you people.

Have you watched the interview? This woman is not a person who is uncertain what happened and ruled not guilty because of reasonable doubt, which seems to describe most of the people in this thread and in the country from what I can tell.

I did not go into it reaching to hate her. As a matter of fact quite the opposite. I watched part of it at first (live), then rewatched the entire interview the 2nd time. The first time I heard it I was really impressed with her. She was clearly upset from the stress of the decision. She is also intelligent which made me glad we didn't have a jury full of morons. But then I watched the whole thing a 2nd time and was struck by all the things I mentioned. Sorry, I expected her to attribute most of this emotion I was seeing to TM's death and the difficulty with having to follow the law and rule not guilty. But nope. It's actually directed toward GZ and his plight. He can be on her neighborhood watch anytime as long as he keeps cool. Disgusting.

EDIT: Anderson Cooper asks you if you'd have GZ on your neighborhood watch and you don't immediately say "No"? WTF is with that? Yes, please let's have the guy on our streets with a propensity to kill teenagers when he gets into trouble.

If the evidence led her to believe Martin jumped Zimmerman then I don't see why she wouldn't want him to continue in his role in Neighborhood Watch.

 

[drummer]

Whatever. The police investigator felt the same way. Just because Zimmerman is not dead, does not mean his situation is not sympathetic. She no way implied TM did not have it worse than GZ. You are just reaching for stuff to hate her for.

Are you serious? You take from her comments that she's a racist only because she believed Zimmermans narrative after hearing all of the evidence presented at the trial? WTF is wrong with some of you people.

Have you watched the interview? This woman is not a person who is uncertain what happened and ruled not guilty because of reasonable doubt, which seems to describe most of the people in this thread and in the country from what I can tell.

I did not go into it reaching to hate her. As a matter of fact quite the opposite. I watched part of it at first (live), then rewatched the entire interview the 2nd time. The first time I heard it I was really impressed with her. She was clearly upset from the stress of the decision. She is also intelligent which made me glad we didn't have a jury full of morons. But then I watched the whole thing a 2nd time and was struck by all the things I mentioned. Sorry, I expected her to attribute most of this emotion I was seeing to TM's death and the difficulty with having to follow the law and rule not guilty. But nope. It's actually directed toward GZ and his plight. He can be on her neighborhood watch anytime as long as he keeps cool. Disgusting.

EDIT: Anderson Cooper asks you if you'd have GZ on your neighborhood watch and you don't immediately say "No"? WTF is with that? Yes, please let's have the guy on our streets with a propensity to kill teenagers when he gets into trouble.

If the evidence led her to believe Martin jumped Zimmerman then I don't see why she wouldn't want him to continue in his role in Neighborhood Watch.

Gimme Ice Cube to watch my neighborhood. If he didn't even have to use his AK, I guess it was a good day.

 

[kentric]

Who is arguing that the jury was racist?


Rachel Jeantel all but called them racist last night on CNN (saying they found Zimmerman not guilty because they were all white IS a racist comment).

Mark Geragos and Sonny Hostin said it last night on AC360

How can that be? Tim doesn't believe anyone is saying that!!!

Tim is saying "reasonable people" aren't saying it.

Well I have always felt that CNN and MSNBC were unreasonable, FNC too. I guess since Tim said reasonable people werent sayng it we can now imply that everyone who made the implication that the jury was racist or not representative of the views of the victim is unreasonable. Melissa Harris-Perry, Mark Geragos, Piers Morgan, Sonny Hostin, Eugene Robinson and a host of others on the major cable news networks.

Exactly.

 

[drummer]

Who is arguing that the jury was racist?


Rachel Jeantel all but called them racist last night on CNN (saying they found Zimmerman not guilty because they were all white IS a racist comment).

Mark Geragos and Sonny Hostin said it last night on AC360

How can that be? Tim doesn't believe anyone is saying that!!!

Tim is saying "reasonable people" aren't saying it.

Well I have always felt that CNN and MSNBC were unreasonable, FNC too. I guess since Tim said reasonable people werent sayng it we can now imply that everyone who made the implication that the jury was racist or not representative of the views of the victim is unreasonable. Melissa Harris-Perry, Mark Geragos, Piers Morgan, Sonny Hostin, Eugene Robinson and a host of others on the major cable news networks.

Exactly.

If they were reasonable, they wouldn't be able to pad the ratings book.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Whatever. The police investigator felt the same way. Just because Zimmerman is not dead, does not mean his situation is not sympathetic. She no way implied TM did not have it worse than GZ. You are just reaching for stuff to hate her for.

Are you serious? You take from her comments that she's a racist only because she believed Zimmermans narrative after hearing all of the evidence presented at the trial? WTF is wrong with some of you people.

Have you watched the interview? This woman is not a person who is uncertain what happened and ruled not guilty because of reasonable doubt, which seems to describe most of the people in this thread and in the country from what I can tell.

I did not go into it reaching to hate her. As a matter of fact quite the opposite. I watched part of it at first (live), then rewatched the entire interview the 2nd time. The first time I heard it I was really impressed with her. She was clearly upset from the stress of the decision. She is also intelligent which made me glad we didn't have a jury full of morons. But then I watched the whole thing a 2nd time and was struck by all the things I mentioned. Sorry, I expected her to attribute most of this emotion I was seeing to TM's death and the difficulty with having to follow the law and rule not guilty. But nope. It's actually directed toward GZ and his plight. He can be on her neighborhood watch anytime as long as he keeps cool. Disgusting.

EDIT: Anderson Cooper asks you if you'd have GZ on your neighborhood watch and you don't immediately say "No"? WTF is with that? Yes, please let's have the guy on our streets with a propensity to kill teenagers when he gets into trouble.

If the evidence led her to believe Martin jumped Zimmerman then I don't see why she wouldn't want him to continue in his role in Neighborhood Watch.

If you were a juror on a rape trial and the evidence led you to believe that the victim may well have consented, would you want the guy dating your daughter or sister? Or would you maybe err on the side of caution?

I appreciate your faith in the criminal justice system, but I think 99.9% of people would probably err on the side of caution when it comes to hiring a guy who killed an unarmed kid for their neighborhood watch. Even if the kid was asking for it.

 

[kentric]

2. "George Zimmerman ignored an order to not follow Trayvon Martin and initiated the physical confrontation."

He was not ordered not to follow Trayvon Martin. The 911 dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that."

This is the dumbest, most semantically driven argument I have ever heard in this case. So what? People also love making the point that a dispatcher is not a police officer. Who cares? Zimm called 911, was advised to stay in the car by the person he called, and ignored that advice. Because he ignored that advice, and all neighborhood watch bylaws and training, a kid is dead. No one has ever disagreed that had Zimm just remained in his car, nothing happens.

Sorry you can't differentiate between a direct order and a suggestion, but it is what it is. According to Z, he stopped following TM when he was given the suggestion to stop.

No one here has ever disagreed that had TM gone the 300 feet to his father's house in 5 minutes that he would still be alive. Both TM and Z's actions were required to bring us where we are today.

 

[SofaKings]

Has Timsochets head exploded yet?

 

[kentric]

What Juror B37 said in the CNN interview was pretty outrageous, IMO. She has so much sympathy for GZ it is baffles me.

When asked if she felt sorry for TM she answered that she felt sorry for both of them. ok... Remember one person is an adult who is a free man and the other is a minor and dead. Didn't even hint that TM has it worse than GZ. She said TM attacked GZ because he was angry and fed up with GZ (where is the evidence for that?). She stated GZ's narrative (the defendant!) as completely true - expressing no doubt whatsoever. She said she thinks GZ would have treated any other person of any race the same way. She even said she would have GZ on her neighborhood watch. wow

I haven't been on the side of the Sharptons of the world, but if that attitude doesn't drive home the fact that black life has less meaning then I don't know what does. It's so latently racist it's incredible. No way in hell she gives all of those answers if it was a white middle class 17yo. No damn way.

Wrong. She said she thought he may have embelleshed it. She also said that he wasn't necessarily correct in that TM was going for the gun however, she thought he believed TM was going for the gun.

 

[Gawain]

EDIT: Anderson Cooper asks you if you'd have GZ on your neighborhood watch and you don't immediately say "No"? WTF is with that? Yes, please let's have the guy on our streets with a propensity to kill teenagers when he gets into trouble.

I'd like to have GZ on my neighborhood watch. Guy was on top of it. The woman who suffered the home invasion made him sound like a pretty good watch captain.

Neighborhood watch position available. Must pack heat. Wannabe cop willing follow anyone suspicious desired. P###y incapable of defending himself with non-lethal force a definite plus.

Sounds good to me. I'd prefer not to have people willing to fight at the smallest provocation in my neighborhood.

 

[Clifford]

The onion piece reflects exactly how I feel about this case

Especially this

Florida has laws that expressly allow anyone to use deadly force against another person if they feel threatened.

Does anyone dispute that this is exactly what the law allows?

 

[jonessed]

Whatever. The police investigator felt the same way. Just because Zimmerman is not dead, does not mean his situation is not sympathetic. She no way implied TM did not have it worse than GZ. You are just reaching for stuff to hate her for.

Are you serious? You take from her comments that she's a racist only because she believed Zimmermans narrative after hearing all of the evidence presented at the trial? WTF is wrong with some of you people.

Have you watched the interview? This woman is not a person who is uncertain what happened and ruled not guilty because of reasonable doubt, which seems to describe most of the people in this thread and in the country from what I can tell.

I did not go into it reaching to hate her. As a matter of fact quite the opposite. I watched part of it at first (live), then rewatched the entire interview the 2nd time. The first time I heard it I was really impressed with her. She was clearly upset from the stress of the decision. She is also intelligent which made me glad we didn't have a jury full of morons. But then I watched the whole thing a 2nd time and was struck by all the things I mentioned. Sorry, I expected her to attribute most of this emotion I was seeing to TM's death and the difficulty with having to follow the law and rule not guilty. But nope. It's actually directed toward GZ and his plight. He can be on her neighborhood watch anytime as long as he keeps cool. Disgusting.

EDIT: Anderson Cooper asks you if you'd have GZ on your neighborhood watch and you don't immediately say "No"? WTF is with that? Yes, please let's have the guy on our streets with a propensity to kill teenagers when he gets into trouble.

If the evidence led her to believe Martin jumped Zimmerman then I don't see why she wouldn't want him to continue in his role in Neighborhood Watch.

If you were a juror on a rape trial and the evidence led you to believe that the victim may well have consented, would you want the guy dating your daughter or sister? Or would you maybe err on the side of caution?

I appreciate your faith in the criminal justice system, but I think 99.9% of people would probably err on the side of caution when it comes to hiring a guy who killed an unarmed kid for their neighborhood watch. Even if the kid was asking for it.

I didn't watch the trial so I would error on the side of caution. This woman did though and appears pretty confident about what happened. From that perspective I don't see anything wrong with what she said.

 

[jonessed]

The onion piece reflects exactly how I feel about this case

Especially this

Florida has laws that expressly allow anyone to use deadly force against another person if they feel threatened.

Does anyone dispute that this is exactly what the law allows?

Yes. "Feel threatened" and sitting on your chest hitting you in the face are pretty far apart.

 

[Phil Elliott]

EDIT: Anderson Cooper asks you if you'd have GZ on your neighborhood watch and you don't immediately say "No"? WTF is with that? Yes, please let's have the guy on our streets with a propensity to kill teenagers when he gets into trouble.

I'd like to have GZ on my neighborhood watch. Guy was on top of it. The woman who suffered the home invasion made him sound like a pretty good watch captain.

In addition, I don't remember hearing about any witnesses (especially from the neighborhood) that characterized GZ as an aggressive/wannabe cop neighborhood watch type of person just looking for a reason to use his gun.

 

[larry_boy_44]

2. I believe that George Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter and should be in prison. But I allow for reasonable doubt, so I would have voted to acquit him.

WTH?

Why is this confusing? I think he did it. I can't prove it, so he walks.

So therefore you don't think he should be in prison and you would have found him Not Guilty of manslaughter.

I'm 95% sure he's guilty of manslaughter. I'm 95% sure he belongs in prison. The 5% of doubt, under our legal system, would force me to acquit him if I were on the jury.

HOWEVER- if I were on the jury of the upcoming civil trial, in which the standard is only 51%, Zimmerman would have to pay big time.

The thing I find most hilarious about your views is that they are 100% fed by the media who is being sued by George Zimmerman for lying about him...

And that's the only money he'd have to give up...

So you're saying that you'd award money that is given to Zimmermann based on the media lying about him because you believe the lies told by the media about him...

Doesn't that seem a little crazy? LOL

 

[TobiasFunke]

Whatever. The police investigator felt the same way. Just because Zimmerman is not dead, does not mean his situation is not sympathetic. She no way implied TM did not have it worse than GZ. You are just reaching for stuff to hate her for.

Are you serious? You take from her comments that she's a racist only because she believed Zimmermans narrative after hearing all of the evidence presented at the trial? WTF is wrong with some of you people.

Have you watched the interview? This woman is not a person who is uncertain what happened and ruled not guilty because of reasonable doubt, which seems to describe most of the people in this thread and in the country from what I can tell.

I did not go into it reaching to hate her. As a matter of fact quite the opposite. I watched part of it at first (live), then rewatched the entire interview the 2nd time. The first time I heard it I was really impressed with her. She was clearly upset from the stress of the decision. She is also intelligent which made me glad we didn't have a jury full of morons. But then I watched the whole thing a 2nd time and was struck by all the things I mentioned. Sorry, I expected her to attribute most of this emotion I was seeing to TM's death and the difficulty with having to follow the law and rule not guilty. But nope. It's actually directed toward GZ and his plight. He can be on her neighborhood watch anytime as long as he keeps cool. Disgusting.

EDIT: Anderson Cooper asks you if you'd have GZ on your neighborhood watch and you don't immediately say "No"? WTF is with that? Yes, please let's have the guy on our streets with a propensity to kill teenagers when he gets into trouble.

If the evidence led her to believe Martin jumped Zimmerman then I don't see why she wouldn't want him to continue in his role in Neighborhood Watch.

If you were a juror on a rape trial and the evidence led you to believe that the victim may well have consented, would you want the guy dating your daughter or sister? Or would you maybe err on the side of caution?

I appreciate your faith in the criminal justice system, but I think 99.9% of people would probably err on the side of caution when it comes to hiring a guy who killed an unarmed kid for their neighborhood watch. Even if the kid was asking for it.

I didn't watch the trial so I would error on the side of caution. This woman did though and appears pretty confident about what happened. From that perspective I don't see anything wrong with what she said.

In that case I'd have a problem with anyone who feels that confident about what happened in an event with only one eyewitness who also happens to be the defendant.

Either way her judgment seems a little off to me.

 

[GroveDiesel]

The onion piece reflects exactly how I feel about this case

Especially this

Florida has laws that expressly allow anyone to use deadly force against another person if they feel threatened.

Does anyone dispute that this is exactly what the law allows?

Anybody that actually knows the law would dispute that.

 

[renesauz]

Abraham, we're not supposed to give them reparations and we're not supposed to feel guilty. We're supposed to try to understand, and help where it makes sense. Personally I think more money toward education would be a good place to start. I don't think Republicans in Congress should be cutting off food stamps just when people need it most.

And I don't believe racists like George Zimmerman (and yes, I believe he is a racist!) should be allowed to shoot an unarmed black teen without repercussions. He should be in jail for manslaughter right now. Our society is better than this.

Nope....he should have just taken his beating and spent a few days in the ICU instead.

 

[17seconds]

I guess if some of you think it's cool - even preferable under the right circumstances - for your neighborhood watch to kill people then I got nothing for you.

 

[Clifford]

The onion piece reflects exactly how I feel about this case

Especially this

Florida has laws that expressly allow anyone to use deadly force against another person if they feel threatened.

Does anyone dispute that this is exactly what the law allows?

Anybody that actually knows the law would dispute that.

How would they do that?

 

[Clifford]

The onion piece reflects exactly how I feel about this case

Especially this

Florida has laws that expressly allow anyone to use deadly force against another person if they feel threatened.

Does anyone dispute that this is exactly what the law allows?

Yes. "Feel threatened" and sitting on your chest hitting you in the face are pretty far apart.

Does the law stipulate that someone has to be sitting on your chest and hitting you in the face?

 

[GroveDiesel]

The onion piece reflects exactly how I feel about this case

Especially this

Florida has laws that expressly allow anyone to use deadly force against another person if they feel threatened.

Does anyone dispute that this is exactly what the law allows?

Anybody that actually knows the law would dispute that.

How would they do that?

By citing the law and discussing it exactly like several lawyers already did in this thread.

 

[GroveDiesel]

In fact, why don't you go find the exact statute and post it here (hint, it's already in this thread) so that we know we're discussing the same thing?

 

[renesauz]

What Juror B37 said in the CNN interview was pretty outrageous, IMO. She has so much sympathy for GZ it is baffles me.

When asked if she felt sorry for TM she answered that she felt sorry for both of them. ok... Remember one person is an adult who is a free man and the other is a minor and dead. Didn't even hint that TM has it worse than GZ. She said TM attacked GZ because he was angry and fed up with GZ (where is the evidence for that?). She stated GZ's narrative (the defendant!) as completely true - expressing no doubt whatsoever. She said she thinks GZ would have treated any other person of any race the same way. She even said she would have GZ on her neighborhood watch. wow

I haven't been on the side of the Sharptons of the world, but if that attitude doesn't drive home the fact that black life has less meaning then I don't know what does. It's so latently racist it's incredible. No way in hell she gives all of those answers if it was a white middle class 17yo. No damn way.

WOW. That minor flashed gang symbols and bragged about street-fighting, was suspended from school for thievery, and was 17 yo and over 150#.

I still find it ridiculous that so many can't even comprehend of a scenario where a kid like this wouldn't have attacked the "cracka" who had the audacity to try to follow him in the cracka's own neighborhood. It's almost obscene not to acknowledge this as a legitimate possibility given that all the evidence supports that story and NONE disputes it. INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY....you don't have to believe GZs tale...you have to PROVE it false.

It's not racism, it's common %#&*$ sense...find some.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

What Juror B37 said in the CNN interview was pretty outrageous, IMO. She has so much sympathy for GZ it is baffles me.

When asked if she felt sorry for TM she answered that she felt sorry for both of them. ok... Remember one person is an adult who is a free man and the other is a minor and dead. Didn't even hint that TM has it worse than GZ. She said TM attacked GZ because he was angry and fed up with GZ (where is the evidence for that?). She stated GZ's narrative (the defendant!) as completely true - expressing no doubt whatsoever. She said she thinks GZ would have treated any other person of any race the same way. She even said she would have GZ on her neighborhood watch. wow

I haven't been on the side of the Sharptons of the world, but if that attitude doesn't drive home the fact that black life has less meaning then I don't know what does. It's so latently racist it's incredible. No way in hell she gives all of those answers if it was a white middle class 17yo. No damn way.

this is what posted yesterday in this thread....''After watching that juror on CNN im convinced she swayed the 3 other jurors that thought zimmy was guilty,to go the other way.She comes off as a very strong personality ... shes married to an attorney and is privy to how the system works . 2 jurors thought manslaughter and 1 thought murder 2. I also think she knew a lot about the story before she was picked and had already made up her mind about what happened that night. Shes a gun owner and was very sympathetic to zimmy. Just my feeling.''

 

[larry_boy_44]

Who is arguing that the jury was racist?

Rachel Jeantel all but called them racist last night on CNN (saying they found Zimmerman not guilty because they were all white IS a racist comment).

More...

RACHEL JEANTEL, FRIEND OF TRAYVON: Well, the jury, they see their facts. My thoughts of the jury, they old, that's old school people. We in a new school, our generation, my generation. So --

PIERS MORGAN: Let's talk about 'creepy ### cracka.' People have said that that is a phrase used by black people, cracka, to describe a white person. Is that true?

JEANTEL: No! Like I said --

MORGAN: How do you spell it, first of all?

JEANTEL: Cracka.

MORGAN: There's no 'e-r,' right?

JEANTEL: No, it's an 'a' at the end.

MORGAN: C-r-a-c-k-a.

JEANTEL: Yeah. And that's a person who act like they're a police [officer], who, like a security guard who acting like -- that's what I said to them. Trayvon said creepy ### cracka.

MORGAN: It means he thought it was a police or a security guard?

JEANTEL: Yeah, he acting like the police. And then he keep telling me that the man is still watching him. So, if it was a security guard or a policeman, they would come up to Trayvon and say, 'Do you have a problem? Do you need help?' You know, like normal people.

So according to DiDi a Cracka is police or security guard, according to her, Martin thought Zimmerman was either a security guard or police, so that's why Martin decided to attack him?. This just goes to show Martin knew Zimmerman was snitching on him to police, he overheard enough of the conversation.

Or it means she is flat out lying again to try to cover the bad press she is getting for saying Cracka is not a racist term. I give up.

Urban Dictionary says she is lying... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cracka

not that Urban Dictionary is some beacon of truth of all things, but still.... To act like calling someone a "cracker" or "cracka" is somehow different than what it is is silly...

 

[timschochet]

Has Timsochets head exploded yet?

It's about to. Not because of the verdict but because of most of the pro-Zimmerman posts in this thread.

 

[drummer]

Has Timsochets head exploded yet?

It's about to. Not because of the verdict but because of most of the pro-Zimmerman posts in this thread.

I'm just glad you changed your avatar because you were making Keith Richards way uncool.

 

[The Commish]

EDIT: Anderson Cooper asks you if you'd have GZ on your neighborhood watch and you don't immediately say "No"? WTF is with that? Yes, please let's have the guy on our streets with a propensity to kill teenagers when he gets into trouble.

I'd like to have GZ on my neighborhood watch. Guy was on top of it. The woman who suffered the home invasion made him sound like a pretty good watch captain.

Really? The guy has made choices that help put him in life/death situations without any means to defend himself other than his gun (if we indeed believe he's an out of shape dough boy with no fighting skills). Why would you want him on your watch?