Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (2 Viewers)

[Dr Oadi]

The 6 decisions That Could Have Saved Trayvon Martin's LifeOk...which one of you wrote this filth?

If Martin hadn't walked back in the store after making his purchase Zimmerman may never have seen him. May this be a lesson to us all when shopping. Once you pay leave.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

I based my opinion that this wasn't anything to do about race on what is publicly known about GZ's life history. Can't believe Obama's remarks yesterday, just awful. But, I do feel GZ deserved to be convicted of manslaughter, but only If TM wasn't aware that GZ was carrying a firearm. I see no way TM would have gotten into a physical altercation with GZ if he knew that he had a gun. There is a big responsibility where you are carrying a concealed weapon and you have to do everything possible to avoid using it and if GZ didn't make TM aware, then he failed his responsibility in this case. GZ wasn't being robbed, he wasn't attacked in his car. It just really bothers me now, I didn't give it much thought before, that TM wasn't aware of the firearm. I haven't read or heard any evidence that stated he was knew that GZ had a gun. If TM was aware of the gun prior to getting into the physical altercation, then this wouldn't be manslaughter, in my opinion.

That logic is flawed, did you want GZ to draw his weapon as soon as he got out of his car? Or maybe you expected him to draw as soon as TM asked him if he has a problem? Both are pretty bad suggestions. If instead you think GZ should have announced he was armed I see that hindsight advice no different than people saying GZ should have announced he was neighborhood watch, TM never gave him the opportunity before sucker punching him.

Zimmerman's statement acknowledges there were words between them before the altercation started. I don't understand this.

Are you saying you can adequately defend yourself as you reach into your pocket for your phone and then look down when you realize there is no phone in your pocket? Don't be a fool, the fact that there are words exchanged does not negate the possibility of a sucker punch.

A punch that takes your enemy by suprise, possibly knocking them out.

Comes from them being a sucker for not having their guard up. Also known as a ##### move (rhymes with ditch).

I see you have acquired the move-the-goalpostitis like some others here. There are a ton of things that could have happened and we will never know. A sucker punch is certainly possible. Just as "reaching for his phone" could have been "reaching for his gun". My comment was specifically to your assertions #1. that it was for certain a sucker punch and #2. that there was no time for Zimmerman to have acted differently than he did.

Wow you are dense. You replied to my post confused that since there were words exchanged that you implied a sucker punch was not possible.

You got a problem #####?

I'M NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH!

I HAVE A GUN!

Yeah...right.

 

[Christo]

The 6 decisions That Could Have Saved Trayvon Martin's LifeOk...which one of you wrote this filth?

If Martin hadn't walked back in the store after making his purchase Zimmerman may never have seen him. May this be a lesson to us all when shopping. Once you pay leave.

If Martin hadn't been suspended from school he wouldn't have been killed that night.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

 

[Bonzai]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

Did you hear/read Obama's speech? I thought he laid out pretty clearly how this incident and its aftermath triggered a reaction from so many.

It seems that some want to argue that because GZ is not overtly racist (and we have good reasons to think that he isn't), then that means that race isn't a part of this whole saga. I just think that's really short sighted.

 

[Christo]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

Did you hear/read Obama's speech? I thought he laid out pretty clearly how this incident and its aftermath triggered a reaction from so many.

It seems that some want to argue that because GZ is not overtly racist (and we have good reasons to think that he isn't), then that means that race isn't a part of this whole saga. I just think that's really short sighted.

I saw how he pandered to prejudice.

 

[avoiding injuries]

The 6 decisions That Could Have Saved Trayvon Martin's LifeOk...which one of you wrote this filth?

If Martin hadn't walked back in the store after making his purchase Zimmerman may never have seen him. May this be a lesson to us all when shopping. Once you pay leave.

If Martin hadn't been suspended from school he wouldn't have been killed that night.

If his parents had stayed together, his dad wouldn't have been staying in GZ's neighborhood.

 

[timschochet]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

I'm not pushing the racism issue any longer. I am still pushing that GZ committed racial profiling, and that race is a central issue regarding this case. I continue to believe these are very reasonable assumptions, and despite your assertion I haven't seen any compelling evidence that argues against racial profiling. Even if GZ was not racial profiling, the perception that he was, especially among most African-Americans, is central to the national importance of this case, which is why no matter what it is STILL all about race. Furthermore, contrary to the arguments of several people here, that perception is based largely not on false reporting by the media nor on inflammatory statements by black leadership, but on a very real history of ibstitutionalized racism which all blacks are aware of and which, in terms of law enforcement and the judicial system continued into present day.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

The 6 decisions That Could Have Saved Trayvon Martin's LifeOk...which one of you wrote this filth?

If Martin hadn't walked back in the store after making his purchase Zimmerman may never have seen him. May this be a lesson to us all when shopping. Once you pay leave.

If Martin hadn't been suspended from school he wouldn't have been killed that night.

If his parents had stayed together, his dad wouldn't have been staying in GZ's neighborhood.

if he was never born then.......

 

[jonessed]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

Did you hear/read Obama's speech? I thought he laid out pretty clearly how this incident and its aftermath triggered a reaction from so many.

It seems that some want to argue that because GZ is not overtly racist (and we have good reasons to think that he isn't), then that means that race isn't a part of this whole saga. I just think that's really short sighted.

Overtly racist? There is no evidence that he is racist at all. In fact, the evidence all points to the exact opposite.People are obviously free to assume race-based motives regardless of evidence, but that's a conclusion based on emotion.

 

[timschochet]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

Did you hear/read Obama's speech? I thought he laid out pretty clearly how this incident and its aftermath triggered a reaction from so many.

It seems that some want to argue that because GZ is not overtly racist (and we have good reasons to think that he isn't), then that means that race isn't a part of this whole saga. I just think that's really short sighted.

I saw how he pandered to prejudice.

What specific prejudice are you referring to and in what manner did Obama pander to it?

 

[StrikeS2k]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

Did you hear/read Obama's speech? I thought he laid out pretty clearly how this incident and its aftermath triggered a reaction from so many.

It seems that some want to argue that because GZ is not overtly racist (and we have good reasons to think that he isn't), then that means that race isn't a part of this whole saga. I just think that's really short sighted.

What would have been more "far sighted" would have been if Obama had made a point that we can't just inject race every time a black kid dies from the hands of a non black. That we should withhold judgment until we have all the evidence. That this incident wouldn't have become a "saga" but for the rush to judgment that racism was involved in the case. You know, things that look forward instead of continuing the current path that AA's take every time there's some type of incident such as this.

 

[StrikeS2k]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

I'm not pushing the racism issue any longer. I am still pushing that GZ committed racial profiling, and that race is a central issue regarding this case. I continue to believe these are very reasonable assumptions, and despite your assertion I haven't seen any compelling evidence that argues against racial profiling.Even if GZ was not racial profiling, the perception that he was, especially among most African-Americans, is central to the national importance of this case, which is why no matter what it is STILL all about race. Furthermore, contrary to the arguments of several people here, that perception is based largely not on false reporting by the media nor on inflammatory statements by black leadership, but on a very real history of ibstitutionalized racism which all blacks are aware of and which, in terms of law enforcement and the judicial system continued into present day.

Do you have these two paragraphs configured as a macro on your computer or something?

 

[Christo]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

Did you hear/read Obama's speech? I thought he laid out pretty clearly how this incident and its aftermath triggered a reaction from so many.

It seems that some want to argue that because GZ is not overtly racist (and we have good reasons to think that he isn't), then that means that race isn't a part of this whole saga. I just think that's really short sighted.

I saw how he pandered to prejudice.

What specific prejudice are you referring to and in what manner did Obama pander to it?

I think it’s important to recognize that the African- American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that — that doesn’t go away.

I don’t want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African-American community interprets what happened one night in Florida. And it’s inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear.

The African-American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws, everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws. And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

 

[jon_mx]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

Did you hear/read Obama's speech? I thought he laid out pretty clearly how this incident and its aftermath triggered a reaction from so many.

It seems that some want to argue that because GZ is not overtly racist (and we have good reasons to think that he isn't), then that means that race isn't a part of this whole saga. I just think that's really short sighted.

I saw how he pandered to prejudice.

What specific prejudice are you referring to and in what manner did Obama pander to it?

He pandered by dishing the jury and implying their decision by these white women were wrong because of racism. He pandered by stating incorrectly that if the roles were reversed the outcome would have been different. He pandered by incorrectly talking about getting rid of SYG laws to prevent this type of incident in the future despite SYG having nothing to do with the outcome in this case. He pandered by saying Holder was still investigating despite knowing this had already been investigated and nothing came out of it.

 

[Joe McGee]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

Did you hear/read Obama's speech? I thought he laid out pretty clearly how this incident and its aftermath triggered a reaction from so many.

It seems that some want to argue that because GZ is not overtly racist (and we have good reasons to think that he isn't), then that means that race isn't a part of this whole saga. I just think that's really short sighted.

What would have been more "far sighted" would have been if Obama had made a point that we can't just inject race every time a black kid dies from the hands of a non black. That we should withhold judgment until we have all the evidence. That this incident wouldn't have become a "saga" but for the rush to judgment that racism was involved in the case. You know, things that look forward instead of continuing the current path that AA's take every time there's some type of incident such as this.

I always admired Rodney King for asking why everybody can't get along. Trayvon's parents have stooped to race-baiting and flat out lying about their son.

 

[Bonzai]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

Did you hear/read Obama's speech? I thought he laid out pretty clearly how this incident and its aftermath triggered a reaction from so many.

It seems that some want to argue that because GZ is not overtly racist (and we have good reasons to think that he isn't), then that means that race isn't a part of this whole saga. I just think that's really short sighted.

I saw how he pandered to prejudice.

What specific prejudice are you referring to and in what manner did Obama pander to it?

I think it’s important to recognize that the African- American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that — that doesn’t go away.

I don’t want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African-American community interprets what happened one night in Florida. And it’s inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear.

The African-American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws, everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws. And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

These comments are non-controversial to me. What exactly do you have a problem with here?

 

[squistion]

What specific prejudice are you referring to and in what manner did Obama pander to it?

He pandered by dishing the jury and implying their decision by these white women were wrong because of racism. He pandered by stating incorrectly that if the roles were reversed the outcome would have been different. He pandered by incorrectly talking about getting rid of SYG laws to prevent this type of incident in the future despite SYG having nothing to do with the outcome in this case. He pandered by saying Holder was still investigating despite knowing this had already been investigated and nothing came out of it.

He threw dishes at them?

 

[Dr Oadi]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

Did you hear/read Obama's speech? I thought he laid out pretty clearly how this incident and its aftermath triggered a reaction from so many.

It seems that some want to argue that because GZ is not overtly racist (and we have good reasons to think that he isn't), then that means that race isn't a part of this whole saga. I just think that's really short sighted.

I saw how he pandered to prejudice.

What specific prejudice are you referring to and in what manner did Obama pander to it?

I think it’s important to recognize that the African- American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that — that doesn’t go away.I don’t want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African-American community interprets what happened one night in Florida. And it’s inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear.

The African-American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws, everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws. And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

These comments are non-controversial to me. What exactly do you have a problem with here?

It's a black thing you wouldn't understand.

 

[Billy Bats]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

I'm not pushing the racism issue any longer. I am still pushing that GZ committed racial profiling, and that race is a central issue regarding this case. I continue to believe these are very reasonable assumptions, and despite your assertion I haven't seen any compelling evidence that argues against racial profiling. Even if GZ was not racial profiling, the perception that he was, especially among most African-Americans, is central to the national importance of this case, which is why no matter what it is STILL all about race. Furthermore, contrary to the arguments of several people here, that perception is based largely not on false reporting by the media nor on inflammatory statements by black leadership, but on a very real history of ibstitutionalized racism which all blacks are aware of and which, in terms of law enforcement and the judicial system continued into present day.

I've asked you this before and you have yet to answer, so ill try one more time. Do you not know the difference between racial profiling and criminal profiling? Considering the recent burglaries in the neighborhood, as neighborhood watch GZ was rightfully(IMO) suspicious of a teenager wandering through the neighborhood. Previous suspects in that neighborhood had fit the description of what TM was wearing and looked like. If it was a white kid walking his dog who was previously breaking into houses, then he would be rightfully suspicious of a white kid walking his dog.

And the institutionalized racism comes from the criminal history of the AA community. If they don't want be criminally profiled, then stop committing crimes and having the highest crime rate among races in America. As a white Italian-American, is this my fault?

 

[jon_mx]

What specific prejudice are you referring to and in what manner did Obama pander to it?

He pandered by dishing the jury and implying their decision by these white women were wrong because of racism. He pandered by stating incorrectly that if the roles were reversed the outcome would have been different. He pandered by incorrectly talking about getting rid of SYG laws to prevent this type of incident in the future despite SYG having nothing to do with the outcome in this case. He pandered by saying Holder was still investigating despite knowing this had already been investigated and nothing came out of it.

He threw dishes at them?

Yes.

 

[Christo]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

Did you hear/read Obama's speech? I thought he laid out pretty clearly how this incident and its aftermath triggered a reaction from so many.

It seems that some want to argue that because GZ is not overtly racist (and we have good reasons to think that he isn't), then that means that race isn't a part of this whole saga. I just think that's really short sighted.

I saw how he pandered to prejudice.

What specific prejudice are you referring to and in what manner did Obama pander to it?

I think it’s important to recognize that the African- American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that — that doesn’t go away.

I don’t want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African-American community interprets what happened one night in Florida. And it’s inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear.

The African-American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws, everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws. And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

These comments are non-controversial to me. What exactly do you have a problem with here?

He's telling them it's okay to see this situation through their skewed vision even though they have no clue what happened that night. They have no idea whether Zimmerman profiled Martin because he was black. He's telling them it's okay to assume the situation happened, and the verdict happened solely because Martin is black.

 

[timschochet]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

Did you hear/read Obama's speech? I thought he laid out pretty clearly how this incident and its aftermath triggered a reaction from so many.

It seems that some want to argue that because GZ is not overtly racist (and we have good reasons to think that he isn't), then that means that race isn't a part of this whole saga. I just think that's really short sighted.

I saw how he pandered to prejudice.

What specific prejudice are you referring to and in what manner did Obama pander to it?

I think its important to recognize that the African- American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that that doesnt go away.I dont want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African-American community interprets what happened one night in Florida. And its inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear.

The African-American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws, everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws. And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

Where is the prejudice here?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

I'm not pushing the racism issue any longer. I am still pushing that GZ committed racial profiling, and that race is a central issue regarding this case. I continue to believe these are very reasonable assumptions, and despite your assertion I haven't seen any compelling evidence that argues against racial profiling.Even if GZ was not racial profiling, the perception that he was, especially among most African-Americans, is central to the national importance of this case, which is why no matter what it is STILL all about race. Furthermore, contrary to the arguments of several people here, that perception is based largely not on false reporting by the media nor on inflammatory statements by black leadership, but on a very real history of ibstitutionalized racism which all blacks are aware of and which, in terms of law enforcement and the judicial system continued into present day.

That's the second time you've hit the 'b' there. I know it's next to the 'n', but I want to make sure you're not further moving the goalposts and talking about some kind of racism that no one else has ever heard of?

 

[timschochet]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

I'm not pushing the racism issue any longer. I am still pushing that GZ committed racial profiling, and that race is a central issue regarding this case. I continue to believe these are very reasonable assumptions, and despite your assertion I haven't seen any compelling evidence that argues against racial profiling. Even if GZ was not racial profiling, the perception that he was, especially among most African-Americans, is central to the national importance of this case, which is why no matter what it is STILL all about race. Furthermore, contrary to the arguments of several people here, that perception is based largely not on false reporting by the media nor on inflammatory statements by black leadership, but on a very real history of ibstitutionalized racism which all blacks are aware of and which, in terms of law enforcement and the judicial system continued into present day.

I've asked you this before and you have yet to answer, so ill try one more time. Do you not know the difference between racial profiling and criminal profiling? Considering the recent burglaries in the neighborhood, as neighborhood watch GZ was rightfully(IMO) suspicious of a teenager wandering through the neighborhood. Previous suspects in that neighborhood had fit the description of what TM was wearing and looked like. If it was a white kid walking his dog who was previously breaking into houses, then he would be rightfully suspicious of a white kid walking his dog. And the institutionalized racism comes from the criminal history of the AA community. If they don't want be criminally profiled, then stop committing crimes and having the highest crime rate among races in America. As a white Italian-American, is this my fault?

If you're going to argue that the racism comes from the criminal history of the AA community, then yes, it is in part your fault.

 

[timschochet]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

I'm not pushing the racism issue any longer. I am still pushing that GZ committed racial profiling, and that race is a central issue regarding this case. I continue to believe these are very reasonable assumptions, and despite your assertion I haven't seen any compelling evidence that argues against racial profiling.Even if GZ was not racial profiling, the perception that he was, especially among most African-Americans, is central to the national importance of this case, which is why no matter what it is STILL all about race. Furthermore, contrary to the arguments of several people here, that perception is based largely not on false reporting by the media nor on inflammatory statements by black leadership, but on a very real history of ibstitutionalized racism which all blacks are aware of and which, in terms of law enforcement and the judicial system continued into present day.

That's the second time you've hit the 'b' there. I know it's next to the 'n', but I want to make sure you're not further moving the goalposts and talking about some kind of racism that no one else has ever heard of?

IPhone and big thumbs

 

[Christo]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

Did you hear/read Obama's speech? I thought he laid out pretty clearly how this incident and its aftermath triggered a reaction from so many.

It seems that some want to argue that because GZ is not overtly racist (and we have good reasons to think that he isn't), then that means that race isn't a part of this whole saga. I just think that's really short sighted.

I saw how he pandered to prejudice.

What specific prejudice are you referring to and in what manner did Obama pander to it?

I think its important to recognize that the African- American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that that doesnt go away.I dont want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African-American community interprets what happened one night in Florida. And its inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear.

The African-American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws, everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws. And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

Where is the prejudice here?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

I'm not pushing the racism issue any longer. I am still pushing that GZ committed racial profiling, and that race is a central issue regarding this case. I continue to believe these are very reasonable assumptions, and despite your assertion I haven't seen any compelling evidence that argues against racial profiling.Even if GZ was not racial profiling, the perception that he was, especially among most African-Americans, is central to the national importance of this case, which is why no matter what it is STILL all about race. Furthermore, contrary to the arguments of several people here, that perception is based largely not on false reporting by the media nor on inflammatory statements by black leadership, but on a very real history of ibstitutionalized racism which all blacks are aware of and which, in terms of law enforcement and the judicial system continued into present day.

That's the second time you've hit the 'b' there. I know it's next to the 'n', but I want to make sure you're not further moving the goalposts and talking about some kind of racism that no one else has ever heard of?

IPhone and big thumbs

You know what big thumbs mean don't you?

Racist.

 

[timschochet]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

Did you hear/read Obama's speech? I thought he laid out pretty clearly how this incident and its aftermath triggered a reaction from so many.

It seems that some want to argue that because GZ is not overtly racist (and we have good reasons to think that he isn't), then that means that race isn't a part of this whole saga. I just think that's really short sighted.

I saw how he pandered to prejudice.

What specific prejudice are you referring to and in what manner did Obama pander to it?

I think its important to recognize that the African- American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that that doesnt go away.I dont want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African-American community interprets what happened one night in Florida. And its inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear.

The African-American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws, everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws. And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

Where is the prejudice here?

Really? It was a serious question. You wrote that Obama was pandering to prejudice, and then you offered this quote as your evidence. Please identify the prejudice part.

 

[RBM]

Even if GZ was not racial profiling, the perception that he was, especially among most African-Americans, is central to the national importance of this case, which is why no matter what it is STILL all about race. Furthermore, contrary to the arguments of several people here, that perception is based largely not on false reporting by the media nor on inflammatory statements by black leadership, but on a very real history of ibstitutionalized racism which all blacks are aware of and which, in terms of law enforcement and the judicial system continued into present day.

Bull####!! What planet are you on Tim? It absolutely is perceived that way by AAs because scum like Sharpton and Jackson and trash like MSNBC were pushing that angle from day 1. You think most of them are going to sit and rationally look at the facts? #### no! Much easier and more convenient to just go along with piece of #### Rev Al.I really cannot buy that you believe what you wrote. Preposterous!

 

[Christo]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

Did you hear/read Obama's speech? I thought he laid out pretty clearly how this incident and its aftermath triggered a reaction from so many.

It seems that some want to argue that because GZ is not overtly racist (and we have good reasons to think that he isn't), then that means that race isn't a part of this whole saga. I just think that's really short sighted.

I saw how he pandered to prejudice.

What specific prejudice are you referring to and in what manner did Obama pander to it?

I think its important to recognize that the African- American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that that doesnt go away.I dont want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African-American community interprets what happened one night in Florida. And its inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear.

The African-American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws, everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws. And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

Where is the prejudice here?

Really? It was a serious question. You wrote that Obama was pandering to prejudice, and then you offered this quote as your evidence. Please identify the prejudice part.

 

[timschochet]

Even if GZ was not racial profiling, the perception that he was, especially among most African-Americans, is central to the national importance of this case, which is why no matter what it is STILL all about race. Furthermore, contrary to the arguments of several people here, that perception is based largely not on false reporting by the media nor on inflammatory statements by black leadership, but on a very real history of ibstitutionalized racism which all blacks are aware of and which, in terms of law enforcement and the judicial system continued into present day.

Bull####!! What planet are you on Tim? It absolutely is perceived that way by AAs because scum like Sharpton and Jackson and trash like MSNBC were pushing that angle from day 1. You think most of them are going to sit and rationally look at the facts? #### no! Much easier and more convenient to just go along with piece of #### Rev Al.I really cannot buy that you believe what you wrote. Preposterous!

No. Love you RBM but you're wrong. I can't stand Sharpton but this goes way deeper than him. If the history of racism wasn't there, if racism wasn't something that black males go through every day of their lives, then all of Sharptons rants would fall on deaf ears.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Even if GZ was not racial profiling, the perception that he was, especially among most African-Americans, is central to the national importance of this case, which is why no matter what it is STILL all about race. Furthermore, contrary to the arguments of several people here, that perception is based largely not on false reporting by the media nor on inflammatory statements by black leadership, but on a very real history of ibstitutionalized racism which all blacks are aware of and which, in terms of law enforcement and the judicial system continued into present day.

Bull####!! What planet are you on Tim? It absolutely is perceived that way by AAs because scum like Sharpton and Jackson and trash like MSNBC were pushing that angle from day 1. You think most of them are going to sit and rationally look at the facts? #### no! Much easier and more convenient to just go along with piece of #### Rev Al.I really cannot buy that you believe what you wrote. Preposterous!

No. Love you RBM but you're wrong. I can't stand Sharpton but this goes way deeper than him. If the history of racism wasn't there, if racism wasn't something that black males go through every day of their lives, then all of Sharptons rants would fall on deaf ears.

 

[Bonzai]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

Did you hear/read Obama's speech? I thought he laid out pretty clearly how this incident and its aftermath triggered a reaction from so many.

It seems that some want to argue that because GZ is not overtly racist (and we have good reasons to think that he isn't), then that means that race isn't a part of this whole saga. I just think that's really short sighted.

I saw how he pandered to prejudice.

What specific prejudice are you referring to and in what manner did Obama pander to it?

I think it’s important to recognize that the African- American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that — that doesn’t go away.I don’t want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African-American community interprets what happened one night in Florida. And it’s inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear.

The African-American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws, everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws. And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

These comments are non-controversial to me. What exactly do you have a problem with here?

He's telling them it's okay to see this situation through their skewed vision even though they have no clue what happened that night. They have no idea whether Zimmerman profiled Martin because he was black. He's telling them it's okay to assume the situation happened, and the verdict happened solely because Martin is black.

I took it more as his attempt to validate how reasonable it is for people to appraise events based on their personal experiences and/or cultural history.

 

[Joe McGee]

Even if GZ was not racial profiling, the perception that he was, especially among most African-Americans, is central to the national importance of this case, which is why no matter what it is STILL all about race. Furthermore, contrary to the arguments of several people here, that perception is based largely not on false reporting by the media nor on inflammatory statements by black leadership, but on a very real history of ibstitutionalized racism which all blacks are aware of and which, in terms of law enforcement and the judicial system continued into present day.

Bull####!! What planet are you on Tim? It absolutely is perceived that way by AAs because scum like Sharpton and Jackson and trash like MSNBC were pushing that angle from day 1. You think most of them are going to sit and rationally look at the facts? #### no! Much easier and more convenient to just go along with piece of #### Rev Al.I really cannot buy that you believe what you wrote. Preposterous!

No. Love you RBM but you're wrong. I can't stand Sharpton but this goes way deeper than him. If the history of racism wasn't there, if racism wasn't something that black males go through every day of their lives, then all of Sharptons rants would fall on deaf ears.

Because people love to take responsibility for their own actions n this country.

 

[Christo]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

Did you hear/read Obama's speech? I thought he laid out pretty clearly how this incident and its aftermath triggered a reaction from so many.

It seems that some want to argue that because GZ is not overtly racist (and we have good reasons to think that he isn't), then that means that race isn't a part of this whole saga. I just think that's really short sighted.

I saw how he pandered to prejudice.

What specific prejudice are you referring to and in what manner did Obama pander to it?

I think it’s important to recognize that the African- American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that — that doesn’t go away.I don’t want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African-American community interprets what happened one night in Florida. And it’s inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear.

The African-American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws, everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws. And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

These comments are non-controversial to me. What exactly do you have a problem with here?

He's telling them it's okay to see this situation through their skewed vision even though they have no clue what happened that night. They have no idea whether Zimmerman profiled Martin because he was black. He's telling them it's okay to assume the situation happened, and the verdict happened solely because Martin is black.

I took it more as his attempt to validate how reasonable it is for people to appraise events based on their personal experiences and/or cultural history.

You and tim might want to look up the definition of "prejudice" and then read what I've written.

 

[timschochet]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

Did you hear/read Obama's speech? I thought he laid out pretty clearly how this incident and its aftermath triggered a reaction from so many.

It seems that some want to argue that because GZ is not overtly racist (and we have good reasons to think that he isn't), then that means that race isn't a part of this whole saga. I just think that's really short sighted.

I saw how he pandered to prejudice.

What specific prejudice are you referring to and in what manner did Obama pander to it?

I think it’s important to recognize that the African- American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that — that doesn’t go away.I don’t want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African-American community interprets what happened one night in Florida. And it’s inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear.

The African-American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws, everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws. And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

These comments are non-controversial to me. What exactly do you have a problem with here?

He's telling them it's okay to see this situation through their skewed vision even though they have no clue what happened that night. They have no idea whether Zimmerman profiled Martin because he was black. He's telling them it's okay to assume the situation happened, and the verdict happened solely because Martin is black.

I took it more as his attempt to validate how reasonable it is for people to appraise events based on their personal experiences and/or cultural history.

This is exactly right. And not only that, he's doing the opposite of what Christo is claiming here. He's letting the black community know, albeit gently, that their perceptions about this case may be skewed and not quite truthful based on their experiences rather than the specific case. It is NOT a justifcation of that attitude, it's an attempt to explain it. It's quite brilliant, actually.

 

[timschochet]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

Did you hear/read Obama's speech? I thought he laid out pretty clearly how this incident and its aftermath triggered a reaction from so many.

It seems that some want to argue that because GZ is not overtly racist (and we have good reasons to think that he isn't), then that means that race isn't a part of this whole saga. I just think that's really short sighted.

I saw how he pandered to prejudice.

What specific prejudice are you referring to and in what manner did Obama pander to it?

I think it’s important to recognize that the African- American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that — that doesn’t go away.I don’t want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African-American community interprets what happened one night in Florida. And it’s inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear.

The African-American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws, everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws. And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

These comments are non-controversial to me. What exactly do you have a problem with here?

He's telling them it's okay to see this situation through their skewed vision even though they have no clue what happened that night. They have no idea whether Zimmerman profiled Martin because he was black. He's telling them it's okay to assume the situation happened, and the verdict happened solely because Martin is black.

I took it more as his attempt to validate how reasonable it is for people to appraise events based on their personal experiences and/or cultural history.

You and tim might want to look up the definition of "prejudice" and then read what I've written.

You might want to look up the definitions of "condescending" and "patronizing" and then read what you've written, not just in the above post, but for years.

 

[timschochet]

Even if GZ was not racial profiling, the perception that he was, especially among most African-Americans, is central to the national importance of this case, which is why no matter what it is STILL all about race. Furthermore, contrary to the arguments of several people here, that perception is based largely not on false reporting by the media nor on inflammatory statements by black leadership, but on a very real history of ibstitutionalized racism which all blacks are aware of and which, in terms of law enforcement and the judicial system continued into present day.

Bull####!! What planet are you on Tim? It absolutely is perceived that way by AAs because scum like Sharpton and Jackson and trash like MSNBC were pushing that angle from day 1. You think most of them are going to sit and rationally look at the facts? #### no! Much easier and more convenient to just go along with piece of #### Rev Al.I really cannot buy that you believe what you wrote. Preposterous!

No. Love you RBM but you're wrong. I can't stand Sharpton but this goes way deeper than him. If the history of racism wasn't there, if racism wasn't something that black males go through every day of their lives, then all of Sharptons rants would fall on deaf ears.

Because people love to take responsibility for their own actions n this country.

In your attempt to provide a snide rebuttal of my comments, you have hit IMO on one of the main reasons why people look at this affair very differently depending on who you are.

Like you, I was raised to believe that personal responsibilty is the key to success and also morally correct. As a nation we cherish individual freedom, and rightfully so. But also like you (assuming you are not black), I was never subjected to a history of prejudice. I never had to look over my shoulder in a department store, with people watching me to make sure I wasn't up to no good. I wasn't raised in a culture that faced generations of persecution and discrimination (not in this country, anyhow). Had I been, my concepts of personal responsibility would likely be very different than they are now.

 

[Joe McGee]

No. Love you RBM but you're wrong. I can't stand Sharpton but this goes way deeper than him. If the history of racism wasn't there, if racism wasn't something that black males go through every day of their lives, then all of Sharptons rants would fall on deaf ears.

Because people love to take responsibility for their own actions n this country.

In your attempt to provide a snide rebuttal of my comments, you have hit IMO on one of the main reasons why people look at this affair very differently depending on who you are.

Like you, I was raised to believe that personal responsibilty is the key to success and also morally correct. As a nation we cherish individual freedom, and rightfully so. But also like you (assuming you are not black), I was never subjected to a history of prejudice. I never had to look over my shoulder in a department store, with people watching me to make sure I wasn't up to no good. I wasn't raised in a culture that faced generations of persecution and discrimination (not in this country, anyhow). Had I been, my concepts of personal responsibility would likely be very different than they are now.

Like you, I was raised to believe that personal responsibility is the key to success and also morally correct. As a nation we cherish individual freedom, and rightfully so. But also like you (assuming you are not black), I was never subjected to a history of prejudice. I never had to look over my shoulder in a department store, with people watching me to make sure I wasn't up to no good. I wasn't raised in a culture that faced generations of persecution and discrimination (not in this country, anyhow) government handouts and entitlements to such a large extent that many African American have never had to take any responsibility for their lives because Democrats will always give them free stuff and make excuses for them in an effort to buy votes. Had I been, my concepts of personal responsibility would likely be very different than they are now.

Fixed. I am white and I have been followed and profiled many times in my life for being white, being young, wearing young clothes, etc. I didn't like it but I didn't freak out about it.

 

[Kevrunner]

I based my opinion that this wasn't anything to do about race on what is publicly known about GZ's life history. Can't believe Obama's remarks yesterday, just awful. But, I do feel GZ deserved to be convicted of manslaughter, but only If TM wasn't aware that GZ was carrying a firearm. I see no way TM would have gotten into a physical altercation with GZ if he knew that he had a gun. There is a big responsibility where you are carrying a concealed weapon and you have to do everything possible to avoid using it and if GZ didn't make TM aware, then he failed his responsibility in this case. GZ wasn't being robbed, he wasn't attacked in his car. It just really bothers me now, I didn't give it much thought before, that TM wasn't aware of the firearm. I haven't read or heard any evidence that stated he was knew that GZ had a gun. If TM was aware of the gun prior to getting into the physical altercation, then this wouldn't be manslaughter, in my opinion.

How about not getting into altercations with people, whether or not you think they have a gun?

That would be the best decision.

 

[Christo]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

Did you hear/read Obama's speech? I thought he laid out pretty clearly how this incident and its aftermath triggered a reaction from so many.

It seems that some want to argue that because GZ is not overtly racist (and we have good reasons to think that he isn't), then that means that race isn't a part of this whole saga. I just think that's really short sighted.

I saw how he pandered to prejudice.

What specific prejudice are you referring to and in what manner did Obama pander to it?

I think it’s important to recognize that the African- American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that — that doesn’t go away.I don’t want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African-American community interprets what happened one night in Florida. And it’s inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear.

The African-American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws, everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws. And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

These comments are non-controversial to me. What exactly do you have a problem with here?

He's telling them it's okay to see this situation through their skewed vision even though they have no clue what happened that night. They have no idea whether Zimmerman profiled Martin because he was black. He's telling them it's okay to assume the situation happened, and the verdict happened solely because Martin is black.

I took it more as his attempt to validate how reasonable it is for people to appraise events based on their personal experiences and/or cultural history.

This is exactly right. And not only that, he's doing the opposite of what Christo is claiming here. He's letting the black community know, albeit gently, that their perceptions about this case may be skewed and not quite truthful based on their experiences rather than the specific case. It is NOT a justifcation of that attitude, it's an attempt to explain it. It's quite brilliant, actually.

HFS

 

[Christo]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

Did you hear/read Obama's speech? I thought he laid out pretty clearly how this incident and its aftermath triggered a reaction from so many.

It seems that some want to argue that because GZ is not overtly racist (and we have good reasons to think that he isn't), then that means that race isn't a part of this whole saga. I just think that's really short sighted.

I saw how he pandered to prejudice.

What specific prejudice are you referring to and in what manner did Obama pander to it?

I think it’s important to recognize that the African- American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that — that doesn’t go away.I don’t want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African-American community interprets what happened one night in Florida. And it’s inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear.

The African-American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws, everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws. And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

These comments are non-controversial to me. What exactly do you have a problem with here?

He's telling them it's okay to see this situation through their skewed vision even though they have no clue what happened that night. They have no idea whether Zimmerman profiled Martin because he was black. He's telling them it's okay to assume the situation happened, and the verdict happened solely because Martin is black.

I took it more as his attempt to validate how reasonable it is for people to appraise events based on their personal experiences and/or cultural history.

You and tim might want to look up the definition of "prejudice" and then read what I've written.

You might want to look up the definitions of "condescending" and "patronizing" and then read what you've written, not just in the above post, but for years.

 

[timschochet]

No. Love you RBM but you're wrong. I can't stand Sharpton but this goes way deeper than him. If the history of racism wasn't there, if racism wasn't something that black males go through every day of their lives, then all of Sharptons rants would fall on deaf ears.

Because people love to take responsibility for their own actions n this country.

In your attempt to provide a snide rebuttal of my comments, you have hit IMO on one of the main reasons why people look at this affair very differently depending on who you are.

Like you, I was raised to believe that personal responsibilty is the key to success and also morally correct. As a nation we cherish individual freedom, and rightfully so. But also like you (assuming you are not black), I was never subjected to a history of prejudice. I never had to look over my shoulder in a department store, with people watching me to make sure I wasn't up to no good. I wasn't raised in a culture that faced generations of persecution and discrimination (not in this country, anyhow). Had I been, my concepts of personal responsibility would likely be very different than they are now.

Like you, I was raised to believe that personal responsibility is the key to success and also morally correct. As a nation we cherish individual freedom, and rightfully so. But also like you (assuming you are not black), I was never subjected to a history of prejudice. I never had to look over my shoulder in a department store, with people watching me to make sure I wasn't up to no good. I wasn't raised in a culture that faced generations of persecution and discrimination (not in this country, anyhow) government handouts and entitlements to such a large extent that many African American have never had to take any responsibility for their lives because Democrats will always give them free stuff and make excuses for them in an effort to buy votes. Had I been, my concepts of personal responsibility would likely be very different than they are now.

Fixed. I am white and I have been followed and profiled many times in my life for being white, being young, wearing young clothes, etc. I didn't like it but I didn't freak out about it.

There's lots of people who feel the way you do. Most conservatives agree with you (which is one major difference I have with conservatives, despite agreeing with them on a variety of economic issues.)

But I think you are wrong. I think you are wrong in your perception of how much African-Americans are dependent on government handouts, (as compared to whites in red states) and I think you are EXTREMELY wrong to compare any of your experiences as a white American to African-Americans. And I will continue to fight against your POV on this matter.

 

[Joe McGee]

Go rent When the Levees Broke and compare the attitudes of people in New Orleans to those in states that have had zero looting and haven't blamed the government for them not leaving. Then sleep on it and post your retraction. Thanks.

 

[parasaurolophus]

I based my opinion that this wasn't anything to do about race on what is publicly known about GZ's life history. Can't believe Obama's remarks yesterday, just awful. But, I do feel GZ deserved to be convicted of manslaughter, but only If TM wasn't aware that GZ was carrying a firearm. I see no way TM would have gotten into a physical altercation with GZ if he knew that he had a gun. There is a big responsibility where you are carrying a concealed weapon and you have to do everything possible to avoid using it and if GZ didn't make TM aware, then he failed his responsibility in this case. GZ wasn't being robbed, he wasn't attacked in his car. It just really bothers me now, I didn't give it much thought before, that TM wasn't aware of the firearm. I haven't read or heard any evidence that stated he was knew that GZ had a gun. If TM was aware of the gun prior to getting into the physical altercation, then this wouldn't be manslaughter, in my opinion.

How about not getting into altercations with people, whether or not you think they have a gun?

That would be the best decision.

That isn't fair. When whitey looks at you differently, it is only fair that you can beat him up.

 

[Politician Spock]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

I'm not pushing the racism issue any longer. I am still pushing that GZ committed racial profiling, and that race is a central issue regarding this case. I continue to believe these are very reasonable assumptions, and despite your assertion I haven't seen any compelling evidence that argues against racial profiling. Even if GZ was not racial profiling, the perception that he was, especially among most African-Americans, is central to the national importance of this case, which is why no matter what it is STILL all about race. Furthermore, contrary to the arguments of several people here, that perception is based largely not on false reporting by the media nor on inflammatory statements by black leadership, but on a very real history of ibstitutionalized racism which all blacks are aware of and which, in terms of law enforcement and the judicial system continued into present day.

When people's assumptions are wrong, they need to be told that they are wrong. Not that they are valid.

 

[timschochet]

Go rent When the Levees Broke and compare the attitudes of people in New Orleans to those in states that have had zero looting and haven't blamed the government for them not leaving. Then sleep on it and post your retraction. Thanks.

I don't think that your reaction is what Spike Lee wanted.

For a better analogy that ties into the Zimmerman-Martin affair, I would recommend people here read A Passage to India, by E.M. Forster. A white woman accuses an Indian man of rape during the height of the British Raj. Nobody knows exactly what happened, but what you believe depends much more on who you are than the facts. Written nearly 100 years ago, it's still among the most perceptive books ever when it comes to race relations and how each side begins with their own preconceptions.

 

[timschochet]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

I'm not pushing the racism issue any longer. I am still pushing that GZ committed racial profiling, and that race is a central issue regarding this case. I continue to believe these are very reasonable assumptions, and despite your assertion I haven't seen any compelling evidence that argues against racial profiling.Even if GZ was not racial profiling, the perception that he was, especially among most African-Americans, is central to the national importance of this case, which is why no matter what it is STILL all about race. Furthermore, contrary to the arguments of several people here, that perception is based largely not on false reporting by the media nor on inflammatory statements by black leadership, but on a very real history of ibstitutionalized racism which all blacks are aware of and which, in terms of law enforcement and the judicial system continued into present day.

When people's assumptions are wrong, they need to be told that they are wrong. Not that they are valid.

Link to when a politician or public speaker has EVER told the public they are wrong?

 

[Christo]

I can't believe people are still pushing the racism / racial profiling issue with no evidence to support that narrative and lots of evidence contrary to it. I mean yeah I believe it because this is Tim and the FFA but still.

I'm not pushing the racism issue any longer. I am still pushing that GZ committed racial profiling, and that race is a central issue regarding this case. I continue to believe these are very reasonable assumptions, and despite your assertion I haven't seen any compelling evidence that argues against racial profiling.Even if GZ was not racial profiling, the perception that he was, especially among most African-Americans, is central to the national importance of this case, which is why no matter what it is STILL all about race. Furthermore, contrary to the arguments of several people here, that perception is based largely not on false reporting by the media nor on inflammatory statements by black leadership, but on a very real history of ibstitutionalized racism which all blacks are aware of and which, in terms of law enforcement and the judicial system continued into present day.

When people's assumptions are wrong, they need to be told that they are wrong. Not that they are valid.

Didn't you hear tim??????? The black community was supposed to understand that when Obama said that it was important for everyone to recognize where the reaction of the black community was coming from he was actually telling the black community they weren't being truthful.

BRILLIANT!